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NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore. Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis. I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that, and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users. Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special. I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
Simply, I absolutely LOVE my Nexus One, but i feel like it is not getting the support it deserves, and i DO NOT want this beautiful piece of technology to be obsolete by september. i hope you guys are with me on this, because i think we all know that this phone could easily be something BETTER than what it is now. and it SHOULD be able to compete with any phone within a year from now because it's Google's baby. GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money. Because, even though i feel like this is the best phone i've ever had, 1) i feel like it'll be obsolete in a few months and 2) im starting to feel like i wasted my money.
long live nexus
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The Nexus one will be the standard by which all android phones are measured for at-least another year.
Keeping everything pure AOSP is a huge plus IMO.
Official updates are slow, but code is being committed to the repository regularly and makes it on to the custom ROMS very quickly.
There is no phone out there with better features and community support than the one you have
There is no other phone on google.com/phone... so we are still the only child.
Google is trying to catch up the rest of the android world to 2.1
VZ cut them off it seems from the N1 and instead VZ gets another great Android handset.
Froyo has some much needed upgrades and will help (in theory) android solidify itself by stabilizing the platform for devs.
JIT/Flash/Market /Open GL / market upgrades are on there way if you believe the rumors.
What is it you feel is being phased out ?
Only about 500k users have an N1. Thats a miniscule amount.
Even with that we have two great devs putting out some very stable ROMS. Unlike the past N1 came with so many damn features out of box that we didnt need ROMs and Apps to add the 101 missing features.
Listen I am still up in Googles rectum about alot of features that need to be fixed/enhanced on Android. We all knew N1 was the first of the snapdragons. The others are storming in blasting taking attention away from us...but theyre all on the same team....they all bleed green =-)
Sure Id love to be slapping on Sense widgets , Moto Blur social network apps , etc...but thats up to us as a community to do it (if ever technically possible).
Anyways feel good about your purchase. You still have the best available phone on the market and will until the EVO/Iphone4G drop. And even then..youd still be top 3 at worst.
There isn't much development because there isn't much to do. The Nexus has the latest firmware and top specs. Of announced phones only the Evo and Galaxy S have significantly better specs everything else is just a SLIGHTLY upgraded Nexus. No porting apps or firmwares are needed. The only thing to really do is optimize what we have (cyanogen is doing that) and port sense UI (Paul is doing that). I'm happy with my Nexus .....for now hehe
zach I can understand the complaints about some of the nagging issues the phone has had (3G, purple tint etc.) but two things we have to realize: A majority of the users don't experience these problems, and in no way is our phone going to be obsolete anytime soon.
Here is a post I made regarding the Incredible screen, I think it's relevant here:
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Here's my take:
Would I like to have this screen in my Nexus? Yea it would have been a nice feature. Do I need this screen? No, not in the slightest.. Not yet anyways. The only apps that would require a screen like that are games, and I don't play the type of games on my phone that would require axis-crossing multitouch. I know some people do, and I can respect that but I don't, hence why I don't care about this right now.
Frankly, if you're playing those kinds of games anyways, just get an iPhone (and I'm not saying that in a bad way). iPhone is unmatched when it comes to gameplay and plus you can get them all for free if you jailbreak. Yea The Incredible has a capable screen, but do you know long it's going to take Android to catch up to Apple when it comes to game quality?? Android just got games like Racing Thunder 2 and Homerun Battle 3D while you can play Street Fighter 4 and freaking Grand Theft Auto on the iPhone! It's no competition.. if you want to game, you don't have the right phone.
By the time Android actually starts developing games and apps that can take advantage of the axis crossing MT, The Incredible will be "obsolete" (as some of you like to put it) so no need for everyone to get their panties in a bunch
With most things I normally have a realist perspective and am usually the first to 'hate' on something when its deserved, but alot of you guys are just a bunch of downers. The Incredible is a great phone as is the Nexus, everyone should just appreciate what they have! If you keep chasing the newest technology (no matter how impractical it is) you will never be satisfied!
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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
Regarding the selection of ROMS.. Guys, right now we have the top of the line OS on our phones.. 2.1 is the standard, most of the G1/Magic ROMS are trying to replicate what we already have stock. Believe me, once Froyo and Android 3.0 come out the devs will be right on it and we'll get awesome ports. We have great developers who will make sure our phones have the newest software on our devices.
And if worst comes to worst and some of you decide to sell your Nexus this summer, it will have excellent resale value.
Don't worry, This is the phone Google are actively giving to developers. We'll be here for a while to come yet.
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I most definetely do not believe the nexus one will be phased out anytime soon, actually i will be ordering one tonight as a matter of fact. yes we may not have the best touch screens or the greatest rom develipment, but that is because we are still number one There are no other builds to even create until phones of this caliber runnng other os are on the scene. And for the touch screen issue, whe the time comes to where we truely need multitouch for games on the market out nexus's WILL be outdated, or there WILL be a fix for this, i mean geez Cyanogen has nearly finished a fully working Eclair for the g1 already, all i see is hope and excitment for the future of this device, the market also needs some serious time to catch up to apples games (please dont get upset with this, its true) The only thing i can see actually outdating our phones are dual processors capable of OVER 1.5 otherwise i dont believe they will be extinct, not even the 1.3 samsung will hurt the nexus i think considering we can be oc'ed to 1.3 anyways i do believe, or at least close
I don't think that we're being phased out, not until another year. Each phone that comes in the market gets compared to Nexus One.
As far as the development is concerned, its very satisfactory. Comparing the development scene between N1 an iPhone, iPhone sold nearly 50x the units of N1 sold. So most app developers have their focus on iPhone as it stands them a better chance of making more money..... But still development on N1 is much better.....
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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
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I’m beginning to think some people have never bought a phone before, or a computer for that matter.
Did people expect the N1 to the absolute top spec phone forever? Seriously its still amazing compared to most, and measures up nicely in all significant ways to these new phones it keeps getting compared to. Stop trying to bury it before its even close to dead.
There is always something newer coming. No exceptions. There are phones in development now that will top the Evo and Incredible. At some point you have to buy something or you’ll wait forever.
The N1 is Google’s flag ship phone. I bought it for that reason. If Google is developing something cool (like FroYo!) its pretty much guaranteed to come to us first. Its not being phased out. I think there are exciting things to come…
You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
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NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory
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How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
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in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore.
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THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
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Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis.
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As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
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I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that
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Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
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and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
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Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special.
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If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
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I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
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Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.
I don't buy it. I don't like the multitouch sensor they used for the phone, and I think the scrolling could be smoother, but what do you really expect from Google? Short of them sending out free hardware upgrades, what are you really looking for to not feel phased out?
The Nexus One is a great phone, at least for me. Even with the multitouch issues, I'm able to pull off running jumps when I play Super Mario World and the like. And that issue is allegedly being worked on with 2.2. If they flat out said the Nexus One wasn't getting 2.2 then you could make the claim of the Nexus One being phased out.
