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Hi all,
Now that we have all got our XDA's does any one know if it would be possible to change the Screen in the XDA to a 640x480 screen so that we can use the High resolutions in the new version of Windows Mobile edition?
I have seen some screen shots of the diference and its a HUGE difference... I would love to have a 640x480 screen now after seeing what the device could look like.
I suppose that the device can pump out 800x600 for Output but am not sure if it can pump 640x480 directly to the screen? do you think they will be an upgrade option if people would like to have there screen's updated on there XDA2's?
well of cause you would have to replace the whole screen
not sure if the the xda2 is popular enough for them to consider ofering something like that
I think they will, but it'll be called XDA III
Would it not be as easy as getting a new 640x480 screen and connecting it up? Provided we can find the right size and with the correct connector of course? Is there any reasion that our XDA II will not beable to push out 640x480 reso direct to the screen?
I'm not very technical when it comes to the workings of the XDA as I do not know the hardware it has inside, and am not game enough to start poking around in it just yet...
Well I do hope for all of ours sake that we will have an option or a parth later on for the new reso it does look sooooooo much better and is super CRISP...
No, it would be possible (Se NYDITOT Virtual Display) but you can´t see ****, because the screen only has 320x240 pixels.
maybe the cable to the screen would have a different wireing
and maybe the lcd control chip on the "motherboard" would also
have to be changed
different res's on intergrated devices are never as std. as external monitors on pc's
But you can change the resolution, the problem is neither the chip but the screen. It can only display 320x240 pixels, because is has no more!
skenliv yes but he's asking if they would make an upgrade where he gets a whole new screen for his device which does support 640_480
of cause that still leave the issue with the posible connection difference
and the chip may not be able to control a bigger res and maybe one would even have to change the touchscreen along with the lcd if it's limited to a lower res aswell
anyway i'm pretty sure it would be a very expensive upgrade
and it would prob be cheaper to just buy a xda3
But it is able to handle a higher resolution, that´s what im trying to say
Although the display can show 640, but you can´t see anything because it´s so damn small on a 320x240 pixel screen.
And yes, it would probably be very very expensive to change the whole screen.
how much bigger is the e80X 's screen then xda2's ?
The E800 is 4 Inch. The XDA II is 3 Inch. So it´s quite big.
I think the amount of video ram is also a factor in the available resolution, so even if you could get 800x600 it would probably only be in 256 or 16 colours.
Maybe I wil be too sad but,the Himalaya has internal GPU that is confirmed for ATI Imageon 3200 series.
Following there are the spec:
Display Support
4/8 bit monochrome
12/15/16/18 bit color STN
12/15/16/18 bit TFT
Maximum resolution 320x480 at a color depth of 16-bpp
Partial display refresh
2 HW cursors, 1 HW icon/overlay
Frame modulation
Panel rotation (90°, 180°, 270°)
Please note the maximum resolution supported!
It NEVER support more than 320x480..so never 640x480!
You must change all the matherboard of your ppc for that and also the screen,it isn't factible.
Regards,Ser
Thanks for the replys guys although I am even more confused now, if the ATI Imageon 3200 series does not put our more then 320x480, how does the XDAII output 640x480 and 800x600 output? is this a totaly diferent card/chipset that does this work? If so things might be starting to make a little sence although I don't see why they would not use 1 chipset that could do both... so still a little confusing on the logic side of things...
Cheers...
yes,I see your confusion!
XDA2 can't output 640x480 and can't 800x600.
You probably refer to Nyditot Virtual Display,a program that force "via software" to use virtual resolutions like 640x480-800x600 and up..but more things are unreadable!
or could he be talking about displaying on an external monitor using the backpack?
No.. I think he's talking about the external output on the backpack...
fudgebottom said:
Hi all,
Now that we have all got our XDA's does any one know if it would be possible to change the Screen in the XDA to a 640x480 screen so that we can use the High resolutions in the new version of Windows Mobile edition?
I have seen some screen shots of the diference and its a HUGE difference... I would love to have a 640x480 screen now after seeing what the device could look like.
