i know some people will get annoyed by this, but people ask se on the wrong way, they wont ever give out their code, so im trying to ask them to atleast send us an patch to unlock the bootloader
SIGN HERE
p.s. maybe its a waste of time, but atleast we're trying...
and back to top ^^
You're wasting your time. SE will not unlock the bootloader...end of
Atleast we can try
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signed, only took few seconds. if all of us can do the same, it'll be a mighty power that sony can not resist. stick together, we can do anything.
They won't ever do it. However they unlocked our bootloader would get reverse engineered for everyone.
We just need to wait for the devs.
Im not giving up without trying, but just let's face it: SE will never do this.
They have more important things to think about (Arc? Of course! lol ).
Anyway, Im signing just to support the request even if I know it won't be delivered.
thanks all even tho it might have no use, what did you lose? 1min of ur life?
no we got, yes can be given.... <- thats what we say in holland
i think we need more votes o.0
signed. we can hope.
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signed ^^
lets see it it changes something in future
signed. opened bootloader will gave us access to full RAM, also 16M colors etc. etc.
Signed it myself, though it won't have any effect on the X10 development.
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Meh... what the hell, why not, I signed the other bootloader topic.
I know our DEVs will get to it before SE ever moves their asses if they do by some miracle decide to unlock it (somebody needs to blackmail them )
(I'm joking there... don't need to hear about how unethical that would be)
here is what I posted there.
I have to ask for this as well. Anybody who is willing to put a custom rom ect. on their phone most likely fully understands that the warranty will be void after such an act. SE's extreme lock down of this phone is against the open android spirit, and many of us are stuck in a contract with an outdated phone, we bought these "awesome" (has the potential to be anyways) phones and are now the laughing stock of the android community. Please give users who want to, the ability to full modify their phone, that they paid for, as it wasn't cheap.
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thanks all, hope se will atleast answer on my post on their thing...
oh and we cud use more signers xD
signed, hope they do something ..
Signed
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May I add something to all the comments "SE will never unlock it".
SE was very clear on not letting the phone have dualtouch support. But what happend now? On our request they made dualtouch. If we had given up complaining about DT we wouldn't have it today...
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I also believe that se wants to make up for the x10 mistake. They are giving up upgrading it and give us free reins with the phone by releasing the bootloader when they release arc. That's my thoughts
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May I add something to all the comments "SE will never unlock it".
SE was very clear on not letting the phone have dualtouch support. But what happend now? On our request they made dualtouch. If we had given up complaining about DT we wouldn't have it today...
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You are wrong. They tried to do it because initially they made an official announcement that the phone isn't capable. But then some Chinese hackers were able to programme it, posting videos to show the whole world that the phone can use pinch-to-zoom.
That video contradicted the company's claim. In order not to put themselves to shame, they managed to implify pinch-to-zoom.
This case isn't about your futile complaints. It's about their reputations at stake.
Sony Ericsson never made any statements about them not able to unlock it. It's a fact that the phone is unlockable. They are just taking steps to prevent hackers from hacking the phone (which, I find their spirits commendable). Their reputations much better letting the customers know that their phones are safe from hacking.
Their target audiences are the majority commoners. Not tech geeks nor hackers. Please bear this in mind.
So, if in the possible future, some hacker manages to hack it, post a video, that won't faze the company. That'll make the company be more determined to make future phones more hack-free.
So good luck to you guys. And with my theory, I hope you guys are more prepared so that there won't be more whining of disappointment posts when your plans fail. =D
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Hi forum.
I have a question for you.
But first to be 100% clear, i will pay when i have froyo on my phone, just as i have promished, this is NOT a "i will not pay"-thread in NO WAY, i just think we forget some dev´s work... Then on to the question:
As we now see that 2.2 rom´s are close, but without cracked bootloader, i would really like to know what you all think about that.
The reason is that we (many of us, and me included) have promised money for a working 2.2 rom, but what now about the people that is still working really hard on cracking the bootloader, should they not also get paied for that when they get it working ??
If not, i see no reason for them to continue, and i think they will stop the work, and that would really be a shame, as the cracked bootloader is the way to free our phone from S/E 100%.
