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Preparing to flash "Darky's Raw Steel Edition v3.0" i went back to JM9 and played around for a bit, for nostalgia's sake.
And then something crossed my mind...
"Damn! this is fast!"
Even without a lagfix or overclock, or even anything custom, JM9 is so much faster then the froyo releases we have currently...
The startup animation is actually an animation not a slideshow
Scrolling is no longer jumpy and laggy, it once again, tracks your finger like it should
The internet browser is no longer a useless pile of S*%t, i forgot how damn good the eclair one was, no longer do i need opera mini
The music player no longer lags when scrolling through a large song list, and it no longer freezes up when playing in the background (! wtf??)
Touchwiz scrolling is much improved
Launcher pro no longer lags, especially in the app drawer
We have more ram, without having to resort to gutting potentially vital VGA buffers
Im sure i am going to find some more... after using JPM, JP6 and JPA for a few weeks nearly now and not once being happy with performance, i have flashed so many custom roms, tried every filesystem on universal lagfix, voodoo, alpha overclock and ram mods and still i am not happy one bit.
Sure we may have a higher linpack score, we may have a few new features, but the performance and experience has not improved, and this is what froyo is supposed to be about!
I cant believe how much Samsung has messed up, we have been waiting months for this!
There, i said it...
Anyone else care to share their opinion?
I would stay on 2.1 JM9 if only there was a kernal with the universal lagfix (jfs with startup tweaks) + OC + Memory Tweaks.
Ugly truth. Only thing better in froyo is newer version number.
Oh. And stereo FM Radio.
And..
Version number?
INeedYourHelp said:
I would stay on 2.1 JM9 if only there was a kernal with the universal lagfix (jfs with startup tweaks) + OC + Memory Tweaks.
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You may not have JFS but you have voodoo, there is raspdeeps OC kernel, and to start with we have more ram anyway and (seemingly, well, the broswer doesn't take 120mb now atleast) better memory management
Eclair feels like a polished engine
Froyo feels like a polished turd
I was all for froyo simply for the flash.... then i found out how ****ty flash was. The only flash site I go to that was good was Youtube. All my other flash video sites were complete crap (i like to watch livestream/ustream starcraft games on teamliquid.net and it was unwatchable with sgs flash.)
Infact the browser is ridiculously better in eclair.
How much ram does it take to load pocketnow full desktop version?
Froyo: 120mb+, followed by a memory dump, allot of lag and a FC
Eclair: 30mb, yeah, 30mb, with smooth pinch to zoom, and no lag
I totally agree, JM9, then I've put tayutama super lite 1.2 for eclair ofcourse, along with voodoo lagfix and Bln. Its the best i've found so far, and i've tested all others, but none is so good as the JM9 config i have.
Why are we bothering to go to froyo when we can have a very good eclair rom, which really is super fast, without any lag, extremely stable. All is perfect in here. I've even got setcpu to 1.2ghz. And i got quadrant scores of 2085, at times 1895, it but its between 1800 and 2085. So, its really good.
Now, i don't really think the benchmark is what we should rely on. What we need to see is the everyday use, and i must say its Perfect, the best ive used, and im loving this phone more and more. And now i can even use live wallpapers, its not even slowing my phone, whereas with all froyo rom, it was slowing my phone a bit.
Guys, try Jm9 with tayutama superlite 1.2 with voodoo lagfix and setcpu. Forget the froyo roms, u'll be disappointed.
Yeah that is what i was using before 'upgrading' to froyo, i really forgot how good it was...
Unless some dev (cyanogen, desire hd port, not counting samsung as losing faith...) pulls off something amazing with froyo i really see absolutely no reason to go to froyo.
The browser even benches the same in browserbench, ~28,500 no mods
Its really strange because in certain benchmarks froyo is a fair bit faster, but none of it translates to general usage
I've been unwilling to change to Froyo ever since hearing about the huge amount of memory used by the browser, and corresponding FCs. I'd like JIT and Flash etc., but it really does seem like Eclair is better at the moment.