As far as network issues go, I have zero problems with my AT&T Nexus One and 3G. I live in the DC Metro area, for what it's worth. Most problems I've heard from people are all on T-Mobile. Who's to say the problem isn't on T-Mobile's side instead of Google's? Everyone blames AT&T's network for the iPhone's network issues, but it's pretty clear that the radio in the iPhone is garbage.
We live in a time where there are 1ghz processors in handheld devices. Technology is advancing so fast. It's always going to hurt when your $500+ dollar device isn't the best around anymore, but do you really want forward progress to slow down so you feel like you have the best phone longer?
I think you're being overly paranoid, if you ask me. So long as you love the phone, what do you care?
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You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.
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I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!
You can't compare the modding/dev community of the N1 to the iPhone anyways.
The iphone has FAR more units out there, and the Apple cult is still buying. The iPhone also has more that is needed as far as mods to make it a nice OS.
The iPhone also runs native binaries, so there seem to be a lot more standard systems written for it, or so I was told in my Q&A thread. The iPhone has full apt packaging system, full set of GNU tools, full OpenSSH suite, etc.
The iPhone also has a lot more core teams of dedicated modders, while Android seems to have 1-2, at least for the N1. This is, again, I think due to the fact that the iPhone needs more mods to make it a good OS.
Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.
Not even boobs can rescue the OP's post.
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I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!
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Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.
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I agree wholeheartedly with both of you.
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NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete.
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Can you link these posts?
How is the N1 becoming obsolete? What are your reasons? I have yet to see any indication of this.
updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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What kind of crap is this? Yes, the N1 has received 1 update. Which is 1 more than MANY other Android phones in YEARS.
Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly.
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Here's the Android source code:
http://android.git.kernel.org/
Get to work!
GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money
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Give more WHAT?
Enjoy the wave for as long as it lasts... which will be a long time
Tech wise phones go obsolete much faster than a PC ever would for the simple fact that you are in a closed environment. You can't upgrade the RAM, graphics or CPU on one of these things so shelf life is in terms of months not years. But that's not to say that support will go away for the N1 any time soon. OP is just acknowledging/exhibiting the mid-life crisis that the N1 is in currently. It's still the flagship product and a benchmark for every phone slated to be released this year. Next year may be different--hell I'm sure it will be--but for now, we're good and there's enough power that it'll still be viable 2 years from now. If you need a current tangible example, just look at how many G1's there are out there and how long that phone has been out.
I came from the dismally dysfunctional land of the Epix from Samsung where between them and AT&T, they couldn't figure out who was suppose to be doing the obligatory reach-around. With the N1 there are no more worries about the carrier holding up the updates for a fix to a major problem introduced by another fix almost a year prior for an infantile notification issue., there are no more issues with contractual obilgations to corporate partnerships (Yahoo) with draconian imposed restrictions to enforce it(backflip) and mostly there's no more waiting for the mfg to finally update their license to a newer version OS if they even bother going that route to begin with. Open architecture, open software and an infinite amount of potential for old and new phones is why I'm here and I'm sure a bunch of others are too.
So to anyone else reading this and especially to Sprint customers that are waiting for the N1, catch the wave however you want(N1, Evo, etc) but enjoy it for what it is--a long great ride and loads of fun--cowabunga!
Did somebody say boobs? Er, was I supposed to get something else out of this?
Just want to post some of my thoughts regarding the 'freshness' of Android..
With phones I've had in the past (Symbian, BB) I usually found myself bored with the software/hardware relatively quickly. This is not the case with my Nexus (and Android in general). I've had this phone since March and kept it completely stock until last week because frankly, it did pretty much everything I needed it to. This was a far cry from when I had my Magic and was constantly flashing something every other day (ROM, theme, kernel etc).
With Android I found that there was always something I could install or implement to make my phone seem new again. When I grew tired of the stock 2.1 launcher, it just so happened that Helix Launcher 2 was released. It changed the way I used my phone (direct access to the dialer at all times was huge).
The one issue I had with both Helix and stock though was that the scrolling was sub standard, and boom Launcher Pro releases and resolves that problem. All the while, I kept my phone stock and was satisfied.
Around the time FroYo was announced I got the itch to mod. Not that the stock ROM grew boring or anything, but the techy inside of me wanted to tinker with my $600 phone. When the test build of FroYo leaked, XDA was a madhouse and it was great! I finally unlocked the boot loader, flashed Paul's FroYo and truly felt my N1 was fresh again. Of course a lot of people spent alot of time complaining about what the update didn't include or it's problems but I've always liked to focus on the positives.
After playing around with stock FroYo for a few days I went ahead and flashed ADW Launcher v0.7rc3 and wow, I felt as if I had a completely different phone from a week ago! This is why these launchers and themes (ie. manup's work) are so great, they keep our phones looking new.
Pretty soon, when everyone is tired of stock, the FroYo source will be released and then the Devs can really do what they do best. The influx of ROMS, kernels, themes, launchers etc will keep any N1 user satisfied for a long time. And guess what, when things become really stable and it seems like the development is getting stagnant, Gingerbread will be on it's way!
This is what I love about Android, things never get stale. It doesn't matter if better hardware is coming out, our phones will keep evolving as long as the OS does. I just thought I'd share my thoughts since I've been noticed a lot of negativity since FroYo's release which surprised me.
I totally agree with this post. The nexus one is my first android phone, had it since April, and I'm still totally hooked to my phone, always looking to flash something new, browse the market for new widgets etc.
The iPhone got boring within a week or two, because I totally had what I needed from the App Store, and really there was no other ways to extend more to the iPhone. Had jailbreaked, but pretty much a jailbreak looses all the Apple's touch to it with the themes, and had not really found anything to my likings. The iPhone ended being an SMS/Call phone with some browsing and twitter. Oh and I dislike the notifications.
The BlackBerry was reliable, great battery life, but after a year of using a blackberry, the OS really didn't change much, and I still didn't find ways to make it more interesting. I still love the BlackBerry, but just not to my geekiness tinker experiments I love to make.
No comment on Symbian really, My N-Gage had very similiar software to the N95 (2002 IIRC vs 2007 phone) and it pretty much really didnt fit in the smartphone area. Not to mention to HUGE LACK of apps.
Android, blew everything to the water in my opinion. Browsing through XDA and Modaco is really like browsing through a candy store, you want to try everything, and it's always getting refilled with goodies.
So far, this is MY favorite phone of all time, and I really have no plans to getting something else, or something else on the market that competes with it. Not even the EVO 4G, no 4G coverage here in Malta yet, don't really dig the stand and 4.3inch in my jeans.
And Google doesn't seem to have a break on improving android, and I believe developers and hackers will not hold back either. Long live android!
Well written post. I agree, I've had the wm dash, the g1, & now my nexus. Android & htc make amazing partners. Froyo has impressed me more every time I've used my phone now. Every time I think I'm starting to get bored xda or cyanogenmod have something new to try.
