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i wanted to start this thread (although i have a feeling it's going to get alot of people going) to defend the poor old HD2.
seems like as always we all got caught up in the hype and now all people want to do is complain...and i have to say myself that i have had enough!
i love the HD2. i used a htc hero before that and an iphone 3Gs before that and would pick the hd2 over all of them.
no phone is perfect, look at the hero forums on xda and modaco they are riddeled with people who's hero is causing them untold problems. the hero out of the box was terrible and it's only after an update that it was usable. and only after the main paul at modaco that it became a great phone.
but out of thr box it sucked. sorry but that's the truth. i had one and loved it but it needed work. the camera is 100% usless etc etc. android is a nice OS i don't disagree with that but for all of it's talk of being "open source" it's not the easiest (esp. for a newby to tweak and optimize.) andoird market although getting bigger is full of useless and uninteresting apps. i found maybe 2 that i liked enough to keep on my hero.
on to the iphone, yes it's the bench mark and yes it's also a great phone but again it's got it's big short comings. only one program at a time and also needs to be jailbroken to have any fun. why oh why do i need to got through so much effort? apple defintley have a great app store though so big pros where due - but for me apps DONT make a phone. my phone is for work, music and movies, not games. i have a ps3 for that.
the hd2 - out of the box a great phone. after some very simple and easy tweaking - an AWESOME phone. sorry guys but i am going to start with the keyboard and say its hands down the best touch screen one on the market. keys are big and easy to use. never had a single problem with it and i write alot of long emails on the phone while travellings. something i found hard on the hero and iphone. yes i didn't want to have to bother with the tweaks but i found a few .cabs that had them doen for me. install - hit go and the phoen is optimized. can you do that on hero or iphone? nope.
the prcessor is amazing, what else can i say. the UI is gorgeous. ok now you are all thinking - what about WinMo?? my personal opinion is you only hit the winmo UI when doing detailed settings, it seems to seldom poke its head out to say hello. although when it does i will agree it looks like sense ui ugly sister but its far from a problem as 90% of what you do is on the sexy htc sense ui.
i personally don't have the camera problems that others are reporting and find the camera to be good. it's not excellent like a sony ericsson but its a good 5mp phone camera.
the music player is great, as good quality as the iphone defintiley. the audio booster works really well. with core player i have watched movies on the phone with no conversion (sorry hero and iphone!) in perfect smooth quality and on the massive screen they look great.
the winmo market place is a joke that i will say, last i checked there were about 20 apps 18 of which you had to pay for - but 5 seconds on google finds you a wealth of free apps. but again for me personally i am not an "app person" so don't care.
this could go on forever but i do think the HD2 was worth the hype and price and i personally love the phone and have no complaints. first phone in a long time that has stopped me from looking to see what was coming out in the coming months.
i am sure many of you will disagree with me but hey we are all allowed a voice!
the hd2 is so close to being a great iphone killer if it has it's keyboard, camera and battery problems fixed...
To be honest, if it seems like a lot of people are complaining or that there are a lot threads about problems, it's because that's what forums get used for! As long as the phone works nicely nobody needs to start a thread about it. If there's a problem then there will be a new thread about it. It's the nature of users!
People who like their phones will just quietly be using away, people who have problems will make noise. If 1000 people have a HD2 and 100 of them are having problems, that's 100 threads about problems and 900 people who are quietly happy. Imagine 900 threads saying how they love/like their phones!
But still, it's probably nice for HTC to see some threads on the internet once in a while saying how good their phone is.
oh i agree people only write if there is a problem but i wanted to defend what i think is an awesome phone and much better than the iphoen for me!
Yup I know, like I said, probably nice for HTC to see threads like this too once in a while
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Yup I know, like I said, probably nice for HTC to see threads like this too once in a while
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congrats on starting this thread! this is fun to read. Of course, people who are happy with their device are not inclined to start threads of how happy they are and, of course, due to that we only see the negative ones, but as you state so well yourself: once in a while it is a joy to read a positive one.
Here here!! Yes we all have come across certain problems with the HD2, but the truth is this hardware and software are by far the best on the market right now. I think a thread praising what HTC has achievedis a good idea. All too often in life we are quick to publicly complain, but not so interested in saying thank you. Well HTC, from me at least, thank you! This is by far the best device I have ever owned. (now can you hurry up and release an update to sort out the little niggles please!)
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and i have to say myself that i have had enough!
