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[RADIO] no/bad radio signal aaaargh

the problem i have, is that my phone loses signal every once in a while. I get between 4 and 0 signal bars, changing all the time, while I sit still in the living room So often I have no reception for text messages or calls.
it seems that winmo uses so much CPU power for certain background tasks, that the signal quality suffers, or even loses signal. When starting a call, or sending an sms, the signal bars drop like led.
what can I can do? getting desperate here... I even tried holding the phone upside down, thus not touching the antenna. Pharaday effect is known, but phone quality is only marginally better outside. Tried all radios on the forum, and several different flavours ROM, including a stock one
is there a software tool, that displays exact radio signal strength, instead of the bars on top?

dXsL said:
the problem i have, is that my phone loses signal every once in a while. I get between 4 and 0 signal bars, changing all the time, while I sit still in the living room So often I have no reception for text messages or calls.
it seems that winmo uses so much CPU power for certain background tasks, that the signal quality suffers, or even loses signal. When starting a call, or sending an sms, the signal bars drop like led.
what can I can do? getting desperate here... I even tried holding the phone upside down, thus not touching the antenna. Pharaday effect is known, but phone quality is only marginally better outside. Tried all radios on the forum, and several different flavours ROM, including a stock one
is there a software tool, that displays exact radio signal strength, instead of the bars on top?
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i have very bad signal if i sit or stand under or next to METAL roof around my house, but i have a very good signal outside my house. Sometimes i am not able to receive a call when making a call from home phone. Since you have all radios in here, i don't know which radio to suggest. FYI, I am using 2.08.50.08_2 radio and it gives me better signal.

waichai said:
i have very bad signal if i sit or stand under or next to METAL roof around my house, but i have a very good signal outside my house. Sometimes i am not able to receive a call when making a call from home phone. Since you have all radios in here, i don't know which radio to suggest. FYI, I am using 2.08.50.08_2 radio and it gives me better signal.
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that's Pharaday's Cage effect. that is not what I have. HD2 cpu power is having an effect on the radio signal strength (bg processes probably)

If other people with non-HD2 phones have the same problems, the problem may not be your HD2, but consider you have weak signal strength from your provider. This happened in my previous appartment where I had to stay in the kitchen if I wanted to make a phone call.
What radio ROM do you use ? I had some problems too in the past. Now with radio ROM 2.10.50.26 I don't have these problems anymore.
But in the meanwhile I never went back to a stock ROM either so my next question is : what ROM do you use ? I don't have any of these problems with Laurentius26 or CleanEX ROMs since I use the 2.10.50.26 radio ROM.

Trudi said:
What radio ROM do you use ? I had some problems too in the past. Now with radio ROM 2.10.50.26 I don't have these problems anymore.
But in the meanwhile I never went back to a stock ROM either so my next question is : what ROM do you use ? I don't have any of these problems with Laurentius26 or CleanEX ROMs since I use the 2.10.50.26 radio ROM.
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hej, 2.10.50.26 was the last one I used, when i decided to go "back" to the official ROM in Denmark and that one came with radio 2.06.51.07.
I used primarily Miri's ROM, but I switched to Artemis (did of course a task29 after the stock ROM); Artemis tests on radio 2.06 instead of 2.10. My theory was/is that a windows ROM should fit with radio ROM. But so far, not noticeably better.
REQ: still looking for a tool that monitors (and logs?) signal strength, so I do some tests. anyone?

I just found this post by tokolosh in an EnergROM thead
Q: Which is the best Radio to use with EnergyRoms ...... ?
A: There is no "Best" Radio, they seem to be Location and Preference dependant. Some have better Recetion but poor battery life and vicaversa. Try out the "big 4" to see which works best for you (2.(07/08/09/10).50.xx_xx) just make sure it is a 50 and not a 51 version --> example 2.07.50.xx is good but 2.07.51.xx is not
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Anyone smarter than me who can explain WHY the 51 is not good? (googled for answer but no luck...)

[Q] So what is currently the most stable setup for android on HD2?

So about 1-2 months ago, I switched to Android on my HD2, but this wasn't a very good rom. Whenever I turned the screen off, it would only light up black (wtf). It stated the battery was empty all the time. And when I had to restart my phone, and tried booting into android again, it would either freeze on the bootscreen, or it would be the darkest screen ever. Sometimes both.
So I ask; What is the most stable setup to date, for HD2?

I would also like to know which is the most stable Android build to-date (i am not bothered with the HTC Sense layar).