I disagree. I'm bored with mine. i had the g1, behold II (terrible phone), mytouch, and nexus one. I was let down that Froyo had so few features that the user could get excited about. Browsable market is great, chrome to phone is great, but those are niche features. Nothing groundbreaking like when 1.6 brought the universal search, or when 2.0 brought navigation, or 2.1 brought a new design. I'm bored with the phone and will probably get a windows 7 phone when they come out.
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I disagree. I'm bored with mine. i had the g1, behold II (terrible phone), mytouch, and nexus one. I was let down that Froyo had so few features that the user could get excited about. Browsable market is great, chrome to phone is great, but those are niche features. Nothing groundbreaking like when 1.6 brought the universal search, or when 2.0 brought navigation, or 2.1 brought a new design. I'm bored with the phone and will probably get a windows 7 phone when they come out.
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I respect your opinion but look at what you just wrote. Android 1.6 came out in Sept of '09, in 8 months Android has pushed out 2.0, 2.1 and 2.2! You even said yourself that 1.6, 2.0 and 2.1 brought about 'groundbreaking' improvements. That's 3 'groundbreaking' updates in less than a year! I think we're getting a little too spoiled to expect each incremental update to be revolutionary. Fact is no one pushes out constant OS reiterations like Android.
I think JIT (and the associated performance increase - up to 450%!!!) would be a pretty big achievement, and it's one I'm thoroughly excited about.
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I disagree. I'm bored with mine. i had the g1, behold II (terrible phone), mytouch, and nexus one. I was let down that Froyo had so few features that the user could get excited about. Browsable market is great, chrome to phone is great, but those are niche features. Nothing groundbreaking like when 1.6 brought the universal search, or when 2.0 brought navigation, or 2.1 brought a new design. I'm bored with the phone and will probably get a windows 7 phone when they come out.
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You wanting Windows Mobile 7 = Makes your post irrelevant
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I respect your opinion but look at what you just wrote. Android 1.6 came out in Sept of '09, in 8 months Android has pushed out 2.0, 2.1 and 2.2! You even said yourself that 1.6, 2.0 and 2.1 brought about 'groundbreaking' improvements. That's 3 'groundbreaking' updates in less than a year! I think we're getting a little too spoiled to expect each incremental update to be revolutionary. Fact is no one pushes out constant OS reiterations like Android.
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damn bro he got you with that one haha
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Of course a lot of people spent alot of time complaining about what the update didn't include or it's problems but I've always liked to focus on the positives.
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you sir look at the glass half full, not half empty. i applaud you for that. as for the post, i totally agree. there r so many things to change up the look of your android. theres helix launcher, launcher pro, open home, all the roms, frankly, you only get bored eventually if you don't have root.
Agreed. Having a long history of Symbian phones that would each receive only incremental updates that were designed to fix major problems or add features that are standard on other phones, Android is certainly a refreshing experience.
I bought my Nexus One as soon as Google made it available on January 5th and I still feel the magic with it like the day I opened the box. My productivity and organization has gone through the roof with this phone and I don't see myself getting a replacement until, oh, 2011?
Well written post with many positive points some of us fail to remember all the time. I have had multiple BB's and WM devices... I heavily modded my WM devices, and even modded my BB's to an extent. Then one day, I booted Android up on my Kaiser, and there was no turning back. It was like a fresh spring day, and each and every day with Android brings new, unique and interesting discoveries.
I got a G1 about a month after my first experience with Android on my Kaiser, and the N1 a couple weeks after it came out. In the 10 months of using Android, it has never felt stale on my end either. New launcher, new mods, new ROMs, and so forth are allways welcome. But for me, what keeps it feeling fresh is the fact that it is such a smooth clean smartphone OS that just gets the job done.
Sure, there are shortcomings and things it could do better, or even do(audio/video codec improvement would be nice). But as a phone that lets me get my work emails, surf the internet, stay up to date on the news, connect with and communicate with my friends, manage my day and life, there is nothing that compares.
I was showing one of my buddies at work today some FroYo stuff and (one of) the things he said (among "wow" etc ) was looking at the home screen: "wow, your home screen is different every time I see it," haha.
Definitely can't get bored of Android when you can actually customize it. (Hear that Steve? )
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I was showing one of my buddies at work today some FroYo stuff and (one of) the things he said (among "wow" etc ) was looking at the home screen: "wow, your home screen is different every time I see it," haha.
Definitely can't get bored of Android when you can actually customize it. (Hear that Steve? )
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+1. Having a home screen alone is a huge win over the pages of apps stuck in a grid that doesn't give you any relevant information as it is, but having such a customizable, interactive, and useful homescreen is what sets Android way above the competition.
Good thread! I was bored with WM, but can't even keep up with the Android progressive development And that's a good thing
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Well written post with many positive points some of us fail to remember all the time. I have had multiple BB's and WM devices... I heavily modded my WM devices, and even modded my BB's to an extent. Then one day, I booted Android up on my Kaiser, and there was no turning back. It was like a fresh spring day, and each and every day with Android brings new, unique and interesting discoveries.
I got a G1 about a month after my first experience with Android on my Kaiser, and the N1 a couple weeks after it came out. In the 10 months of using Android, it has never felt stale on my end either. New launcher, new mods, new ROMs, and so forth are allways welcome. But for me, what keeps it feeling fresh is the fact that it is such a smooth clean smartphone OS that just gets the job done.
Sure, there are shortcomings and things it could do better, or even do(audio/video codec improvement would be nice). But as a phone that lets me get my work emails, surf the internet, stay up to date on the news, connect with and communicate with my friends, manage my day and life, there is nothing that compares.
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I'm with this guy, lol. My first experience with Android was running it on my Kaiser as well, and it blew my mind - and this was only after I had run out of things to do with WM. Even flaky though it was at the time (no power management, for instance, and an ugly hack to even make the display go to sleep), I was impressed. Then I got a Raphael, tweaked WM as far as I could on that.... and started running Android 2.0.1 on there as the primary OS. Sure, it was still flaky and would occasionally crash, but the smoothness of the interface and all of the various capabilities far outweighed the inconvenience.
And I finally got my first official Android device , the NexusOne, just a few weeks ago now. My only regret is that it took me so long to actually walk into the party rather than just dancing by myself in the street. The freedom represented by this platform is so uplifting. If it doesn't work the way you want it to, you're free to re-work it using free tools from the developer, that will run on any OS. And then the phone's platform will even let you install programs you wrote or code you spliced together without having to jump through a dozen different hoops of differing sizes and strange shapes.
I could go on and on about all the things I love about this platform and this device... and I haven't even gotten proper data access yet! I'm currently in Afghanistan working with a bunch of Air Force guys, and after showing off my phone to them THREE have ordered NexusOnes and there are another two waiting to sell their iPhones before they order. They constantly come around to my tent anxious to see the latest hack or tweak or mod :-D
Thanks for kicking this thread off, jasrups. All the negative threads griping about Android missing "basic features" and doing things the "wrong" way were getting old. Nice to see that some people still appreciate the positives :-D
Cheers.
Absolutely agree.
I sign after every word. If only everyone would try to focus on the positives...
Oh well, I'm a happy camper and glad to see I'm not alone.
