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I spoke to a rep about the 2.2 Beta - screenshots inside

Ok, I've been reading all the threads about the 'leaked' beta that's being argued over etc. so I took it upon myself to chat w/ a Sprint rep about 2.2 and how to get my hands on this mystical beast..
When directly asked how to help beta test, the rep suggested that I contact technical support and they would "definitely" help me with that request.
FWIW..

No way any end-user is going to get a copy of that, sorry... Imagine the piles of NDAs you'd have to sign. They'd basically have to hire you into hardware dev. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it won't happen. That phone number is just to get you off their back.

APOLAUF said:
No way any end-user is going to get a copy of that, sorry... Imagine the piles of NDAs you'd have to sign. They'd basically have to hire you into hardware dev. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it won't happen. That phone number is just to get you off their back.
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not in a bubble.. I just wanted answers
(i'm on the phone rt. now.. I'll post their answer in a few)

we all know its coming "this year"
opening a new thread every minute is not going to get this out sooner...

ericizzy1 said:
we all know its coming "this year"
opening a new thread every minute is not going to get this out sooner...
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not sure how to answer this one (rolls eyes)
After talking to Tier 2 tech support on the phone, I emailed him my screenshot and he seemed really puzzled that an online chat rep would tell me this.
HE said he is not aware of anything going on for beta testing.. Further, he checked his 'inside' mail/communications about upcoming things etc. and didn't see anywhere that would imply that the 2.2 update would be here within the next few weeks but he said that's where things stand today and it was subject to change.
He did say that normally, they get the inside scoop before things drop so that they are prepared before the official drop/release of new stuff and he saw nothing yet to imply that froyo was coming.
Further, he also mentioned that Sprint does not normally do Beta testing that he is aware of and that sometimes people get ahold of things (leaks) before they're official (which we already knew)..
So there's the answer. Sprint doesn't normally do beta testing
keep calling and bugging them and see if someone else gets it LMFAO

or just wait....

Two things:
1. The online rep you talked to doesn't speak English and is not privy to any sort of inside information. They don't know ****.
2. The "Tier 2" rep you talked to doesn't know ****.
No way, no how will you ever be able to "beta test" for Sprint. They do their own testing, but they keep it under wraps pretty tight. Anybody you talk to on the phone is just a Sprint drone.

Either way, you don't know if you don't ask right?
I asked whilst many whined about entitlement. (not implying that'd the case in this thread, but still..)
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Just a little fyi... when you call sprint reps, be careful... they work in prisons. Just found this out the other day... interesting eh?
Sent From The Beast Inside My Pocket.

You wanted information and you called the stupidest people on the face of the planet? Why didn't you just go find the nearest homeless person or McDonald's employee and ask them to flash Froyo onto your phone?

bigray327 said:
You wanted information and you called the stupidest people on the face of the planet? Why didn't you just go find the nearest homeless person or McDonald's employee and ask them to flash Froyo onto your phone?
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I think that would be offensive to some homeless people and mcdonalds employees. Just sayin. xD
Other than that, I do have to agree, sprint employees are quite dumb. After being with sprint for 6 or so years, I would know. Especially in the first few years before they actually got their **** kinda together.
Also, I believe that 2.2 froyo will be coming out around the end of november. I'm going to stick to that. If not, then sprint is gonna have a ****load of people wanting their money back.
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Wow... This is kinda offensive to those of us employees that actually know our ****. We're not all bad or idiotic or mindless braindead drones. There are a few good ones out there...BTW, I'm not call center I'm store rep, but I paid my dues at the center prior to this gig...
But yeah, none of our info actually mentions any type of updated release for Froyo...

notoriouspyro said:
But yeah, none of our info actually mentions any type of updated release for Froyo...
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Meaning that froyo is still set to be released at the end of november or that the epic will not receive froyo at all? If its the latter then I among many others will rage and most definitely return the epic.
Oh and no offense. Just stating that I've dealt with my share of sprint employees that aren't the brightest crayons in the box...
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fromchaos0646 said:
Meaning that froyo is still set to be released at the end of november or that the epic will not receive froyo at all? If its the latter then I among many others will rage and most definitely return the epic.
Oh and no offense. Just stating that I've dealt with my share of sprint employees that aren't the brightest crayons in the box...
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There is absolutely no doubt that the Epic will receive Froyo.

It will get it, I spoke with a rep at one of our conferences and he did state it was coming, but he just had no idea when. I know doesn't help to move things along. But be patient. Hell I had to wait until a week ago before employees were able to get our epics, so good things do come to those who wait.

fromchaos0646 said:
I think that would be offensive to some homeless people and mcdonalds employees. Just sayin. xD
Other than that, I do have to agree, sprint employees are quite dumb. After being with sprint for 6 or so years, I would know. Especially in the first few years before they actually got their **** kinda together.
Also, I believe that 2.2 froyo will be coming out around the end of november. I'm going to stick to that. If not, then sprint is gonna have a ****load of people wanting their money back.
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Just wait until he gets next months bill and for some reason they switched him to a family plan with international roaming because he called in and asked about Froyo.
Rule #1 - NEVER call sprint unless you absolutely HAVE to.
Rule #2 - If you do HAVE to call, make sure to check your account online IMMEDIATELY after getting off the phone with them no matter what you were calling in about.

