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Hey all - one of the things I'd like to see the Android Browser pick up is Flash mobile or Silverlight... Thought I'd make this thread to keep up with news. Last I heard, Silverlight was going to make it possible, but Google was trying to keep Adobe out of it.
Would be awesome to have some Flash Apps and a browser that could run it or something similar!
Anyone else feel the same?
Two of my favorite sites, zillow.com and redfin.com dont work on G1 because of flash.
That would be nice,I was wondering myself if when u visit a website that says u need adobe falsh player,get it here has anyone tried to download it from the website link or you can't?
jkiller122 said:
That would be nice,I was wondering myself if when u visit a website that says u need adobe falsh player,get it here has anyone tried to download it from the website link or you can't?
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It just sends you to the standard download place for linux. Doesn't have any in the android format. We'll just have to wait. Luckily, I don't think there's anything stopping adobe from making a flash plugin for the android browser since any1 can make any plugin for anything on android.
[email protected] said:
It just sends you to the standard download place for linux. Doesn't have any in the android format. We'll just have to wait. Luckily, I don't think there's anything stopping adobe from making a flash plugin for the android browser since any1 can make any plugin for anything on android.
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It took Adobe 8 years to make the first flash player? I dont think we still have a real flash player for the WM6. Skyfire just blasted through and pretty much suppots everything under the moon on WM6. I wish Skyfire would port on Andriod on day.
Its really stupid that Youtube.com and Google Video websites dont open up on Android, they are both owned by Google!
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Its really stupid that Youtube.com and Google Video websites dont open up on Android, they are both owned by Google!
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Both YouTube and Google video are supported out of the box on the G1.
OK, so they open outside of the browser, but it's no more effort than it would be otherwise.
jonbass said:
Both YouTube and Google video are supported out of the box on the G1.
OK, so they open outside of the browser, but it's no more effort than it would be otherwise.
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Ok so YouTube I understand opens in a special software and not inside the familiar browser. How do you open Google Videos?
And there is a big difference between supporting an industry accepted format (flash) and "supporting" flash based YouTube in a special app. There are hundreds of sites we cant access without Flash. What about Hulu and all other good stuff on the web?
Silverlight support on the G1 would be a wonderful thing because THIS and ONLY THIS will encourage Adobe to EVER support flash on the G1.
Don't believe me?
There has never been simultaneous releases of Adobe Flash Player for *nix and windoze but then Microsoft announces Silverlight support for Linux. The result is Adobe Flash Player 10 for both Windows and Linux released at the same time.
Someone just needs to make up some false story about Silverlight working on Android and get enough people to go along with it until Adobe catches wind of it. Then we'll see flash support, but until Adobe has a reason to support Flash on Android we are never going to see it.
joshtheitguy said:
Someone just needs to make up some false story about Silverlight working on Android and get enough people to go along with it until Adobe catches wind of it. Then we'll see flash support, but until Adobe has a reason to support Flash on Android we are never going to see it.
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Hahahah yeah let's trick adobe into making flash player for android
i want flash capatibility as well. i noticed we dont have it when i tried to veiw my Photobucket account. the load just keeps looping itself.
i was temped to download te Flash mobile, but was scared it'd brick the phone so i opted not to
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Both YouTube and Google video are supported out of the box on the G1.
OK, so they open outside of the browser, but it's no more effort than it would be otherwise.
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Google video works- if it happens to be a Youtube link. There are some 3gp sites like Tinytube that work, but the video buffer underrun is so bad the stream of frames bleeds into each other.
Flash on Android is probably having the same issues as Coreplayer trying to create codecs for Android. The "Java" layer and GSsteamers have to be gone through and this is causing heavy cpu overhead and causing the need to create more complex codecs. The video apps on the g1 market now are simply interfaces for the built in function of the Android OS- no codecs.
I agree that Flash would rock on the G1, but some sites would still be problematic if flash as not an imbedded function of the browser. Videos links would work, but files imbedded into the pages or scripts may not work well- if at all.
We might have to wait until Google goes with Flash and upgrades the OS.
Flash Player on the way...
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-new...+Remains+Left+Out+as+Android+Scores+Flash.htm
Read about it. Seems like apple played Adobe and will now make it sooner for the android? Fully functional flash player 10. Nice!