Seems a lot of us got a taste for Android on the Kaiser, its exactly what I did! Got an HTC Hero, loved it and developed for it and Google gave me a shiny new Nexus One!
Have to say its an exciting time to be in the Android world, explosive growth will bring lots more "official" apps and a load of other interesting concepts. Plus we have Froyo and Gingerbread, in one year!
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Seems a lot of us got a taste for Android on the Kaiser, its exactly what I did! Got an HTC Hero, loved it and developed for it and Google gave me a shiny new Nexus One!
Have to say its an exciting time to be in the Android world, explosive growth will bring lots more "official" apps and a load of other interesting concepts. Plus we have Froyo and Gingerbread, in one year!
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I used Android as about 70% primary OS on my Rhodium for 2-3 weeks before I finally got the N1. I really wanted the Desire to be honest (hardware buttons and touch screen) but the N1 is an awesome phone and I'm happy I got it.
I tried Android on my Kaiser (SD not NAND) and the experience was pretty poor.. Quite slow. Perhaps NAND is faster, but regardless, it's great we could preview Android before making the big move.
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I could go on and on about all the things I love about this platform and this device... and I haven't even gotten proper data access yet! I'm currently in Afghanistan working with a bunch of Air Force guys, and after showing off my phone to them THREE have ordered NexusOnes and there are another two waiting to sell their iPhones before they order. They constantly come around to my tent anxious to see the latest hack or tweak or mod :-D
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Stay safe in Afghanistan man!
I think it's always most satisfying when you impress an iPhone user. I was about to convert a few of them completely until the iPhone 4G was announced lol.. It's a little different here in Canada though, Android phones are harder to come by and contracts are more ridiculous. Usually a minimum 3 year commitment, with an upgrade only every 2 years.. That's another reason why I bought the Nexus unlocked.. I love the phone, but I would hate to HAVE to keep same phone for a minimum of 2 years, I'll most likely be sticking with unlocked phones from now on.
I remember I had a chance to pick up a G1 when it first came out. I had a Nokia E61i and frankly, I completely brushed the G1 off.. It looked ugly to me (didn't like the bottom chin, especially when the keyboard slid out) and I had read that Android was still very rough around the edges. However I had no idea the modding community was this immense! At that point Nokia was still a powerhouse and my E61i was still kickin it but thinking back, I wish I had looked into the G1 further so I could have seen this grow from the beginning. Last summer I pulled the trigger on the Magic and have been Android since.
+100 for all the positives mentioned out here so far.
When I look at the cribfest that's on right now in other threads, I do wonder: what platforms have these XDA users migrated from? My pre-Android phone was a Sony Ericsson m600i, running UIQ (yes, that failed mod of Symbian). The day I got my G1, I was wowed beyond words, with everything from the Market, to the SDK (which, to be honest, I had been running for months before I got the phone). And this was pre-cupcake!
I discovered XDA along the way, and yes, as someone noted above, it *is* a freaking candy store! Just as important as the OS and the apps, the devs and the user community here have kept the Android experience alive for me. I bought the Nexus One within a week of its Jan 5 launch this year (right after Steve Kondik said he was getting one) . Absolutely. No. Regrets.
Oh, and here's that other thing: Influence. I have five little green Android robots showing up in my gtalk list here in India. And they're all people who've been wowed by the G1/NexusOne in my possession, at one time or the other. Viral marketing/selling works, apparently!
As much as it hurts to say it, my Vibrant is really starting to lose it's charm.
When I first got it, the hardware was great, and the phone ran perfectly. Now after having it for over a month, this is what I'm starting to see:
Lack of life in the market. I see no new innovative games or apps. All the cool apps I downloaded have been on the market for a while.
Lack of development here. There hasn't been much progress in developing in cool ROMS that would make a huge difference on my phone.
The phone is becoming more slow, and not as fluid. Even the 1 or 2 second delays just bothers me to be honest.
Lastly, lack of initiative from Samsung. I know we have all been complaining about Froyo, but it just boggles my mind how little Samsung has been paying attention to it's existing customers. I hope it comes back to bite them sometime in the near future.
These things are becoming more and more apparent to me, and every time I look at and use my phone, I don't feel like I am using a solid, fluid phone, that I can try a lot of new things with in the future.
This is not a complaining thread, so flamers - gtfo.
I just wanted to see if anyone out there sees the same things I am seeing, and if there really is not potential left.
i fail to see how the lack of quality apps in the market falls on the vibrant
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True. This is my first Android phone, so I paired the OS with the hardware.
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As much as it hurts to say it, my Vibrant is really starting to lose it's charm.
When I first got it, the hardware was great, and the phone ran perfectly. Now after having it for over a month, this is what I'm starting to see:
Lack of life in the market. I see no new innovative games or apps. All the cool apps I downloaded have been on the market for a while.
Lack of development here. There hasn't been much progress in developing in cool ROMS that would make a huge difference on my phone.
The phone is becoming more slow, and not as fluid. Even the 1 or 2 second delays just bothers me to be honest.
Lastly, lack of initiative from Samsung. I know we have all been complaining about Froyo, but it just boggles my mind how little Samsung has been paying attention to it's existing customers. I hope it comes back to bite them sometime in the near future.
These things are becoming more and more apparent to me, and every time I look at and use my phone, I don't feel like I am using a solid, fluid phone, that I can try a lot of new things with in the future.
This is not a complaining thread, so flamers - gtfo.
I just wanted to see if anyone out there sees the same things I am seeing, and if there really is not potential left.
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Bye bye ...
But I want to point out some flaws in your logic ...
Lack of life in the Market? Maybe you should change what you are searching for our use some alternative markets, as there are tons of new apps ...
Lack of dev here? Ummmm I have had like 7 diff custom roms on my phone and had it less than 2 months ..
phone slow? I am sure that is caused by all the crap you installed, that really is the only thing that slows the phones down, is having 17 million things running.
Not gonna defend Samsung, but just so the info is correct, Samsung sent 2.2 to all the carriers at the same time, so actually it is Tmobile that is slowing it down, not that makes the wait any less painful ...
And the big thing I wanted to say is ending your post by saying "flamers -GTFO" is like dumping a gallon of gasoline on yourself and running into a burning building and expecting not to catch fire , smarter thing would have been to not even post.
But.. all in all, it's a phone. There can only be only so many cool games for your phone. Great games for consoles and PCs don't come around all the time either. Sometimes you have to wait years for something great to come around again that's a "must have." We are talking about a phone. It's mobile, has some cool stuff to play and do on it... but it's still a phone. It makes and recieves calls, text, pictures, data, etc., lets you browse the web, and other cool little things. It's not, nor ever will be a desktop replacement. No mobile device is perfect. If you want something better, try making it yourself, otherwise, just deal with what we have and work with it.
The "newness" is probably wearing off, but that happens with anything.
This topic is painful.
I can complain and nitpick with the best of them, but my personality sort of forces me to put things into perspective.