As long as froyo is a definite, its all good. Just gotta be patient even though its hard to wait for something that will make your phone truly "epic".
And damn, that would suck. Never have I experienced that with sprint but in the future ill look out for that. Idkillabitch if that happened to me.
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fromchaos0646 said:
Never have I experienced that with sprint but in the future ill look out for that. Idkillabitch if that happened to me.
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Ditto. Remember folks, the BBB can be a sledgehammer.

BThomas22x said:
Just a little fyi... when you call sprint reps, be careful... they work in prisons. Just found this out the other day... interesting eh?
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LOL, no, they don't. They work in call centers, though some of the reps like to compare it to prison.
As for the beta testing, there is a VERY long, drawn out process to be a beta tester, and it's not what you know, it's who you know. I had some fairly high up individuals asking to get me beta team access, and I was shot down damn near instantly. However, a former coworker's brother got him into the beta team, and he was receiving phones almost 6 months before they were released. It was pretty awesome playing with the new stuff before any info was ever leaked to the net, but these folks are NOT techies like us, they just play with the phones and report any obvious bugs.

muyoso said:
Just wait until he gets next months bill and for some reason they switched him to a family plan with international roaming because he called in and asked about Froyo.
Rule #1 - NEVER call sprint unless you absolutely HAVE to.
Rule #2 - If you do HAVE to call, make sure to check your account online IMMEDIATELY after getting off the phone with them no matter what you were calling in about.
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What's funny, is I actually DID check my account afterwards LMFAO
Just sayin'

activation

I've had a hell of a time trying to get this damn phone activated. It shows it's charged, but all it says during hands-free activation is "contacting network", and never finishes. Tried updating the profile, but naturally, that takes data to work, so that certainly wasn't successful. Talked to tech support, and they had me try resetting the phone, didn't help. I've left it plugged in for 2 more hours, still didn't activate. I do not want to call tech support again, they talk to me like I'm an idiot and it annoys the crap out of me.

tatonka_hero said:
I've had a hell of a time trying to get this damn phone activated. It shows it's charged, but all it says during hands-free activation is "contacting network", and never finishes. Tried updating the profile, but naturally, that takes data to work, so that certainly wasn't successful. Talked to tech support, and they had me try resetting the phone, didn't help. I've left it plugged in for 2 more hours, still didn't activate. I do not want to call tech support again, they talk to me like I'm an idiot and it annoys the crap out of me.
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try using chat?

riggsandroid said:
try using chat?
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it's employee care, so I don't know if there is a chat. Not to mention it's probably blocked at work. Odd things are blocked here. Like androidforums.com is blocked, but XDA isn't (which I'm grateful for)

I had the same problem when I was at radioshack. They bad to call tech and get a dialing code to reset some settings. Just call and say you got disconnected from tech and you want to go back. If you don't say that they will try to fix it themselves.
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adamr240 said:
I had the same problem when I was at radioshack. They bad to call tech and get a dialing code to reset some settings. Just call and say you got disconnected from tech and you want to go back. If you don't say that they will try to fix it themselves.
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I called them back and got in touch with a guy that actually seemed like he knew what he was doing. Had me go into a menu using ##986# I think, and had me change the two numbers in there. That fixed it. Now I get to play!

tatonka_hero said:
I called them back and got in touch with a guy that actually seemed like he knew what he was doing. Had me go into a menu using ##986# I think, and had me change the two numbers in there. That fixed it. Now I get to play!
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hey at least you didnt end up like me, my 1st shift arrived with a DOA radio lol

I've noticed that if I am patient and pleasant with the people on the phone, usually they are reasonable when we have a conversation. Not getting mad or yelling or name calling isn't good. I try to keep the conversation kinda professional and relaxed and most of the time they are the same way back to me. Maybe some reps can confirm this? I've heard many say that if you are cool with them, they might go the extra mile with you. If you are a **** or ***** on the phone, they won't want to help you even though it is their job. Understand what it is like to be in their position and treat/speak with them like you want to be treated. Common sense stuff.
They deal with difficult and rude customers all day. They probably like it a lot when someone is civil with them. Duh!
You get more with sugar than vinegar.

herbthehammer said:
I've noticed that if I am patient and pleasant with the people on the phone, usually they are reasonable when we have a conversation. Not getting mad or yelling or name calling isn't good. I try to keep the conversation kinda professional and relaxed and most of the time they are the same way back to me. Maybe some reps can confirm this? I've heard many say that if you are cool with them, they might go the extra mile with you. If you are a **** or ***** on the phone, they won't want to help you even though it is their job. Understand what it is like to be in their position and treat/speak with them like you want to be treated. Common sense stuff.
They deal with difficult and rude customers all day. They probably like it a lot when someone is civil with them. Duh!
You get more with sugar than vinegar.
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I can confirm being a former call center rep myself for another company (still with them hence the lack of naming, just moved up the ladder), we are a lot more inclined to go the extra mile and ensure everything you need to taken care of if you give us the same respect we try our best to give you

XmentalX said:
I can confirm being a former call center rep myself for another company (still with them hence the lack of naming, just moved up the ladder), we are a lot more inclined to go the extra mile and ensure everything you need to taken care of if you give us the same respect we try our best to give you
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Oh I was very nice and polite, but if I had to go through a third tech support person, then I was going to get a bit angry with them. Luckily, the second guy knew what he was doing and my Shift is great. Battery's dead, mostly because I was downloading updates in an area with no service (I hope that's the reason anyway, always was with my Hero)

Another thought is that even though it's very annoying when dealing with people that seem clueless, they can't help it if someone poorly trained them or told them to troubleshoot by reading a script in a book they might have in front of them. I bet many are just like many other people out there. They need a job and it's not their fault if their employer did a ****ty job training them. I've had quite a few jobs where IF the employer DID train, it would be the absolute minimum and then they throw you to the wolves. Sink or swim. You figure it out along the way, if you can. The idiots expect maximum results with minimum efforts. And again, I digress.