Engadget link:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/17/finally-proper-banner-ads-for-android-flash-demoed-on-a-g1/
Flash on Android
Apparently, it's already been done - this tablet PC running Android has Flash -
http://blogs.zdnet.com/gadgetreviews/?p=1410&tag=nl.e539
Sounds like overselling before release to me. I recall there was a handset announced recently that stated support for Word and Excel, I think we all know that doesn't exist yet.
i remember back in december watching a video of flash fully working on a G1 and it's still not been released.
suppose it was buggy as hell or too good/not good enough for the phone, **** knows.
benmyers2941 said:
Sounds like overselling before release to me. I recall there was a handset announced recently that stated support for Word and Excel, I think we all know that doesn't exist yet.
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not sure if thats sarcasm or not but assuming it isn't, windows mobile has supported word, excel, powerpoint and onenote for a while now...
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not sure if thats sarcasm or not but assuming it isn't, windows mobile has supported word, excel, powerpoint and onenote for a while now...
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Sorry I should have clarified. They were claiming it on and Android handset.
I found the link too...
http://www.generalmobile.com/new/Default.aspx?PageName=Products&ProductId=200
Flash 10 anyone?
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_7-10164745-78.html
Adobe announces Flash for Android and some others (iPhone looks to be out)
http://www.googleandblog.com/adobe-announces-flash-for-android-at-mobile-world-congress-in-barcelona/3785/
So I have some thoughts on what would make improvments to the devices over all user experiance.
The finger reader is cool, If we could use it to identify two or three people /and/or Have a multi-user support then in the Laptop regard it would be better. Even if it was just Owner/Guest support. I realize that any access other then Owner would open security risk but on the laptop mode this could be a neat thing.
Also Since it is running a lame version of Ubuntu it should support multi user. The Webtop OS, can/should/may support it where I realize that Android isn't really ment for this, it would be a neat option on both OS's.
We really need package manager support in the Webtop. I can't view my bank account correctly due to lack of Java support in firefox and When I attempt to DL and install it, it can't because there is not a package manager. I haven't hacked much at it but it is not there by default.
Of course once the Double rainbow, as some call it, is out then this will be a non-point hence more of a gripe, but if your going to make Ubuntu into a web base OS, why not use Chrome OS, at least it has a App store and a great web browser. (not that firefox isn't but I've been doing chrome since beta).
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Of course once the Double rainbow, as some call it, is out then this will be a non-point hence more of a gripe, but if your going to make Ubuntu into a web base OS, why not use Chrome OS, at least it has a App store and a great web browser. (not that firefox isn't but I've been doing chrome since beta).
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*sigh* I really wish people would get their heads straight, because I keep seeing this over and over.
Look.
Nobody has access to the source for Chrome OS except for Google. Chrome OS hasn't been released out of beta yet. This isn't a Google Experience device, so there's no chance in hell that it would have Chrome OS.
Similarly, before you ask for Chrome, nobody (except Google, probably) has access to Chrome for ARM, since source isn't available for that either.
Hi,
I have been doing some research and I just hit a wall and can't go any further.
I work for a software company that builds it's own products and has a lot of clients.
I've always liked the idea of webtop but never got around to even look at it as a laptop replacement till now upto an extent.
I installed Debian on webtop and tried to get vpn to work and failed miserably. Not to mention I haven't touched linux in 10 years.
What I need to keep webtop/lapdock:
Clean/Lightweight environment with fully functional browser.
Ability to remote desktop.
Ability to connect to vpn on clients' side and remote into servers to fix small issues.
Ability to mess with the portal we have to update quick changes for clients.
I know you can't do it all out of the box.
I installed Debian but got stuck on installing Cisco Anyconnect.
Installed openconnect but can't connect as it says no tun/tap driver found.
gnome-panel doesn't work but I can live with webtop panels but my OCD kills me having firefox and iceweasel both.
Iceweasel can't have flash and plugins as I could not find any plugins for armel.
All plugins are for i386 or amd64.
My simple question is:
Can I do all this from this webtop or I should just keep carrying laptop.