Firstly, I'm extremely pleased with my Vibrant. Though GPS at times has a mind of it's own with the post JI2 fixes it performs adequately for me while driving. I'm sure there are those who have a vested interest in the GPS being more reliable and accurate to be sure, I'm just not one of those people.
Getting beyond the GPS there is very little I can complain about. Among my friends there are a wide variety of smartphones. Several iPhones (3gs, 4), EVO 4G, several 3g Slides, several more MT3G's, and two friends with "other" Galaxy S phones, a Fascinate and an Epic 4G. I come from a past filled with a Behold II, a G1, a Palm Centro, and an original iPhone. And this phone is way better than any phone I've ever had and generally better than most of my friends phones I've played with.
In a forum like this one we have a tendency to get "tunnel vision". Forums like this exist for users to help and inform one another, but through this minor snags can get blown up into major headaches. I'd invite anyone angsty about the Vibrant to go see how the other half lives over in the HTC, Motorola, and LG threads and see that it's relatively a bed of roses for us in comparison. At least that's my take given my casual peeks into the forums for the other new smartphones out.
This doesn't mean I'm giving Samsung or T-Mobile a "get out of jail free" card. Both Samsung *AND* T-Mobile have horrible histories when it comes to updating Android devices, either in a timely manner or even AT ALL.
T-Mobile, to it's discredit has yet to have a single successful (meaning the update wasn't pulled at some point for problems it created) OTA of any android device since 2009.
From looking at Samsung's handling of the Galaxy S, given a cursory glance at it's own wonky revisioning system, it's no wonder that it's taken far too long for 2.1 to get fully fixed and 2.2 to progress beyond beta. Releasing this platform on a ridiculous amount of carriers, whilst simultaneously trying to cater to those carriers customization demands has obviously led to an extremely fragmented development process for us. A victim of runaway success, or a victim of their crappy development processes, it's difficult to say.
Either way as consumers we should be adamant that T-Mobile and Samsung take responsibility for their products. But, at the same time, we should step back and realize this is a smartphone and ask ourselves if it's doing what we want it to do.
If it is, then take a deep breath and count to ten. If it isn't, then take a look at how the rest of the smartphone universe is really functioning before you jump ship, only to be disappointed all over again.
Some of peoples ire here is buyers remorse, focused and whipped into extremes because of where you happen to be focusing your attention. Do what I'm about to do, which is pick up my Vibrant and call some friends so we can all go unplug with some tasty sushi and sake!
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I can complain and nitpick with the best of them, but my personality sort of forces me to put things into perspective.
Firstly, I'm extremely pleased with my Vibrant. Though GPS at times has a mind of it's own with the post JI2 fixes it performs adequately for me while driving. I'm sure there are those who have a vested interest in the GPS being more reliable and accurate to be sure, I'm just not one of those people.
Getting beyond the GPS there is very little I can complain about. Among my friends there are a wide variety of smartphones. Several iPhones (3gs, 4), EVO 4G, several 3g Slides, several more MT3G's, and two friends with "other" Galaxy S phones, a Fascinate and an Epic 4G. I come from a past filled with a Behold II, a G1, a Palm Centro, and an original iPhone. And this phone is way better than any phone I've ever had and generally better than most of my friends phones I've played with.
In a forum like this one we have a tendency to get "tunnel vision". Forums like this exist for users to help and inform one another, but through this minor snags can get blown up into major headaches. I'd invite anyone angsty about the Vibrant to go see how the other half lives over in the HTC, Motorola, and LG threads and see that it's relatively a bed of roses for us in comparison. At least that's my take given my casual peeks into the forums for the other new smartphones out.
This doesn't mean I'm giving Samsung or T-Mobile a "get out of jail free" card. Both Samsung *AND* T-Mobile have horrible histories when it comes to updating Android devices, either in a timely manner or even AT ALL.
T-Mobile, to it's discredit has yet to have a single successful (meaning the update wasn't pulled at some point for problems it created) OTA of any android device since 2009.
From looking at Samsung's handling of the Galaxy S, given a cursory glance at it's own wonky revisioning system, it's no wonder that it's taken far too long for 2.1 to get fully fixed and 2.2 to progress beyond beta. Releasing this platform on a ridiculous amount of carriers, whilst simultaneously trying to cater to those carriers customization demands has obviously led to an extremely fragmented development process for us. A victim of runaway success, or a victim of their crappy development processes, it's difficult to say.
Either way as consumers we should be adamant that T-Mobile and Samsung take responsibility for their products. But, at the same time, we should step back and realize this is a smartphone and ask ourselves if it's doing what we want it to do.
If it is, then take a deep breath and count to ten. If it isn't, then take a look at how the rest of the smartphone universe is really functioning before you jump ship, only to be disappointed all over again.
Some of peoples ire here is buyers remorse, focused and whipped into extremes because of where you happen to be focusing your attention. Do what I'm about to do, which is pick up my Vibrant and call some friends so we can all go unplug with some tasty sushi and sake!
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Well said. The only thing that bugs me with the Vibrant is how long its taking to get the GPS fix out but other than that I am 99% satisfied.
nearblack said:
As much as it hurts to say it, my Vibrant is really starting to lose it's charm.
When I first got it, the hardware was great, and the phone ran perfectly. Now after having it for over a month, this is what I'm starting to see:
Lack of life in the market. I see no new innovative games or apps. All the cool apps I downloaded have been on the market for a while.
Lack of development here. There hasn't been much progress in developing in cool ROMS that would make a huge difference on my phone.
The phone is becoming more slow, and not as fluid. Even the 1 or 2 second delays just bothers me to be honest.
Lastly, lack of initiative from Samsung. I know we have all been complaining about Froyo, but it just boggles my mind how little Samsung has been paying attention to it's existing customers. I hope it comes back to bite them sometime in the near future.
These things are becoming more and more apparent to me, and every time I look at and use my phone, I don't feel like I am using a solid, fluid phone, that I can try a lot of new things with in the future.
This is not a complaining thread, so flamers - gtfo.
I just wanted to see if anyone out there sees the same things I am seeing, and if there really is not potential left.
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I completely agree with every point you made! It kind of being a let down, coming from having 2G, 3G, 3GS iPhones...I really sometimes miss the availability of all apps on the apple app store...HOWEVER...I think Andriod is going to surpass Apple app store and OS, just give it a little bit of time and you are going to be much happier.... I remember having the same type of frustrations when the 2G came out, specially not being able to forward messages, copy and past, lack of updates....etc... and plus the drop calls of iphone/att.. So give some time for Samsung and Andriod to grow and I think all of us going to be much happier with Froyo.
And the big thing I wanted to say is ending your post by saying "flamers -GTFO" is like dumping a gallon of gasoline on yourself and running into a burning building and expecting not to catch fire , smarter thing would have been to not even post.
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I lold so hard.
And if ur phone is laggy how about, oh, I dunno, a lagfix? And uninstall all those "japanese sexy girl" apps.
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The Galaxy S has never really been "fluid."
Scrolling has a "jerky" feel, which is immediately apparent if you compare it to the iPhone.