Activating mine was a major pain. I spoke with 3 reps and 1 supervisor before someone thought to ask me if I had turned off my old phone first. Turns out that was the problem.

this is just pathetic

http://http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/mob/2327488580.html
Hello my name is john.
I am able to modify your
HTC EVO 4g.
to have sprint hots spot for free for lifetime!! nice huh??
that means that your not paying an extra 30$ a month for mobile hot spot.
better yet, you will get full control over your phone!
and i mean if you thought android gave you a lot of customization you have not seen anything yet.
you dont know what your missing.
============Benefits & Features============
I can put phone back to factory settings or in other words unroot your phone if you needed to send it to sprint for service
Upgrade your phone to Ginerbread! (Froyo aka 2.2 is the current version for evo) Gingerbread aka 2.3.3 has not been officially released.
Custom ROMS enable you to get better battery life, and can make your experience better!
Full control over everything in your phone.
you can overclock your phone for better performance!
I will perform a full backup of your contacts so you wont lose anyone.
Free wireless hotspot & tethering to your pc
4g will work with my custom rom i install on your phone.
New animations and you can change your boot startup! yes its possible
Create a recovery just incase of system failure
Get rid off the sprint crap off your phone that slow down your phone!
Hey check this out. when you press the stand by button. there is a cool animation. this is one of my favorite things
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wClA8sU5SH8
how cool is that? now whens the last time that you saw a cell phone do that!
For only 60 dollars, and the process takes only about 30 mins or less.
you can sit and watch while i do it.
Cash only accepted. Sorry
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lame

Yep. Old news. People do this. It's stupid. Whatever.
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Eh there's a lot of people that are completely clueless when it comes to this kind of stuff. Not only clueless, but too scared to even try it and don't want to take the time to learn it.
If you can make some change, take advantage of it. *shrug*

I don't think that this is ok at all... he is using free wifi tether to lure people in, people that shouldn't be messing with root and flashing. and wow 60$ glad to know this ass hole is making killer money off of other peoples time and work
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stimpyshaun said:
I don't think that this is ok at all... he is using free wifi tether to lure people in, people that shouldn't be messing with root and flashing. and wow 60$ glad to know this ass hole is making killer money off of other peoples time and work
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Haha!
Well, heh... I didn't say he wasn't an asshole. However... I don't care, though. You going to backtrace it and report him to teh cyber police? If some poor fool wants to pay this clown $60 -- well, that's their problem.

I like this part.
============Benefits & Features============
4g will work with my custom rom i install on your phone.
I bet he tells this to people that live in 3G areas. lol Now your 4Geez will work.

KB112 said:
I like this part.
============Benefits & Features============
4g will work with my custom rom i install on your phone.
I bet he tells this to people that live in 3G areas. lol Now your 4Geez will work.
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rofl...
"My custom ROM I install on your phone"
There's no way this guy developed a ROM. Someone needs to email him and ask him for more information.

beesneazy said:
Yep. Old news. People do this. It's stupid. Whatever.
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what? please explain how luring stupid people into paying for something that they can have free, is stupid? he's capitalizing off their laziness and ignorance. that's not stupid at all. how do you think most american businesses make their money? off of stupid/ignorant customers that dont know how to figure things out for themselves. it's no different than soliciting flyers for your lawn care business. yeah, they can mow their lawns themselves, and trim around the house. they can even do a little bit of research so they can figure out for themselves how to keep their lawns green year-round. but do they? hell no. you'd be stupid to not take advantage of that and make a quick buck.
KB112 said:
I like this part.
============Benefits & Features============
4g will work with my custom rom i install on your phone.
I bet he tells this to people that live in 3G areas. lol Now your 4Geez will work.
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chicago is a 4g area...

rotfl... +1 you now have 4geez and the wifi's isn't that a deal

Ha ha I was making.money of jailbraking my friends iPhone and ipods for $10 bucks each but it all started for free but this one for 60$ mm I should start doing that Lmao jk
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cnstarz said:
what? please explain how luring stupid people into paying for something that they can have free, is stupid? he's capitalizing off their laziness and ignorance. that's not stupid at all. how do you think most american businesses make their money? off of stupid/ignorant customers that dont know how to figure things out for themselves. it's no different than soliciting flyers for your lawn care business. yeah, they can mow their lawns themselves, and trim around the house. they can even do a little bit of research so they can figure out for themselves how to keep their lawns green year-round. but do they? hell no. you'd be stupid to not take advantage of that and make a quick buck.
chicago is a 4g area...
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How is not knowing that you are capable of rooting your phone make you "lazy...ignorant...stupid"
Most people simply do not know what rooting its and that is in know way there fault....
What this guy is doing is wrong and is unjustifiable.
$60 reallY? I bet he's as pathetic in real life as he is online.

