i wanted to start this thread (although i have a feeling it's going to get alot of people going) to defend the poor old HD2.
seems like as always we all got caught up in the hype and now all people want to do is complain...and i have to say myself that i have had enough!
i love the HD2. i used a htc hero before that and an iphone 3Gs before that and would pick the hd2 over all of them.
no phone is perfect, look at the hero forums on xda and modaco they are riddeled with people who's hero is causing them untold problems. the hero out of the box was terrible and it's only after an update that it was usable. and only after the main paul at modaco that it became a great phone.
but out of thr box it sucked. sorry but that's the truth. i had one and loved it but it needed work. the camera is 100% usless etc etc. android is a nice OS i don't disagree with that but for all of it's talk of being "open source" it's not the easiest (esp. for a newby to tweak and optimize.) andoird market although getting bigger is full of useless and uninteresting apps. i found maybe 2 that i liked enough to keep on my hero.
on to the iphone, yes it's the bench mark and yes it's also a great phone but again it's got it's big short comings. only one program at a time and also needs to be jailbroken to have any fun. why oh why do i need to got through so much effort? apple defintley have a great app store though so big pros where due - but for me apps DONT make a phone. my phone is for work, music and movies, not games. i have a ps3 for that.
the hd2 - out of the box a great phone. after some very simple and easy tweaking - an AWESOME phone. sorry guys but i am going to start with the keyboard and say its hands down the best touch screen one on the market. keys are big and easy to use. never had a single problem with it and i write alot of long emails on the phone while travellings. something i found hard on the hero and iphone. yes i didn't want to have to bother with the tweaks but i found a few .cabs that had them doen for me. install - hit go and the phoen is optimized. can you do that on hero or iphone? nope.
the prcessor is amazing, what else can i say. the UI is gorgeous. ok now you are all thinking - what about WinMo?? my personal opinion is you only hit the winmo UI when doing detailed settings, it seems to seldom poke its head out to say hello. although when it does i will agree it looks like sense ui ugly sister but its far from a problem as 90% of what you do is on the sexy htc sense ui.
i personally don't have the camera problems that others are reporting and find the camera to be good. it's not excellent like a sony ericsson but its a good 5mp phone camera.
the music player is great, as good quality as the iphone defintiley. the audio booster works really well. with core player i have watched movies on the phone with no conversion (sorry hero and iphone!) in perfect smooth quality and on the massive screen they look great.
the winmo market place is a joke that i will say, last i checked there were about 20 apps 18 of which you had to pay for - but 5 seconds on google finds you a wealth of free apps. but again for me personally i am not an "app person" so don't care.
this could go on forever but i do think the HD2 was worth the hype and price and i personally love the phone and have no complaints. first phone in a long time that has stopped me from looking to see what was coming out in the coming months.
i am sure many of you will disagree with me but hey we are all allowed a voice!
the hd2 is so close to being a great iphone killer if it has it's keyboard, camera and battery problems fixed...
To be honest, if it seems like a lot of people are complaining or that there are a lot threads about problems, it's because that's what forums get used for! As long as the phone works nicely nobody needs to start a thread about it. If there's a problem then there will be a new thread about it. It's the nature of users!
People who like their phones will just quietly be using away, people who have problems will make noise. If 1000 people have a HD2 and 100 of them are having problems, that's 100 threads about problems and 900 people who are quietly happy. Imagine 900 threads saying how they love/like their phones!
But still, it's probably nice for HTC to see some threads on the internet once in a while saying how good their phone is.
oh i agree people only write if there is a problem but i wanted to defend what i think is an awesome phone and much better than the iphoen for me!
Yup I know, like I said, probably nice for HTC to see threads like this too once in a while
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Yup I know, like I said, probably nice for HTC to see threads like this too once in a while
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congrats on starting this thread! this is fun to read. Of course, people who are happy with their device are not inclined to start threads of how happy they are and, of course, due to that we only see the negative ones, but as you state so well yourself: once in a while it is a joy to read a positive one.
Here here!! Yes we all have come across certain problems with the HD2, but the truth is this hardware and software are by far the best on the market right now. I think a thread praising what HTC has achievedis a good idea. All too often in life we are quick to publicly complain, but not so interested in saying thank you. Well HTC, from me at least, thank you! This is by far the best device I have ever owned. (now can you hurry up and release an update to sort out the little niggles please!)
RR
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So what you're saying is that no one should be allowed to post on this forum unless they agree with you?
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So what you're saying is that no one should be allowed to post on this forum unless they agree with you?
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How did you manage to interpret the original post as that? It's clear he's positing that there are a number of posts that are about negative aspects of the phone and that this is in fact a post to say that the user is satisfied with his phone. God knows how you translate that as the op saying nobody can post unless they agree with him Unless English is your second language. That's like coming into a post saying "people say chocolate makes you fat and gives you diabetes, well I think chocolate is tasty" and then you saying "are you saying we can't post about chocolate unless we agree with you?"!
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that's IMO not what he means. You have negative comments, which are logical and welcomed, with such a new device, but also pure negativism. This last way of commenting is becoming a bit too prominent lately. That's why he started this thread.
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I read it. (shrug)
"I have had enough" is what he says - he is not simply offering a contrary opinion, he "has had enough" of people posting negative comments - that is, he believes that people should stop posting them.
I very much agree with the OP. There is no reason whatsoever why people should not hold opinions about the HD2 or any device and of course, all devices will have their share of problems.
However, there is a fundamental difference in approach - and usefulness - between a thread that says 'HD2 is the biggest pile of crap ever' and one that says 'The camera has some issues, what can we do to fix them'.
There have been far too many of the former and they serve little purpose. Little wonder that one or two have been questioning whether the originators of such posts are pursuing a different agenda.
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no of course not! people must speak their minds!! i was just suprised to see hat no one was saying anything good about the HD2 so i wanted to! if people don't like they shoudl say so, i just don't get people who say it's terrible!
Very nice post @Gustopher.
I completely agree!
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How did you manage to interpret the original post as that? It's clear he's positing that there are a number of posts that are about negative aspects of the phone and that this is in fact a post to say that the user is satisfied with his phone. God knows how you translate that as the op saying nobody can post unless they agree with him Unless English is your second language. That's like coming into a post saying "people say chocolate makes you fat and gives you diabetes, well I think chocolate is tasty" and then you saying "are you saying we can't post about chocolate unless we agree with you?"!
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thanks for the support!
ok guys i think people have mis understood WHY i posted what i did.
i didn't start the thread because i feel that the world must agree with me.
i agree 10000% that people MUST state any issues they have with any phone this is how we get improvements! if no one says whats wrong then no one can fix the problem.
BUT - what i wanted to get across was there were so many people saying things like "this phone is ****, i can't use it, it's a waste of money etc etc" which is NOT helpful.
state your case and be constructive. like i said in the original post - no phone is perfect! but i do believe that the hd2 is the best that's out there that's all, but thats MY opinion and no one has to agree. i just wanted to state the case vs the otherphones so people who were saying they wanted to thow their hd2 in the river would realise that whatever phone they get will have problems. SO look at what you have, look at how easy it is to optimize vs other phones and chill....
again i am not god and i am not telling people what to think! just wanted people to stop being stupid and be construtive with commenst that way we can all fix the probelms togeather. that is the idea of teh xda/modaco community no?
by the way there is an update official rom available for the HD2: http://htcpedia.com/news/official-htc-hd2-rom-update.html i have it runnign on mine at the moment and it's great.
keep the comments coming!!
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I read it. (shrug)
"I have had enough" is what he says - he is not simply offering a contrary opinion, he "has had enough" of people posting negative comments - that is, he believes that people should stop posting them.
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I think you're picking on him a bit there. He doesn't say people shouldn't do it. We ALL know the phrase "I've had enough", and it just means we're sick of something. With that in mind, yes, he may like people to stop posting negative comments, but he doesn't actually say that they shouldn't do it.
It didn't sound like an attack, so there was no need to be defensive. Just let it slide, like everyone else did.