The EVO is also noticeably smoother than the Samsung (although still not as fluid as the iPhone).
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The Galaxy S has never really been "fluid."
Scrolling has a "jerky" feel, which is immediately apparent if you compare it to the iPhone.
The EVO is also noticeably smoother than the Samsung (although still not as fluid as the iPhone).
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The "jerky" feel is due to the OS rather than the hardware as the vibrant has an equal or faster processor than the iPhone according to Anandtech review not to mention a much faster GPU. Also in the review it called the SGS as the fastest android even after using the EVO previously. I agree that the iPhone has the smoothest scrolling as I used to have the 2G and even on that, scrolling was extremely smooth.
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Well said. The only thing that bugs me with the Vibrant is how long its taking to get the GPS fix out but other than that I am 99% satisfied.
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This. I bought my phone day one as soon as the store opened, and I still love everything about it, especially now that JI2 has fixed my GPS.
With all the little quirks and mishaps i've had with this device (none of which have been a deal breaker for me) I am still very pleased i purchased this phone. To me it just seems to be getting better and better. Yes just like anyone else I would love to have Froyo and would love for my GPS to work 100% all the time but that is just a chance you take with technology and new devices. You learn to cope and deal. Really isnt that hard to grasp.
Only because it runs rock solid for me, I don't need to do anymore tweaks or anything.
Hoping Froyo brings in more developers and makes things a little more fun.
Vibrant too is my first android phone and also my very first smart phone. Although, I have owned 3 different iPod Touches, so that at least gives me some perspective of how a "smart" Mobile OS should be such as Android, iOS, etc.
I am very please with the hardware, and Android in general. However, coming from iOS, android does felt short in terms of upgrade path. ROM from independent developers are great but the lack of proper channel for official OS update really is the "nail in the coffin" kinda of thing.
With the exception of iOS 4 which excluded 2g, 3g iPhone; Apple users can expect an update on a timely yearly basis which usually adds features and bug fixes. It just makes you feel better when you know that an official update is definitely coming. We are kinda stuck in the situation where we are depended on Samsung to push for the update. Sigh.
Other than that, I am really glad I made the switch, the notification bar is my all time favor and of course Multitasking.
Samsung has dropped the ball in a lot of ways. I am inclined to say that the superior Android maker is HTC--just my opinion. Nevertheless, this phone its really growing on me, perhaps because of all of its nuances. I have learned a lot trying to mod the phone and create my own fixes. The hardware on this phone is rather amazing, so I know that if I get the software right I will love it. The first glimpse of that was when I installed Bionix 1.3. If you do not have it, then go get it in the dev thread. 1.4 should be releasing soon. Bionix has rejuvenated my interest in the Vibrant.
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Wahhhhhhh go get an iphone!
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Why do people expect everything to come out fast by big companies? Motorola's wireless division, which is probably still small compared to when they were big in the past, only concentrates on Android, thus faster releases. HTC has been in the ball game since day 1 and is basically purely concentrating on Android until WP7 comes out. Samsung, well, I don't even know. There division makes all kinds of phones and working on different OSs while HTC and Motorola are concentrating only on Android. Oh, everyone should know how slow T-mobile is with updates. Really, they aren't the fastest ones around. With T-mobile, it's always been quality over speed.
Anyways, stop making pointless complaint topics, we don't need any more to clutter this forum. That's what I'm basically trying to say.
This is my first Motorola Android phone as I came from the Evo. But my question is with everybody keep talking about motoblur slowing the phone down...particularly the Atrix...is this a proven fact that motoblur is slowing it down? And I hope I don't come off wrong when I ask that, but I seriously want to know. I used Motoblur and to me it's great. It allows me to resize widgets and add more widgets to the screens, unlike HTC widgets that take up the entire screen. And I also installed Launcherpro Plus which is a great alternative to Motoblur if one so chooses to use it.
I for one was honestly thinking about going to the iPhone, just because I got my wife one and the popularity of it. But damn, that phone is really locked down, it's no way I can switch to that thing. You can't facetime Chat off wifi and a lot more other things. And I have yet to see any type of navigation app that could compete with Google Maps.
But nevertheless, I like the Atrix and everything about it. My Co-workers was amazed at the speed of it and the crispiness of the display. Sure it's no SAMOLED screen but it's way better than the Evo and I assume the Inspire as well. The battery life of the Atrix is what made me keep it over my Evo. And for all the Inspire phone people, the Atrix runs circles around the Inspire without being OC'd. But imagine if the Atrix was overclocked...then what would the Inspire Fan Peeps be saying then...oh I know, it'll be tread entitled, "I returned my Inspire for the Atrix ......"
I think all these threads about people returning the phone is that people see other phones coming out and they need to find a reason to return the Atrix to make themselves feel good. I mean, for every excuse people then posted for returning the phone, is a fix...
Don't like motoblur----Get Launcherpro or ADW Launcher or some other launcher
Lagginess-------Check your apps, maybe go so far as uninstalling them all and reinstalling them one by one to see if lagginess is still present
Battery Life----check what you have running and check for partial wakes
Locked Bootloader----I guess if you're into roms and stuff and don't want to wait it out, you have no choice but to return it.
if all fails, factory reset and/or get an exchange.
But why exchange after the first problem you have? If you want to return it just because you don't like it or it doesn't fit you...then by all means, please do. But if you're unwilling to put forth the effort of 5-15 minutes to try and fix some of these issues then go get an iphone or something that's VERY SIMPLE. Because what some people would do is get rid of the Atrix go out and get another top of the line Android device...have issues with that or complain that it's a feature missing that should've been there...and the cycle repeats itself.
In addition, like I stated in my other post somewhere on here....it will be updates for this phone but give it time. The Evo had issues and everybody got all uptight now everything is all good. It's one of the most active sub-forum here on xda.
Wow....sorry for the rant....I just had to get all of this off my chest
Amen! Agree 100%
People return this phone because it has a LOCKED BOOTLOADER. All their hopes to get custom Roms are shattered. Lag here or there don't matter because Android OS itself is a laggy OS compare to iOS anyway.
I personally think that iOS is the better way to go because of the well designed environment. Android's premature and also update is a mess which causing so many fragmentations.
Hopefully WP7 can solve that universal update on various hardware. Sometimes too open is not a good idea, because manufactures use the open software to develop a close platform on top doesn't benefit consumers directly unless you do the hacks.
Sigh... I'm disappointed about Android's fragmentation that's all. Me too am very interested to get the Atrix because of the Webtop even it's choppy. But man a locked down bootloader... that means... I have to wait for Motorola to update the Gingerbread maybe in 2012!
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People return this phone because it has a LOCKED BOOTLOADER. All their hopes to get custom Roms are shattered. Lag here or there don't matter because Android OS itself is a laggy OS compare to iOS anyway.
I personally think that iOS is the better way to go because of the well designed environment. Android's premature and also update is a mess which causing so many fragmentations.