starplaya93 said:
How is not knowing that you are capable of rooting your phone make you "lazy...ignorant...stupid"
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are you ignorant of the definition of "ignorant?" laziness, is a definite possibility because maybe they dont feel like doing all the research required to know how to root your phone, and learn all the lingo too. also, maybe people are scared to root their phones.
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Most people simply do not know what rooting its and that is in know way there fault....
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again, that is ignorance. in today's society, you cannot possibly tell me that "most" people are 100% unaware of what rooting is, or that it even exists. stop lying to yourself. even if someone that saw the post didn't know what it was, they could easily ask one of their nerd friends what is is. and if they don't, and they just decide to pay the dude $60 to root their phone -- guess what that makes them? stupid.
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What this guy is doing is wrong and is unjustifiable.
$60 reallY? I bet he's as pathetic in real life as he is online.
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not unjustifiable at all. as i mentioned earlier, it's no different than soliciting flyers for a lawn-care business, or any other business that capitalizes on skills/knowledge that is freely and widely available for anyone to obtain.

cnstarz said:
what? please explain how luring stupid people into paying for something that they can have free, is stupid? he's capitalizing off their laziness and ignorance. that's not stupid at all. how do you think most american businesses make their money? off of stupid/ignorant customers that dont know how to figure things out for themselves. it's no different than soliciting flyers for your o care business. yeah, they can mow their lawns themselves, and trim around the house. they can even do a little bit of research so they can figure out for themselves how to keep their lawns green year-round. but do they? hell no. you'd be stupid to not take advantage of that and make a quick buck.
chicago is a 4g area...
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Everything about this is garbage ... do I care? No. Some folks definitely have a stronger opinion of this than others. He takes others work and 'passes it off' as his own. I don't deny that people can't be bothered to do this stuff and will pay others for the 'work' but the wording is always the funny part. Its like me posting a listing and utilizing everyone else's contributions.
Its stupid. It's ****ing stupid and you are ****ing stupid if you pay someone to do something like this. Its like charging people to upgrade their HDD in their PS3 because they're too dense to do it themselves. Its laughable. I say whatever because there isn't anything really 'wrong' with it as this **** happens all the time ... doesn't make it any less stupid / hilariously lame. I don't, personally, care. But its still stupid.
For all I know its someone here doing it .. hell, I could do this. Its sad and cheap.
End of story.
*for your argument with lawn care ... its like cutting the grass, trimming and tossing down weed killer but you act like you are the one working the magic. 'My lawn fertilizer and weed killer is unlike anything you've ever seen. But, if in the future, weeds pop up then I cannot he blamed.' Its the wording that irks me. And it is stupid. I don't deny there are stupid and worthless people out there ... but that doesn't change the fact that this is bull****. As said, some get more worked up over this than others ... I think it would he funny to meet up with this chode and call him out though. 'Personally the screen off animation I love' or whatever he says ... c'mon, grade A chode. He is using other people's work ..
.... it would ALMOST be like 'borrowing' your neighbor's lawnmower to mow someone elses grass and get paid for it. Following along with your stupid lawnmowing analogy. Its not the end of the world ... but it is stupid. No ifs, ands or butts. Again, I don't care. Whatever, as I said. Still, stupid. And, yes - it's a fact - the majority are morons. And at the rate of Android's growth ... potential gold mine here ... doesn't change the fact its 'semi-bull****.'
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I've seen people on CL ASKING to pay for someone to root their phone. I always email them right away, tell them about the one click root method with the video walkthrough, and to save their money. Craigslist is full of ****heads and scammers, but this is a service that people want, and just don't know where to get good information. I always get thank you emails after for showing them XDA, and saving them money.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with what the guy is doing. He's offering his services for a fee... Capitalism at its best!
You think how much time you've spent learning how to do this, familiarizing yourself with the process. Learning what to do when something goes wrong, etc, etc. If you're a youngin or unemployed, you have time to do this. Some people are not tech savvy, not computer literate, and think cmd is some highly technical code. These people will pay you for results.
If you know what you are doing and can deliver, there's nothing wrong with marketing your skills. There is information out there on how to change the head gasket for my car, or install a new clutch. I don't have the right tools or the inclination to get under the hood to do this myself. I take the car to a repair facility. Same concept here.
Or better yet, why go to a doctor... There are books you can read to research your illness and determine a course of therapy. The list goes on and on.