I suppose that the device can pump out 800x600 for Output but am not sure if it can pump 640x480 directly to the screen? do you think they will be an upgrade option if people would like to have there screen's updated on there XDA2's?
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fudgebottom said:
Hi all,
Now that we have all got our XDA's does any one know if it would be possible to change the Screen in the XDA to a 640x480 screen so that we can use the High resolutions in the new version of Windows Mobile edition?
I have seen some screen shots of the diference and its a HUGE difference... I would love to have a 640x480 screen now after seeing what the device could look like.
I suppose that the device can pump out 800x600 for Output but am not sure if it can pump 640x480 directly to the screen? do you think they will be an upgrade option if people would like to have there screen's updated on there XDA2's?
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Hi fudgebottom
as your friends said, the display of your pocket pc is designed for 320x240. but i found a software called Virtual Display, you can resize your screen for 640x480 and 800x600 and you can rotate the screen, ...
the site is: http://www.nyditot.com/NVDPage.asp
hope it can help
i wouldnt use that s/w on ur xda2 as it means a hard reset lol been there and done that :|
works fine on xda1 using ppc2003
For two years I have loved everything about my Shift but always wished for a higher resolution screen.
This board is full of hardware experts and yet there has been no mention of upgrading the display.
I would have though HTC would have used a COTs display with a standard interface. Surely higher resolution screens of the same size and interface exist, and could replace the existing display?
if you want help in this there was a hack to fool the hardware of the asus eee to whatever resoloution you wanted, was very cool, check out eeeuser website
could prove useful dont know if the prog would need adjusting or anything wortj trying
I don't think it would even be that complicated.
When the windows side is in the virtual resolution of 1024 x 600, performing a print screen yields a bitmap of 1024x600. So as far as the OS is concerned, 1024x600 is the resolution being display and that is the resolution being output by the graphics driver.
So I guess it's the display electronics that reduce this display to the interpollated 1024x600 on the 800x480 display.
A perfect example of this is using the VGA video output to an external monitor, where high resolutions can be used at will.
I'm no expect in this hardware area but I would suspect that it might be possible to use a higher resolution screen with the shift. But I don't know if the shift connects to the screen with a standard interface.
But if it was possible, I would have thought someone would have done it.
Even if it was not possible, here's a thought. Why not use the VGA port to 'double back' into a new high resolution screen fitting into the shift, connected to the VGA, and powered by the Shift. It would be a bit of a bodge, but would give a great display.
Does anyone know if this is possible?
I love my Nexus One, but like everything, as time goes by and new things come along, there are things I wish were different.
If you had 'three wishes' and could change only three things about the N1, what would it be?
Here's my list
1. By far my first wish would be for more application flash memory. Even with App2SD, there is just not enough space for all the apps I want to install. I'd love to see a minimum of 4GB of app memory.
2. Front Camera. Now that real video conferencing apps and reasonably fast 3G is available, this is a big deal.
3. Screen. We all know how terrible the touch screen is. I get real tired of locking and unlocking to 'reset' the digitizer once it's lost it's mind. While we're replacing the screen, going up to a 4" SuperAMOLED at a little higher res wouldn't hurt. Maybe 960x512 ?
Things I wouldn't change
- The dual, noise canceling mics. This works great.
- The titanium alloy case. Light, sturdy, cool.
- AMOLED. I'll never go back to LCD.
- multiple radio bands. Take it anywhere.
- Bare Android. Keep your UI's and overlays.
***Update***
Now that I've been playing with Darktremor's a2sd script on CM6.1.1, I have to revise my list. Google should really release a code update that allows users to (optionally) do just what DarkTremor's a2sd app does. Truly move the apps and Dalvik cache to the SD card. This really does remove the app memory limitation on the Nexus One. In fact I now have 145 apps installed totaling 256MB !
Note that this does require partitioning your SD card and creating an ext(2/3/4) partition and the whole process is not noob friendly, but if you take your time and do a little research first it's WELL WORTH IT!!
This will make you love your Nexus One again.