Hopefully WP7 can solve that universal update on various hardware. Sometimes too open is not a good idea, because manufactures use the open software to develop a close platform on top doesn't benefit consumers directly unless you do the hacks.
Sigh... I'm disappointed about Android's fragmentation that's all. Me too am very interested to get the Atrix because of the Webtop even it's choppy. But man a locked down bootloader... that means... I have to wait for Motorola to update the Gingerbread maybe in 2012!
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Do it take Motorola a long time to release updates?
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Do it take Motorola a long time to release updates?
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Generally no. I think they're the second best at updating their devices behind HTC.
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Generally no. I think they're the second best at updating their devices behind HTC.
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Ok...well that's cool. As long as Motorola isn't like Samsung.
Only lagginess I've encountered on the Atrix was from an LED control app (I believe it was Light Flow), and it was more than lag, it was freezing up my phone. So I uninstalled it. No big deal. None of the Motoblur widgets seemed to slow or lag anything.
Thumbs up to OP.
All the threads I have seen about returning thier phone are such a waste of space on this board.
If you want to point out issues that's fine but you dont need to start a thread for that.
I just find that most of the posts I have read completely lack objectivity and seem to be rooted in frustration.
Totally agree with the OP. So far I love my atrix, and have tweeked it quite a bit to suit my needs. I do wish I could customize a bit more, but its not that big of a deal. Granted I upgraded from a TP2 so I don't have too much to compare to =D
I'm highly upset that there is a locked bootloader; that is probably the only reason I took the phone back; I loves everything else about it.
I'm waiting for the Galaxy S 2 to see if that's worth the money; I know the specs are amazing and the developer community behind it is going to be great as well.
EDIT: SEE POST #14.. I'VE ALREADY SWITCHED TO A THUNDERBOLT
So I've been an avid follower of android over the past year.. rooting, trying different roms.. doing some adb programming.. coming up with some simple mods etc.. No question that Android is a tinkerer's paradise!
there are a few things that irk me about android in general.. which is not necessarily android's fault.
first and foremost there seems to be an alienation between the device manufacturers and android.. in the sense Android (with it's flavors) is probably the fastest OS to get obsolete by another flavor of itself. We have Sense 3.0 that is coming up in Summer.. Droid Incredible still hasn't seen any gingerbread or sense 2.5 development OFFICIALLY!..
True there are custom roms of the same available.. but it is patchy at best in terms of the whole android experience coming from the manufacturer. We all know the limitations of the Z-roms.. a lot of us are no fans of vanilla android and so on..
Lets face it.. the camera/ 720p recording on iphone 4 is unparalleled (try it first hand to believe it).. not to mention the display is gorgeous albeit smaller.
The OS integration with the hardware is very appealing with the iphone4.
I'm getting a little tired with the constantly changing android environment. I am equally miffed at the fact that many android devices including my Droid Inc are left alone to the user to be developed and enhanced. After a year of trying roms, keeping up with mods, working out bugs, testing etc.. I think my experience as a USER of the device.. is somewhat shadowed.
I'm thinking of making a jump to the Iphone where development is more organized compared to android.
I'm not an apple fan boy.. so please don't bash me if you don't like my post
The iPhone 4 is definitely an awesome piece of hardware. I say go for it and if you get tired of that come back to android.
You will miss Android keyboards. I'm sure of that!
I've actually been thinking about the same thing. My buddy just got the iPhone 4and it's a nice phone.
Now the Incredible is my 1st smart phone and I've had it since pre-order. I rooted as soon as it became available and have been flashing ever since. I really love Android, but agree with some of the things you've discussed in the OP.
I still have till Christmas before I am eligible for an upgrade, so I have plenty of time to contemplate my decision.
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So I've been an avid follower of android over the past year.. rooting, trying different roms.. doing some adb programming.. coming up with some simple mods etc.. No question that Android is a tinkerer's paradise!
there are a few things that irk me about android in general.. which is not necessarily android's fault.
first and foremost there seems to be an alienation between the device manufacturers and android.. in the sense Android (with it's flavors) is probably the fastest OS to get obsolete by another flavor of itself. We have Sense 3.0 that is coming up in Summer.. Droid Incredible still hasn't seen any gingerbread or sense 2.5 development OFFICIALLY!..
True there are custom roms of the same available.. but it is patchy at best in terms of the whole android experience coming from the manufacturer. We all know the limitations of the Z-roms.. a lot of us are no fans of vanilla android and so on..
Lets face it.. the camera/ 720p recording on iphone 4 is unparalleled (try it first hand to believe it).. not to mention the display is gorgeous albeit smaller.
The OS integration with the hardware is very appealing with the iphone4.
I'm getting a little tired with the constantly changing android environment. I am equally miffed at the fact that many android devices including my Droid Inc are left alone to the user to be developed and enhanced. After a year of trying roms, keeping up with mods, working out bugs, testing etc.. I think my experience as a USER of the device.. is somewhat shadowed.
I'm thinking of making a jump to the Iphone where development is more organized compared to android.
I'm not an apple fan boy.. so please don't bash me if you don't like my post
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My recommendation would be at least to wait for the iPhone 5. There would be no point in downgrading to a smaller screen.
Iphone 5 is not due until Fall 2012 or early 2012 at the earliest.
The only point I would disagree with is the camera/camcorder. My girlfriend has an iPhone 4, and her pictures and video do not turn out nearly as well as those from my Droid Incredible. Removing any subjective analysis, the iPhone only has a 5MP sensor compared to the Incredible's 8MP.
That said, Nokia has put out phones with much better cameras than either.
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I say you go ahead and give it a go. I've played with a few iPhone 4's and they are quality pieces and very smooth. As long as you stay with Verizon, you can always return it within that 30-day period if you are unhappy with it (of course you have topay a restocking fee though).
I just can't get over the fact that everwhere you go you see someone with the same phone. I personally tend to go against the norm. I not very well acquainted with the customization of the iPhones but I have heard it's on par with what we have going with Android.
kriskmk said:
Iphone 5 is not due until Fall 2012 or early 2012 at the earliest.
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A leaked Verizon document stated differently. Also that doesn't seem to fit Apple's release patterns? Just saying.
I switched to Android from iOS and I do agree about the screen, camera and hardware but for me Android doesn't compare to iOS. If I wanted a phone that did as advertised and only that I would choose the iPhone but if I want more control and customizable options I would go with Android. But that's just me, for you the iPhone seems to satisfy.
Jacksonroh said:
more control and customizable options I would go with Android.
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That is a nice feature; being able to download ROMS and change them as you like I will agree. How much control do you need though? What options do you not have available on the iPhone that you will not live without?
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That is a nice feature; being able to download ROMS and change them as you like I will agree. How much control do you need though? What options do you not have available on the iPhone that you will not live without?
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Yea, I am all for customizations and like I said..I tweaked the heck out of it.. but the downside of constantly customizing is you gotta keep up with revisions, market updates, bugs etc... and pretty soon ...though the pleasure of tweaking is always there.. there is a setback to the user experience.
The one thing that I think (at this point) that I absolutely need is Widgets. Don't have that on an iphone.. and don't know if that is something I can live without.
