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Touch HD vs. SE Idou

Hey guys.
There's a new competitor in town. SE is definitely looking to gain some market share with the Idou scheduled launch Q2 '09. some specs listed are :
Sony Ericsson Idou
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
HSDPA 900 / 2100
Coming soon. Exp. release 2009, Q3
TFT touchscreen, 16M colors
360 x 640 pixels, 3.5 inches
Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g, DLNA
Symbian OS
12.1 MP, 4256 x 2832 pixels, autofocus, xenon flash, video, video LED flash, secondary VGA videocall camera
- Built-in GPS
- aGPS function
- Camera images geo-tagging, face and smile detection
- Google maps
- FM radio with RDS
- MP3/AAC/MPEG4 player
- Organiser
- Built-in handsfree
- Voice memo/dial
- Java MIDP 2.0
Some links:
Engadget
Phonedog
Some other video
What are your thoughts on this new model.

The SE Idou has a smaller screen, lower resolution, not WinMo, no North American 3G (Telstra model has 850).
The only positive that jumps out is the camera, but that's not enough to overcome the above negatives for me. Sorry, not interested.

I bet the Idou-NOT camera will still be shooting 3gp video in 320*240 resolution

My 3 and a half year old Universal has a bigger, higher resolution screen than the Idou. If that's progress I'm not impressed.

That phone was epic back in the day! Still has some decent specs now!

really cant stand all those nonstandard resolution.
heck, enough's enough already with vga wvga q and square stuff!

crashDebug said:
really cant stand all those nonstandard resolution.
heck, enough's enough already with vga wvga q and square stuff!
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Well get used to it - it's the same resolution that all the new touchscreen Symbian handsets are coming out with such as the Nokia 5800 and the Samsung OmniaHD.
The reason they've gone for it is that it's a 16:9 aspect ratio.
There's no point trying to compare the Touch HD to the Idou as one of those handsets isn't even available yet.
In fact, going on SE's recent form, I'd be very surprised if they get it into shops this year. And I'd even go so far as to say that someone like Samsung or LG will have released a different 12mp handset before Idou is available.
Also, why on earth does anyone think that 12mp on a phone is going to be a good thing?
Think about how poor the camera on the HD can be, do you really think cramming in an extra 7 million pixels will make things better?

Too low res for me - 800*480 is simply a sweet spot, it's the major thing HTC got right.
I bet the 12mp camera takes shockingly bad pictures too. That's more than almost all aps-c DSLRs out there (and the few that tried 14/15mpixel didn't sell, because they took worse pictures than the 10/11 models).

Idou would be a good phone. If this (or N97) is out now, I would not have bought the HD. Don't get me wrong. I am very satisfied with HD (with all the tweaks and cooked roms). Coming from a S60 N95/82 and after using HD for the last 3 months I have to honestly say somehow WM is still not as good an OS compared to Symbian. Symbian is still more robust, nimble and more efficient.

not impressed with it's spec's compared to some of the 2009 htc devices on the horizen...like the Firestone, etc.

I don't know for sure, but normally cameras with these resolution ain't better than any 5 MP camera. Its not the resolution that limits the capacities, but its the lens.

mib1800 said:
Coming from a S60 N95/82 and after using HD for the last 3 months I have to honestly say somehow WM is still not as good an OS compared to Symbian. Symbian is still more robust, nimble and more efficient.
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Everyone has their own preferences.
Until the Nokia 5800 was released, I'd never used a Symbian phone that I liked. I just don't feel the way the menus are laid out works all that well.
johnpatcher said:
I don't know for sure, but normally cameras with these resolution ain't better than any 5 MP camera. Its not the resolution that limits the capacities, but its the lens.
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It's both.
Yes the lens makes a big difference but so do the number of pixels.
By cramming more pixels onto the same size of sensor, each pixel is smaller and consequently less light hits it.
Because less light hits it, the picture will appear duller unless you increase the amplification of the signal from each pixel. But if you do that, you also increase the amount of noise, which is detrimental to the picture quality.
Even with premium components it's impossible to amplify a signal without having noise appear but there's no way that a phone is going to be fitted with premium components, so the noise will be much worse than it would be on a digital camera of the same quality, not to mention that proper digital cameras would also tend to have a physically larger sensor anyway, so they wouldn't have to crank the amplification up so much.
Even the C905 (which is, according to GSMArena the best 8mp camera-phone on the market from a camera perspective) already has serious issues with noise and, at best, Idou will have a sensor of the same physical size but with more pixels.
However I've already read rumours that the sensor will, in fact, be smaller than the C905's which will make it all even worse.