I'm glad there's a thread about this. It seems that there are plenty of threads that say things like 'this phone is crap', and 'i'm going to throw this thing off a building' with not much constructive to say (this comment is not aimed at anyone specific, so please don't flame).
I have have now owned four HTC devices - the Kaiser, Raphael, a Pharos PDA with built in GPS that was based on an HTC device (can't remember which one), and now the HD2 - and I can say hands down, the I have had to do less tweaking with the HD2 to get it to where I want it than with any other HTC device I've used.
I didn't have to wait for any program to be developed to hide and rearrange the tabs on the home screen (like every other device I've owned). It plays video well right out of the box - no special tweaking necessary. It plays music with good quality, organizes tracks, displays album art, etc. all right out of the box - no special tweaking required. It displays weather for my location without having to edit the weather database, it actually gets a GPS fix in under 10 minutes (actually in just a few seconds, but you Kaiser and Raphael owners know what I mean), no GPS lag that I can see. All of these were issues I've had with other HTC devices that work perfect out of the box with this phone.
And honestly, I'm not sure why there's all this venom for the WinMo interface. To be honest, even when I'm in the depths of WinMo screens, away from any of the Sense interface, I still find it easy to use and finger-friendly enough - even with the capacative touch screen. I haven't wished for a stylus once! Heck, I can even use Total Commander without issues with no stylus - and I'm a big guy, with big fingers.
This is also the first device in years that I've had without a hardware keyboard - and although there is certainly a period of adjustment, I'm doing fine with the onscreen keyboard now, and am very happy to have a much thinner device.
And seriously, it's may be a small thing to some, but thank God there's finally a 3.5mm jack on an HTC device! I was quite sick and tired of having to carry around adapters, and having my device look like there was a tumor growing out of it (those ugly mini-usb to 3.5 mm w/ power adapters) every time I wanted to plug headphones and a power cable in to it at the same time!
So, hey, thanks to the op for pointing out that there are actually some very good things about this device. And, I'm also thankful that there is a forum like this where we can work together as a community to make our devices better.
One thing that I've not seen mentioned anywhere, and it was HEAVILY sought after by HD users, is the Windows button!
The HD forums always had people talking about mapping a soft key to the start menu, and now we've got a dedicated hardware button!
I must admit, I still find myself going for the start menu with my finger. It'll take a while to get used to this tasty new button, but I'm REALLY glad it's there!
Thanks HTC
Right, the dedicated Windows button is GREAT.
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Hi,
I previously used the Wizard and really have to say I miss Windows Mobile meanwhile. So when I first heard about the HD I really was excited as it seemed to be the ideal gadget. Although bigger than most phones not too big, a wonderful screen and so on.
My first disappointment came when I realised HTC hadnt used a capacitive screen, but after all this would have been a minor issue. However meanwhile I am almost convinced I will not get an HD due to all the problems people reported about it.
I do not want to spend EUR 600 for something which is chipping after two days of careful usage. Similarly I am not too fond of "constant" freezes of the system itself. Also the mentioned performance issues (mostly in the multimedia related area) do not look very well for such a device.
All this and a few other smaller things along with the non-capacitive screen made me really reconsider my purchase. I am aware that many do not experience these problems, but there are far too many such complaints for me to really risk entering the game.
I am really disappointed as it seemed like a perfect phone initially. At the moment I am waiting for the Asus P565 or the Glaxy7 respectively for the next generation of the M8.
Would you say my concerns are valid? Somehow it seems many are not paid testers but actually paying ones.
Thanks.
I bought HTC's "flagship" phone last year, the Tytn II, and all I can say is the forum here seems very reminiscent of the Kaiser forum back then - lots of people wanting to believe they've paid top dollar for the "ultimate" phone, while so many more people report problem after problem. Dissapointing video and multimedia, questionable build quality, freezing, issues with the GPS - all very familiar.
I believe HTC is trading on a reputation for quality which it no longer deserves. There's no question it's made a number of excellent devices in the past, but I don't believe it's carried that tradition on in the last year or so - their Qualcomm powered devices in particular (like the Tytn II onwards) have generally dissapointed. There's the famous driver issue of course, which I believe still affects the HD to some extent (it has some drivers, but they don't appear to be very good), but moreover the general performance of these chips just doesn't seem to match those used in previous generations, like the original Tytn.
There'll be the usual attempts to shore up HTC's unfinished efforts here with cooked ROMs for the HD soon appearing, just as they did for the Tytn II, but as before there's only so much the devs here can do without anything much to go on - they lack the raw materials in the form of drivers etc themselves. I've tried various ROMs for the Kaiser, none of them truly satisfied, and none of them genuinely improved performance IMO. It can take several months for any real progress to be made, by which time both you and the devs involved will be starting to look for the next phone anyway.
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You guys need some ***** in your lifes. Get out more..
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..........haha
Maybe you should learn to give helpful replies respectively how to behave in a community MAK.
The Hd is my first HTC phone, so I haven't been spoiled by their previous efforts. Mine hasn't chipped and it hasn't frozen once. I'm really enjoying the phone, although it takes some tinkering to get the most out of it obviously - not perhaps a phone for the masses.
The screen looks great, but the responsiveness of the screen is nothing like (ie not as good as) the iphone of course.
Petrov.
My last five phones have all been HTC devices. I started with the SPV M500 then a Blue Angel, Universal, TyTN II and I have recently moved on to a HD. I would just like to redress the balance somewhat.
I have had no quality or reliability issues since my first HTC device, the SPV M500 nor have I had with the HD (2 weeks). All my phones have been worked hard as business devices and I consider that I have always got a very good return on my investment in them.
HTC have been at the leading edge of Windows Mobile device development and have continuously raised the bar with each new device. The HD is a fine example of this. The technology media were salivating at the thought of this device in the weeks and months leading up to its release and judging by the content of the majority of reviews they have not been disappointed. I still marvel at how good this device is and have no doubt will continue to improve as the customized ROMs start to kick in.
There is always a price to pay for being an early adopter and that price is having to accept that there will always be a relatively small amount of development issues in the early days after a product has been released (and we are very much still in the early phase of the HDs life-cycle). There has to be a trade off on the part of the manufacturer in terms of time spent testing a device prior to release and getting a device to market before the technology is overtaken by developments.
It's a fact that people who are happy and content with their devices are a lot less likely to post messages on forums stating this than those with a gripe. This should be borne in mind when weighing up opinions based on forum postings.
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You guys need some ***** in your lifes. Get out more..
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Yeah, the abuse is pretty old too, there's plenty of that in the Kaiser section. It's not easy to take the ***** highground on one of the geekiest forums on earth, but if you've just been jipped on a disappointing phone and someone's pointing out your mistake, I guess it's natural to try.
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My first disappointment came when I realised HTC hadnt used a capacitive screen,
chipping after two days of careful usage.
not too fond of "constant" freezes of the system itself.
Also the mentioned performance issues (mostly in the multimedia related area).
All this and a few other smaller things along with the non-capacitive screen made me really reconsider my purchase. I am aware that many do not experience these problems, but there are far too many such complaints for me to really risk entering the game.
I am really disappointed as it seemed like a perfect phone initially. At the moment I am waiting for the Asus P565 or the Glaxy7 respectively for the next generation of the M8.
Would you say my concerns are valid? Somehow it seems many are not paid testers but actually paying ones.
Thanks.
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Vast majority of the users here do not experience any of the problems you mentioned if you look at the polls conducted. Very small percentage of users do experience it, so you must decide if the risk is worth taking.
Vast majority of the users are extremely satisfied with the device, this is a fact.
So, you need to make your own decision. If you believe there is a device more suited to your need, you should wait for it.
I do not think you're going to find too many people agreeing with your conclusion here though.
On the other hand, if you go to the Asus or iPhone forums, you may find many people supporting your views, but not on this forum.
People are more likely to come forward with problems than if they have no issues. Why not start a poll, you might find that the majority are happy.