Flash in JPM is terrible, when you scroll the page the flash box isn't even anchored to the page, it jumps about. looks really bad
its almost impossible to scroll the screen once you are over a flash box, it just doesn't register
Whilst I agree that eclair is better at the moment, I have to wonder why this thread is in the Dev forum. i9000 General is that way --->
nobody reads that forum!
agreed i installed darky's 3.0 froyo rom and its ok...
like yall are saying its not better by any means... as a matter of fact my data now is giving me problems... and market place too...
my questions is how do i get back to eclair? whats the best 2.1 rom out right now?
JM9 + Voodoo = Blazing Fast! : )
Tayutama jm9 + oc kernel (with voodoo) + noop scheduler
It makes jpm its *****
Lol
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Yeah i have to agree with you all.The performance in froyo is simply disapointing.I dont expect the final release from samsung to be better.Im only staying with froyo because of the great work made by some devs with the universal lagfix.I will try the official when its ready.And probably after that i will return to eclair.
Yeah I definitely appreciate all the work done by the devs here, if only samsung were half decent at software...maybe we should petition google saying samsung is ruining androids name, give us some love too google!
But I thought there was no official froyo for galaxy s yet?
I don't believe that, Samsung obviously released it on purpose then withdrew it after people complained about phones bricking with the OTA, and how bad it is.
Either that or someone must have got fired for uploading the source and the rom onto the kies server
I'll have to respectfully disagree. I was pretty disappointed with Froyo initially, but my current config is a speed monster.
Kalpik's JPA ROM (pre merger with Doc)
ULF No-RFS advanced e4 (selected option to not backup, so wipe after lagfix)
All kernel tweaks
Minfree at "optimal"
The browser specifically is faster than eclaire, I have no doubt about that. Even with full facebook pages open, it consumes something like 10 to 20 MB.
Contacts, dialer, MMS, mail, everything opens instantly and scrolls very smoothly. Before this, (and several disappointing froyo ROMs) I was on JM9 + Tayutama + Voodoo, and I can assure you this feels just as fast, if not faster (browser is definitely MUCH faster)
EDIT: I can't edit the thread title, but I meant "Official Sense 2.2" ...and also "choose" not "chose" .
Hi all,
Now that you can grab the official 2.2 ROM (thanks devs!!), what would you class the main reasons for running it, over something like Azure, which we've had for some time?
Please list your reasons here, as I really can't see the need to change from Azure?! This is what I can think of...
- For Sense
- For Radio (FM, etc)
- For working WiFi
Root can void warranty?
c_man said:
Hi all,
Now that you can grab the official 2.2 ROM (thanks devs!!), what would you class the main reasons for running it, over something like Azure, which we've had for some time?
Please list your reasons here, as I really can't see the need to change from Azure?! This is what I can think of...
- For Sense
- For Radio (FM, etc)
- For working WiFi
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During the last month and a half I have used Azure, CM nighlies and CM 6.1 RC1. Today I flashed the official 2.2 ROM update. I was very impressed by CM because of its speed and smoothness, especially CM 6.1RC1. The benchmark tests give almost identical results. Having in mind that CM is using the old .29 kernel I think it will get higher performance levels with the new .32 kernel. The only things I really miss on CM is the Sense dialer and the Sense weather widget. I really cannot tell which is better. The more ROMs available the better! I think it will be great if someone could implement dual-boot for the Legend
The obvious one being sense - I love it.
Working FM Radio, GPS, and Bluetooth (unlike most custom 2.2's I've used recently)
Working Market Place
Live wallpapers as standard
Better Radio (improved reception and wifi)
Ability to move programs to SD card without reformatting (a2sd)
Oh and the only program I used to root for is already built in - Flashlight! - its much better than any variants I've used before (3 light brightness settings etc).
oh and more HTC sensey widgets available too and WIFI hotspot program built in as standard
and I prefer the standard HTC keyboard instead of the bogstandard android one
Freedom of choice, ain't it great!
I like sense, I like not having to reformat my sd card to move apps. I tried launcher pro plus (bought it) and adw, bought beautiful widgets expecting more from it but was disappointed.
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TheLegendaryJay said:
Freedom of choice, ain't it great!
I like sense, I like not having to reformat my sd card to move apps. I tried launcher pro plus (bought it) and adw, bought beautiful widgets expecting more from it but was disappointed.