Step666 said:
It's both.
Yes the lens makes a big difference but so do the number of pixels.
By cramming more pixels onto the same size of sensor, each pixel is smaller and consequently less light hits it.
Because less light hits it, the picture will appear duller unless you increase the amplification of the signal from each pixel. But if you do that, you also increase the amount of noise, which is detrimental to the picture quality.
Even with premium components it's impossible to amplify a signal without having noise appear but there's no way that a phone is going to be fitted with premium components, so the noise will be much worse than it would be on a digital camera of the same quality, not to mention that proper digital cameras would also tend to have a physically larger sensor anyway, so they wouldn't have to crank the amplification up so much.
Even the C905 (which is, according to GSMArena the best 8mp camera-phone on the market from a camera perspective) already has serious issues with noise and, at best, Idou will have a sensor of the same physical size but with more pixels.
However I've already read rumours that the sensor will, in fact, be smaller than the C905's which will make it all even worse.
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I agree with everything you said, and being a photographer I'm very familiar with issues you described.
However, Sony is leading the market in compact digital cameras, and as such, it would not surprise me that these 12 megapixels turn out to produce "decent quality" photos.
Decent for average Joe Snapshooter, of course. Because, although for last 5 or so years I have been listening to "OMG, they're putting EVEN more pixels onto that tiny sensor", somehow the manufacturers are still running the megapixel race, and image quality has had a small but steady quality improvement. First time I heard this sentence was when first big megapixel jump happened: from 1 megapixel to 2.
So, let's just wait and see before bashing the new Sony, at least camera-wise.

I'm not waiting, I hold out zero hope for Idou or any other 12mp handset.
I've seen both 100% crops and A3 printouts from the C905 and as I said before, noise is a huge problem.
I just don't see how adding extra pixels is going to do anything but make matters worse.
Also, since when have Sony been leading the market for compact cameras?
I must admit I'm not as au fait with everything since the pixel numbers went through the roof but last time I checked, Nikon and Canon were sharing the spoils.

Rozenthal said:
Decent for average Joe Snapshooter, of course. Because, although for last 5 or so years I have been listening to "OMG, they're putting EVEN more pixels onto that tiny sensor", somehow the manufacturers are still running the megapixel race, and image quality has had a small but steady quality improvement.
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There have been tests recently that showed the best compact ever made was the Fuji f30, a 4 year old 6 megapixel model (people pay a ton of money for them on ebay). Even with improvements in tech since, they've not been able to counteract the quality decrease that cramming more megapixels in causes. Fuji themselves tried to reign back the megapixel race, hold at 8 max for quality reasons, but marketing trumps all and they've had to give it up.
I had a 15mpixel Canon pocket camera recently, the quality was awful.

arfster said:
There have been tests recently that showed the best compact ever made was the Fuji f30, a 4 year old 6 megapixel model (people pay a ton of money for them on ebay).
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I don't suppose you have a link?
I tried my fair share of Fuji cameras in the past and was never hugely impressed by them, so I'm a little surprised at that.
Also, for them to try and position themselves as the voice of reason in the megapixel war is rather hypocritical since they were the manufacturer who traditionally always aimed for more, staying on with interpolation long after most other manufacturers had given up on it.

Camera

Ok, as far as i can tell no one has mentioned this, i appologise if i have missed it as i know some people on here get a bit righteous on here.
SO the camera. , on the HD the camera was the only major thing that really sucked, it did everything else i was expecting of it but that camera really was crap in anything but perfect light conditions.
has anyone heard anything about this HD2 and its camera, its the same MP spec obviously but that means nothing, forget the LED lights they are a gimic at best. Whats needed is a larger CCD and lens, not pixel density, so whats the word on the streets guys? can this thing suck in more light than its older brother and not suffer major lag as the device tried to compensate? and is the shutter responce higher reducing those blured pics that can happen even in perfect day light?

here you have some samples
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8987
and more here
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-hd2-5mp-camera-gets-reviewed-distinctly-average-1259864/
it is average... nothing good, but nothing bad... but i think those are samples from pre release... so it can change...

Yeah the camera sucks

Actually, judging by the videos I've seen, HD2's camera is very fast (almost instant) when focusing, which makes it usable in real-life conditions, unlike HD's.

dazza9075 said:
forget the LED lights they are a gimic at best.
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I beg to differ... While I completely agree that LED flash is no match for a "real" xenon flash, it is useful as it allows to take pictures that wouldn't be possible otherwise - you can take a picture of your friends in a bar and stuff like that (which in my case is like 90% of all the scenes I want to take pictures of )
dazza9075 said:
is the shutter responce higher reducing those blured pics that can happen even in perfect day light?
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My major gripe with HD was very slow focusing - it just didn't allow to shoot anything. HD2 is 10 times better - it almost works like a focus-free camera in terms of speed (at least that's what I saw on some hands-on video).

Fast it may be, but the pictures i have seen so far are of terrible quality, but what can you expect from a cmos lens?