Now, about my list.
My new wish to replace the app memory item is:
- USB host mode and additional microUSB host port.
How cool would it be to be able to hook up keyboards, mice, external HD's, even monitors? We already know it can be done, but it would have been nice from the factory.
Actually, I wouldn't care about app space too much, since proper old-fashioned Apps2EXT allows installing as much as I can possibly imagine.
I also wouldn't change the screen size. Absolutely no need to go any larger. And that includes resolution - the only visible resolution artifacts are the result of PenTile AMOLED, and not lack of resolution. No need to make the GPU work much harder.
Things I would change:
1) Digitizer (touchscreen), for obvious reasons.
2) CPU - rebase on 7x30, to get the same CPU with twice faster GPU.
3) Better photo camera.
1. More geebees! Seriously, 4-8GB internal memory should be sufficient until Unreal Engine and id games get ported.
2. Dual-core NVIDIA Tegra 2 processor. Need I say more?
3. Hardware keyboard! I've had my N1 for over 6 months now and still can't get used to virtual keyboards. Swype is nice, but it's not multi-lingual.
Bonus round: Screen size bump to 4 inches would be nice. I find that the optimal size. At the very least an upgrade to a Super AMOLED.
In no particular order:
Better digitizer
More memory
Better speakerphone
Better screen - a cross between the retina display and a super amoled would do me, and with much improved touch screen performance.
Better gpu, coming from a galaxy s that is one thing I miss.
Better camera.
Alreet headphone socket which is actually flush. I really don't want to be buying headphones again to find the phone goes mental when I plug them in (apparently some headphones don't fit in the none flush jack and so the phone gets confused as to whether it's headphones or a headset). Found this out the hard way recently.
More internal app memory, though this isn't such a big deal any more.
3 wishes? i would pay for this...
1. new and BIGGER SCREEN. my eyes are hurting after using a hd2 (thats why im still on the hd2..) atleast 4" would be nice.. but i dont want to leave the 4.3"
2. QSD8x72.
3. erm.. hard to say, the two wishes there are everything i really want.. but probably we need a bit a better battery when if we had QSD8x72
best things on this device are obvious:
- like OP said, the second mic for noise canceling is awsome
- AMOLED is cool, even if the screen is too small
- THE ****IN TRACKBALL, GODDAMN I LOVE IT
- the whole design of the device is awsome
EDIT: oooh i forgot.. 3.5 audio jack on the bottom plz.. at the top just sucks. and get the power key to the other side where the jack now is...
I still have trouble with my wifi connection temporarily dropping after I wake the phone, but I am not sure if that is a hardware or software issue.
I wouldn't mind a line-out jack for audio. Even better would be an HDMI out jack for video capability.
The antenna could be redesigned so the signal wouldn't be affected by hand placement. It's not as bad as some but it could be better.
Overall, though, in terms of design and performance the N1 still rocks for being 11 months old. That is normally eons in terms of the product cycle in this market. I'm so glad I bought two for my wife and I.
-More memory
-Better speakers
-Best digitizer
-SD card slot on outside
My list...
4.3" SAMOLED2 display
Tegra 2 Dual-Core CPU/GPU
Front facing camera
HDMI Out
Printing support (wifi/network)
Desktop Chrome browser....will also need a faster CPU.
1. better speaker
2. Better battery life without changing the size
3. Maybe better camera. Like 12Mp so it can record 1080p.
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x986123 said:
My list...
4.3" SAMOLED2 display
Tegra 2 Dual-Core CPU/GPU
Front facing camera
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Niceee
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Battery life
Better power button. I'm on my second and it too is buggy.
Better external speaker.
Better digitizer is a. Close 4th.
Digitizer. It felt really disappointing to learn that the sensor could only handle two inputs, and crappily at that. I wish it had shipped with one that didn't spaz out whenever the battery was charging.
Camera Button. I'm not a huge photogeek but this would have been a slick feature. Tapping the screen always shakes the camera noticably, and my photos come out blurred. I think a camera button could have limited that.