I agree ^^
Right now I'm using mdeejays evo sense 2.3 revolution and upgraded the kernel with Hastarin R8 and it is very stable!!
Its gonna depend on many factors such as what WM rom you're running and what radio as well. I would recommend you get chuckdroid WM rom, a good recent radio, and either evo sense 2.3 or Bangsters 1.5 (if you dont want sense) Ive had good results with both.

Latest Energy WinMo ROM, 2.12 radio, the Android build linked below.
Works fantastic, all day, every day. CM6 mod. MDPI/HDPI hybrid too
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=769026

MichaelVS said:
So about 1-2 months ago, I switched to Android on my HD2, but this wasn't a very good rom. Whenever I turned the screen off, it would only light up black (wtf). It stated the battery was empty all the time. And when I had to restart my phone, and tried booting into android again, it would either freeze on the bootscreen, or it would be the darkest screen ever. Sometimes both.
So I ask; What is the most stable setup to date, for HD2?
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I like my setup (in my sig). There's a new skinnyEVO v1.5, and since I haven't tried it, I can't speak of its stability.
The issue you'll encounter in most Android builds is data dropping, which is caused by using PPP (not RMNET) connection. This can be 'fixed' by turning on/off airplane mode.

+1 for Mdeejay builds
just loaded Mdeejay eVo Sense v. 1.1 Matted this morning, so far v smooth, battery 5mA in standby, camera with flash working, no probs so far.
deff' the best of the 3 android builds ive tried
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=797357

For the one who said that it depends on many factors, here is my current specifications;
OS-Version
5.2.21869 (21869.5.0.82)
Manila-Version
2.5.19211619.0
ROM-Version
1.66.409.1 (76641) NOR
ROM-Date
01/12/10
Radioversion
2.12.50.02_2
Protokollversion:
15.40.50.07U
What kind of setup would be best for my specs?

sumflipnol said:
I like my setup (in my sig). There's a new skinnyEVO v1.5, and since I haven't tried it, I can't speak of its stability.
The issue you'll encounter in most Android builds is data dropping, which is caused by using PPP (not RMNET) connection. This can be 'fixed' by turning on/off airplane mode.
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I'm on O2 in the UK. Using the latest Sense version of the PhireMOD Skinny EVO (v1.5) with 2.15 radio and the latest Chucky ROM 23139 ~ 3.14. Rock solid stability and very smooth and fast. I get an occasional data drop but that's the same with every PPP build. Battery life with light usage is approx 2 days.
Just upgraded to V8 kernal and it's smoother than ever. Best andriod build i've used - apart from the data drops (which is not the fault of the build) it's pretty much perfect for me. The key is to get the right combination of radio/wmrom/andriod. Unfortunately it seems to be different for different people so just a case of trial and error until you find the right combo. In my case the switch to 2.15 radio solved a lot of issues.

energy and skinnyEVO v1.5 with latest kernell update is the best setup you can get.... after a long search i foud this one to be the best..... oh radio 2.12.50.xxxx great battery life..... >

energy rom and mdeej's Revolution is by far the best sense build to date and there is a new radio for those of you that dont know yet 2.15

There is no guaranteed catch all perfect setup. what may run perfectly fine for me may run absolutely horrible for you. Different strokes for different folks.
Factors you have to consider:
SD Card (class, size, whether is SDHC or not, how it is formatted, cluster size)
Battery calibration (does your battery last a long time in WinMo?)
Your own knowledge (if you cannot be bothered to search for any simple problems then you WILL get frustrated trying to run Android)
the best way you can find out the best setup for you is trial and error.

dazzyb2k3 said:
I'm on O2 in the UK. Using the latest Sense version of the PhireMOD Skinny EVO (v1.5) with 2.15 radio and the latest Chucky ROM 23139 ~ 3.14. Rock solid stability and very smooth and fast. I get an occasional data drop but that's the same with every PPP build. Battery life with light usage is approx 2 days.
Just upgraded to V8 kernal and it's smoother than ever. Best andriod build i've used - apart from the data drops (which is not the fault of the build) it's pretty much perfect for me. The key is to get the right combination of radio/wmrom/andriod. Unfortunately it seems to be different for different people so just a case of trial and error until you find the right combo. In my case the switch to 2.15 radio solved a lot of issues.
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Sorry for the noob question, but can somebody describe data dropping to me?
I got a HD2 from work on the weekend, so the first thing I did was install android
I installed: Radio_2_14_50_04, and FroyoStone_Sense_V3.2. This combo is working fine and seems stable.
The problem I had yesterday was that I could not access the internet although I had a strong 3g or H signal. The problem would suddenly disappear and access would be fine for a few minutes and then no access again. Access seems more consistant today.
Battery life seems a problem too, it was fully charged at 7am this morning and was down to 5% by 5pm, that was with mild usage apart from about an hour mp3 and 30 min gps.
Any of this sound normal for android on a HD2?