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So what you're saying is that no one should be allowed to post on this forum unless they agree with you?
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So what you're saying is that no one should be allowed to post on this forum unless they agree with you?
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How did you manage to interpret the original post as that? It's clear he's positing that there are a number of posts that are about negative aspects of the phone and that this is in fact a post to say that the user is satisfied with his phone. God knows how you translate that as the op saying nobody can post unless they agree with him Unless English is your second language. That's like coming into a post saying "people say chocolate makes you fat and gives you diabetes, well I think chocolate is tasty" and then you saying "are you saying we can't post about chocolate unless we agree with you?"!
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that's IMO not what he means. You have negative comments, which are logical and welcomed, with such a new device, but also pure negativism. This last way of commenting is becoming a bit too prominent lately. That's why he started this thread.
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I read it. (shrug)
"I have had enough" is what he says - he is not simply offering a contrary opinion, he "has had enough" of people posting negative comments - that is, he believes that people should stop posting them.
I very much agree with the OP. There is no reason whatsoever why people should not hold opinions about the HD2 or any device and of course, all devices will have their share of problems.
However, there is a fundamental difference in approach - and usefulness - between a thread that says 'HD2 is the biggest pile of crap ever' and one that says 'The camera has some issues, what can we do to fix them'.
There have been far too many of the former and they serve little purpose. Little wonder that one or two have been questioning whether the originators of such posts are pursuing a different agenda.
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So what you're saying is that no one should be allowed to post on this forum unless they agree with you?
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no of course not! people must speak their minds!! i was just suprised to see hat no one was saying anything good about the HD2 so i wanted to! if people don't like they shoudl say so, i just don't get people who say it's terrible!
Very nice post @Gustopher.
I completely agree!
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How did you manage to interpret the original post as that? It's clear he's positing that there are a number of posts that are about negative aspects of the phone and that this is in fact a post to say that the user is satisfied with his phone. God knows how you translate that as the op saying nobody can post unless they agree with him Unless English is your second language. That's like coming into a post saying "people say chocolate makes you fat and gives you diabetes, well I think chocolate is tasty" and then you saying "are you saying we can't post about chocolate unless we agree with you?"!
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thanks for the support!
ok guys i think people have mis understood WHY i posted what i did.
i didn't start the thread because i feel that the world must agree with me.
i agree 10000% that people MUST state any issues they have with any phone this is how we get improvements! if no one says whats wrong then no one can fix the problem.
BUT - what i wanted to get across was there were so many people saying things like "this phone is ****, i can't use it, it's a waste of money etc etc" which is NOT helpful.
state your case and be constructive. like i said in the original post - no phone is perfect! but i do believe that the hd2 is the best that's out there that's all, but thats MY opinion and no one has to agree. i just wanted to state the case vs the otherphones so people who were saying they wanted to thow their hd2 in the river would realise that whatever phone they get will have problems. SO look at what you have, look at how easy it is to optimize vs other phones and chill....
again i am not god and i am not telling people what to think! just wanted people to stop being stupid and be construtive with commenst that way we can all fix the probelms togeather. that is the idea of teh xda/modaco community no?
by the way there is an update official rom available for the HD2: http://htcpedia.com/news/official-htc-hd2-rom-update.html i have it runnign on mine at the moment and it's great.
keep the comments coming!!
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I read it. (shrug)
"I have had enough" is what he says - he is not simply offering a contrary opinion, he "has had enough" of people posting negative comments - that is, he believes that people should stop posting them.
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I think you're picking on him a bit there. He doesn't say people shouldn't do it. We ALL know the phrase "I've had enough", and it just means we're sick of something. With that in mind, yes, he may like people to stop posting negative comments, but he doesn't actually say that they shouldn't do it.
It didn't sound like an attack, so there was no need to be defensive. Just let it slide, like everyone else did.
I'm glad there's a thread about this. It seems that there are plenty of threads that say things like 'this phone is crap', and 'i'm going to throw this thing off a building' with not much constructive to say (this comment is not aimed at anyone specific, so please don't flame).
I have have now owned four HTC devices - the Kaiser, Raphael, a Pharos PDA with built in GPS that was based on an HTC device (can't remember which one), and now the HD2 - and I can say hands down, the I have had to do less tweaking with the HD2 to get it to where I want it than with any other HTC device I've used.