AN OTHER THING:
The way that this payment is set up, would that not make progress a lot slower ??
What i think it this:
We say " i would pay for working froyo"....
But if all the dev´s would like to get the money, then when they make some kind of progress they are proberbly less likely to share that with other dev´s ??
I don´t know how we can set up a better dev-payment-system, but i think the way it works actually slow down progress instead of speeding things up...
To be quite honest i rather a cracked bootloader
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I'm waiting for a cracked bootloader.After that it will be clear if we might get MT and FM Radio.No donations of mine before this.
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Show your appreciation for the time and effort that is being put in and STFU.
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Show your appreciation for the time and effort that is being put in and STFU.
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+1 just buy them a beer or two for the time they already spent with this ***** called rachael. This'll motivate them to continue.
Btw. i don't think that they're all on that just because of the money, it's probably more for the success itself to crack one of the best locked down devices out there.
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They spend there own time for us , I say they need support from us, as a thankyou for something your not able to do and giving you a better phone experience.
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I will support both cases
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Okay guys so we know all attempts at hacking the bootloader to circumvent the efuse hasn't worked. I feel that the only way to crack this thing open is with the keys from MOTO. Its a slim chance it will actually work but if enough people complain and flood their inboxes somethings bound to happen. maybe. hopefully. Well I sent in an email to tech support and got a cookie cutter response that you can see below. I then was playing around with possible email addresses for the Co-CEO Greg brown I finally landed on his email with the help of someone else and his email is [email protected] I sent him an email to which he forwarded to a PR person I'm guessing and got a cookie cutter response. This pisses me off. Let's do something about it. Everyone send your emails to to that guy requesting the keys. Make the subjects not all locked bootloader or he won't even look at them I'm guessing. This is ridiculous and we need to take a stand. If you don't like the idea then that's fine but to everyone else send an email.
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 2:30 PM
To: Brown Greg Pres CEO-CGB025
Subject: locked bootloader
Greg,
Please provide me with the keys to my phone. I purchased this phone and I should be able to do what I want with it. How would you like it if you purchased a car and the dealership put a lock on the hood not allowing you to access the engine. You would then have to go to that dealership each time you wanted anything done even though you are a mechanic yourself. This is exactly what is happening here. I'm tired of you guys locking down devices that a consumer has purchased. If I should so choose to do stuff that would violate warranties then that's all on me. You can reply with the keys.
Thanks.
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Their reply
Thank you for contacting Motorola. Your e-mail below was forwarded to me to address for Mr. Brown.
Motorola's primary focus is the security of our end users and protection of their data, while also meeting carrier, partner and legal requirements. The Droid X and a majority of Android consumer devices on the market today have a secured bootloader. In reference specifically to eFuse, the technology is not loaded with the purpose of preventing a consumer device from functioning, but rather ensuring for the user that the device only runs on updated and tested versions of software. If a device attempts to boot with unapproved software, it will go into recovery mode, and can re-boot once approved software is re-installed. Checking for a valid software configuration is a common practice within the industry to protect the user against potential malicious software threats. Motorola has been a long time advocate of open platforms and provides a number of resources to developers to foster the ecosystem including tools and access to devices via MOTODEV at http://developer.motorola.com.
Thank you,
Anne Arroyo
Motorola Consumer Advocacy Office
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COME ON GUYS.
What's the email address? It's worth a shot.
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What's the email address? It's worth a shot.
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It's in the OP.
Email sent I will post it when I get the response.
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motorola don't care
You will get the same response... they feel they are protecting the end user which is us.... but also those who don't care to mod their droid x. They are operating under the excuse that someone may take the information and create a virus that would be able to take customer information... atleast that is the bull they are feeding the public. Not using the common since in their heads say... "we left the drod 1 unlocked and nothing significately bad happened." and they also like to say it will void the warranty.. bla bla bla... so no matter what you do all you will get is bullsh*t bullsh*t BULLSH*T.... until someone comes up with a valid excuse and manages to get through to an actual person... cause I would be willing to bet that... that is an automated response based on subject slash specific words in the body. no one with any power reads them and if they see anything envolving bootloader it is replied to in that fashion no matter what.
better off
You would be better off complaining if they don't want to unlock the bootloader, then they need to come up with a better more inventive and visualy apealing UI, cause BLUR is crap.