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Couldn't agree more. Also, having your wifi work is kinda nice.
Wifi is working loads better now, the new drivers are awesome.
I am actually not that impressed with the 2.2 update but I wasn`t expecting too much either.
The WiFi reception is great of course and a major plus. The camera is also very smooth and overall speed is superior to the old kernel. The list of official Froyo only features I need ends here though.
On the other hand...
- I don't mind reformating my SD Card to use App2SD
- I am not enough into FB or Twitter to "need" the Sense widgets
- Never used the FM radio before rooting and probably never will
- Already replaced the official keyboard with SlideIt
- I really hate not being able to clean up my app drawer
- The Froyo dock is ugly and lacks usability. LauncherPro and ADW are way better.
- I have freshly cleaned windows and my neck is flexible enough to check the weather myself. If I am already standing outside in the rain, I don't need my phone to tell me that my haircut is in danger.
- The flip clock is way too dominant for my taste. I prefer TypoClock's purity
- Pure Calendar Widget > HTC Calendar Widget
- Barnacle Wifi Tether works just fine. No urgent neccessity for the the official Hotspot feature. Other then that I don't mind using the USB cable to tether if I am already carrying the laptop with me. Wouldn't know who else to tether for anyways.
- No homescreen rotation with the official ROM
- I don't need 3 different settings for the flashlight. The one coming with Cyanogen is good enough. Just let there be light.
- CyanogenMod can be customized and has a lot of useful setting that you can't change with the official Froyo
Of course I am happy that we finally received the update but only to see the new kernel and radio (and maybe some other Froyo goodies) in one of the next CM releases.
c_man said:
EDIT: I can't edit the thread title, but I meant "Official Sense 2.2" ...and also "choose" not "chose" .
Hi all,
Now that you can grab the official 2.2 ROM (thanks devs!!), what would you class the main reasons for running it, over something like Azure, which we've had for some time?
Please list your reasons here, as I really can't see the need to change from Azure?! This is what I can think of...
- For Sense
- For Radio (FM, etc)
- For working WiFi
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-Offcial = stable. There will be no "not working/won't fix" list. It uses newest drivers, CM is still far behind.
-Everything in Sense is chained : Contacts ~ Facebook/Twitter/Flickr ~ Gallery ~ Calendar/Agenda ~ Clock/Weather
- Official Froyo Quadrant's pts = Azure's pts (800~900)
- And ofcourse, the infamous FM Radio rocks!
My biggest reason to use an official is Sense. I love the Clock widgets because I have several timezones to keep track of, and I love them to all be visible on my first home screen. I can see the time where I am in the status bar, my home in the USA, and for my girlfriend in Qatar. I could never find another app as good as HTC's clock when I was using CM-based ROMs.
The fact that whitetigerdk and Paul had the official ROM rooted in less than 24 hours after release gave me no reason not to move from Gratiend.
I like the stock ROM for few things. Have currently loaded Vodafone based ROM and no issues so far.
- Stable exchange connectivity (email APK in other custom ROMS stops working after couple of send/receive (push) - have tried almost everything. Maybe MoDoCo rom was kind of stable, but again it was based on the stock ROM.
- Wi-Fi tethering is perfect
- FM Radio
Finnally a stable and official rom
Yeah the main thing for me was getting exchange email working nicely.
Push mail (exchange) working fine on you guys' official froyo? I still find CM RC1 email apps to be better for my exchange push mail.
And actually one of the thing I missed the most from RC1 is notification power widget.
Official v.s. Custom
Hi,
I enjoy using the official rom because the GPS, FM Radio, Bluetooth, Wifi work. I use the FM Radio quite often. I prefer sense of the stock interface, everything just works nicely and fits in perfectly.
Regards
Remeez
My answer is short and simple: i won't switch to stock Froyo ROM no mather what happens
Now i'm running CM6.1 RC and extremely satisfied with. The only thing i'm missing is flash support.
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I realised that stock HTC rom is better.
Androot STILL WORKS for softroots and give me the flexibility to do all i need to do with root access. (take snaps, clean cache, titanium backup, etc).