I didn't have to wait for any program to be developed to hide and rearrange the tabs on the home screen (like every other device I've owned). It plays video well right out of the box - no special tweaking necessary. It plays music with good quality, organizes tracks, displays album art, etc. all right out of the box - no special tweaking required. It displays weather for my location without having to edit the weather database, it actually gets a GPS fix in under 10 minutes (actually in just a few seconds, but you Kaiser and Raphael owners know what I mean), no GPS lag that I can see. All of these were issues I've had with other HTC devices that work perfect out of the box with this phone.
And honestly, I'm not sure why there's all this venom for the WinMo interface. To be honest, even when I'm in the depths of WinMo screens, away from any of the Sense interface, I still find it easy to use and finger-friendly enough - even with the capacative touch screen. I haven't wished for a stylus once! Heck, I can even use Total Commander without issues with no stylus - and I'm a big guy, with big fingers.
This is also the first device in years that I've had without a hardware keyboard - and although there is certainly a period of adjustment, I'm doing fine with the onscreen keyboard now, and am very happy to have a much thinner device.
And seriously, it's may be a small thing to some, but thank God there's finally a 3.5mm jack on an HTC device! I was quite sick and tired of having to carry around adapters, and having my device look like there was a tumor growing out of it (those ugly mini-usb to 3.5 mm w/ power adapters) every time I wanted to plug headphones and a power cable in to it at the same time!
So, hey, thanks to the op for pointing out that there are actually some very good things about this device. And, I'm also thankful that there is a forum like this where we can work together as a community to make our devices better.
One thing that I've not seen mentioned anywhere, and it was HEAVILY sought after by HD users, is the Windows button!
The HD forums always had people talking about mapping a soft key to the start menu, and now we've got a dedicated hardware button!
I must admit, I still find myself going for the start menu with my finger. It'll take a while to get used to this tasty new button, but I'm REALLY glad it's there!
Thanks HTC
Right, the dedicated Windows button is GREAT.
I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well
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I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well
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It will come. There is a major learning curve since this is much coherent than the htc built phones. As for accessories yeah.. But it's only been 2 months, be patent..
i too thought that dev would have jumped all over galaxy S phones right away. i know there is a learning curve from htc phones, but i though they would be all over these as they all have the same basic hardware.
I do appreciate the dev who are here and helping and working
i wish for more accessories too
Honestly, this is the first android phone I've owned, I am quite impressed with the activity by the devs. There seems to be a lot of effort into designing tweaks that will lead to some quality changes to our Vibrants after the bugs are worked out.
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I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well
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If you are unhappy with development roll up your sleeves and start helping.
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If you are unhappy with development roll up your sleeves and start helping.
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i would, but unfortunately i am not a developer. and by adding and removing apps from stock rom back and forth is not really development. i do appreciate the lag fix, its working great so far.
Op please sell your phone, buy an HTC, and have a coke and a smile... quit complaining about one of the best phones in the WORLD market... if still unhappy there is always iPhone.... bye bye...
And I wish moderators here would trash these stupid waaaah waaaah threads.... your complaint is useless unless you are willing to develop, hack, beta test, or otherwise move development along... and to the point of lag fixing and deleting bloatware, YOUR WELCOME FOR THE FREE DEVELOPMENT YOU UNGRATEFUL COMPLAINER!!!
If you really think that all the devs are doing is adding and removing apps then maybe you should just wait for an ota update.
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I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well
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Welcome to being an early adopter of a device.
Op. Sell your phone or use it as a blubt instrument to punch yourself in the vagina.
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Well, I have the phone and my wife bought me a case. I felt in love with it. Amazon's is full of them. My case was worth 9 USD when I first bought it, I can tell u that now there are more expensive ones, the technology is much better.
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kolyan said:
I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well
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if these points you listed are so important to you, why did you buy the phone before these things came along?
If and when I am looking at buying something new I do research before purchasing a product so I know what to expect. It sounds like you assumed these things would be ready day 2 after launch and now that they are not you panties are in a twist.
If this is really the case go look in the mirror and there you will have the person to blame for your aggravation .
I like the phone. and i do think it the best phone on the market (at least for me). But I would probably get Droid X if it wasnt so big.
After some mods to phone, i am very happy with it (except for back cover and 2.1, well and the fact that compass just doesnt work at all), gps works,launcher pro plus is a killer, lag fix works, battery indicator fixed, and obviously removed all crapware, oh and tasker app makes word of difference too.