Motorola is starting to piss me off
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Motorola is starting to piss me off
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Same. They say they support the open policy but that's BS. I love the phone but will probably not buy another one. That being said I knew what I was getting into prior to buying the phone with the locked bootloader/eFuse. However, this being my first android phone I didn't realize how addicting customizing could be. ie. roms/kernals. well, I can imagine how addicting it would be.
emailed
just emailed greg..
Guy, think about this for a second.
What CAN'T we do to this phone that we're already doing, besides maybe an optimized kernel? WITH efuse in place, the devs have managed to implement overclocking, voltage mods, easy rooting, system ROMing, etc. Its my understanding that with the D1, OCing and voltage mods were done by customizing the kernel. Well, here we are with the DX and doing it easily with the bootloader still locked down.
Now, I'd like to see that bootloader unlocked for the sake of doing it, but still...um, we've already gotten around much of what we were prevented from doing in the first place and all under efuse's nose.
Aggie12 said:
Same. They say they support the open policy but that's BS. I love the phone but will probably not buy another one. That being said I knew what I was getting into prior to buying the phone with the locked bootloader/eFuse. However, this being my first android phone I didn't realize how addicting customizing could be. ie. roms/kernals. well, I can imagine how addicting it would be.
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Haha I'm on the same boat as you, It is indeed addicting.
The whole point of motorola locking down the bootloader was to prevent people from gaining the type of access we want. I know that the BL situation is annoying, but I was also aware of it when I bought the device. Personally, root and tethering are all that I want; otherwise, I would have bought a DI or Fascinate.
Not trying to hate, but i have seen multiple failed "outraged email drives" directed at motorola over the months
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The whole point of motorola locking down the bootloader was to prevent people from gaining the type of access we want. I know that the BL situation is annoying, but I was also aware of it when I bought the device. Personally, root and tethering are all that I want; otherwise, I would have bought a DI or Fascinate.
Not trying to hate, but i have seen multiple failed "outraged email drives" directed at motorola over the months
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That's fine. I'm not looking for the approval of your nor anyone else. It was merely a chance for me to vent my frustration towards the man. And I know we have come far but it's more of the principle that they still have so much say with the device even though we own it.
Why don't just send them your custom ROMs so they can approve they are within their "QA"? huh?
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Why don't just send them your custom ROMs so they can approve they are within their "QA"? huh?
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I agree with that. Elect a team to build the ULTIMATE ROM and send to Moto. Show them what the devs can accomplish along with our user support.
We have to provide resistance and keep the pressure on them to stop this kind of lockdown for the future of modding/hacking devices.
Why ultimate, first we have to see what kind of roms they accept and which not. Then everyone will send it's own ROM.
And then we will sue them.
And then chuck norris... oh nothing
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You will get the same response... they feel they are protecting the end user which is us.... but also those who don't care to mod their droid x. They are operating under the excuse that someone may take the information and create a virus that would be able to take customer information... atleast that is the bull they are feeding the public. Not using the common since in their heads say... "we left the drod 1 unlocked and nothing significately bad happened." and they also like to say it will void the warranty.. bla bla bla... so no matter what you do all you will get is bullsh*t bullsh*t BULLSH*T.... until someone comes up with a valid excuse and manages to get through to an actual person... cause I would be willing to bet that... that is an automated response based on subject slash specific words in the body. no one with any power reads them and if they see anything envolving bootloader it is replied to in that fashion no matter what.
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I actually put it in my email not to give me that bull because everyone with half a brain knew it was a lie and that everyone that read it was laughing at Moto for thinking people were that stupid.
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SirBrass said:
Guy, think about this for a second.
What CAN'T we do to this phone that we're already doing, besides maybe an optimized kernel? WITH efuse in place, the devs have managed to implement overclocking, voltage mods, easy rooting, system ROMing, etc. Its my understanding that with the D1, OCing and voltage mods were done by customizing the kernel. Well, here we are with the DX and doing it easily with the bootloader still locked down.