Front Facing Camera. I think this really would have helped to future-proof the N1; now, if (hopefully when) a video chat protocol is standardized for the Android platform, I'll have to upgrade if I want to be able to utilize it.
I also still have conflict with the capacitive buttons. I like them because they're sleek and sit flush with the screen. However, I dislike them because they don't work when the phone is locked (in case I want to remap the buttons to, say, skip songs).
1. better digitizer (touchscreen)
2. hdmi out
i think the intention of this post was more towards what you would change and not what phone would you rather buy today.. super amoled and tegra are new technologies and weren't available when the nexus was created
what others have been saying:
ffc: i can live without a front facing cam because i can still video call people, the only reason i would ever use video is to show someone something not just so that i can talk face to face
gpu: it's not that bad, it's not the best but it is almost a year old now
camera: decent enough, do you really need 1080p?
battery: that's not really much to do with the phone, all batteries suck
This is tough, I had to cross a few things out:
1) 4" screen without all the current problems
(love the size and weight, but a tiny bit more screen would be nice. and we all know the other problems)
2) Better battery life
(currently have to charge it 2-3 times a day)
3) Better voice recognition
(I'm from Texas but VR hardly understands me. And the more I repeat a phrase, the more it misunderstands the words.)
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I'm impressed, There are actually a lot of good ideas here.
I'm already cobbling them together into my "perfect phone" list.
So far it looks like:
- Vanilla Android 2.2.1+
- Unlocked
- Multiple Radio bands (like the N1)
- Minimum of HSDPA support, HSDPA+ or LTE pref.
- Minimum of 4GB app storage
- MicroSD slot that's accessible without removing battery.
- Front camera
- 5 MP rear camera (I don't care what anyone says, any more than 5MP in a camera with an aperture that small is a bad idea and only done for marketing reasons. It's all about light gathering, not resolution. Think the opposite of DPI as it's used in screens and printers. The lower the camera pixels per inch, the better)
- 720p video at 30fps
- SuperAMOLED screen. LCD is the past, forget it.
- dual core CPU with GFX acceleration
- HDMI output
- FM radio
- Micro USB with host mode option.
Note that these are in addition to all the standard Nexus One features like a titanium allow case, dual microphones, etc.
Megapixel Myth
william tanaya said:
1. better speaker
2. Better battery life without changing the size
3. Maybe better camera. Like 12Mp so it can record 1080p.
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Regarding #3, you've fallen into the megapixel myth. Megapixels don't mean much of anything for most consumer devices. Sure, if you are a pro photographer taking pictures for magazines or billboards, then yes. maybe you need a high MP camera. For everyone else, it's nonsense.
For example, you wished for 12MP to handle 1080p video. but the fact is that full HD, 1920x1080 is only 2MP!
On a cell phone with a tiny camera chip, the less MP, the better. Why? Because this means that each pixel element is larger and therefore can capture more light. This results in better saturation, faster ISO ratings, and better low light capability.
Anything over 5MP in a cell phone is a waste and counter-productive.
Personally I also think 8MP is the limit of diminishing returns on consumer digital cameras, and 12MP for DSLRs.
If you follow digital camera news, you'll find that the biggest push is to put larger image sensors in cameras.
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Tachyon_1 said:
Regarding #3, you've fallen into the megapixel myth. Megapixels don't mean much of anything for most consumer devices. Sure, if you are a pro photographer taking pictures for magazines or billboards, then yes. maybe you need a high MP camera. For everyone else, it's nonsense.
For example, you wished for 12MP to handle 1080p video. but the fact is that full HD, 1920x1080 is only 2MP!
On a cell phone with a tiny camera chip, the less MP, the better. Why? Because this means that each pixel element is larger and therefore can capture more light. This results in better saturation, faster ISO ratings, and better low light capability.
Anything over 5MP in a cell phone is a waste and counter-productive.
Personally I also think 8MP is the limit of diminishing returns on consumer digital cameras, and 12MP for DSLRs.
If you follow digital camera news, you'll find that the biggest push is to put larger image sensors in cameras.