MichaelVS said:
So about 1-2 months ago, I switched to Android on my HD2, but this wasn't a very good rom. Whenever I turned the screen off, it would only light up black (wtf). It stated the battery was empty all the time. And when I had to restart my phone, and tried booting into android again, it would either freeze on the bootscreen, or it would be the darkest screen ever. Sometimes both.
So I ask; What is the most stable setup to date, for HD2?
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MichaelVS said:
[Q] So what is currently the most stable setup for android on HD2?
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is the one you really like, the one that appeals to your needs and whims the most
so try them builds around and share your ideas and experience with each of them

tonyh0905 said:
Sorry for the noob question, but can somebody describe data dropping to me?
I got a HD2 from work on the weekend, so the first thing I did was install android
I installed: Radio_2_14_50_04, and FroyoStone_Sense_V3.2. This combo is working fine and seems stable.
The problem I had yesterday was that I could not access the internet although I had a strong 3g or H signal. The problem would suddenly disappear and access would be fine for a few minutes and then no access again. Access seems more consistant today.
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there is a VERY BIG discussion on a lot of threads about data drops, search for them. that is one nagging PITA at the moment for Android. switching airplane
mode on and off always worked for me though, also need to have the correct
APN setting for your network
tonyh0905 said:
Battery life seems a problem too, it was fully charged at 7am this morning and was down to 5% by 5pm, that was with mild usage apart from about an hour mp3 and 30 min gps.
Any of this sound normal for android on a HD2?
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reboot Android at least three times and the battery usage will improve drastically
my juice lasts a full day of moderate to heavy usage.

jigners said:
there is a VERY BIG discussion on a lot of threads about data drops, search for them. that is one nagging PITA at the moment for Android. switching airplane
mode on and off always worked for me though, also need to have the correct
APN setting for your network
reboot Android at least three times and the battery usage will improve drastically
my juice lasts a full day of moderate to heavy usage.
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Thanks for the info...the airplane mode trick worked a treat
When you say reboot android 3 times, do you mean reset the whole device, or is there a way to shut down and restart the android os?
Cheers
Tony

I use:
VBN reloaded 2 minimal ROM
mdeejay revolution 2.0
radio 2.12.50.
One time deals:
i) turn off auto backlight in winmo
ii) do a g-sensor calib in winmo
Make sure you :
i) Load android using EBL *as soon as you possibly can*
ii) press the back button when its loading HaRET
and you are all set !!!
z

[Q] Andrid stabilaty on HD2 leo (us)

/Hi im still new o XDA everyone here are great so far. I have searched for a stable andriod rom see lots of them I was wanting to know to from you guys wich is the most stable to use and easiet to install . Thanks ahead of time for your great knowledge

They are all about the same as far as installing is concerned. Extract, copy to SD card and run. And which build is better is subjective...some are better then others, but there is no "best" one, only the one that works best for you.

I tested a bunch and the most stable and best one I've used is the bluetopia v 1. 0. 3,great Rom and use hastarin 8. 4 kernel, very few if ever any data drops and great camera

Depends on which phone you have - the TMobile US version with the latest ROM has a few issues with voice quality and data. So far I've found MDJ Froyo Sense CLEAN to work the best. Calls are very clear and speed is pretty amazing for running off the SD card. Battery life is pretty decent and data drops are pretty rare. I will say that the phone signal is a little weaker than the WINMO stock rom but I still get 3G/Edge speeds. Haven't fully tested everything but it works pretty well. Can't wait for the native port to work - if it ever does.
The only issue I have with Android on the HD2 is the hard buttons. Because the OS relies so much on the hard keys EVENTUALLY they will wear out. In WINMO I use them rarely to navigate and operate the phone. To turn it on when it goes to sleep I use SHAKE'N'WAKE so I don't even use the hard keys to pull it out of sleep.
Also tried a few others with limited success. Liked the EVO roms but the voice with the stock rom was robotic and data drops were pretty bad. NEXUS ONE was also good but the interface seemed dated. Speed was slower than the rom I'm currently using.
As far as WINMO 6.5 vs Android - I don't see a problem with WINMO but the browsing experience is much smoother and you have full flash. If Flash was available and integrated into either Opera of IE I don't think I'd switch.

I think your concern about the hardware buttons wearing out is an unfounded one. Thousands of phones use hardbuttons...and work perfectly fine. Most Android phones still use phsical buttons, and most people don't have problems with them wearing out.