Now, I'd like to see that bootloader unlocked for the sake of doing it, but still...um, we've already gotten around much of what we were prevented from doing in the first place and all under efuse's nose.
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The reason this is important is Moto's security gets tighter with every update. If we let them get away with it without at least trying to do something about it then they will continue to make security tighter and harder to work around. When other Manufacturers see that Moto got away with it they'll follow and eventually all phones will be locked down to the point that everyone is running the same Vanilla OS. The bootloader have a work around now but if we don't speak up it may not one day. They had no legitimate reason to lock the bootloader down it was just a show of force. Efuse is step one. So if you don't want Android ruined by the Manufacturers and Carriers speak up now. The Droid X is okay with a locked bootloader but they still put a leash on it and they're going to keep tightening it as long as we let them. Others will follow just watch HTC has already stared.
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Anyone want to start a web page for an online petition for Manufacturers not to lock down their phones? I would do it but I don't have the know how. But if we email this guy and start a web petition we have more of a voice. Call in to RadioAndroid and let the public know it's out there. This isn't just Moto we're fighting. We can stop other Manufacturs before they start or at least try.
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Anyone want to start a web page for an online petition for Manufacturers not to lock down their phones? I would do it but I don't have the know how. But if we email this guy and start a web petition we have more of a voice. Call in to RadioAndroid and let the public know it's out there. This isn't just Moto we're fighting. We can stop other Manufacturs before they start or at least try.
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There have already been two online petitions done.
Thanks so much for providing feedback, we hear your concerns. Your satisfaction is a top priority for us and we're working hard to ensure you have great experiences with our phones. We're reviewing the issue and our policy around bootloaders and will provide more information soon. Thank you for your interest, support and willingness to share your feedback.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084
Yeah just read that. Surprised they actually responded.
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so am i so am i
They should listen if they don't want their sales to plummet (im assuming the majority of consumers root their phone) Lol!
Well atleast they're listening. Probably wont accomplish anything but it doesn't hurt to voice your opinion. I know I wrote on the page 3 times
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i bet the bean counters are looking over whether or not pissing off the dev community will cause excessive loss on the consumer end...
if it doesnt affect the bottom line, htc wont do a thing
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they may be listening, but thats probably it. Its already too late to do anything for the EVO3D unless HTC happens to "accidently" release the decryption key.
Yea. Too little too late
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i bet the bean counters are looking over whether or not pissing off the dev community will cause excessive loss on the consumer end...
if it doesnt affect the bottom line, htc wont do a thing
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I am a little curious how it would affect them. I have no doubt that most of us loyal Evo users have pushed our friends and family to purchase HTC phones. My wife wanted the Epic but I urged her to get the Evo Shift due to the difference in quality and history of software updates. I have friends who now have the Evo because of my input.
I have to imagine that we do have the power to make a difference in HTC's sales but is it enough to matter to them?
Sprint will shut this effort down.
Unless people at HTC are geniuses and can quickly figure out a way to disable or limit tethering w/o locking the phone.
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Sprint will shut this effort down.
Unless people at HTC are geniuses and can quickly figure out a way to disable or limit tethering w/o locking the phone.
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Um... we can tether with root. Please educate yourself.
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Sprint will shut this effort down.
Unless people at HTC are geniuses and can quickly figure out a way to disable or limit tethering w/o locking the phone.
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Sprint is the ONLY carrier that is doing ANYTHING to support openness so I'm really not sure what in the world you're talking about.
This signed bootloader BS is pure HTC.
Just saw this. If they listen, I might get the 3D, otherwise its back to an iPhone, because really, what's the different without root? Not much.
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Sprint could care less whether you can hack tethering or not. They are pushing the air cards anyways. My account manager told me this today.
You guys act like HTC/Sprint need the dev community to stay afloat. Truth is we make up less than 1% of their sales and the only reason we are heard at all is because we put forth much more effort and have a lot more knowledge than the common user.
In all reality HTC can make a completely unlock-able/uncrackable boot loader and their sales will take absolutely no significant hit...It sucks, but it's reality and it's the way it is...