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People are more likely to come forward with problems than if they have no issues. Why not start a poll, you might find that the majority are happy.
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Exactly.
In fact, we already have a few polls specifically for those and the results are plain for all to see.
Thanks Petrov and Tony. As I mentioned I know there are many who never experienced the stated problems, but dont you think the amount of people reporting the same problems over and over again (chipping and freezing in particular) hasnt reached already a number which might indicate an actual problem in the manufacturing process?
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so you must decide if the risk is worth taking.
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To be honest, at the moment I am definitely not willing to take the risk. This might change but currently all those reports about the mentioned issues do not convince me unfortunately.
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On the other hand, if you go to the Asus or iPhone forums, you may find many people supporting your views, but not on this forum.
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Where does the Apple forum come from? I did not even mentioned this phone.
As to the three I mentioned they are actually Windows Mobile phone, although from another manufacturer. I just mentioned they would very interesting alternatives.
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People are more likely to come forward with problems than if they have no issues. Why not start a poll, you might find that the majority are happy.
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But then where does the chipping and freezing come from?
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Vast majority of the users here do not experience any of the problems you mentioned if you look at the polls conducted. Very small percentage of users do experience it, so you must decide if the risk is worth taking.
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Hmm. 38% have scratches already: http://forum.xda-developers.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=1122
More than 60% suffer hangs ("frequent" hangs for more than 25%): http://forum.xda-developers.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=1111
Where is this very small percentage you speak of?
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Where does the Apple forum come from? I did not even mentioned this phone.
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No, this isn't directed at you.
Please bear in mind when reading reviews that everyone needs and expectations are different. I agree that this is not the perfect phone and I know that one will never be created.. but if you take all the phones on the market at the moment (with all there faults) then HTC HD is amongs the top. I rarely have freezes and no scratches etc. so for me I am happy with my purchase. I also look forward to improvement that the talented developers in these forum will offer now and in the near future.
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Please bear in mind when reading reviews that everyone needs and expectations are different.
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True, but not true in terms of chipping and freezing. Nobody expects those .
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Hmm. More than half have scratches already: http://forum.xda-developers.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=1122
More than 60% suffer hangs ("frequent" hangs for more than a quarter): http://forum.xda-developers.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=1111
Where is this very small percentage you speak of?
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You can choose to interpret the result anyway you want to suit your already made up conclusion.
Vast number of people give this device 7,8,9,10 rating out of 10.
Device hanging happens but it does not necessarily bother us. I see 8% of the people bothered by it. You see 60% of people "suffer" hangs. If that pleases you, by all means.
We're not going to get a perfect device today. What we have here is the best in existence for many people because it suits their needs best. Yes, it chips and peels to varying degree, but overall still pleased with it.
I'm with mrpetrov and tonyblack on this one...
(EDIT - sorry, and all others who replied in the same vein since I started typing!)
The HD is also my first HTC device, and also my first WM device too.
I would most definately agree that it is not a phone for the masses, and this is probably equally true of HTC's previous devices.
However, the media (and to a certain extent HTC too) have hyped this phone up - typically with 'iPhone killer' tags.
Whist I'm most definately NOT going to get into that tired old argument again , it is true that there is the potential for a large number of people to stumble across the HD as being (on the face of it) a viable alternative to the iPhone.
There will be a number of those people who are disappointed - out of the box, for a novice smartphone user who simply wants to phone / text / play music / browse the web and watch videos, then the HD probably isn't as polished, or easy to use.
These people won't care about, or will be too frightened to find somewhere like this place to work out how to fix and tweak.
So. Back to the point of the OP
Do I feel like a 'paying tester'?
A bit, I guess, yes.
But (and this is not necessarily a good thing, just the way things are), this is nearly always the case for early adopters now.
Xbox 360 - early boxes overheat and get the Red Rings of Death.
iPhone - first versions come without 3G
My previous car (8th gen UK Civic) - early models had rear suspension springs installed up side down, fuel caps got stuck closed, built in hands free mic was rubbish.
These things all got fixed over time - but there is absolutely NO way that the manufacturers hadn't noticed them when the release deadline came around.
Someone somewhere said "right then. We HAVE to release this on such and such a date"
"But boss - we haven't finished testing yet!"
"Tough. The PS3 / iPhone 3G / BMW 1 series is out there, or about to be out there, and we need to get something on the market before we loose all our customers"
"But we'll loose them anyway if it blows up!"
"That's why they pay me the big bucks sonny - now hurry up and finish testing what you can"
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Or something along those lines anyway
Long story (yes, apols for the length of this post!) short - if you want a solid, reliable product that is relatively bug free, then don't buy it on day 1.
* Please note that this conversation was added purely for the purpose of illusttration and probably didn't take place exactly as stated here, or indeed might not have taken place at all, especially at the offices of Microsoft, Honda or Apple. Or any other large corporate who might otherwise be thinking of trying to sue me!
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I wasnt looking for such a phone but I expect reliability and the chipping and freezing stories let me think I cant have it from the HD.
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This is probably true, even though this doesnt make it more right.
HD compared to...
It would appear, that there seems to be a bit of both sides here.
Whilst it can be said, that some devices have really failed the user, and shortcuts appear to have been taken instead of holding back that little bit more.
The HTC club, allows certain content to be downloaded but not other due to your phone supplier. At the end of the day, small things like this tend to stick in the minds of their potential buyers.
My diamond's lasted 3 months (1 handset per month), HTC wouldnt assist, their advice buy a bigger battery, no problems reported. failure to reply to emails.
Every UK phone provider are aware of the battery short comings.
My provider actually realised the issue's with batteries, and put their hands in their pockets, bought a huge battery bank, the diamond ate it, like a beast and wanted more...
Orange UK, wrote the handset off, and agreed to supply & restart contract, due to the problems of the handset.
HTC did nothing!
I have had 4 htc devices - Orange branded M3100, best device, TyTnII, slipping, Diamond - total Avalanche, And now the HD, hope this is better, but only time will tell.
Well all I can say is wow. I was expecting my X10 today but ill have to wait until Monday and now after reading the "wish list" thread im not to sure I will even keep it. To all you users out there is this device even worth the money? There are a lot of gripes going on there and I have to say that the negativity surrounding the Timescape and Mediascape apps are a real downer for me. Those are big reasons for me wanting the phone. I guess im looking for some positive feedback here from current owners.
Any thing??
You need to form your own opinion, personally I am more than happy with my X10 but there are a few, niggling issues which could be cleaned up quite simply (and in time I am sure they will be...)
I have friends with the Nexus ONE and HTC phones and they are jealous of my X10, the X10 has issues, but so do the other phones and within my group of friends we all agree that the X10 looks the best, performs the fastest and smoothest. Andriod as an OS still has a little way to go, but it is getting there...
Even with all my concerns, I have no regret in buying the X10, the hardware is excellent, it is beautiful to hold... The software lets it down a bit compaired to the iPhone but you do learn to live with it and I am sure it will improve.
First of all, you should note that only a very small percentage of users of most any product ever bother to post to a forum, and of those the vast majority tend to be the more vocal types in regards to comments, usually for the worse (frankly if you love your device and you're not a techy, you're not likely to bother singing praise all over the internet). I've been part of enought forums over my life to know this (and yes, I admit to being a vocal complainer).
With that said, I think the X10 is a fabulous piece of hardware (as I mentioned in my Wish List posting). Overall, I'm very happy with my choice. But that's not to say the product is perfect. You'll find a fair share of complaints over any other smartphone.
Software issues can always be easily managed through updates by the manufacturer or through using 3rd party apps. I know Timescape and Mediascape are key selling points of the X10 from SE's standpoint, but I think they've been neglecting how good the hardware is in doing that. Mediascape is the better of the two apps from my point of view, but that's not to say that Timescape can't be a great app to some people or to me even with some tweaking.
In the end, it'll come down to your own judgement. I recommend giving it some time to try it out and let the battery settle in. It's good to read and research a purchase before making one (I always do extensively), but it's very easy to get caught up in the wave of emotion from others and lose your own personal objectivity.