Can I carry lapdock when I go for vacation and stuff to not worry about a $1500 laptop and just carry $200 lapdock so I can still do something if sh*t hits the fan.
I think I wrote a long enough story to give you guys a basic understanding.
Any help/input would be greatly appreciated.
If lapdock can't replace laptop for basic needs of a software developer then I might as well just sell it and move to Droid 2 Global.
:flameSuitOn: just in case
Thank you in advance for your time and effort.
I just don't think the webtop idea is quite there yet. Im personally in the IT industry and tried to use the atrix as my primary device while being on the road and simply failed. I was able to get gnome-panel working amongst other things but its far too sluggish. Try logmein and see what happens lol. The concept is truely amazing but that's as far as it goes.
Now if all you need to do is vpn, log into routers/switches etc it will do the job. Its much easier then pulling out a laptop and waiting for windows to boot. But anything extensive, Java or Flash based is impossible.
Just my. 02 cents.
It's a little difficult to try to use the lapdock as your primary device. I personally use it as my laptop at college (i have a desktop in my room) I can rdp into my desktop just fine, and access all programs from there, but the experience is definitely a bit laggy. You can try to get it a bit faster if you overclock, but that's a whole other can of worms. Firefox 6 runs, and can use most add-ons...
Personally, I might look into something like the ASUS Transformer Prime, once the dev scene there gets into gear. I think if they could get a full ubuntu (or any linux distro) running, it would be a far better experience on Tegra 3. But then you wouldn't have a smartphone...
Why don't you try it out? See how well it works if you try and use it as your daily work computer for a couple of weeks. I know other's have installed pretty much every ARM compiled program for ubuntu, including gnome panel, so it wouldn't hurt to try.
Faux updated his kernal to use zram this is supposed to help speed up webtop once activated
Just thought I'd add that in
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Sorry to hear all of you failing with the Lapdock...
In my case it's been a great and convenient alternative. I work as a Network Administrator.
All I need is a browser, internet access (3G or wifi) and LogMeIn account (the free one works great).
I remote into my corporate computers and servers to do most if not all of my work. No need to vpn as before since all resources are available once I get on my corporate computer via LogMeIn. Just install LogMeIn on your main computer, secure it and you are done!
There's actually no need to mod webtop or add any other feature.
Rayan said:
Sorry to hear all of you failing with the Lapdock...
In my case it's been a great and convenient alternative. I work as a Network Administrator.
All I need is a browser, internet access (3G or wifi) and LogMeIn account (the free one works great).
I remote into my corporate computers and servers to do most if not all of my work. No need to vpn as before since all resources are available once I get on my corporate computer via LogMeIn. Just install LogMeIn on your main computer, secure it and you are done!
There's actually no need to mod webtop or add any other feature.
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I am with you on this. I am a server/desktop engineer and do some of the same tasks you speak of. it works great for a little bit I need. I am running the debian mod and the LXTerm is epic for what I need. I also use Citrix from my phone fullscreen and this also works really well if I am in a pinch and need access to our proprietary junk. I think if the CM webtop ever gets setup, it will be more of a linux box than a slim halfbaked ubuntu that moto uses(im hoping). All in all though, it works for what I need with my other tools. I also found I can use app "VPN Widget" over the 4G connection and I hook straight in to our network no citrix needed. It wont work for the wifi, but that is a limitation of the app. I agree, at times its slow for some flash based things, but really flash is a RAM whore anyhow. I also noticed a quirk with java not being installed, but I may try to tackle that this afternoon
Thansk Rayan, I thought about Logmein but I just think it's kind of slow if you want to do something quick and get out, you know?
LXTerm? What does that do?
I tried installing Cisco Anyconnect VPN and it killed webtop, started again and wondering what other vpn would work like cisco anyconnect client.
I'm a sysadmin, and I have completely replaced my laptop with the ATRIX and its webtop. But we run Citrix XenApp and XenDesktop at work, so I mainly use webtop or the android receiver to connect to my hosted apps and desktops. For that purpose the ATRIX really is the nirvana phone.