I also came from IOS (albiet an iPod Touch). The only thing I say it beats android in is text selection. I can do everything in 1/5th the time it took me on iOS. I was VERY skeptical of Android and preferred an iPhone a year ago on Vzw. I was actually WAITING on it. I'm so glad it came this year instead of last. Now, I have absolutely ZERO desire to be sucked back into the problem that is Apple and their godlike stance over their customers.
Take that for what its worth I guess. I also have a Mac and used to love it. But after multiple times of it burning several hours of my weekend for simple things a PC did better and for free, I've become an avid "hater" of Apple (and I don't say that about many companies). They overprice everything, but they know their uses will blindly go and shell out money. Take music downloads -- iTunes may be easier to use than Amazon MP3 (before CloudDrive), but I've saved so much money over the years switching to Amazon. Lets not even go into their overrated hardware or the times where they can provide a feature but don't so they can add it in a year to make just one more money. Our Dinc's may not be top dog anymore, but at least the hardware is good enough to push us into next year and beyond.
Speaking of beyond... I'm thinking about making a security came out of Dinc when I get another phone. hehe
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I switched to Android from iOS and I do agree about the screen, camera and hardware but for me Android doesn't compare to iOS. If I wanted a phone that did as advertised and only that I would choose the iPhone but if I want more control and customizable options I would go with Android. But that's just me, for you the iPhone seems to satisfy.
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I couldn't imagine a life without Android inspite all of my complaints...it'd been a love affair for the past 1 year..I do have an Ipad..which is a giant iphone without the phone...
So I bought a thunderbolt today with my employee discount.
.after swapping contracts with my wife.... for about 150 bucks.. and boy do I love it!.. I thought the display would not be as good as the droid incredible... but trust me it's a lot better...and a 1550 quadrant score out the box! I guess it's time to switch communities.... thanks for everything guys.
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Congrats on the TB! Lucky bastard
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So I've been an avid follower of android over the past year.. rooting, trying different roms.. doing some adb programming.. coming up with some simple mods etc.. No question that Android is a tinkerer's paradise!
there are a few things that irk me about android in general.. which is not necessarily android's fault.
first and foremost there seems to be an alienation between the device manufacturers and android.. in the sense Android (with it's flavors) is probably the fastest OS to get obsolete by another flavor of itself. We have Sense 3.0 that is coming up in Summer.. Droid Incredible still hasn't seen any gingerbread or sense 2.5 development OFFICIALLY!..
True there are custom roms of the same available.. but it is patchy at best in terms of the whole android experience coming from the manufacturer. We all know the limitations of the Z-roms.. a lot of us are no fans of vanilla android and so on..
Lets face it.. the camera/ 720p recording on iphone 4 is unparalleled (try it first hand to believe it).. not to mention the display is gorgeous albeit smaller.
The OS integration with the hardware is very appealing with the iphone4.
I'm getting a little tired with the constantly changing android environment. I am equally miffed at the fact that many android devices including my Droid Inc are left alone to the user to be developed and enhanced. After a year of trying roms, keeping up with mods, working out bugs, testing etc.. I think my experience as a USER of the device.. is somewhat shadowed.
I'm thinking of making a jump to the Iphone where development is more organized compared to android.
I'm not an apple fan boy.. so please don't bash me if you don't like my post
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When I was still a T-Mobile customer, I had the 1st Android powered smartphone, the HTC Dream/G1. Boy did I love that phone. Once I rooted and started flashing I couldn't stop... After the HTC Magic/MyTouch 1.2 came out, I moved to that. The story was no different there. Roms, roms, and more roms. I moved to a BlackBerry for a time after that before finally giving up and leaving Magenta in favor of Big Red. Once there I had the LG Ally, and returned that after it overheated. In exchange I walked away with the OG Droid and loved it! Eventually, I moved to the Inc after acquiring the device through a 3rd party. Once the touch display stopped functioning I got the iPhone 4 out of necessity because the Thunderbolt was delayed, delayed, delayed. I loved my iPhone, the picture/video quality was superb. Facetime was nice, and the games... Geeze I miss Infinity Blade. Anyway, I soon became tired of the OS itself. The lack of customization was rather boring. I found myself spending more money in the Cydia store than Itunes. I was constantly buying themes and whatnot. After a time I could no longer cope without Android. I found the Thunderbolt on Craigslist and traded my used iPhone for the NEW Thunderbolt! I know this was a long post, and I expect to see the classic, "Cool story bro." comments. Long story short, do what makes you happy, make a decision and stick with it. Me? I'm an Android guy through and through.
ethan.r.besbris said:
When I was still a T-Mobile customer, I had the 1st Android powered smartphone, the HTC Dream/G1. Boy did I love that phone. Once I rooted and started flashing I couldn't stop... After the HTC Magic/MyTouch 1.2 came out, I moved to that. The story was no different there. Roms, roms, and more roms. I moved to a BlackBerry for a time after that before finally giving up and leaving Magenta in favor of Big Red. Once there I had the LG Ally, and returned that after it overheated. In exchange I walked away with the OG Droid and loved it! Eventually, I moved to the Inc after acquiring the device through a 3rd party. Once the touch display stopped functioning I got the iPhone 4 out of necessity because the Thunderbolt was delayed, delayed, delayed. I loved my iPhone, the picture/video quality was superb. Facetime was nice, and the games... Geeze I miss Infinity Blade. Anyway, I soon became tired of the OS itself. The lack of customization was rather boring. I found myself spending more money in the Cydia store than Itunes. I was constantly buying themes and whatnot. After a time I could no longer cope without Android. I found the Thunderbolt on Craigslist and traded my used iPhone for the NEW Thunderbolt! I know this was a long post, and I expect to see the classic, "Cool story bro." comments. Long story short, do what makes you happy, make a decision and stick with it. Me? I'm an Android guy through and through.
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Cool story broman.
I like a good Android plot-line.
POQbum said:
Cool story broman.
I like a good Android plot-line.
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I figured I'd get at least one. Ha!
In my opinion, stick with the Android. I just had an upgrade from Verizon and I figured what the heck, let me see what all this iPhone hype is all about. Well, after my first full day with the iPhone, the only thing I can find that the iPhone has over my Incredible, is the battery life. Gmail wouldn't push unless I used a workaround, you can't hide the keyboard, no separate volume controls for the ringer, email, and text, there is no back button to go back to an app you may have left, no trackball, no weather widget with clock, I sent a ringtone that I made through MMS and there is no option to save as ringtone,you can't share youtube videos through sms-only through email, and you are tied to stupid iTunes when adding pictures and media. Like I said, the ONLY reason I am keeping this iPhone, is for the battery life. When the Droid commercial says "Droid Does", they are telling the truth. I NEVER came across anything I tried on that phone that didn't do what I needed from it. Again, these are my opinions and I'm sure an iPhone fanboy will argue my points.
As many others, I too have extensive experience using both OSs daily.
Android makes a more usable phone. iOS makes a better tablet.