NEVER look in a board if u want to buy a piece of hardware!!
1. There are 100 people with 100 different opinions. U will get more confused the more you read
2. In an online board there are always more negative threads about a product than positive ones. Ask yourself have you ever started a thread about a camera that actually does photos? Or an mp3 player that PLAYS music? A TV that lets u WATCH TV? No? So the same here.
All i can say is that the x10 I a great device. A friend of mine has bought the HTC Desire but in my opinion the x10 is much better. When the first fixes are rolled out and the android 2.1 update is available this phone ist a kick ass device!
Well its my personality to become a little obsessed about devices, or whatever im into at the time. I would consider myself a techy, although im relatively new to android, which is why i pose the question. I have spent the last couple of weeks learning everything there is to know about this device so that when I get it I know exactly what to do with it.......sequentially. Little OCD if you get me. So when I join a site like this, made up of power users and devs and I hear them griping about issues it gets me a little paranoid.
Thanks for the reply's and I guess ill have to wait and give it a real go. Much appreciation.
Hi - It's my first Android too.. I've a few friends with iPhones and my Wife has a HTC legend (which is a great bit of kit too!).. but I wouldn't swap my X10 for either of them.. now I've got to grips with the battery life issue I'm moving on to other things.. like saltorio says.. the phones not perfect.. Timescape doesn't really float my boat particularly.. I'm getting to grips with Mediascape now and it's pretty good (other than the fact you have to create your playlists on MediaGo on your PC - unless you can dig out the base Android music player which is hidden on your phone and create them in there..)
The operation of the phone is quick and smooth and the camera is pretty good too. The photo light is a bit limited in it's usefulness.
Apart from anything else.. the handset is gorgeous and makes your friends jealous!
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Well all I can say is wow. I was expecting my X10 today but ill have to wait until Monday and now after reading the "wish list" thread im not to sure I will even keep it. To all you users out there is this device even worth the money? There are a lot of gripes going on there and I have to say that the negativity surrounding the Timescape and Mediascape apps are a real downer for me. Those are big reasons for me wanting the phone. I guess im looking for some positive feedback here from current owners.
Any thing??
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As you can see in the wish list topic, I have several complaints and wishes. But at the same time, this is probably the best phone I ever had, and definitely the best smartphone.
I don't know if the device is worth the money it costs*. What I know, is that there's not a globally better smartphone on the market. I used a Windows Mobile device before the X10, and at work I use massively the iPhone. Android is the junction point between Windows Mobile and the iPhone, the best of both worlds. So, go on with Android. Is X10 the best Android on the market? If you can live without multitouch (and I bet you can!) this is definitely the best Android on the market. If I would lose or broke my X10, I would immediately buy another one.
* Actually, I'm pretty sure that there isn't any electronic device that is worth the money it costs.
personally i think its a very good device. Most of the complaints i see in my opinion are babyish like not getting a device because of multitouch or because it has 1.6, and touch screen response which works perfectly fine on my device ( what do they want? to just think and the device responds? come on now).
Just play with it for a while and make your own opinion based on your needs. Most of these forums have alot of negativity from people that dont make phones.
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I have a long list on my X10 wishlist and many complaints about it too but I still love X10 more than Nexus One or any other touch screen phone I ever used. I had iPhone 3GS for over 6-months too .
Top 4 reason to get X10
1. Sexy looks
2. Beautiful screen
3. very nice UI theme (Blue)
4. Adroid
If you go to the Nexus One or Desire forums, you'll find plenty of issues with those phones as well. There's no such thing as a perfect phone, unfortunately. I've had my X10 for a few days now, and the choice between it and the Desire wasn't easy, but I won't be looking back because it is simply a gorgeous, excellent phone that is not perfect, but certainly good enough and I'm sure it'll only get better with each update Sony Ericsson puts out.
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Well all I can say is wow. I was expecting my X10 today but ill have to wait until Monday and now after reading the "wish list" thread im not to sure I will even keep it. To all you users out there is this device even worth the money? There are a lot of gripes going on there and I have to say that the negativity surrounding the Timescape and Mediascape apps are a real downer for me. Those are big reasons for me wanting the phone. I guess im looking for some positive feedback here from current owners.
Any thing??
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Sorry I forgot to outline that i absolutely love my phone but its my nature to want more. My battery is getting a bashing because i can't put it down, if i'm not listening to music i'm taking photo's, recording videos 50 mins long, checking facebook and tweeter or simply touching it.
Don't be fooled I've not been as happy with an upgrade for 6 years.
Well I appreciate all the feedback. Feeling much better about it now. I can't wait to get my hands on it!! I guess I let myself get carried away with my obsessions some times and ive basically been judging the phone before I even got it. But you must admit that in the short time since its release there is a absolute ton of info on it and most of it is people complaining about this or that. Ive gotten burned by Rogers with their return policy in the past and got stuck with a product that I wasnt' really happy with so im approaching this with caution.
Personally I can live with the lack of MT and considering all the positives that have been presented here im really looking forward to getting started.
Thanks again
So basically I'm phone-savvy and all (maybe not at as much as the devs here) and bought the HTC Hero around 6 months ago.
I made a big mistake.
First of all, I'm on T Mobile US and I got the unlocked European version and though I knew 3G wouldn't work I just said "who cares" but now I realize that 3G is actually quite a big jump from the slow EDGE.
Second, I'm not quite satisfied with the HTC-ized Android. And plus we still haven't gotten a 2.1 update.
Third, it just doesn't feel that good of a phone as do several others.
Sure it can do just about everything, but hell even the iPhone is simpler to use and easier. By simplicity I'm talking about the time it takes to achieve a task which is on average longer on my HTC Hero (at least for me).
Now the 2.1 update has been pushed back further and I'm very disappointed with HTC. All in all I think I'm going to trade in my phone for something else, maybe a blackberry or an iphone or just sell it and wait for something else.
I don't want to start a flame war, and I'm glad those of you who are satisfied with the HTC Hero have a phone you enjoy... but for me, I guess it's over.
I'd also like to thank all the developers who worked so hard to make my Hero that much more usable and interesting. Thanks guys!
I have to disagree. I have been working in the wireless industry since 1999 and also consider myself to be phone savvy. I've been using smartphones since the Motorola MPx200! The Hero is HANDS DOWN one of the BEST phones I've ever had. I'm using mine in the US on AT&T (Telus Hero, so 3G works). I don't think it is slow at all. If you don't like the HTC "stuff", load a Vanilla ROM. I had a Magic before my Hero and only had EDGE on the Magic, so I can see where that would bother you. But that's not because it's a Hero, but rather because you are using it on the wrong network. When the official 2.1 comes out and the devs have access to the proper kernel, these phones are going to fly! It's a pity you can't get 3G on it, because I think you would have a much better opinion of the phone.
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Well, not really.
You should have known a smartphone relies on a decent data connection. Downloading one or two emails and updating the weather app is about as much as I can take on GPRS/EDGE.
You aren't satisfied with the Sense UI? Did you even watch any online videos before you bought the phone? Surely you didn't just walk in to a purchase like this blind. The 2.1 update is going to be Sense UI too so why are you holding out for it? Why don't you just put a vanilla 2.1 ROM on your Hero and have it now without Sense?
eatmydave, speed really isn't the issue. My Hero is running perfectly fine, and as for data I'm mostly on a WiFi which is why I got the Hero from Europe and back then the Telus Hero wasn't out. Personal opinion, I just didn't have a satisfactory experience with the phone. I'm not bashing on the phone at all It's great and a lot of people love it... just not me.
kadison, getting defensive much? Yes, really. Read the above section. I knew that I'd only have EDGE and sure I didn't think it would be that slow but I'm on wifi most of the times anyway.
And of course I saw videos before buying the phone I'm not bashing on the Sense UI, all I'm saying is that it's more eye candy than it is useful. At least for me.
Custom ROMs were the only reason I put up with it for so long anyway. But in the end, this phone just isn't for me.