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nice to know that, sounds logic..
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http://www.wpcentral.com/wpcentral-nokia-microsoft-live-blog-new-york-city
Nokia 920 has an LCD screen. Not good.
Wireless charging seems cool though.
Anyone else watching?
Really? LCD screen not good? 1280 x 760 resolution on a 4.5" display (which is more dense than the majority of 1280 displays which are 4.7"+), ClearBlack technology (which should mean deep blacks for an LCD, like the One X, possibly even getting deeper than that display), and according to wpcentral the fastest display on a smartphone (which I imagine means fastest response time).
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Really? LCD screen not good? 1280 x 760 resolution on a 4.5" display (which is more dense than the majority of 1280 displays which are 4.7"+), ClearBlack technology (which should mean deep blacks for an LCD, like the One X, possibly even getting deeper than that display), and according to wpcentral the fastest display on a smartphone (which I imagine means fastest response time).
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Yeah I'm kind of disapointed with the camera sensor as I was expecting a higher or equal resolution to the Nokia N8 (12MP) it's just under 9MP. But it's improved camera tech is supposed to make you forget about this.
Sure it records 1080 P video @ 30 FPS but doesn't give you micro sd expansion slot and only 32 gb internal I can fill 32 gb easily with my N8 and that records 720p
Tech details don't seem to be as abundant as with the N8. I can plug any external drive into that and expand the capacity further.
Plus they kind of killed the hype recently by not providing an actual representation of what the camera can do.
djfuego said:
Yeah I'm kind of disapointed with the camera sensor as I was expecting a higher or equal resolution to the Nokia N8 (12MP) it's just under 9MP. But it's improved camera tech is supposed to make you forget about this.
Sure it records 1080 P video @ 30 FPS but doesn't give you micro sd expansion slot and only 32 gb internal I can fill 32 gb easily with my N8 and that records 720p
Tech details don't seem to be as abundant as with the N8. I can plug any external drive into that and expand the capacity further.
Plus they kind of killed the hype recently by not providing an actual representation of what the camera can do.
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I do photography as a hobby. I've owned 2 DSLRs and a bunch of other sorts of cameras (point and shoot mainly) and I'd like to say one thing: Megapixels DO NOT determine photo quality. the LENS and IMAGE PROCESSOR do that.
Lets look at an analogy
Let's say you're trying to paint a picture of a natural scenery. You need 1: A good eye that will take in details of the landscape. You need the eye that will be able to contrasts between colors, and pick up all the information such as the leaves, trees, water, etc. etc. If someone has glaucoma, cloudy vision, or is simply blind, they won't be able to take in the scenery. You will also need 2: A good and dexterous hand that will convert what you're seeing into a painting by making skillful brushes of the paintbrush. If you have crappy coordination skills or are unable to correctly translate what you're seeing into proper shapes and curves, you're going to have a crappy picture at the end.
your LENS=eye and the image processor=Hand/Coordination.
Those are the two things that will determine the quality of the picture. Megapixels just determine the size of your canvas. A 3.2 MP camera can deliver better shots than a 12 MP camera!
The 920 is using Carl Zeiss F/2.0 lens and I'm not sure about what image processor it has. As for the lens (you have the N8 so you can attest to this), you will know that CZ makes excellent quality lenses made of pure glass. 90% of lenses I've used in microscopy labs were all CZ. Whats gonna make or break the picture quality is the image processor. I'm not sure which one they're using.
Wait for some test shots to come out, but I have high expectations for Nokia on this phone.
I've already gone into detail on the 920 camera in other threads, but the image sensor size is in fact 1/3", which is larger than the 1/3.2" sensor the iPhone 4S, One X, and Galaxy s3 have. Along with backside illumination and mechanical stabilization, it really is a great smartphone camera and I wouldn't have expected any better for a late 2012 smartphone.
Hello, I was reading a Galaxy Note 4 review and came across 2x lossless zooming for 30fps 1080p video recording and wondered why we don't have it.