So while my country hasn't actually received the updates, i am looking forward to it.
True right now stock Froyo might be better. But when the cyanogenmod guys release gingerbread, that would be better.
The thing is that developers are always faster than HTC. Plus this might be the last update from HTC. Then stock will be far less than good enough.
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ebaak said:
True right now stock Froyo might be better. But when the cyanogenmod guys release gingerbread, that would be better.
The thing is that developers are always faster than HTC. Plus this might be the last update from HTC. Then stock will be far less than good enough.
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Until then... Stock is better..
Sent from my HTC Legend
denisman said:
I am actually not that impressed with the 2.2 update but I wasn`t expecting too much either.
The WiFi reception is great of course and a major plus. The camera is also very smooth and overall speed is superior to the old kernel. The list of official Froyo only features I need ends here though.
On the other hand...
- I don't mind reformating my SD Card to use App2SD
- I am not enough into FB or Twitter to "need" the Sense widgets
- Never used the FM radio before rooting and probably never will
- Already replaced the official keyboard with SlideIt
- I really hate not being able to clean up my app drawer
- The Froyo dock is ugly and lacks usability. LauncherPro and ADW are way better.
- I have freshly cleaned windows and my neck is flexible enough to check the weather myself. If I am already standing outside in the rain, I don't need my phone to tell me that my haircut is in danger.
- The flip clock is way too dominant for my taste. I prefer TypoClock's purity
- Pure Calendar Widget > HTC Calendar Widget
- Barnacle Wifi Tether works just fine. No urgent neccessity for the the official Hotspot feature. Other then that I don't mind using the USB cable to tether if I am already carrying the laptop with me. Wouldn't know who else to tether for anyways.
- No homescreen rotation with the official ROM
- I don't need 3 different settings for the flashlight. The one coming with Cyanogen is good enough. Just let there be light.
- CyanogenMod can be customized and has a lot of useful setting that you can't change with the official Froyo
Of course I am happy that we finally received the update but only to see the new kernel and radio (and maybe some other Froyo goodies) in one of the next CM releases.
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Your speech sounds like pro linuxers over everything... maybe you don't need any goodies in your
Phone, so please buy a 3210 nokia then... weather in time widget is fun, useful sometimes and why not, we love to see our phones doing some eye candy. The way everything is linked is simply amazing... and maybe you don't use any social features.... but today people who want a smarphone is for social uses mainly.
Maybe a cell phone doesn't need radio feature 'per se ' but if the phone has, a why don't use it?? I'm sure more people than you think buy this phone because the radio....
Since I have my legend i install every rom was released and I loved them, but sense interface even tough if it swallow a lot of resources is a very good interface for a cell phone and it's copied in a lot of apps or widgets.... maybe your intention is not to be rude but you sound soooo rough....
Peace and long life for android...
Sent from my HTC Legend
I dont want to make this a gingerbread vs froyo thread or mysense vs aosp. i already know the differences between them and i know on paper gingerbread is the future and is better.
my question is if i should upgrade to GB because the roms are ports from other phones. with roms such as royal glacier running the stock firmware i would think it would run more efficiently and more stable since that rom and kernel were made for our phone compared to all the ginger roms/kernel which were meant to run more efficiently on other phones. i know at this point the gingerbread roms are stable but they come with a few caveats with some things not working properly as their supposed to.
what do you guys think? is ginger really worth it for now?