cnstarz said:
are you ignorant of the definition of "ignorant?" laziness, is a definite possibility because maybe they dont feel like doing all the research required to know how to root your phone, and learn all the lingo too. also, maybe people are scared to root their phones.
again, that is ignorance. in today's society, you cannot possibly tell me that "most" people are 100% unaware of what rooting is, or that it even exists. stop lying to yourself. even if someone that saw the post didn't know what it was, they could easily ask one of their nerd friends what is is. and if they don't, and they just decide to pay the dude $60 to root their phone -- guess what that makes them? stupid.
not unjustifiable at all. as i mentioned earlier, it's no different than soliciting flyers for a lawn-care business, or any other business that capitalizes on skills/knowledge that is freely and widely available for anyone to obtain.
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Am I ignorant? I don't know, i'll let god be the judge of that. I do know one thing though, i'd much rather be ignorant than a low life moron.
The majority of people who do not know how to root there phones are not ignorant or lazy simply because they "lack knowledge". First off, you can't be ignorant and lazy at the same time wise guy...think about it for a second (just don't think too hard and hurt yourself)
Secondly, how are people supposed to know that rooting even exists if no body tells them? Are they just supposed to assume that when they purchase their device that it has a stock rom on it and is un-rooted? I'm sorry, but very few people are as wise or psychic as you or they may not have nerd friends to explain to them what rooting is, therefore they can not possibly know to look on the internet for how to root there phone because they have no clue that such a process exist.
this does not make them ignorant because they aren't choosing to not know how to root, they simply haven't learned the facts (and yes, the majority of people have no clue what rooting is, so go pat yourself on the back for being superior to all of these ignorant lazy people)
Lastly, most of these people on craigslist doing this junk tend to focus their advertising on customizable roms, free tethering, overclockingg, etc etc. They rarely emphasize the fact that they are rooting the phone which is wrong.
Taking advantage of consumers lack of knowledge is not a good thing. Just because it's the status quo doesn't justify it...That is ignorant.

gpz1100 said:
If you know what you are doing and can deliver, there's nothing wrong with marketing your skills. There is information out there on how to change the head gasket for my car, or install a new clutch. I don't have the right tools or the inclination to get under the hood to do this myself. I take the car to a repair facility. Same concept here.
Or better yet, why go to a doctor... There are books you can read to research your illness and determine a course of therapy. The list goes on and on.
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Its not quite the same ... I mean, I get what you're saying ... but, skills? You aren't doing anything but taking someone else's work and using it for your financial betterment. Your argument would make more sense if you were repairing hardware or something ... acknowledgment isn't given for the people that have set up these simple and idiot proof root methods ... or the ROMs themselves. Sure, they might not say they 'made' the ROMs or rooting methods ... but they didn't say they didn't, either. And they don't have to do as much. I really don't care, and dont take my multiple posts as such, but its not really the same as all the things mentioned. Especially the doctor ****. LOL
Again, Im up late so that's the only reason I'm posting ... not hating, and if you are too dense or too busy to bother .... so be it. But I wont try to trivialize it with some bull**** analogies. I get people are lazy and stupid ... but don't throw the word 'skills' out here when my 13 year old cousin with some random palsy could pull this off. Its a cheap way to take advantage of people. Nothing more. Wording and acting like it's so much more than it is ... its a crock. Throughout time people have been doing this ... doesn't make it right or less garbage. This is a specific exploitation of someone else's work / services. This isn't changing some gasket in an automobile that fits across the board. This is a pretty specific exploitation.
Surgery is a skill and service ... coming over to make you a sandwich is about what this equates to. Don't mix 'skills' and 'near still born babies incapable of doing anything for themselves' as a service or a skill. More power to you if you can make money doing this ... but it is stupid. And sad.
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starplaya93 said:
Am I ignorant? I don't know, i'll let god be the judge of that. I do know one thing though, i'd much rather be ignorant than a low life moron.
The majority of people who do not know how to root there phones are not ignorant or lazy simply because they "lack knowledge". First off, you can't be ignorant and lazy at the same time wise guy...think about it for a second (just don't think too hard and hurt yourself)
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you can't be ignorant and lazy at the same time? what the **** are you even talking about??? mind = blown. please, please, please explain why it is absolutely, without a doubt, physically impossible to be lazy and ignorant at the same time.
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Secondly, how are people supposed to know that rooting even exists if no body tells them? Are they just supposed to assume that when they purchase their device that it has a stock rom on it and is un-rooted? I'm sorry, but very few people are as wise or psychic as you or they may not have nerd friends to explain to them what rooting is, therefore they can not possibly know to look on the internet for how to root there phone because they have no clue that such a process exist.
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there is no doubt that are people out there that don't know about rooting. i'm not arguing that. you said that "most" people don't know it even exists. that's a made-up statistic that you concocted in your head, probably around the same time that you started believing that it's impossible to be ignorant and lazy.
regardless, how does one know that rooting exists without anybody telling them? this is probably going to sound like i'm dividing by zero, but a possible answer is... they discover it themselves! yes, people are capable of doing that! the human brain is indeed quite impressive and capable of independent thought and education. people don't have to be told by someone that something exists. it is possible for things to be discovered without being told by someone. (how do you think america, or any physical element was discovered?)
put yourself in your grandma's shoes. she doesn't know anything about this technology stuff, but she is learning because recently she discovered that are phones out there that can do many things. these phones can let you browse the internet, use your phone as a hotspot, will even let you video chat with your grandchildren, and they even have these touchscreens that allow you to just use your fingers instead of having to press a bunch of buttons! amazing! being the curious little grandma that she is, she goes home, opens up internet.com, and decides to type "evo smartphone" into her AskJeeves toolbar that she has installed. Her mind is opened to a plethora of information where she discovers what is possible with these phones. She does her research and decides that she wants one.
the moral of the story? she wants a ****ing smartphone because of its capabilities, and she didn't learn everything she knew about because of someone telling her about it -- she did her research. "most" people dont just walk into a sprint store and buy an android smartphone not knowing what it is capable of. these people have played with sprint's demo phones, they have played with their friends' phones, they have watched youtube videos of it in action. they know what the **** the phone is capable of. being the curious humans that we are, a majority of us know for a fact that the things we buy are not limited just to what the manufactures make us believe. so don't give me that bull**** statement that you have to be psychic or have nerd friends with gadget toys to figure things out for yourself.
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this does not make them ignorant because they aren't choosing to not know how to root, they simply haven't learned the facts (and yes, the majority of people have no clue what rooting is, so go pat yourself on the back for being superior to all of these ignorant lazy people)
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okay okay, i see what you're talking about now. you seem to think that being ignorant requires one to CHOOSE to not be informed or educated. very wrong. look it up.
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Lastly, most of these people on craigslist doing this junk tend to focus their advertising on customizable roms, free tethering, overclockingg, etc etc.
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i concur.
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They rarely emphasize the fact that they are rooting the phone which is wrong.
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explain further. what is it that you are saying is wrong: not telling people that you are rooting the phone; or the simple act of rooting the phone?
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Taking advantage of consumers lack of knowledge is not a good thing.
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this sentence is very subjective. it's good for the person taking advantage of it because that means money in his pockets and some extra food on the table for his family. it's not good for the person being taken advantage of because he/she could be doing all this for free. being taken advantage of, and then realizing that you've been taken advantage of could be good for the customer because maybe that's what it takes to open his eyes and learn from his mistakes. in that case, it could be a good thing for both parties.
now, i dont necessarily agree with his tactics. i do feel that he should just be educating people; doing it for free or even much cheaper; or be more clear (and honest) when explaining what he is doing. but, that is not the case. he's simply trying to make a quick buck, and it might be working. that doesn't make him stupid or a moron. shady? sneaky? sure, but definitely not stupid.