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Am I one of the few that think 2 months is still early in the development game?
The Nexus One is sold as a developers phone, so it should and is supported as one.
I think the developers have lives and a real job. Making this a fun hobby for most of them. So just relax, be patient and before you know it you will have every tweaked/hacked/themed ROM available for your flashing pleasure.
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if these points you listed are so important to you, why did you buy the phone before these things came along?
If and when I am looking at buying something new I do research before purchasing a product so I know what to expect. It sounds like you assumed these things would be ready day 2 after launch and now that they are not you panties are in a twist.
If this is really the case go look in the mirror and there you will have the person to blame for your aggravation .
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Are actually retarded, so you must make the same stupid point over and over?
We buy stuff when we need it -- like when the old phone breaks, or a plan needs to be renewed.... Most people research a bit, then weigh the pros and cons and take the plunge.
After some use, everyone finds things they like or dislike about their purchase.
But really, why shouldn't we expect to be able to buy by now the dock that Samsung was showing off in their ads way before the phone was available?
Just cleaned this thread and removed some unacceptable comments which absolutely break XDA Rule 2 and usually lead to the suspension of user accounts.
Please stay on topic. Don't post if you have nothing constructive to offer.
Appreciate your cooperation.
WB
kolyan said:
i would, but unfortunately i am not a developer. and by adding and removing apps from stock rom back and forth is not really development. i do appreciate the lag fix, its working great so far.
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Learn how to do something yourself. Idiots, I mean beggers, can't be choosers.
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Learn how to do something yourself. Idiots, I mean beggers, can't be choosers.
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it's easier to post and ***** about how things don't work and to demand others fix them instead of lifting a finger and trying yourself, didn't you know that?
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it's easier to post and ***** about how things don't work and to demand others fix them instead of lifting a finger and trying yourself, didn't you know that?
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Actually, demanding that a product for which you've paid $500 works and it's upgradeable for a reasonable time as long as the hardware supports it (just like a computer), is not *****ing.
When you buy a new car and the radio doesn't work, you don't expect the dealer to tell you to either wait indefinitely, or fix it yourself. Same with this phone.
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Actually, demanding that a product for which you've paid $500 works and it's upgradeable for a reasonable time as long as the hardware supports it (just like a computer), is not *****ing.
When you buy a new car and the radio doesn't work, you don't expect the dealer to tell you to either wait indefinitely, or fix it yourself. Same with this phone.
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Difference the phone works as is, everything works fine on it. You just want it to work "better".
Well I want my myTouch to be better. Yea, they should trade me out to a myTouch Slide! I spent 250!!! dollars on it.
I don't remember the last time I bought a computer and then when the next version of an OS came out I got it for free. Either shut up, or learn to develop on your own.
Hey everyone, so I was reading this post from another Xda'er and was reading comments from almost a year ago from this article Here, I came across a post by a person that read this
"Same. iPhone is the de facto benchmark (for now) that this will likely beat by a good measure. The mitigating factor -- for some -- is if you need the variety of iPhone's apps. It'll be a constant balance between that flexibilit*y and the faster network/mo*re power this device is capable of."
This was on the comments section of the CTIA announcement of the Evo, I just came to the realization that I stopped comparing my phone to the iPhone long ago and actually started Benching it up with other Android Devices. I thought it was pretty funny, I mean I like the iPhone if it was on Sprint I would surely get one but now that I am seeing these new phones its just awesome!
Anyone else have a similar experience thus far?
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Hey everyone, so I was reading this post from another Xda'er and was reading comments from almost a year ago from this article Here, I came across a post by a person that read this
"Same. iPhone is the de facto benchmark (for now) that this will likely beat by a good measure. The mitigating factor -- for some -- is if you need the variety of iPhone's apps. It'll be a constant balance between that flexibilit*y and the faster network/mo*re power this device is capable of."
This was on the comments section of the CTIA announcement of the Evo, I just came to the realization that I stopped comparing my phone to the iPhone long ago and actually started Benching it up with other Android Devices. I thought it was pretty funny, I mean I like the iPhone if it was on Sprint I would surely get one but now that I am seeing these new phones its just awesome!
Anyone else have a similar experience thus far?
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The iPhone never really was the benchmark hardware-wise. They tend to release very competitive hardware for the release period (Ex: iPhone 5 will be one of the most advance phones released on launch) but a month or two later a newer better spec'd phone will be out (Like the SGS vs. iPhone 4). The one thing that the iPhone still continues to do good is in the optimization of it's software. With just one model a year to focus on, Apple will always make sure that iOS squeezes out as much performance from the hardware.