Lossless zooming is great as it preserves detail in zoomed situations while keeping the file size big, unlike 4k recording which would consume lots of storage to record then zoom afterwards
As our phone supports 4k recording, doesn't the G2 have the ability to have lossless zooming capability?
If so, can someone tell me if there is there an app that enables us to do this, or someone, perhaps xdabbeb, can enable it for us??
Thanks
sjk971005 said:
Hello, I was reading a Galaxy Note 4 review and came across 2x lossless zooming for 30fps 1080p video recording and wondered why we don't have it.
Lossless zooming is great as it preserves detail in zoomed situations while keeping the file size big, unlike 4k recording which would consume lots of storage to record then zoom afterwards
As our phone supports 4k recording, doesn't the G2 have the ability to have lossless zooming capability?
If so, can someone tell me if there is there an app that enables us to do this, or someone, perhaps xdabbeb, can enable it for us??
Thanks
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Lossless zoom is achieved when u have an optical lens movment.
I dont believe any of these phones have optical zoom.
You can't "enable" optical zoom. It literally means that the lesnses need to move back and forth. Like in cameras. You see the lens moving and adjusting to the zoom.
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Lossless zoom is achieved when u have an optical lens movment.
I dont believe any of these phones have optical zoom.
You can't "enable" optical zoom. It literally means that the lesnses need to move back and forth. Like in cameras. You see the lens moving and adjusting to the zoom.
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I thought it was a software thing on mobile phones where they increased video resolution and cropped it to show the area you are zooming in on so that the zoomed part remains 1080p??
For example, a quarter of a 4k video would be a 'zoomed in' 1080p one
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I thought it was a software thing on mobile phones where they increased video resolution and cropped it to show the area you are zooming in on so that the zoomed part remains 1080p??
For example, a quarter of a 4k video would be a 'zoomed in' 1080p one
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I guess.. It can't preserve detail so it has to be cropped.
It's like zooming into a picture in photoshop.
We have digital zoom only. Digital zoom scales an area up to "zoom" in. It blows up pictures making them look nasty.
This is a great question and I think the prior replies have missed the concept. Yes, our camera is like 8 or 12 megapixels, but 1080p HD video is like only 2 megapixels. So when we record video on our 8 megapixel sensors, the sensor "line-skips" to resolve only a 2 megapixel (1080p) image. When we zoom in, digitally, it keeps the same "line-skipping" design as non-zoomed. This results in a lower-than-HD resolution. It would be VERY SMART to adjust the line-skipping design, or not line-skip at all, on a digital zoom, thus still using 2 megapixels worth of photo sites to capture the "zoomed" image. This is the same concept as "sensor windowing" used on RED cameras when changing the resolution. I'm surprised this is not the new/standard way to implement digital zooming on ALL modern smartphones to preserve details and resolution when digitally zooming, because of course there is no optical zoom option.
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We have digital zoom only. Digital zoom scales an area up to "zoom" in. It blows up pictures making them look nasty.
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I am quite sure the note 4 does not have optical zooming. This is the reason it made me think and 'come up' with this idea.
Jackdup said:
This is a great question and I think the prior replies have missed the concept. Yes, our camera is like 8 or 12 megapixels, but 1080p HD video is like only 2 megapixels. So when we record video on our 8 megapixel sensors, the sensor "line-skips" to resolve only a 2 megapixel (1080p) image. When we zoom in, digitally, it keeps the same "line-skipping" design as non-zoomed. This results in a lower-than-HD resolution. It would be VERY SMART to adjust the line-skipping design, or not line-skip at all, on a digital zoom, thus still using 2 megapixels worth of photo sites to capture the "zoomed" image. This is the same concept as "sensor windowing" used on RED cameras when changing the resolution. I'm surprised this is not the new/standard way to implement digital zooming on ALL modern smartphones to preserve details and resolution when digitally zooming, because of course there is no optical zoom option.
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I do not know much of cameras so I do not fully understand what you(Jackdup) are saying, but I think you know what I mean
Just wondering, do you know of any apps that can do this, or know how this works? Maybe you can explain it to a developer to implement it in our devices
Thanks