This is still very good news and i'm happy to hear that HTC is at least hearing us out, no matter how insignificant we may be...Or maybe they just realize that no matter what they do, our devs are better than theirs and can crack anything they try to lock in due time so the effort they put forth to lock us out isn't really worth it...
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i bet the bean counters are looking over whether or not pissing off the dev community will cause excessive loss on the consumer end...
if it doesnt affect the bottom line, htc wont do a thing
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most users dont root their phones.
mattykinsx said:
Sprint is the ONLY carrier that is doing ANYTHING to support openness so I'm really not sure what in the world you're talking about.
This signed bootloader BS is pure HTC.
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sprint does not condone rooting.
starplaya93 said:
You guys act like HTC/Sprint need the dev community to stay afloat. Truth is we make up less than 1% of their sales and the only reason we are heard at all is because we put forth much more effort and have a lot more knowledge than the common user.
In all reality HTC can make a completely unlock-able/uncrackable boot loader and their sales will take absolutely no significant hit...It sucks, but it's reality and it's the way it is...
This is still very good news and i'm happy to hear that HTC is at least hearing us out, no matter how insignificant we may be...Or maybe they just realize that no matter what they do, our devs are better than theirs and can crack anything they try to lock in due time so the effort they put forth to lock us out isn't really worth it...
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Might as well expand your consumer base as much as you can. The other 99% who don't root their phones don't really care if the bootloader is locked or not. With an easily unlockable bootloader, that 1% that does root their phones can grow. Devs are smart, and HTC could take some hints from them.
they may change their bootloader policy in future phones, not the 3d which is about ready to ship.
Yeah, their response is stock customer service response..
of COURSE their listening. Of COURSE they're considering. Of COURSE they care.
I think, I KNOW... there is absolutely ZERO chance they will change their course of action publicly.
It might however increase the chance of some leak happening tho......pleeaase!
Please sign this petition to put a stop to htc and their locked bootloaders. Takes 5secs. Even if your not getting this phone you should still sign it, so this wont happen to fututure phones.
http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/
http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/
Bump.......
Bump again..
Bump that shiznit
Ya good luck with that. Why would they want to make it easier for you to access the phones bootloader? Unless they are going to sell it with no warranty. I mean really that's like buying a new car taking the motor apart putting it back together with different parts then expecting the manufacture to pick up the bill when it all goes bad. They aren't going to do it no matter how much you beg for it. Even the person trying to make the petition understands the reason for them not doing it. To sell more phones. The general public doesn't mess with or care to mess with their phones they want it to turn on and just work. So what maybe 2% really care to tinker with their phones. Ya don't think they are going to do what your asking for even 10 or 20% of their customer base.
Would it be nice sure..I like to play with my phones and thanks to place like this site I can. I just don't see it happening anytime soon. They are only going to get more and more locked down.
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Ya good luck with that. Why would they want to make it easier for you to access the phones bootloader? Unless they are going to sell it with no warranty. I mean really that's like buying a new car taking the motor apart putting it back together with different parts then expecting the manufacture to pick up the bill when it all goes bad. They aren't going to do it no matter how much you beg for it. Even the person trying to make the petition understands the reason for them not doing it. To sell more phones. The general public doesn't mess with or care to mess with their phones they want it to turn on and just work. So what maybe 2% really care to tinker with their phones. Ya don't think they are going to do what your asking for even 10 or 20% of their customer base.
Would it be nice sure..I like to play with my phones and thanks to place like this site I can. I just don't see it happening anytime soon. They are only going to get more and more locked down.
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Ha. Got anything else to say? Didn't think so. Appears we one.
mattfmartin said:
Please sign this petition to put a stop to htc and their locked bootloaders. Takes 5secs. Even if your not getting this phone you should still sign it, so this wont happen to fututure phones.
http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/
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I don't think so... Otherwise it will looks like a cheap phone....
htc is gonna open up the bootloaders on future phones. we won open bootloaders
rauschkugl said:
htc is gonna open up the bootloaders on future phones. we won open bootloaders
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Hi,
Does that include the upcoming EU Sensation??
no not at the moment. here in germany the sensation is already available and locked. maybe they will open it up some time but for now this is just for future phones excluding the evo 3d. think this also will come with loced bootloader and maybe it will be possible to unlock it some time.