Some people are mad they aren't doing this....
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DirtyShroomz said:
Some people are mad they aren't doing this....
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With all the money made from selling weed on the side ... who can be bothered with such trivial exploitation? You think THIS is easy money? Pssh.
And I never said HE was stupid ... but that this practice is stupid. And old. Its been discussed ad nauseum here and elsewhere. Its been happening for a while ... old news ... its so 'whatever.' *gimpy Hipster wrist*
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Big Brother Lives In CA & Coming to A State Near You

First let me start off by saying I'm a noob, a virgo, and like taking long walks on the beach LOL. I have been lurking around for the past couple of months and have learned a lot from the great people that like to help and share information. This is indeed a great community of people. This is my first post so if it seems long winded I apologize. Now my reason for my thread title. I live in Phoenix AZ (I know it's a dry heat), I was watching the news tonight and they did a story on the search of cell phones by the police. It seems that in California if you get stopped for anything, traffic ticket, jay walking, ect. and your cell phone is within arms length of you, the officer can ask for your phone and can search through it no search warrant needed! Yes that means anything and everything that is on your phone is free game (I find that a little strange since last year a husband went to court over accessing his wife's email and reading it.) But as the story was told California Supreme court upheld the ruling which again states that any person who comes in contact with a law enforcement officer can have their cell phone "looked at". This means call history, web sites visited, your phone book, and any and all information that is stored on your device. The only catch is that the device has to be within arms reach of the person. I am not a criminal, never even had a traffic ticket, but the thought of someone going through my phone drives me crazy. I keep my phone locked with a passcode, so would that mean that I would have to unlock my device for them to snoop through it? Anyway I found this interesting and I thought that I would share it with anyone who cares. My question is, of all of the talent that is in this community, has there ever been an app made like a "kill all pill", something that with just the touch of a button your device would be reset to factory settings and/or scrub the sd card? Just a thought. Once again thank you for allowing me to gain more knowledge of my device and to share in the community. Keep up the great work!

eddiegaz said:
First let me start off by saying I'm a noob, a virgo, and like taking long walks on the beach LOL. I have been lurking around for the past couple of months and have learned a lot from the great people that like to help and share information. This is indeed a great community of people. This is my first post so if it seems long winded I apologize. Now my reason for my thread title. I live in Phoenix AZ (I know it's a dry heat), I was watching the news tonight and they did a story on the search of cell phones by the police. It seems that in California if you get stopped for anything, traffic ticket, jay walking, ect. and your cell phone is within arms length of you, the officer can ask for your phone and can search through it no search warrant needed! Yes that means anything and everything that is on your phone is free game (I find that a little strange since last year a husband went to court over accessing his wife's email and reading it.) But as the story was told California Supreme court upheld the ruling which again states that any person who comes in contact with a law enforcement officer can have their cell phone "looked at". This means call history, web sites visited, your phone book, and any and all information that is stored on your device. The only catch is that the device has to be within arms reach of the person. I am not a criminal, never even had a traffic ticket, but the thought of someone going through my phone drives me crazy. I keep my phone locked with a passcode, so would that mean that I would have to unlock my device for them to snoop through it? Anyway I found this interesting and I thought that I would share it with anyone who cares. My question is, of all of the talent that is in this community, has there ever been an app made like a "kill all pill", something that with just the touch of a button your device would be reset to factory settings and/or scrub the sd card? Just a thought. Once again thank you for allowing me to gain more knowledge of my device and to share in the community. Keep up the great work!
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I saw the same report about California on our news.
I have news for you, I will never consider living in that state.
That is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS and a step away from the government having video cameras in your house.
I don't know what you can do exactly.
If you ever get pulled over, send the ***** into your custom recovery and format all.
Scary what this country is turning into.