The reason I posted this was to possibly warn future buyers who are like me. Sure a lot of other people love this phone, but a few are dissatisfied.
Oh yeah, no one would really want to buy the Hero now since they have the Legend or whatever out. HTC is just using their marketing techniques (pushing 2.1 further and further back) so some people give in and buy their new hand sets.
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I have to disagree. I have been working in the wireless industry since 1999 and also consider myself to be phone savvy. I've been using smartphones since the Motorola MPx200! The Hero is HANDS DOWN one of the BEST phones I've ever had. I'm using mine in the US on AT&T (Telus Hero, so 3G works). I don't think it is slow at all. If you don't like the HTC "stuff", load a Vanilla ROM. I had a Magic before my Hero and only had EDGE on the Magic, so I can see where that would bother you. But that's not because it's a Hero, but rather because you are using it on the wrong network. When the official 2.1 comes out and the devs have access to the proper kernel, these phones are going to fly! It's a pity you can't get 3G on it, because I think you would have a much better opinion of the phone.
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Even I do disagree.
HTC Hero is a great phone. Its proved that It can handle 2.1 ver well including 3D Gallery n Live wallpapers. Its just missing the 2.1 Update from HTC. But not doing that might make HTC to loose some customers.
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First of all, I'm on T Mobile US and I got the unlocked European version and though I knew 3G wouldn't work I just said "who cares" but now I realize that 3G is actually quite a big jump from the slow EDGE.
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I run on edge most of them, and for day to day usage, you wouldn't notice much difference with Edge vs 3g vs HSDPA. The web is a bit slower, but I use opera mini so pages are small.
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Second, I'm not quite satisfied with the HTC-ized Android. And plus we still haven't gotten a 2.1 update.
Third, it just doesn't feel that good of a phone as do several others.
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The lack of 2.1 is annoying, but give Villain a whirl. I'm running 5.3 it's the first time I'm happy with a 2.1 rom. I had been running the Mr Bang performance rom for a few months previous as I felt it was the best 1.5 rom.
I to got the urge to move to something else, but there will be bigger upgrades around the corner.
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kadison, getting defensive much? Yes, really. Read the above section. I knew that I'd only have EDGE and sure I didn't think it would be that slow but I'm on wifi most of the times anyway.
And of course I saw videos before buying the phone I'm not bashing on the Sense UI, all I'm saying is that it's more eye candy than it is useful. At least for me.
Custom ROMs were the only reason I put up with it for so long anyway. But in the end, this phone just isn't for me.
The reason I posted this was to possibly warn future buyers who are like me. Sure a lot of other people love this phone, but a few are dissatisfied.
Oh yeah, no one would really want to buy the Hero now since they have the Legend or whatever out. HTC is just using their marketing techniques (pushing 2.1 further and further back) so some people give in and buy their new hand sets.
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No, I'm not being defensive. EDGE is crap and on average you get less than the speed of a 56K modem. The times I find I really need a decent data connection is when I am not near any WiFi, say if i'm lost somewhere or need to find a nearby business or shop. Doing this on EDGE is a real ball ache and if I knew that's all I'd ever have I'd reconsider my phone/network choice.
Sense ties the OS together visually but I wouldn't call it eye candy because IMO Android needs this. It also provides quite a few useful widgets and shortcuts, meaning you don't have to go hunting in the market as soon as you get your phone for something as basic seeing the weather, bookmarks or connectivity toggles on a home screen.
I agree no one who can afford a Legend or Desire would buy a Hero now. Furthermore the only reason to buy a Legend is because you have a soft spot for aluminium or can't cope with the physical size of a Desire - there's only a £15 price difference between the two phones on devicewire.com!
HTC are dragging their heels with the Hero's 2.1 update but it'll be here eventually.
It seems to me that despite what you said you did want to start a flame war. Why even post something like this? We are all on this forum because we love our Heros and want to get the most out of them. You've gotten 6 months of use out of a phone you wanted so much you imported it, there's no use complaining now about how it's not up to scratch. So what if 2.1 hasn't come through the official channels yet, this is an open source project and if you're relying on official roms, then I truly believe you are not realising the full potential of what your phone can really do.
Maybe you should just join the ranks of the drones conforming to consumer commercialism and buy an iphone
stop this!
Please, could somebody close this Thread???
I don't like (and prob many other people) this kind of discussing on this Forum from the Hero. there is a general discussion forum where you can talk about this, but in MY opinion, this forum is for people who definately like their HERO and want to use all of it's functionalities.....
If you don't like the phone, stop complaining, get the hell out of here, buy yourself an Iphone, and bugger off......sorry for being rude!
Thanks
Jeroen
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Please, could somebody close this Thread???
I don't like (and prob many other people) this kind of discussing on this Forum from the Hero. there is a general discussion forum where you can talk about this, but in MY opinion, this forum is for people who definately like their HERO and want to use all of it's functionalities.....
If you don't like the phone, stop complaining, get the hell out of here, buy yourself an Iphone, and bugger off......sorry for being rude!
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Jeroen
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You need to think about these two words 'discussing' and 'discussion' - oh look, well I never, you used those two words in your comment.
Think about what those words mean, and then, the answer to your upset will be found
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Please, could somebody close this Thread???
I don't like (and prob many other people) this kind of discussing on this Forum from the Hero.
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This is a valid topic imho, if he doesnt like his product which he has bought with his hard earned money, this is his prerogativ.
Nobody had to respond to his post, people could just let it die, but people keep posting, therefore, its a valid topic.
If i had known about HTC's unfriendly update/customer policy, i wouldnt have bought it either.
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I don't like this kind of discussing on this Forum from the Hero. Bugger off etc
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I sat here for far too long constructing a long scathing reply but I decided i'm not going to waste any more of my time on it! So:
OP - If you really hate your Hero so much that's your choice. You have a right to your opinion and the world would be a dull place if everyone liked the same thing.
Pietje - Grow up.
Looking at the numbers in his handle, one has to assume he has a fair bit of that to do.
Yeah does seem like this has turned into more of an argument.
All I'm saying is that I, personally, didn't like the Hero. Never said anything about the Hero being bad or anything. It's all a matter of opinion. I have friends who love their Motorola Razrs and laugh when I tell them I paid 600 dollars for a phone, they just say "what's the point of using internet on your phone?" so yeah there are people like that also.
As a device Hero is definitely great. As something I would like/want/need/use, it's not. Just not for me.
I'd appreciate it if people didn't try to argue their points here, I'm not disagreeing with anyone.
Cheers!
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Motorola Razr
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I never understood the appeal of those phones!
Well I have to completely disagree with you I got my Hero in April and I love it I am running Kimera's overclocked ROM so I basically have a Legend and my Hero does do everything I love to show off with it and everyone thinks its so cool and its so fun to just play with and i absolutely HATE Apple
@MentalDeath - Agree on all accounts. Especially the Kimera ROM.
why did you not just get a htc magic (mytouch 3g) its same specs as hero bar the camera and would work on T-Mobile with 3g
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does this work?
In the hidden test menu, under phone information(*#*#4636#*#*), it's possible to select cdma as network. Would some of those settings enable 3g, for european heros in the states ?
In the hidden test menu, under phone information(*#*#4636#*#*), it's possible to select cdma as network. Would some of those settings enable 3g, for european heros in the states ?
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No I dont think this will help as that do not have the bands the US carriers use
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For those of you moaning and throwing you toys out their prams with regard to the delay in Samsung releasing Froyo and threatening to sell your SGS, I have some good news for you.
Rather than post you rants in other threads that are useful, use this one to act like children.
Those of us who like the SGS don't care about you in the slightest.
There are far more people here giving the phone their support that you the minority.
The only thing I ask is that when you buy your next Android phone, can you please let us know that you are selling it because you are once again throwing your toys out of the pram?
Believe me, I an many others will not be in the slightest bit surprised, however, you could buy and Iphone or better still, give up on the idea of smartphone for now and pray that the likes of Nokia can pull something out of the bag.