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The iPhone never really was the benchmark hardware-wise. They tend to release very competitive hardware for the release period (Ex: iPhone 5 will be one of the most advance phones released on launch) but a month or two later a newer better spec'd phone will be out (Like the SGS vs. iPhone 4). The one thing that the iPhone still continues to do good is in the optimization of it's software. With just one model a year to focus on, Apple will always make sure that iOS squeezes out as much performance from the hardware.
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Very true. I dont think I was comparing hardware when I first saw these phones, I was a complete noob I still had a samsung rumor let me tell you that phone was priceless it was a little brute! But I never really cared for specs on iPhones it was more or less how smooth the experience is like you said I commend apple with how amazingly optimized their software is. It is just awesome, I really wish android had this but it is still coming into its own my only fear is that new devices will keep being pushed out like candy and new ones will be completely forgotten after less than 6 months this will be the trend, if so android has no stable platform, I think this is fragmentation but hey it keeps getting better and look at the dev community here they do an AMAZING JOB, they are OUR optimizers just wish they had more back pocket to push them and more people to help like Apple does but then again they have to....I think I just typed what I was thinking....oh well hope some of this had a point.
my roommate has an iphone and they were all up in steve jobs bum about how awesome it is and didn't like my evo when I got it (had 2.1at the time) I didnt care much about how great the iphone screen was as it was too small for me, now that I think about it ever since I rooted I can't recall an instance when their iphone did something better
they are talking about how they want to jailbreak it now and I actually thought " how cute that they want to take their little toy out of the box"
my evo is far superior and I dont think the iphone is competition
With all respect, when can this forum grow up and stop with the iPhone comparison and bashing? It's really pretty gross after this long. It's like the little brother who beat his big brother in HORSE once and then talks about it for five years.
I'm not saying Apple deserves to be praised for everything they do, but at some point we should just realized that not only are these devices months old by now, but that in the end, nobody really cares if the iPhone is the "benchmark" or not. iPhone has the popularity, and Apple has the customer base which won't listen to a (bad) word you have to say about their device. You're essentially preaching to the choir with all these threads, and it's not really accomplishing anything.
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With all respect, when can this forum grow up and stop with the iPhone comparison and bashing? It's really pretty gross after this long. It's like the little brother who beat his big brother in HORSE once and then talks about it for five years.
I'm not saying Apple deserves to be praised for everything they do, but at some point we should just realized that not only are these devices months old by now, but that in the end, nobody really cares if the iPhone is the "benchmark" or not. iPhone has the popularity, and Apple has the customer base which won't listen to a (bad) word you have to say about their device. You're essentially preaching to the choir with all these threads, and it's not really accomplishing anything.
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Did you read any of my posts at all. I wasnt bashing the iPhone in any way at all I ACTUALLY SAID I WOULD BUY ONE....I would drop my android phone for an iPhone right now if it was on Sprint but its not and I like android all the same too. I wouldnt mind having both but seriously dude your post accomplished nothing and has proven you didnt read the 2 more verbose posts not that one guys where is he saying his phone can do anything the iPhone can, stop trying to be some hero and be "neutral" when I started this thread not as an iPhone bashing thread I had just realized this point and wanted to see if anyone else had, so before you hijack my thread and at nothing more I PLEAD with you to read what else I have written and edit your post with help information. I actually thing I described fragmentation which Applbots love to talk about Android Fanboys love to omit from their knowledge and sane people who dont really argue over it for we have XDA.
P.S. I dont know where you come from where my opinion doesnt matter, to me it surely does and I could give .02 if it matters to you, the thing is I was curious if anyone else had similar thoughts.
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With all respect, when can this forum grow up and stop with the iPhone comparison and bashing? It's really pretty gross after this long. It's like the little brother who beat his big brother in HORSE once and then talks about it for five years.
I'm not saying Apple deserves to be praised for everything they do, but at some point we should just realized that not only are these devices months old by now, but that in the end, nobody really cares if the iPhone is the "benchmark" or not. iPhone has the popularity, and Apple has the customer base which won't listen to a (bad) word you have to say about their device. You're essentially preaching to the choir with all these threads, and it's not really accomplishing anything.