It's a matter of personal taste. ROMs and kernels have come a long ways since the phone came out. The latest RoyalGinger and RoyalGlacier are both rock-solid and everything works, no "catch" at all. I'm torn trying to decide which one to run permanently on my phone, they're both that good. RoyalGlacier is nice, smooth, fast, and has the stock espresso/sense stuff that makes the stock ROM so good. In my opinion HTC/T-Mo nailed the software interface dead-on, it doesn't feel gimmicky or clunky, it flows really nice and the experience is top-notch, I like it a lot. The only downside I've had with it is that the battery life is not nearly as good as RoyalGinger and up until the latest version it didn't have DSP/Equalizer, but I see that it does now. RoyalGinger is rock solid, it's blazing fast, the battery lasts forever, has DSP/Equalizer, and feels very "lean". But that is also the downside to it, it feels too "old/plain" compared to espresso, I miss having a different wallpaper for the lockscreen, recent apps on the notification area, nice music player integration with the lockscreen, a very nice look to the app launcher/icons, mms notifications on the lockscreen, the phone/contacts app, and other miscellaneous things that define the stock experience. RoyalGlacier cleans up really good with the Mixer theme(not because of the wallpaper, I changed that), the notification area colors/icons look really nice, the launcher icons look way better than stock gingerbread, the dialer has a transparent look to it and you can see the wallpaper through it. If the battery life were better on the stock-based ROMs I'd probably go back to that, but right now I'm just amazed with the battery life on RoyalGinger. Bottom line is both are EXCELLENT ROMs and can't go wrong with either one.
which one do u prefer and why?
My favorite is sense, it has everything I need and it just looks the best, whether it's mysense(stock) of normal sense. I like all the widgets it has compared to vanilla android, but the speed impact is defiantly worth the UI. To me appearance is slightly more important to me than other features on android, but honeycomb looks sweet though. 3D sense is extra cool too-it as some minor changes that make it worth it. CM is nice too dont get me wrong, it has high level customization compared to other types of roms, you can change so many features.
P.S. When you say stock do you mean stock MT4g rom or vanilla android?
If it's looks then CM7. I can make it look exactly like Sense in every regard if I want to or customize anything(dialer, notification bar, boot screen, dock icons, etc). The extra is that the speed of CM7 blows away the speed of Sense. I've had many friends at work that have now rooted their phone after comparing the speed of my phone when compared to their stock Sense Mytouch 4G....it's not even close.
Negatives are: Sense camera/video app are much better, data speeds drop some, Dialer/contacts is better on Sense, and I miss the calendar widget.
mysense 3.0 because of the dock bar, too bad no one makes a properly working one.
kalel33 said:
and I miss the calendar widget.
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YOu know I have ran a variety of Gingerbread prots including ones from virus, even Cyanogen. But for me these leave so little RAM left and it slows my evo down. I currently run Mikfroyo 4.62 because its just optimized stock.
It would be nice to see a highly optimized stock gingerbread that is official gingerbread+ ginger update.
I know alot of like the sense 3.0 lockscreen. I like that to and its the one reason why i sort of see myself switcvhing back to mikg every other day it seems liek adn more often lol. But As for slow downs idk if its the sense 2.1+3.0 elemnts or its just the sense 2.1 that slows down my phone. But it be nice just to see a optimized stock ginger. I know eventualy this might come out. BUt I would rather see a optimized sense 1.0 with 2.1 and 3.0 elements if ever possible due to performance. For me i get major slow downs. It is just teh phones not the developers because they do everything they can and i support each and every one of their works and each developer even if its a simple mod or tweak they do. Its our phones.
But till then I will start to switch over anf flash to mikg every other day to see about performance and start flashing to a few other gingerbread ones. (trust me i flash alot.. my usb port no longer lets me enter hard drive mode only charge on my evo.also tried other cords as well).
I am going to reprot my findings on each of the roms here eventualy and hopefully. But till then.
It would be c ool to see a stock optimizer developer go to work on the rom.
Also performance tweaks for higher sense versions can only go so far. (also battery life isn't an issue becaus eim going for a extended battery eventualy soo that factor doesnt change my opinion on the rom at this point.
Also im not some disgruntled person demanding things or whatever you might think it is, but im just here stating a few things for me and likely the same for a few others. Like i said i support allt eh developers and used alot of ROMS. its not the software in the case of performance for me. Alot of the ginger bread froms are fast just not as performance wise as the froyo version im running. And i do expect some degradation jsut due to a higher OS but i get slow downs just simply scrolling on every rom I have tried (cyanogen i just dont like teh feel of it soo not much performance wise is the reason why i dont use it just the feel)
Till such time i can see a optimized stock ginger + ginger updates I will experiment and report findings also whenever a higher revision comes out of a selecet few roms since software perfomance tweaks do do some good.
Thanks to all teh developers though for all teh hard work. We all appreciate what your doign and the time you spend on it. :}