This forum would be a hell of a lot cleaner if people could engage their mental ignore more often (and yes, I realise posting just to say this is hypocritical in the extreme). Instead of creating a thread especially for people "to act like children" (which is childish in itself, IMO), why not just ignore them? They'll get the message eventually if people stop responding...
That would NORMALLY work Voleo. But...
Firstly, the Mods aren't closing those threads.. They should because they are dupes anyway, and angry rants aren't relevent to XDA. We now have many copies of the same thread..
Secondly, people who are leaving often feel the need to "threaten" Samsung and whine in every thread for a few weeks about the same problems. Then slowly, some of them seem to switch to blatant lying/deception to spark a mutiny (ie. "the GPS/lag IS a HARDWARE problem" which can't be fixed). Finally then, they sell their phone, post in a few existing threads that they got fed up and sold their phone. Some also start their own thread. Those who are considering doing the same give them a pat on the back and given words of advice off the other trolls considering leaving, for eg "it's healthy to rant". Which continues the chain going. Since they have issues (with the phone and otherwise), they want to make Samsung suffer.
The big problem however, is that doing so, their BS/exaggerations accumulates and if nobody responds, we have a forum filled with rubbish like "33% of the time my phone is laggy". So, in part, we need to tell them to prove their claims, or STFU, because otherwise, they enforce each other, reduce morale here, and cause other people to exaggerate minor problems in their mind, and on the forum.
Oh here we go, yet another thread to ***** around Thought we had enough of them?
If you are not happy with your "product" sell it move on and enjoy the life. Simple. As you definitely wont be loosing money on SGS.
Have always worked for me.
Cheers
Vlad
Now is a good time for Luecke's laws...
Luecke's first law
Those who are dissatisfied will always strive to exaggerate minor device problems in technical forums.
Luecke's second law
When making technical comparisons between devices in arguments, dissatisfied users will compare to devices based on company reputation alone, and will totally ignore fixed problems with that device.
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Oh here we go, yet another thread to ***** around Thought we had enough of them?
If you are not happy with your "product" sell it move on and enjoy the life. Simple. As you definitely wont be loosing money on SGS.
Have always worked for me.
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As I said once again, not everyone can just "sell on", and I disagree you "definitely wont lose money"... how not?
The 8Gb SGS was £450 on launch here, if I were to sell now I probably wouldn't even get £300 for it - that's depreciation whichever way you wrap it up - unless of course you bought it second hand to begin with.
I agree in some ways that there are some childish rants in here. I have myself been criticial of the SGS, but my "rants" were detailed and constructive. In some ways, some of the replies I got which were defending the SGS were actually more childish than my constructive criticism, so its not the one sided affair that threads like this portray.
Incidentally, I get the impression that some people simply don't like hearing any criticism of their beloved phone. This is "fanboy" behaviour. Most level headed people would admit that the phone has some relatively major problems, and to say otherwise is burying your head in the sand. I've said it before, it comes down to how heavily you use the phone, and what your past experiences / expectations are.
I'll be honest, I've come close at times to selling the SGS. By xmas there will be a number of phones I would swap with quite happily for one reason or another, but its the phone I've got, and the idea of losing a load of money selling it does not sit easy with me no matter how many faults it might have.
To be fair, thanks to this forum I've actually managed to tweak the phone and get it to a standard which is pretty much more than acceptable, but it has taken me lots of time, and it has taken developers on here lots of time to produce fixes for some of the problems. If it time is money, then the SGS has been by far the most expensive mobile phone I've yet owned!
Wow, the OP is pure hypocrisy.
But I've seen one thing. Most of us hate apple fan boys, but it looks like xda is full of SGS fan boys too.
The point is, the SGS does have problems because of buggy software. No one knows when official fixes are coming out. So for some people, its better to sell, make Samsung look like idiots, and walk. Samsung do deserve to look like fools. Their QA dept. is just royally screwed. Its just sad how great HW is killed by crap SW.
If people wanna rant, then let them. Most of the time the rants are true, but maybe quantitatively exaggerated, example 50% of the time lagging. It nevertheless brings to light real problems of the SGS's SW.
Many people do rant over and over again in every tread. It kind of boring to read same thing over and over again from same people. If they stayed in this tread it would be 30-40% less post in every tread and it would be nice and more correct.
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Wow, the OP is pure hypocrisy.
But I've seen one thing. Most of us hate apple fan boys, but it looks like xda is full of SGS fan boys too.
The point is, the SGS does have problems because of buggy software. No one knows when official fixes are coming out. So for some people, its better to sell, make Samsung look like idiots, and walk. Samsung do deserve to look like fools. Their QA dept. is just royally screwed. Its just sad how great HW is killed by crap SW.
If people wanna rant, then let them. Most of the time the rants are true, but maybe quantitatively exaggerated, example 50% of the time lagging. It nevertheless brings to light real problems of the SGS's SW.
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Awesome post! Thank you. The SGS fanboys are just as annoying as the Apple ones.
Chill, it's just a phone.
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While I've been using Linux as my main OS since 1997, not all my friends have. I've fixed the lag issue. I wouldn't trust my friends to realize the root cause of the lag problem and then find a fix. They would think the product is bad. And it is. What the hell kind of product has to be jailbroken to correct bad engineering? I'm not talking of too-restrictive-engineering (like App Store), but straight-out bad engineering. After a few days of use and few tens of applications (which is well within normal and encouraged use of a flagship product, non?), lagging becomes terrible. Applying a lag fix results in a roughly ten-fold increase in effective IOPS.
Anyhow, I cannot fix the GPS issue. It has to be done in firmware. I got this phone in JU-FREAKIN'-LY and Samsung STILL haven't fixed this issue. And I ain't complaining about lack of Froyo.
I'M COMPLAINING ABOUT A LACK OF BASIC BUGFIXES!
Oh, and that the slow, overengineered, proprietary Kies application crashes whenever I try to install whatever firmware update they just posted. They were three months late in posting fixes. And now their update procedure doesn't work. Adding insult to injury is not a good idea. What the hell kinda management will let such products out the door - both the 2.1 firmware for the SGS and the now-broken Kies?
Sorry I had to yell at you. I hope you misunderstood because you've listened to too much awesome rock'n'roll music and that has fried your ears.
My phone got faster after lagfix on 2.1 and 2.2, but i never had any big lag that the wieners here have.
I also have an iphone and can compare them. Iphone do lag sometimes to. Sometimes it just freezing. Sometimes it crash. I can say the sgs is better on everything.
The gps is much better.
Better screen.
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For me, who had a htc diamond and then an iphone 3g... GPS is amazing in the SGS lol
Fanboyism is never good.
Samsung shouldnt have made promise
that they can't keep. Thats not professional.
However, apple fanboys are the worst.
Steve Jobs has become like a religion.
I have used the SGS for 2 months and I am on stock firmware with voodoo lagfix. I don't know why people are complaining about buggy firmware. The firmware is NOT buggy. I never have crashes or major issues with core software components. The only issue is the lag but this can be fixed (i am using voodoo and this fix has eliminates most lag).
As for GPS, I did not encountered any issues with it with most navigation software. Some times accuracy may not be perfectly accurate but is still within tolerance.
Froyo may bring more goodies, but even as it is now, the Galaxy is near perfect. I think this phone will still come out on top in any pro-con list with other phones.
whats is the big deal.. every phone has bugs.. I had an I phone3g and once it was loaded with apps it would hang up from time to time and lag.. the same with the blackberry bold 2nd gen that I had it would lag all over once it had alot of apps... HTC's phones are the same way.. This is what can happens once the OS's on smart phones becomes complex.. its not just the Samsung S..
I'm running JPK with no lag fix.. (no need for it with JPK) and alot of people I have showed the phone too can't get over how fast it is.. these are people with Iphones and Blackberrys.
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The big deal is Samsungs ignorance or incompetence to make a bug fix. I bought my SGS late june, and still no GPS fix from Samsung.