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Please sign this petition to put a stop to htc and their locked bootloaders. Takes 5secs. Even if your not getting this phone you should still sign it, so this wont happen to fututure phones.
http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/
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Check out the good news as stated here : http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/26/htc-officially-dissolves-locked-bootlader-policy/
HTC have announced that locked bootloaders will be no more!
Good news. I wonder if they are going to unlock existing bootloaders?
Great news \o/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/26/htc-officially-dissolves-locked-bootlader-policy/
Hey congrats I guess. Can't complain about them doing it. It's just something you would think they wouldn't want to do. I was proven wrong and I have no problem saying.
Not trying to piss in anyone's Cheerios, but they probably didn't see nor care about an online petition, especially with only 7000 sigs. That's a drop in the ocean.
Trust me, a company like HTC isn't going to make such an announcement on a whim, it's gonna go through the company ranks for pros/cons, profit projections, etc... The idea would have started internally in HTC well before anyone set up that petition.
It would be interesting to see their true reasons for the decision. I highly doubt it's for "the betterment of the community". They have to think it will increase profits.
Either way, works out great for us. Now all they need to do is open up their drivers, etc.. and we'd be set.
well why have they started locking them now with the sensation and evo 3d?
have you read the post on facebook? i don't think this was a marketing thing and i don't think that they would have locked it up again if nobody complained.
Great news! The best part is that they really listen to people.
Subject says it all... let me know what you think!
http://s4gru.spruz.com/pt/Will-it-s...ilbreak-or-MOD-your-personal-devices/blog.htm
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The funny thing is that is Apple is the one crying about it. I don't think it will affect us since Google is open source. And with the nexus line these phones are considered" developer phones" so I don't think it will affect the Android community.
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Screw apple. Now that steve jobs is gone, I hope they crumble as a company. He was the power source that brought them such big business and now they're crying about every little thing android does. Waaa waa cry us a river. Oh, and its illegal to do a lot of things. We'll keep doing them if it makes us feel good.
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Well i dont think it gonna pass and if it does who is gonna stop me from rooting/hacking my own sh*t..
It's useless to try and legally ban people from customizing the tech they own. If governments/corporations try, they'll fail and only harm themselves.
That would have to reverse the supreme court ruling that once purchased we can do what we want with our device. This was a suit for the PS3. Sony still had the right to deny services but could do no legal action on modded PS3s. The same will stand for our phones. The worst that could happen is a clause is added to our contracts giving the carrier the right to refuse service to rooted devices.
I Hope your wrong about the phone service
Still, being able to deny service would suck considering the only reason why I rooted my device to begin with was for the WiFi Hack. However, if any one out there know answer me this. How would sprint or another service provider figure out that your phone is rooted? From a noobs point of view I see no way of them finding out anything unless they sell you a phone that's bugged. But if you think about it for you window 7 users out there, windows gives the option to install a bug that determines if your windows is genuine but does not come preinstalled.
I really don't think it will effect us I been hacking before the bill passed an I will b if I don't get exstented, nothing changed really I don't think. I'm more worried about sopa
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Frostacious said:
Still, being able to deny service would suck considering the only reason why I rooted my device to begin with was for the WiFi Hack. However, if any one out there know answer me this. How would sprint or another service provider figure out that your phone is rooted? From a noobs point of view I see no way of them finding out anything unless they sell you a phone that's bugged. But if you think about it for you window 7 users out there, windows gives the option to install a bug that determines if your windows is genuine but does not come preinstalled.
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Google knows every app on your phone. If you have 1 app for rooted phones then you are probably rooted. Sprint can ping your phone and get the kernel, firmware and baseband you are running. If it doesn't show stock numbers, they know you are rooted.
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kennyglass123 said:
Google knows every app on your phone. If you have 1 app for rooted phones then you are probably rooted. Sprint can ping your phone and get the kernel, firmware and baseband you are running. If it doesn't show stock numbers, they know you are rooted.
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They don't care because half ifnot moe of the Android community is rooted, what's pathetic is there people who work for sprint and othr cariers are rooted. But then you have some assholes who think they know it all and don't care if you rooted your denied.