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Pretty much. When that Iphone drops on Verizon people are REALLY going to see how popular that phone is. There are still a ton of people that want it but wont switch to at&t to get it. Both OS have their advantages but the thing that I still miss about IOS is the apps by far.
sobis1dm said:
With all respect, when can this forum grow up and stop with the iPhone comparison and bashing? It's really pretty gross after this long. It's like the little brother who beat his big brother in HORSE once and then talks about it for five years.
I'm not saying Apple deserves to be praised for everything they do, but at some point we should just realized that not only are these devices months old by now, but that in the end, nobody really cares if the iPhone is the "benchmark" or not. iPhone has the popularity, and Apple has the customer base which won't listen to a (bad) word you have to say about their device. You're essentially preaching to the choir with all these threads, and it's not really accomplishing anything.
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iPhone doesn't have the popularity anymore. Android has been outselling iPhones for months now. So, we have the more popular brand now.
Also, have you ever been on an iPhone forum? All they do is bash Android. They have whole threads dedicated to it. They have fake reviewers ***** about how terrible Androids are:
http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/29/htc-evo-4g/
They write on our YouTube videos (guides, reviews, just showing off the phone because we love it) being little brats and throwing insults my 12 year old brother would shake off and laugh at.
So, for a couple of Android loving Evo owners to complain about iPhone and it's users in a private environment not only shows more maturity than iPhone users, it shows respect to their videos and forums by not flooding the internet with useless, incorrect rabble. We can admit the iPhone owns benchmark without getting our panties in a twist, but even I'm sick of hearing about it on phonedog reviews for Android phones.
Leave them alone, you can avoid conversations like this, if you don't like them, using this guide.
ABSOLUTZERO'S GUIDE TO AVOIDING CONVERSATIONS YOU DON'T WANT TO READ.
Step 1: Hit the back button.
Step 2: Go enjoy the rest of your day.
The theme of your post is: "Sup guys I forgot about the iPhone. It's cool and all but these new things rock"
It's really pathetic. I know you're not the only one. But why can't we just enjoy our device without looking like a bunch of idiot underdogs that take every jab we can?
AbsolutZeroGI said:
iPhone doesn't have the popularity anymore. Android has been outselling iPhones for months now. So, we have the more popular brand now.
Also, have you ever been on an iPhone forum? All they do is bash Android. They have whole threads dedicated to it. They have fake reviewers ***** about how terrible Androids are:
http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/29/htc-evo-4g/
They write on our YouTube videos (guides, reviews, just showing off the phone because we love it).
So, for a couple of Android loving Evo owners to ***** in a safe place to one another about how annoying iPhone and it's users are and how much we hate the phone is not only understandable, it's probably better than if they posted phony reviews and spam youtube videos.
Leave them alone, you can avoid conversations like this, if you don't like them, using this guide.
ABSOLUTZERO'S GUIDE TO AVOIDING CONVERSATIONS YOU DON'T WANT TO READ.
Step 1: Hit the back button.
Step 2: Go enjoy the rest of your day.
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Ok. So he can have input, but I can't have input on his input. Got it.
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Ok. So he can have input, but I can't have input on his input. Got it.
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His input was on topic, your input was not. Of course, mine isn't either so technically we're both trolling now.
sobis1dm said:
The theme of your post is: "Sup guys I forgot about the iPhone. It's cool and all but these new things rock"
It's really pathetic. I know you're not the only one. But why can't we just enjoy our device without looking like a bunch of idiot underdogs that take every jab we can?
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Did you read one WORD even a single sentence, I stated I liked the iPhone, are you trying to troll, this thread needs to be cleaned up.
I admit that title was misleading and was ignorant apologies alright it sounded different to me at the time. It was more personable and was not intended for community interpretation.
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Did you read one WORD even a single sentence, I stated I liked the iPhone, are you trying to troll, this thread needs to be cleaned up.
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The thread doesn't need to be "cleaned up," the forum needs to be cleaned up. I'm pretty sure the name of the forum we're in is "Evo 4G General," as in, related to the Evo 4G - NOT some roundabout broad topic discussion about the iPhone. Go to the more general forums if you want to talk about that. I'll just keep talking about the phone, as this forum was meant, and deterring those who aren't. Sound good?
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His input was on topic, your input was not. Of course, mine isn't either so technically we're both trolling now.