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hey guys i am an absolute noob at all this stuff, but im a uni student with an a500. It really annoys me that each note taking app just lacks in different ways, but none of them are capable for solid note taking for lectures. Im looking for 'MS word' which for obvious reasons will not pop up on android anytime soon, so i was wondering if i could somehow get windows running on the iconia tab. Im not asking for a dual boot or anything, just like a virtual machine or something, but again, i don't want something like splashtop remoted desktop client or anything, because then i might aswell just use my computer. My tablet is on 3.2.1, so if i have to root it, please tell me that aswell. I downloaded VMware view from the market, but have NO idea whatsoever how to get things running. Please tell me if it is another desktop streamer, because thats not what i wanted at all. If it isnt, then could someone please tell me how to use it?
thankyou
check out splash top in the market. It's cheaper on Amazon app store. You can remote connect to windows even over the internet. If you have wifi at school. Fast enough to stream and play computer games on the tablet.
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colonel187 said:
check out splash top in the market. It's cheaper on Amazon app store. You can remote connect to windows even over the internet. If you have wifi at school. Fast enough to stream and play computer games on the tablet.
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Wow, you didn't read his post at all, did you? He clearly said NO splashtop or such.
As for the OP: no, you cannot run Windows on A500 in any meaningful way. Emulating a complete different architechture would simply bring the tablet down to a crawl. Vmware view afaikis for use with vmware server, btw.
This isn't really an answer to your specific question, but have you tried Freenote from the market? It works pretty well for me, and allows for both typing and freehand writing with a stylus. A bit cumbersome until you get used to it, but after messing with it for a bit, I manage a pretty damn fast freehand writing speed with it.
As far as Windows goes, its like WereCatf said...not a thing available that would do what you want. At least not that I can find.
You can't run windows, but you could use supernote, that's what I use.
It's laying around this forum, just do a search.
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Wow, you didn't read his post at all, did you? He clearly said NO splashtop or such.
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I must have missed that. Thanks for being an ass hole about it.
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I must have missed that. Thanks for being an ass hole about it.
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You're wholly welcome.
VMWare View is not what you are looking for.
View is merely a client to connect and deliver virtual machines from a pre-existing VMWare ESX / vSphere / vCenter setup... which is thousands of dollars in infrastructure and licensing.
The 'next best thing' so to speak would be to run Linux (debian) in a chroot (which is basically a very crude form of virtualization, requiring the two OSes to be similar enough to run on the same kernel)... To run Windoze on a simulated x86 CPU, qemu should work but it'll probably be way too slow (it's slow enough running Android ARM on my 2x2.2GHz machine with hardware virtualization support -- which Tegra doesn't have).
EDIT: The best way to get Linux chroot is to use Linux Installer from the market. Many tutorials on the web tell don't tell you about that, unfortunately.
getting an emulator onto the tablet would waste battery life like crazy.. i see no benefit to running virtualized desktop from the tablet for note taking purposes.
what about just an MS office-like app... OfficeSuite Pro does the job for me with note taking...
it syncs up with google docs / box / and dropbox accounts. paired with my bluetooth keyboard and usb mouse i never have issues taking notes.
First as has already been pointed out emulating windows in order to just take notes is rather stoopid. There are many apps that will let you make and edit word documents quite well. Secondly if you want to do windows things on your tablet, dolphin (or other remote desktop) is the way to go. Hell vmware view is a remote desktop where you are only using a portion of the server. With fast wifi Dolphin is really really nice.
This was part of a discussion I had with a friend lately. I argued that windows 8/RT desktop environment looked fug-ugly compared to WP8/ModernUI and that it needed a MAJOR overhaul. Because TBH windows still looks generally the same now, as it did 10-15 years ago & is only really optimised for displays that are 13-24". But the thing is I see windows going to larger displays (HTPC's and Living Room PC's) and smaller ones (Handsize tablets) and windows on these displays just doesn't function nice.
However, my friend argues that they couldn't change the entire UI/UX of the desktop environment because too much legacy stuff will look out of place and be confusing. I understand this may be the case in a business environment where loads of a wide range of diverse and unique tailored software is used BUT I don't think it's a problem for the average home PC user.
The way I see it is that most people only use a couple of different applications on their home PC/laptop and I'm pretty sure it's only a handful of applications would need updating to the new UI for consumers to not have headaches.