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txtmikhail said:
Well i dont think it gonna pass and if it does who is gonna stop me from rooting/hacking my own sh*t..
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Assuming you can do it all on your own and don't require any outside information or collaboration then technically nobody will stop you or likely even know. However if this decision does expire and it becomes a potential crime then you will see a lot less innovation.
XxLostSoulxX said:
They don't care because half ifnot moe of the Android community is rooted, what's pathetic is there people who work for sprint and othr cariers are rooted. But then you have some assholes who think they know it all and don't care if you rooted your denied.
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If you're referring to the 'Android community' as the 'Android userbase' then I think you're WAY off. Not a chance 50% of the people with an Android phone are rooted. I mean, think of all the 40+ year olds that have android phones and hardly know how to use a touch screen, let alone anything about root. It may appear that way considering we're on this forum together or the friends you have, but I assure you, that number is probably much, much closer to 5-10% if that. Even that's a stretch. Doesn't android have like 300,000 activations per day going or something like that? There is no way half those people are rooting their phones.
Back on topic, the carrier can certainly check to see what's running on your phone as kenny (I think) posted previously. Also as stated above, I don't think this is anything to worry about as there has already been a precendent set about making it illegal. Carriers denying service to your handset knowing it's rooted is another topic though.
See, I remember when competition was about innovation, and if you wanted to keep yourself in business, the best way was to make something revolutionary. If Apple wants to keep itself in business, at least in the mobile market where they make the majority of income, they need to out innovate Android. Naysaying, and saying this is infringing on something, is not innovation. I mean the lockscreen is one thing that gets me, on Google it goes two ways, Google INNOVATED better then Apple, yet that is what they sue them for. Really?
hayzooos said:
If you're referring to the 'Android community' as the 'Android userbase' then I think you're WAY off. Not a chance 50% of the people with an Android phone are rooted.
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I fully agree. While all 4 of my Android phones are rooted, over the couple dozen people I know that have Androids, only 1 other person has rooted their phone.
Well this sucks..... if of course it passes anyways
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saramon said:
See, I remember when competition was about innovation, and if you wanted to keep yourself in business, the best way was to make something revolutionary. If Apple wants to keep itself in business, at least in the mobile market where they make the majority of income, they need to out innovate Android. Naysaying, and saying this is infringing on something, is not innovation. I mean the lockscreen is one thing that gets me, on Google it goes two ways, Google INNOVATED better then Apple, yet that is what they sue them for. Really?
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Its sad how true this is. Before apple would just do their own thing, creating their products like the Ipod, not caring about what other MP3 devises may be out there. They just made it better. Now they get upset that the idea they stole has been modified and used by google... give me a F* break. end rant
txtmikhail said:
Well i dont think it gonna pass and if it does who is gonna stop me from rooting/hacking my own sh*t..
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Your comment makes sense none.
There's nothing to pass. This is about an existing law/exemption permitting smartphone hacking to expire.
Personally, I could care less. Samsung isn't going to sue us (though Sprint could), and Samsung already has open bootloaders.
The folks that should be worried are iPhone hackers. Apple will sue them into oblivion, and shoot themselves in the process.
I dont think they would go after the users, but they would go after source of information. Eitherway i dont like it. our devices we buy, should be for us to do as we please. i dont like restrictions, goverment should focus on other things more important than to stop innovation for the sake of companies profit. And companies should concentrate on putting quality products out there.
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I dont think they would go after the users, but they would go after source of information. Eitherway i dont like it. our devices we buy, should be for us to do as we please. i dont like restrictions, goverment should focus on other things more important than to stop innovation for the sake of companies profit. And companies should concentrate on putting quality products out there.
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Agree 100%! Once you buy a device it is yours to do what you please with it! If you want to risk bricking it or voiding the warranty, that should be your prerogative and nobody should be able to tell you otherwise! No matter if its a windows phone, iphone, or android you should be able to do as you please once you own the device...
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if i can buy a phone and smash it to the ground into a million little pieces just because, with no repercussion, i should be able to mod the software with out any problems as well.