I can live with a laggy and erratic GPS, but I can not live with a GPS who sometimes are running in the parallel streets and tries to guide me back to the street I am actually driving for the moment.
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My SGS is in for service for 3. time now. If the GPS is not working when it returns, it will be "3 Strikes Out" and my money back and Samsung's ignorance or incompetence has saved me my money.
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whats is the big deal.. every phone has bugs..
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Ah, because every phone has bugs we have to shut down the mouth and say nothing?
If an iPhone 4 has bugs we have to say that, if an HTC has bugs we have to say that.
Nobody is saying don't say anything.. But what is getting annoying:
People posting dedicated threads containing the bugs which annoy them, instead of posting to the threads already discussing the separate bugs. Strangely, they aren't marked as dupes...
The constant exaggerations and lies. Rather than have an honest debate, many are choosing to heavily exaggerate/lie about their problems. Rather than have an honest debate, many people are also trying to close debate with BS such as "the gps problems ARE HARDWARE, end of story!", or use fake statistics such as "this phone is unusable 66% of the time it's so laggy". The other side isn't perfect either though, and some are saying "the GPS is perfect, but they wont post tracks".
The lack of proof. People are getting away with inventing claims too easily. ON BOTH SIDES. People are accepting "it's detailed in another thread" as evidence, whilst in many cases, it isn't actually PROVEN in any other thread, or the "proof" has flaws .
People are getting called fanboy's when they question a claim. This shouldn't happen
People who are dissatisfied need to patting their fellow whingers on the back for creating threads and venting.
We need more people to question what is said, and just because something IS said, to not allow them to be called a fanboy. That's the problem. There's a lot of BS on both sides, and not enough questioning.
No external linking is allowed?! How am I going to prove this? Let's be manaul:
My endomondo account 225326 has workouts using both a Nokia n82 (before July) and Samsung Galaxy S (starting in july). The Nokia workouts rarely had GPS issues aside from inaccuracy when running close to larger buildings. I do all the time with my Samsung Galaxy S, it will only have sporadic locks. It is useless for tracking workouts, it only works as a glorified stopwatch. Google Maps is close to unusable, especially when outside urban areas where there's enough base stations to triangulate with fair accuracy.
If you turn off the radio assist thing, you'll experience exactly how reliable the GPS is. I dare you to try!
Hey everyone, so I was reading this post from another Xda'er and was reading comments from almost a year ago from this article Here, I came across a post by a person that read this
"Same. iPhone is the de facto benchmark (for now) that this will likely beat by a good measure. The mitigating factor -- for some -- is if you need the variety of iPhone's apps. It'll be a constant balance between that flexibilit*y and the faster network/mo*re power this device is capable of."
This was on the comments section of the CTIA announcement of the Evo, I just came to the realization that I stopped comparing my phone to the iPhone long ago and actually started Benching it up with other Android Devices. I thought it was pretty funny, I mean I like the iPhone if it was on Sprint I would surely get one but now that I am seeing these new phones its just awesome!
Anyone else have a similar experience thus far?
Blitzpwnage said:
Hey everyone, so I was reading this post from another Xda'er and was reading comments from almost a year ago from this article Here, I came across a post by a person that read this
"Same. iPhone is the de facto benchmark (for now) that this will likely beat by a good measure. The mitigating factor -- for some -- is if you need the variety of iPhone's apps. It'll be a constant balance between that flexibilit*y and the faster network/mo*re power this device is capable of."
This was on the comments section of the CTIA announcement of the Evo, I just came to the realization that I stopped comparing my phone to the iPhone long ago and actually started Benching it up with other Android Devices. I thought it was pretty funny, I mean I like the iPhone if it was on Sprint I would surely get one but now that I am seeing these new phones its just awesome!
Anyone else have a similar experience thus far?
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The iPhone never really was the benchmark hardware-wise. They tend to release very competitive hardware for the release period (Ex: iPhone 5 will be one of the most advance phones released on launch) but a month or two later a newer better spec'd phone will be out (Like the SGS vs. iPhone 4). The one thing that the iPhone still continues to do good is in the optimization of it's software. With just one model a year to focus on, Apple will always make sure that iOS squeezes out as much performance from the hardware.
Award Tour said:
The iPhone never really was the benchmark hardware-wise. They tend to release very competitive hardware for the release period (Ex: iPhone 5 will be one of the most advance phones released on launch) but a month or two later a newer better spec'd phone will be out (Like the SGS vs. iPhone 4). The one thing that the iPhone still continues to do good is in the optimization of it's software. With just one model a year to focus on, Apple will always make sure that iOS squeezes out as much performance from the hardware.
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Very true. I dont think I was comparing hardware when I first saw these phones, I was a complete noob I still had a samsung rumor let me tell you that phone was priceless it was a little brute! But I never really cared for specs on iPhones it was more or less how smooth the experience is like you said I commend apple with how amazingly optimized their software is. It is just awesome, I really wish android had this but it is still coming into its own my only fear is that new devices will keep being pushed out like candy and new ones will be completely forgotten after less than 6 months this will be the trend, if so android has no stable platform, I think this is fragmentation but hey it keeps getting better and look at the dev community here they do an AMAZING JOB, they are OUR optimizers just wish they had more back pocket to push them and more people to help like Apple does but then again they have to....I think I just typed what I was thinking....oh well hope some of this had a point.
my roommate has an iphone and they were all up in steve jobs bum about how awesome it is and didn't like my evo when I got it (had 2.1at the time) I didnt care much about how great the iphone screen was as it was too small for me, now that I think about it ever since I rooted I can't recall an instance when their iphone did something better
they are talking about how they want to jailbreak it now and I actually thought " how cute that they want to take their little toy out of the box"
my evo is far superior and I dont think the iphone is competition
With all respect, when can this forum grow up and stop with the iPhone comparison and bashing? It's really pretty gross after this long. It's like the little brother who beat his big brother in HORSE once and then talks about it for five years.
I'm not saying Apple deserves to be praised for everything they do, but at some point we should just realized that not only are these devices months old by now, but that in the end, nobody really cares if the iPhone is the "benchmark" or not. iPhone has the popularity, and Apple has the customer base which won't listen to a (bad) word you have to say about their device. You're essentially preaching to the choir with all these threads, and it's not really accomplishing anything.
sobis1dm said:
With all respect, when can this forum grow up and stop with the iPhone comparison and bashing? It's really pretty gross after this long. It's like the little brother who beat his big brother in HORSE once and then talks about it for five years.
I'm not saying Apple deserves to be praised for everything they do, but at some point we should just realized that not only are these devices months old by now, but that in the end, nobody really cares if the iPhone is the "benchmark" or not. iPhone has the popularity, and Apple has the customer base which won't listen to a (bad) word you have to say about their device. You're essentially preaching to the choir with all these threads, and it's not really accomplishing anything.
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Did you read any of my posts at all. I wasnt bashing the iPhone in any way at all I ACTUALLY SAID I WOULD BUY ONE....I would drop my android phone for an iPhone right now if it was on Sprint but its not and I like android all the same too. I wouldnt mind having both but seriously dude your post accomplished nothing and has proven you didnt read the 2 more verbose posts not that one guys where is he saying his phone can do anything the iPhone can, stop trying to be some hero and be "neutral" when I started this thread not as an iPhone bashing thread I had just realized this point and wanted to see if anyone else had, so before you hijack my thread and at nothing more I PLEAD with you to read what else I have written and edit your post with help information. I actually thing I described fragmentation which Applbots love to talk about Android Fanboys love to omit from their knowledge and sane people who dont really argue over it for we have XDA.
P.S. I dont know where you come from where my opinion doesnt matter, to me it surely does and I could give .02 if it matters to you, the thing is I was curious if anyone else had similar thoughts.
sobis1dm said:
With all respect, when can this forum grow up and stop with the iPhone comparison and bashing? It's really pretty gross after this long. It's like the little brother who beat his big brother in HORSE once and then talks about it for five years.