Just toss the phone in the back seat.
I'd actually be kinda curious about the existence of such an app, also....

Ridiculous is all I can say
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I'd tell them to **** themselves and take them to the supreme court. That's purely unconstitutional.
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One more step in complete government control .... I live in Cali and truth be told if it wasn't for my son(separated parents) I wouldn't even live in this country.
"praise the lord and pass the ammunition"

RileyGrant said:
I'd tell them to **** themselves and take them to the supreme court. That's purely unconstitutional.
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I completely agree with you but unfortunately in this day and age "unconstitutional" doesn't mean a damned thing.
The Patriot act is "unconstitutional"...
Actually I just decided to NOT list all the things that are "unconstitutional" that are realities, I don't have that kind of time.

This country went to **** years ago
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"Tase me, bro."
*smash*
*I'm assuming this is similar to the 'plug n' pull' (ya like that?) that was mentioned before. If all it takes is smashing the phone to ****, well, I'd do it in a heartbeat. If I just had pr0n on my phone I wouldn't even care. But that never touches my phone. Nor my computer; felt the need to add that. I'm talking serious business. Not that 'phone tapping' couldn't be possible (yes, it can happen to us all) but anything to shut an effort down. I'd even smash my rooted device and give up a chance of rooted glory for all the bull**** that could come of it. I hate cops. I've had some horrible experiences with them in the past. I'm not a 'blah blah f*ck you' to the face anymore, but I don't play that ****. You can instantly tell when a cop is on the push, and usually it is because you are in a bad situation. But some trivial ****? Nah, I don't, and won't, play that.

Keep your phone locked. If they ask for the pass code, tell them no.

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Keep your phone locked. If they ask for the pass code, tell them no.
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I don't think it works like that, provided this was similar to the talk before ... your 'ish' gets plugged in and by some 'miracle super duper government cop pull' they jack any and everything off your phone.
I'd like some clarification though. I haven't seen a link, but this sounds pretty similar to the talk before.
I'd honestly laugh if this was a, "Gimme your phone son. Ok, how do I see your 'texties?'"

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I don't think it works like that, provided this was similar to the talk before ... your 'ish' gets plugged in and by some miracle super duper government cop pull they jack any and everything off your phone.
I'd like some clarification though. I haven't seen a link, but this sounds pretty similar to the talk before.
I'd honeslty laugh if this was a, "Gimme your phone son. Ok, how do I see your 'texties.'"
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They have a device they can hook the phone up to which copies all of the data.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying this sounds like. 'That talk before.'
If you could honestly lock your phone and deny access, well, that's a massive failure on their part. That is what I was saying. It sounds like all that business mentioned a month or two ago.

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Yeah, that's what I'm saying this sounds like. 'That talk before.'
If you could honestly lock your phone and deny access, well, that's a massive failure on their part. That is what I was saying. It sounds like all that business mentioned a month or two ago.
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Locking the phone will do nothing.
I suppose you can wipe the phone but, as we all know, the only way to truly destroy data is acid.

Right. If I am remembering correctly it was mentioned as such before. That's what I was saying. I wouldn't be surprised if this was being considered in Illinois. I should make a point of turning my phone off / removing the card everytime we / I get pulled over. Swallow the card if it appears suspect and smash the phone. I'd totally get tasered over as much.*
*tasers aren't that bad*
*yes, for fun
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This is BULL**** !
Im glad I live in Sin City

Just another reason for me to hate living in Cali. I must have missed the report but I remember about a month or so ago some state in the north eastern part of the us displayed a new device just for cell phones that police were beginning to use. Basically it comes with universal plug or what ever and totally scans phone in a matter of seconds. All contents are then stored in said device for further review. files included absolutely everything! Pictures, videos, internet history/cache, emails, call history etc. Welcome to socialism! California is leading the way.
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Just use titanium backup and dropbox. Then if being pulled over just boot to recovery and format all. Might still be able to recover the data though. We need a secure format option.
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Here is the key part:
eddiegaz said:
the officer can ask for your phone and can search through it no search warrant needed!
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Police officers can ask for lots of things. You don't have to give it to them. If an officers asks if he can look in your trunk you can say no, if they ask to come into your house you can say no, if they ask you anything you can remain silent. So if you have something on your phone that you don't want the police to see, just say no when they ask if they can look at it.
I have seen police go to apartments where the neighbor reported that someone was smoking pot. They can smell the pot, but if no one answers the door, or the person who answers does not let them in they can't take any further action.