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o/
sobis1dm said:
The thread doesn't need to be "cleaned up," the forum needs to be cleaned up. I'm pretty sure the name of the forum we're in is "Evo 4G General," as in, related to the Evo 4G - NOT some roundabout broad topic discussion about the iPhone. Go to the more general forums if you want to talk about that. I'll just keep talking about the phone, as this forum was meant, and deterring those who aren't. Sound good?
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First off, look at the link I posted, hmmmm thats not on topic at all, nope that is not about the Evo AT ALL, I changed the title of the thread seriously, grow up and drop it and stop hijacking my thread and maybe have some useful input...
Noob question not directed at the troll.
How do I report my own thread?
Blitzpwnage said:
First off, look at the link I posted, hmmmm thats not on topic at all, nope that is not about the Evo AT ALL, I changed the title of the thread seriously, grow up and drop it and stop hijacking my thread and maybe have some useful input...
Noob question not directed at the troll.
How do I report my own thread?
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Okay. Well I'll create a thread next time I'm on the toilet browsing Engadget on my Evo, and it'll be about the Evo. Sound good?
sobis1dm said:
Okay. Well I'll create a thread next time I'm on the toilet browsing Engadget on my Evo, and it'll be about the Evo. Sound good?
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Ummmmm, yea actually what will we be discussing.
P.S. You should police this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=785408
Its the Call of Duty Clan thread on the EVO 4G General section tisk tisk they must be policed... Do your best sobis1dm
Nah. That thread starts, "Flame me if you want." At least he's not blindly defending himself, and knows he's off topic.
I don't think benchmarks matter because... speed doesn't really matter much anymore.
Seriously I haven't had any lag issues with my phone besides the awful GPU.
Nowadays every phone seems to be strong enough to handle anything.
To me, features mean more than specs now... somewhat.
WARNING
this thread is going way off the rails. please stay on topic.
thanx
patelkedar91 said:
I don't think benchmarks matter because... speed doesn't really matter much anymore.
Seriously I haven't had any lag issues with my phone besides the awful GPU.
Nowadays every phone seems to be strong enough to handle anything.
To me, features mean more than specs now... somewhat.
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Speed does matter. Resolutions are increasing, animations and presentation are getting more sophisticated, etc. But the issue isn't the CPU, it's the GPU and I've been saying this for a long time. We don't need a dual core CPU to run the Facebook app; and it's unlikely that we'll be see many apps in the future that require that much power either. It just doesn't fit the on the go and small form factor use case of a smartphone. I still expect the power to increase but I think a much more logical progression in 2011 would be single core Cortex A9. It'd still be way more powerful than anything pre-CES and the power efficiency would be higher especially as the die size decreases even further.
The main bottle neck is the GPU. Think of every app that DOES require power to be smooth and fast: Google Earth, 3D view in Google Maps, fringe features like Live Wallpapers, and of course, games. Basically mobile apps will not need lots of computation power to process tasks but might need graphical power to display the information it outputs. So just pair up a =< 40nm single core A9 with a beast GPU (PowerVR SGX 545 or equivalent), a huge battery (1920 mAh like the Atrix 4G, and why not? the phones are HUGE now), smaller more efficient radios and components, and bam, you got a phone that'll eclipse all current phones, run super smooth, and last all day under heavy use.
Once Android is GPU accelerated it'll be hard if not impossible to tell the difference (visually, not through benchmarks) between a single core and dual core phone that shares the same GPU.
I might be getting the Xoom this Sunday when it goes on sale, but was also looking at the Ipad. I mean which is a better choice right now, since googles announcement about pulling the OS. If you are a developer can't you just program a particular appear for what is already available (Game Apps, New UI, etch)
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here we go again...
what do you mean by 'pulling the os'?
they're not removing honeycomb at all, theyre just not releasing the AOSP as of yet.
aohus said:
here we go again...
what do you mean by 'pulling the os'?
they're not removing honeycomb at all, theyre just not releasing the AOSP as of yet.
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I am sorry, but I was just asking a question, I don't know what AOSP is. I am all for Android and Android development, the main reason for the post was to get opionions on the two devices aforementioned.
I just wanted to hear other opinions on the two devices.
Please use the search button, this has been done so many times in the last 2 weeks, probably 5 threads a day. If you can't find what you need there then come back and ask SPECIFIC questions please.
This is the equivalent of walking into a room full of strangers (say a motorola store in this case) and yelling, "I don't want to contribute at all, but could you all tell me all of the arguments for or against buying a xoom?"