You are probably right - more than likely they'll last much longer than I'll own it.

[Q] Updating radio to save battery

Hi,
I have a question about the radio and what it does for the battery. I'm currently using my HD2 with android, but the maximum amount of time before my battery is out of power is about 12-15 hours. I have the latest original HTC rom installed (RUU_Leo_S_HTC_NLD_3.14.404.2_Radio_15.42.50.11U_2.15.50.14_LEO_S_Ship), and i am currently using the MDJ_Revolution_HD_v._1.2_MDJ_S7.7HD android rom.
As far as i understand the radio is like the bios of your computer. I have been reading somethings about updating the radio so your phone uses less battery. But i haven't seen anything specific about this, like witch radio to use ect. Now I've been reading a little bit about updating a radio, and notest that it is a pretty riskfull thing to update the radio, so I'm trying the collect as much information about this before bricking my perfectly working HD2.
Could somebody clear this up for me?
Should i install a different radio to improve my battery usage? And why?

Radio can change battery usage but not necessarily has to. It depends on to many variables to give you straight answer. It depends on carrier, signal strength in your place, the way you use your phone etc. I can tel you this I'm with Meteor in Ireland and I'm using the same radio as you. My phone drain battery in more or less 24h, so you can see that is not only radio related. I do not know how dangerous is changing radio in the theory, but I did it at least dozen of times and didn't noticed any problems. Answering your question: you could try changing radio, there is chance that it will improve battery life of your mobile

williamsean said:
Hi,
I have a question about the radio and what it does for the battery. I'm currently using my HD2 with android, but the maximum amount of time before my battery is out of power is about 12-15 hours. I have the latest original HTC rom installed (RUU_Leo_S_HTC_NLD_3.14.404.2_Radio_15.42.50.11U_2.15.50.14_LEO_S_Ship), and i am currently using the MDJ_Revolution_HD_v._1.2_MDJ_S7.7HD android rom.
As far as i understand the radio is like the bios of your computer. I have been reading somethings about updating the radio so your phone uses less battery. But i haven't seen anything specific about this, like witch radio to use ect. Now I've been reading a little bit about updating a radio, and notest that it is a pretty riskfull thing to update the radio, so I'm trying the collect as much information about this before bricking my perfectly working HD2.
Could somebody clear this up for me?
Should i install a different radio to improve my battery usage? And why?
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The radio definitely plays an important role when it comes to battery consumption. No doubts there.
Now depending on the type of ROM you use, a specific radio version will work best with it.
I tried the latest Radio (2.15), I was not satisfied so switched to 2.12 - it was the radio version suggested by the ROM chief.
In theory the latest radio should be the best, but i dnt think its always true when it comes to android on the HD2, specially with RMNET and PPP connections and many other factors.
Simply use the radio suggested by ur ROM chief. If not satisfied, try the latest radio and compare. Only you can judge.
Last thing, i flashed radios several times (more than 10 times), never had any issues.
Just make sure u dnt interrupt the process lol and follow the instructions clearly.
Hope this helps.

HD2 Heating up in WP7

I dualboot android SD (Jaguarlani) and WP7. I hadnt used WP7 for a month now, and i've got an old 7740 rom of YUKI Back to the future. Now, while I was on, the phone started shedding battery life and getting hot. Within 40 minutes of minimal use it had used up 20% of the battery.
I'm using a 2.12 radio ( the recomennded one) and booting via magldr, Which rom should I flash to eliminate this issue And i've tried most fixes, which do not work.
I've got an europeian HD2 from italy.
I really like wp7, I really do, but I cannot use it with such horrible battery life, even SD android had 8 hours of fairly heavy use battery life. I imagine running it properly off nand will increase that.

Mine gets fairly hot and used battery like crazy when I watched videos or listen to music for an extended period of time as well.
However, I've been running DFT UltraFruit, for my daily phone, since it came out and my battery life has really improved.. 10-13 hours normal use, and it doesn't get as hot as it used too.
I'm in the US on t-mobile, using the most current radio... I'm not sure how much help that is, but that's my experience.