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Welcome to socialism! California is leading the way.
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While I won't dispute Cali's socialist leanings, this is NOT evidence of it. Evidense of Fascism? Sure is! Socialism? No. There are big differences between communism and socialsim, and both can be facist...but so can democracy. Fascism is the real evil. Socialism and communism are only theoretical evils that tend to die off as time progresses (though either one work very well in small communities. Funny thing: almost any humane fiscal system can work, and work well, on a small scale...it is when one starts dealing with larger societies that the sh1t hits the fan). But this is all far more political than is allowed.
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Here is the key part:
Police officers can ask for lots of things. You don't have to give it to them. If an officers asks if he can look in your trunk you can say no, if they ask to come into your house you can say no, if they ask you anything you can remain silent. So if you have something on your phone that you don't want the police to see, just say no when they ask if they can look at it.
I have seen police go to apartments where the neighbor reported that someone was smoking pot. They can smell the pot, but if no one answers the door, or the person who answers does not let them in they can't take any further action.
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Someone hasn't been paying attention to what is going on
What is "allowed" and what has been actually happening are two completely different things. Wanna see a video of people being body-slammed and tied up for dancing at the Jefferson monument? Minute 2:40 is when they tell someone that they will be arrested for continuing to record.
Here is a news report on the incident

Well dang

Did we just lose Rom support for Qualcomm?
Lol I go look all ROMs but two are closed that sucks

No we didn't lose rom support. Just some small issues.

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No we didn't lose rom support. Just some small issues.
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SO every thread gets closed? Lol

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SO every thread gets closed? Lol
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People kept nagging him about stuff that didn't work and what not when the roms were clearly in alpha phase and he even stated what worked and what didn't. He got sick of people being stupid and not reading so he closed them all.

Well that makes sense
Kinda sucks though
I was about to ask him if building MIUI would be hard lol

NGD1 said:
Well that makes sense
Kinda sucks though
I was about to ask him if building MIUI would be hard lol
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It's pretty sad that people think Qualcomm support is dead because I left. I'm nobody special. I can't believe nobody else has posted any ROMs other than squid2 and one guy just trying to spread around his donation link more trying to make money off other peoples work basically. I'm going to pm a select few of you guys with a link to somewhere we can do this on our own terms. I know you guys all probably think I'm a ****, but I'm really not. I got pissed because I very calmly and nicely responded to someone's comment, they responded back ending with "take a xanax", I took offense and reported them and I ended up with 2 infractions (my first ever) that I didn't quite understand. One was retracted after the fact. But anyway, don't worry I didn't go far.

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I know you guys all probably think I'm a ****, but I'm really not.
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I don't think you're a ****, I completely understand your frustrations. I had a mod give me an infraction over something completely irrelevant and stupid too on these forums. Literally my first infraction in 8 years.

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It's pretty sad that people think Qualcomm support is dead because I left. I'm nobody special. I can't believe nobody else has posted any ROMs other than squid2 and one guy just trying to spread around his donation link more trying to make money off other peoples work basically. I'm going to pm a select few of you guys with a link to somewhere we can do this on our own terms. I know you guys all probably think I'm a ****, but I'm really not. I got pissed because I very calmly and nicely responded to someone's comment, they responded back ending with "take a xanax", I took offense and reported them and I ended up with 2 infractions (my first ever) that I didn't quite understand. One was retracted after the fact. But anyway, don't worry I didn't go far.
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It's all good man, I was a mod on phandroid and dabled a little here for a fraction of a second i get it.
I'd love to still help you test and do things lol, just got this phone and was like "yay something with ROMs!!! I can tinker!"
Then you went poof (with good reason) and I just said awe man XD just my luck.
Do what you need to to save your sanity
Those of us who get it will be here to play.

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It's pretty sad that people think Qualcomm support is dead because I left. I'm nobody special. I can't believe nobody else has posted any ROMs other than squid2 and one guy just trying to spread around his donation link more trying to make money off other peoples work basically. I'm going to pm a select few of you guys with a link to somewhere we can do this on our own terms. I know you guys all probably think I'm a ****, but I'm really not. I got pissed because I very calmly and nicely responded to someone's comment, they responded back ending with "take a xanax", I took offense and reported them and I ended up with 2 infractions (my first ever) that I didn't quite understand. One was retracted after the fact. But anyway, don't worry I didn't go far.
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I would jump in, but I had to cut my home internet for financial reasons. I have the CDMA version so the current ROMs weren't of use to me yet. I feel kinda useless right now, lol. I might be able to go to an unlimited plan (another $15 a month) instead of my current 10GB. Just setting up my new phone (and wife's) used most of my data. I'll figure something out. Thanks for laying so much groundwork bro.

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I would jump in, but I had to cut my home internet for financial reasons. I have the CDMA version so the current ROMs weren't of use to me yet. I feel kinda useless right now, lol. I might be able to go to an unlimited plan (another $15 a month) instead of my current 10GB. Just setting up my new phone (and wife's) used most of my data. I'll figure something out. Thanks for laying so much groundwork bro.
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I hear you. I had to do the same thing being laid off for a while, waiting for a call from my union hall to go back to work. Also why I haven't acquired another E4 for testing, and can't have my phone down so I don't miss a call. If it wasn't for my unlimited plan with boost, I wouldn't be doing much right now. I can build a ROM way faster than I can upload it. Sometimes I go to a near by coffee shop and have a cup or 2 and make use of the free WiFi.
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I hear you. I had to do the same thing being laid off for a while, waiting for a call from my union hall to go back to work. Also why I haven't acquired another E4 for testing, and can't have my phone down so I don't miss a call. If it wasn't for my unlimited plan with boost, I wouldn't be doing much right now. I can build a ROM way faster than I can upload it. Sometimes I go to a near by coffee shop and have a cup or 2 and make use of the free WiFi.
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Yeah I get to work like an hour early (air conditioning tech) to use the wifi at our shop for ROM updates on my Nexus 9, lol.