I have the Xoom and I love it! I don't have the IPad but I use it before and didn't really like it. It's basically a big IPod. The IPad have way more apps than the Xoom right now but I really don't download a lot of apps.
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Please use the search button, this has been done so many times in the last 2 weeks, probably 5 threads a day. If you can't find what you need there then come back and ask SPECIFIC questions please.
This is the equivalent of walking into a room full of strangers (say a motorola store in this case) and yelling, "I don't want to contribute at all, but could you all tell me all of the arguments for or against buying a xoom?"
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I will indeed use the search button next time, I just thought asking this question wouldn't cause so much written sarcasm. If you look at the number of post I have posted you can very well see that I am totally new here.
The title off the board said Motorola Xoom, so I thought I would post my question here, since I will be shelling out around 600 dollars Sunday.
So if I am doing something wrong here I apologize. I thought XDA was a friendly community...........
el_bori1 said:
I have the Xoom and I love it! I don't have the IPad but I use it before and didn't really like it. It's basically a big IPod. The IPad have way more apps than the Xoom right now but I really don't download a lot of apps.
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Thanks el_bori for your input, most appreciated.
For a developer, or anyone with a modicum of computer expertise, you HAVE to go Android. There's a lot of things Android does better, just usually with one or two extra steps involved. If you have computer expertise, the Xoom will far surpass anything you could possibly do with an iPad.
here is my advice.
right now, google's tablet market is a nascent industry. its just starting to take off.
if you want to get into all of the tablet goodness right now, i suppose iPad 2 is the way to go, especially if you're into gaming.
i'm not much of an 'app person'
I'm more of a 'web browser' and power 'flash' user, so the xoom fits my needs more so than the iPad.
if you want to go heavy into gaming (as a consumer) then iPad2 is a better fit as the GPU on there is more powerful than tegra2, and there are more games on iOS than android market.
Sh8key said:
I will indeed use the search button next time, I just thought asking this question wouldn't cause so much written sarcasm. If you look at the number of post I have posted you can very well see that I am totally new here.
The title off the board said Motorola Xoom, so I thought I would post my question here, since I will be shelling out around 600 dollars Sunday.
So if I am doing something wrong here I apologize. I thought XDA was a friendly community...........
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It's fine, just read rule #1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
In fact, read them all
I'll be using Sprint for whichever device I select, but I have a few questions first.
The price difference is $100 between the two, with the s3 being more expensive, fine. But how are the colors on either device? I will be rooting of course, and going JB as soon as CM10 comes out for the s3. Also, the DPI is different, correct? I know the resolution is both the same, but the s3 is a little bit bigger than the Nexus.
After that, how is the call quality both microphone and speaker, along with the speaker for ringtones and things like that.
I guess it all comes down to preference, I haven't held either of these devices so I have no idea what I should do. I know the dev community is larger for the Nexus, because it's been out longer.
thanks!
If you must get a phone right now, get the S3 just because it's newer. The Nexus has been out for about 7-8 months, you might as well wait for the next Nexus at this point. With that said, I would've advised my wife to wait for the next Nexus because I hate the fact that non-Nexus devices have to wait forever to get updates, if they get it at all.
seriously not trying to be an ass, but there are at least 4-5 threads about this already.
woshiweili said:
If you must get a phone right now, get the S3 just because it's newer. The Nexus has been out for about 7-8 months, you might as well wait for the next Nexus at this point. With that said, I would've advised my wife to wait for the next Nexus because I hate the fact that non-Nexus devices have to wait forever to get updates, if they get it at all.
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I guess you're right, I'm coming from the Nexus S, so either one is a vast improvement. Something about the hardware for the Nexus just seems a little too bland for me.
Success100 said:
seriously not trying to be an ass, but there are at least 4-5 threads about this already.
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yea sorry about that, I didn't look.
I do have another question though, whats the difference between the carrier specific threads and the overall s3 threads? each one has their own dev page with different roms.
hardware over software end of discussion besides the cm10 we have right now is pretty damn good lol
master acehole said:
hardware over software end of discussion besides the cm10 we have right now is pretty damn good lol
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Does the carrier dev thread matter as to which ROM I download? there is a Sprint specific, then there is a whole other thread that doesn't even mention carriers.
Does Sprint have different specs for this phone? I keep seeing different reviews stating the phone has a dual-core CPU, but other reviews stating it has a quad-core. Can someone clarify.