So I was wondering, what do you actually run on a day-to-day basis?
Here's mine.
DAILY:
Chrome
VLC
Office
Adobe Reader
Dropbox* (Doesn't have a UI :laugh: )
That's mine! If MS came up with a much more unified ModernUI inspired desktop, I would only need 5 developers to update their app to the same style and I'd be happy.
All the major web browsers (everything from IE to Opera), not that web browser developers have been respecting their platforms' UI conventions for the last few years anyhow.
Office (mostly Word, OneNote, and Outlook).
Pidgin.
Steam (not that its terribly respectful of UI conventions either).
Windows Explorer (obviously built-in, but the TIFKAM "replacements" are crap unless you have reallllly fat fingers and no mouse).
Various terminal apps (cmd, powershell, bash, etc.).
Visual Studio.
A bunch of others that aren't "every day" but are needed for my job and such, although they rarely get run on my home system.
A bunch of full-screen games, but I suppose those don't count.
On my Acer W510, I've installed:
Chrome - works better than IE with AirDroid for connecting w/my Android phone
iTunes - still use my 7 y/o iPod in my car
Zune - can download 10 drm-free songs monthly on the grandfathered Zune pass subscription
Dropbox
Google Drive
Skydrive - can't upload folders w/the Win store app
Office
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I use dropbox,quake 3,vlc,microsoft office,evernote,pidgin,winamp and WinRAR
Here's what I use normally:
WinSCP
PuTTY
Hyper-V
A few Hyper-V terminals
Pandora One Desktop App
NetBalancer
Mumble
Opera
Firefox
Chrome
Steam
Deluge Manager
Task Manager
Visual Studio 2012 (and various related tools, such as windbg or remote debuggers)
Skype (Desktop Skype, Metro Skype has issues)
X-Chat (Hexchat)
WinRAR
VLC
Xming
Netbeans
Of all of these, the only ones I could see realistically being reproduced in Metro are:
Opera
Firefox
Chrome
Steam
Skype (Well, it is, but I can't get the Metro Skype to stay connected for any length of time)
Mumble
Pandora
X-Chat (Any decent IRC client would do, but there weren't any last I looked)
PuTTY (It could be ported, though I think it would work far better as a window)
VLC
Xming
netham45 said:
Of all of these, the only ones I could see realistically being reproduced in Metro are:
Opera
Firefox
Chrome
Steam
Skype (Well, it is, but I can't get the Metro Skype to stay connected for any length of time)
Mumble
Pandora
X-Chat (Any decent IRC client would do, but there weren't any last I looked)
PuTTY (It could be ported, though I think it would work far better as a window)
VLC
Xming
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Chrome already has (a really poor, is just the desktop browser without any options) Metro browser, Firefox has a beta version that looks and acts like an Android app. Gabe Newell is ****ting his pants over Windows 8 because it cuts him out of game sales completely: the Windows Store is already Steam. I don't know what Mumble is. There is already a third-party Pandora client that is excellent. There are already multiple IRC clients for Windows Metro. A TTY app needs to be Windowed? You really believe that? I run PuTTY on my eMate, let's be real here. VLC is begging for money so that they can decide how and when they want to make a VLC for Metro. I have already moved to MPC-HC and CCCP. I think you will see something like XBMC for Metro before any of the others because it is more portable in terms of being self-contained and not needing to hose down the system with files and registry entries to operate correctly.
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Chrome already has (a really poor, is just the desktop browser without any options) Metro browser, Firefox has a beta version that looks and acts like an Android app. Gabe Newell is ****ting his pants over Windows 8 because it cuts him out of game sales completely: the Windows Store is already Steam. I don't know what Mumble is. There is already a third-party Pandora client that is excellent. There are already multiple IRC clients for Windows Metro. A TTY app needs to be Windowed? You really believe that? I run PuTTY on my eMate, let's be real here. VLC is begging for money so that they can decide how and when they want to make a VLC for Metro. I have already moved to MPC-HC and CCCP. I think you will see something like XBMC for Metro before any of the others because it is more portable in terms of being self-contained and not needing to hose down the system with files and registry entries to operate correctly.
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Gabe Newell is going crazy because of competition. The Store is not replacing Steam, the games in it are at a different level (mobile casual games) than the desktop games from Steam.