It's not that kind of issue, It gets extremely hot (think 50 to 60 C) when idling or using the internet for less then 10 minutes.
The thing is that the only place it gets hot is the 3g modem( I think ) which leads me to think that the issue is software - based.

keller112 said:
It's not that kind of issue, It gets extremely hot (think 50 to 60 C) when idling or using the internet for less then 10 minutes.
The thing is that the only place it gets hot is the 3g modem( I think ) which leads me to think that the issue is software - based.
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60c would burn your hand, if you can hold it, then it isnt that hot, if its down the bottom then it could also be wifi, all the gubbins are down that way
give ultrafruit a try, there is a huge difference in battery life, meaning that something isnt drawing as much power.
It might also be worth considering changing your radios, hard and soft, dispite common believe a newer radio doesnt mean a better one, usually carriers change radios based on their local settings in that market, so settings that might be good for one person might be terrible for another.
a very basic and over simplified, incorrect and generally a bit shoddy example might be that in your area the network is setup with settings that means your phone is trying double time to keep a connection, where as the same settings on my phone in my location might mean the phone doesnt need to try so hard because of my networks settings.... does that make sense?

dazza9075 said:
60c would burn your hand, if you can hold it, then it isnt that hot, if its down the bottom then it could also be wifi, all the gubbins are down that way
give ultrafruit a try, there is a huge difference in battery life, meaning that something isnt drawing as much power.
It might also be worth considering changing your radios, hard and soft, dispite common believe a newer radio doesnt mean a better one, usually carriers change radios based on their local settings in that market, so settings that might be good for one person might be terrible for another.
a very basic and over simplified, incorrect and generally a bit shoddy example might be that in your area the network is setup with settings that means your phone is trying double time to keep a connection, where as the same settings on my phone in my location might mean the phone doesnt need to try so hard because of my networks settings.... does that make sense?
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I will definetly try this new ultrafruit. How would I go about changing the soft radios though? The hard radio works really well on android and consumes barely any power, so I doubt that's the issue, I'm thinking more of a WP7-centric problem which points to softradio.
Other then that I do not have wi-fi on and I disabled 3g too, it still gets hot, and I wasnt exaggarating too much, it's in the range of barely being touchable, I would compare it to touching a hot-water run radiator that's been turned all the way up.
I live in bulgaria, and that's probably the core of the issue. However I have never switched softradios before, could you give me general directions, please?

keller112 said:
I will definetly try this new ultrafruit. How would I go about changing the soft radios though? The hard radio works really well on android and consumes barely any power, so I doubt that's the issue, I'm thinking more of a WP7-centric problem which points to softradio.
Other then that I do not have wi-fi on and I disabled 3g too, it still gets hot, and I wasnt exaggarating too much, it's in the range of barely being touchable, I would compare it to touching a hot-water run radiator that's been turned all the way up.
I live in bulgaria, and that's probably the core of the issue. However I have never switched softradios before, could you give me general directions, please?
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The software radio seems to be an invention of WP7, or at least thats the first we knew of it
The down side is you cant just flash a new radio like you can do with a hardware radio (Tri colour bootloader>plug in PC> install using the custom RRU)
To change the software radio you need to flash it with the initial ROM, meaning you can only change it when you wipe the whole device.
If you download a WP7 ROM, and then look at the files you will see a data.zip file. In that you will see a whole bunch of part files, the one you want is part 0
delete it within winrar, then add the part 0 from a different radio to the data.zip, using winrar again.
give me a few min and ill find you a list of all the radios
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http://www.multiupload.co.uk/BT6BI9FFDP

dazza9075 said:
The software radio seems to be an invention of WP7, or at least thats the first we knew of it
The down side is you cant just flash a new radio like you can do with a hardware radio (Tri colour bootloader>plug in PC> install using the custom RRU)
To change the software radio you need to flash it with the initial ROM, meaning you can only change it when you wipe the whole device.
If you download a WP7 ROM, and then look at the files you will see a data.zip file. In that you will see a whole bunch of part files, the one you want is part 0
delete it within winrar, then add the part 0 from a different radio to the data.zip, using winrar again.
give me a few min and ill find you a list of all the radios
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http://www.multiupload.co.uk/BT6BI9FFDP
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That link is barely alive, only rapidshare has it still up, thanks for the guidelines.

Haha, Yuki made it....his been gone awhile lol
Sent from my HD7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

Same issue
Please, I need help too,
My phone is getting hot since a while.
This after I fully charged my battery.
:S Any hack infos?

Alright, got pdaimatejam's rom up and running, so far the battery life is good so far, gonna play a movie (akira) when it finishes transcoding (._.)
Any MKV or avi drivers for WP7?
So far though, with the 5.71 radio I havent gotten online, meaning no internet. Phone is functioning though.
Am I going to need to reflash again with an older radio?
Update: this rom is freaking sweet, battery is really really stable!
Update 2: Radio is using 3g networks without providing internet connection, the battery drain is still faster then android, but it's within 1 hour. Other then that the screen and sensors dont draw as much power so it's pretty decent right now.