I'm not saying Apple deserves to be praised for everything they do, but at some point we should just realized that not only are these devices months old by now, but that in the end, nobody really cares if the iPhone is the "benchmark" or not. iPhone has the popularity, and Apple has the customer base which won't listen to a (bad) word you have to say about their device. You're essentially preaching to the choir with all these threads, and it's not really accomplishing anything.
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Pretty much. When that Iphone drops on Verizon people are REALLY going to see how popular that phone is. There are still a ton of people that want it but wont switch to at&t to get it. Both OS have their advantages but the thing that I still miss about IOS is the apps by far.
sobis1dm said:
With all respect, when can this forum grow up and stop with the iPhone comparison and bashing? It's really pretty gross after this long. It's like the little brother who beat his big brother in HORSE once and then talks about it for five years.
I'm not saying Apple deserves to be praised for everything they do, but at some point we should just realized that not only are these devices months old by now, but that in the end, nobody really cares if the iPhone is the "benchmark" or not. iPhone has the popularity, and Apple has the customer base which won't listen to a (bad) word you have to say about their device. You're essentially preaching to the choir with all these threads, and it's not really accomplishing anything.
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iPhone doesn't have the popularity anymore. Android has been outselling iPhones for months now. So, we have the more popular brand now.
Also, have you ever been on an iPhone forum? All they do is bash Android. They have whole threads dedicated to it. They have fake reviewers ***** about how terrible Androids are:
http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/29/htc-evo-4g/
They write on our YouTube videos (guides, reviews, just showing off the phone because we love it) being little brats and throwing insults my 12 year old brother would shake off and laugh at.
So, for a couple of Android loving Evo owners to complain about iPhone and it's users in a private environment not only shows more maturity than iPhone users, it shows respect to their videos and forums by not flooding the internet with useless, incorrect rabble. We can admit the iPhone owns benchmark without getting our panties in a twist, but even I'm sick of hearing about it on phonedog reviews for Android phones.
Leave them alone, you can avoid conversations like this, if you don't like them, using this guide.
ABSOLUTZERO'S GUIDE TO AVOIDING CONVERSATIONS YOU DON'T WANT TO READ.
Step 1: Hit the back button.
Step 2: Go enjoy the rest of your day.
The theme of your post is: "Sup guys I forgot about the iPhone. It's cool and all but these new things rock"
It's really pathetic. I know you're not the only one. But why can't we just enjoy our device without looking like a bunch of idiot underdogs that take every jab we can?
AbsolutZeroGI said:
iPhone doesn't have the popularity anymore. Android has been outselling iPhones for months now. So, we have the more popular brand now.
Also, have you ever been on an iPhone forum? All they do is bash Android. They have whole threads dedicated to it. They have fake reviewers ***** about how terrible Androids are:
http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/29/htc-evo-4g/
They write on our YouTube videos (guides, reviews, just showing off the phone because we love it).
So, for a couple of Android loving Evo owners to ***** in a safe place to one another about how annoying iPhone and it's users are and how much we hate the phone is not only understandable, it's probably better than if they posted phony reviews and spam youtube videos.
Leave them alone, you can avoid conversations like this, if you don't like them, using this guide.
ABSOLUTZERO'S GUIDE TO AVOIDING CONVERSATIONS YOU DON'T WANT TO READ.
Step 1: Hit the back button.
Step 2: Go enjoy the rest of your day.
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Ok. So he can have input, but I can't have input on his input. Got it.
sobis1dm said:
Ok. So he can have input, but I can't have input on his input. Got it.
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His input was on topic, your input was not. Of course, mine isn't either so technically we're both trolling now.
sobis1dm said:
The theme of your post is: "Sup guys I forgot about the iPhone. It's cool and all but these new things rock"
It's really pathetic. I know you're not the only one. But why can't we just enjoy our device without looking like a bunch of idiot underdogs that take every jab we can?
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Did you read one WORD even a single sentence, I stated I liked the iPhone, are you trying to troll, this thread needs to be cleaned up.
I admit that title was misleading and was ignorant apologies alright it sounded different to me at the time. It was more personable and was not intended for community interpretation.
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Did you read one WORD even a single sentence, I stated I liked the iPhone, are you trying to troll, this thread needs to be cleaned up.
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The thread doesn't need to be "cleaned up," the forum needs to be cleaned up. I'm pretty sure the name of the forum we're in is "Evo 4G General," as in, related to the Evo 4G - NOT some roundabout broad topic discussion about the iPhone. Go to the more general forums if you want to talk about that. I'll just keep talking about the phone, as this forum was meant, and deterring those who aren't. Sound good?
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His input was on topic, your input was not. Of course, mine isn't either so technically we're both trolling now.
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o/
sobis1dm said:
The thread doesn't need to be "cleaned up," the forum needs to be cleaned up. I'm pretty sure the name of the forum we're in is "Evo 4G General," as in, related to the Evo 4G - NOT some roundabout broad topic discussion about the iPhone. Go to the more general forums if you want to talk about that. I'll just keep talking about the phone, as this forum was meant, and deterring those who aren't. Sound good?
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First off, look at the link I posted, hmmmm thats not on topic at all, nope that is not about the Evo AT ALL, I changed the title of the thread seriously, grow up and drop it and stop hijacking my thread and maybe have some useful input...
Noob question not directed at the troll.
How do I report my own thread?
Blitzpwnage said:
First off, look at the link I posted, hmmmm thats not on topic at all, nope that is not about the Evo AT ALL, I changed the title of the thread seriously, grow up and drop it and stop hijacking my thread and maybe have some useful input...
Noob question not directed at the troll.
How do I report my own thread?
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Okay. Well I'll create a thread next time I'm on the toilet browsing Engadget on my Evo, and it'll be about the Evo. Sound good?
sobis1dm said:
Okay. Well I'll create a thread next time I'm on the toilet browsing Engadget on my Evo, and it'll be about the Evo. Sound good?
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Ummmmm, yea actually what will we be discussing.
P.S. You should police this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=785408
Its the Call of Duty Clan thread on the EVO 4G General section tisk tisk they must be policed... Do your best sobis1dm
Nah. That thread starts, "Flame me if you want." At least he's not blindly defending himself, and knows he's off topic.
I don't think benchmarks matter because... speed doesn't really matter much anymore.
Seriously I haven't had any lag issues with my phone besides the awful GPU.
Nowadays every phone seems to be strong enough to handle anything.
To me, features mean more than specs now... somewhat.
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this thread is going way off the rails. please stay on topic.
thanx
patelkedar91 said:
I don't think benchmarks matter because... speed doesn't really matter much anymore.
Seriously I haven't had any lag issues with my phone besides the awful GPU.
Nowadays every phone seems to be strong enough to handle anything.
To me, features mean more than specs now... somewhat.
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Speed does matter. Resolutions are increasing, animations and presentation are getting more sophisticated, etc. But the issue isn't the CPU, it's the GPU and I've been saying this for a long time. We don't need a dual core CPU to run the Facebook app; and it's unlikely that we'll be see many apps in the future that require that much power either. It just doesn't fit the on the go and small form factor use case of a smartphone. I still expect the power to increase but I think a much more logical progression in 2011 would be single core Cortex A9. It'd still be way more powerful than anything pre-CES and the power efficiency would be higher especially as the die size decreases even further.
The main bottle neck is the GPU. Think of every app that DOES require power to be smooth and fast: Google Earth, 3D view in Google Maps, fringe features like Live Wallpapers, and of course, games. Basically mobile apps will not need lots of computation power to process tasks but might need graphical power to display the information it outputs. So just pair up a =< 40nm single core A9 with a beast GPU (PowerVR SGX 545 or equivalent), a huge battery (1920 mAh like the Atrix 4G, and why not? the phones are HUGE now), smaller more efficient radios and components, and bam, you got a phone that'll eclipse all current phones, run super smooth, and last all day under heavy use.
Once Android is GPU accelerated it'll be hard if not impossible to tell the difference (visually, not through benchmarks) between a single core and dual core phone that shares the same GPU.