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The way I see it is that most people only use a couple of different applications on their home PC/laptop and I'm pretty sure it's only a handful of applications would need updating to the new UI for consumers to not have headaches.
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While I'm sure there are a lot of people who don't use their PC's for much beyond e-mail and the web, I think you're vastly underestimating the number of people who DO use more than just a handful of basic applications.
On a typical day, I use:
At least 3 to 4 programs from the Adobe Master Collection, and I need frequent access to all but maybe 3.
Several 3D programs including LightWave 3D and Luxology Modo.
SmartFTP
Virtualbox
Tight VNC client
All the major web browsers
Several small utilities like notepad++, Media Player Classic, etc.
That's my biggest criticism of the new UI - it pretty much assumes no one does anything productive with their computers. If Microsoft truly thought it was the future, why isn't Office fully Metro complaint? Because a touch UI is simply not an efficient way to control applications with ANY degree of complexity.
I appreciate this thread, as I am considering what I really do with my legacy apps that I can't do on rt. I use office, and adobe, but really on a day to day basis that is really it. Office 2013 works with metro ui, so I wonder just how beneficial legacy apps, other than games that are desktop, are going to be in the future. I have the Sammy Ativ smartpc 500t btw. I love it, but really dig the look and design of the surface. RT made me go with the intel run tablet, and I know the surface pro is coming out, but a bit pricey. Anyway, as I say, the two main legacy apps I use are office and adobe.
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Chrome already has (a really poor, is just the desktop browser without any options) Metro browser, Firefox has a beta version that looks and acts like an Android app. Gabe Newell is ****ting his pants over Windows 8 because it cuts him out of game sales completely: the Windows Store is already Steam. I don't know what Mumble is. There is already a third-party Pandora client that is excellent. There are already multiple IRC clients for Windows Metro. A TTY app needs to be Windowed? You really believe that? I run PuTTY on my eMate, let's be real here. VLC is begging for money so that they can decide how and when they want to make a VLC for Metro. I have already moved to MPC-HC and CCCP. I think you will see something like XBMC for Metro before any of the others because it is more portable in terms of being self-contained and not needing to hose down the system with files and registry entries to operate correctly.
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I posted those on that list regardless if they were ported or not to Metro.
Steam is better than Windows 8's games purely because of the already-established userbase/games
Mumble is a VoIP solution geared towards gaming
The third-party Pandora client, while decent, still has some standby issues on Windows RT. I'm hoping the official client (if/when it comes out) will have these solved.
Yes, I believe an SSH client is better off windowed. It's nice to be able to have a web browser and multiple SSH clients open on one screen. Also, there's no need to be condescending over a matter of preference.
VLC is looking for aid to help pay off the development costs for a totally-free app they produce, I don't think it's unreasonable for them to ask. MPC-HC requires codec packs (such as CCCP), whereas VLC has their codec packs bundled in, making an easier all-in-one install. I do agree that XBMC is a likely candidate for being ported first.
Spectredroid said:
Office 2013 works with metro ui
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Anyway, as I say, the two main legacy apps I use are office and adobe.
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Unless I'm mistaken (which I could be), Office 2013 does not work in metro - it's run from the RT desktop ui, so it's not really a "metro" application.
And when you say you use Adobe, what do you mean by that? It could refer to anything from Adobe Acrobat reader to Photoshop, After Effects and the rest of their graphic applications.
If you just use Acrobat Reader, there probably is, or will shortly be, a fully metro compliant reader, so that wouldn't be a problem. But if you use one of Adobe's graphics programs, there isn't, and I can't see there ever being, Metro and/or RT versions. First, the ARM architecture just doesn't offer the performance needed for the type of work Adobe's applications were designed to do. And second, the Metro/touch ui just doesn't facilitate the on-screen information density needed for the amount and intracasy of the tools.
Adobe may make "Touch" apps for Metro/RT similar to Photoshop Touch on iOS, but that's extremely limited in features and capabilities.
So if you need to use any of Adobe's main graphics programs, there's your decision right there - RT is out. If you just need to view PDFs, aside from the previously mentioned Office, then RT is a viable option.