CMOS sensor, you mean?
I certainly don't consider those pictures to be of "terrible" quality. They are noisy and all, but if I can use my phone to make something like that I'd be quite satisfied, for anything better I'd use a "real" camera. The problem with my HD is that I can't use it at all because it's so slow that the scene changes several times before it shoots anything.

Well my nokia 5800 only has 3.2mp and it blows those pictures away. CRAP

Yeah, i know LED lights can have a use, especially up close as you say taking pics in the bar, which ironically is exactly the poor lighting i tried with the HD to no avail!
so i take that back.
Shutter speed would be good, ive lost too many good photos because the wind was pushing me enough to slightly blur everything.
I never even thought to check if the HD cam was CCD or CMOS,
its a bit bizzar if thats the case because although CCD has a higher quality it should be slightly slower than CMOS, which it clearly isnt, which makes me wonder what exactly is slowing the whole thing down.
Well as for the (perfect lighting conditions and zero blur) quality of the HD im more than happy, so i hope HTC can build on it and make it faster.

jrvenge said:
Well my nokia 5800 only has 3.2mp and it blows those pictures away. CRAP
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thats all rather subjectional really, my old XDA 2 produces better pics at the cost of resolution, so yes in a small printout it could be better but not when blown up. most people do not need anything more than 3.2mp, if my HD was any quicker on 3.2 id use it.
Most printers in peoples homes arent capable of printing the difference between 3.2 and 5 unless its enlarged anyway!
ive yet to see any good shots from a production HD2 but if its like the HD and its "perfect lighting" the quality is quite amazing, perfect lighting is the operative statement there though for the HD so i can only hope the HD2 can push that bar back a bit!

dazza9075 said:
its a bit bizzar if thats the case because although CCD has a higher quality it should be slightly slower than CMOS, which it clearly isnt, which makes me wonder what exactly is slowing the whole thing down.
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As far as I understand (and I'm not an expert so I may be wrong), there are two problems:
One is obviously the crappy optics (small and made of cheap plastic and such) which do not let enough light come through, combined with a tiny sensor, resulting in lower shutter speeds required to take a picture - thus you get the blur.
Two is the way auto focus works - it's not measuring distance to the object, but instead analyzes the image from the sensor for sharpness and then adjusts focus until the blur goes away. This requires some calculations, obviously. All (or most) non-professional cameras work this way, but "real" cameras have dedicated processors for this stuff, and don't do it in "software" mode - hence, they are much speedier. The same must apply to HD2 - Snapdragon has some camera module AFAIK, and/or is much faster overall than the processor in HD (and it's not just the clock speed, the Cortex A8 architecture is way more efficient).

vangrieg said:
As far as I understand (and I'm not an expert so I may be wrong), there are two problems:
One is obviously the crappy optics (small and made of cheap plastic and such) which do not let enough light come through, combined with a tiny sensor, resulting in lower shutter speeds required to take a picture - thus you get the blur.
Two is the way auto focus works - it's not measuring distance to the object, but instead analyzes the image from the sensor for sharpness and then adjusts focus until the blur goes away. This requires some calculations, obviously. All (or most) non-professional cameras work this way, but "real" cameras have dedicated processors for this stuff, and don't do it in "software" mode - hence, they are much speedier. The same must apply to HD2 - Snapdragon has some camera module AFAIK, and/or is much faster overall than the processor in HD (and it's not just the clock speed, the Cortex A8 architecture is way more efficient).
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If that is the case then i dont understand why they didnt use a CCD, much easier to build and if you need a processor for the auto focus to make it work then it makes little difference since you need a chipset anyway (cmos has most of its circuits onboard)
i put my money on a tiny sensor, but hopefully your right and it is a CPU limitation because its doing it in software, least it can only get better that way!

[TechDream] What I want the Nexus 3 to be...

Okay, so it's almost 3am as I sit in front of this horribly outdated computer, bored, but deprived of any sense of drowsiness. What better to do before I root my Samsung Nexus S 4G than to start a thread of what I'd want the Nexus 3 to have. Sure, there are other things I could do that would be numerous times better than this one, but I engaged in a few news stories on my Pulse App about some new tech that is coming our way, so this is what I decided on. Feel free to add in some good ideas. Laser beams, shark fins for super-duper galactic reception, retina scanner, etc. Most of what I came up with sounds possible (well, possible to me, but probably because I don't understand much of the complications that'll be in place from trying to squeeze all this power into one device). ANYWAY! On to the dream:
4.3" 1280x720 Super AMOLED Plus HD edge-to-edge capacitive touchscreen with Asahi's Dragontrail glass display
1.5Ghz quad-core 28nm mobile processor with 12-core GPU
2GB 30nm dual channel DDR2 mobile RAM
12MP rear facing camera with full 1080p video recording at 60FPS
LED flash for video recording
Xenon flash for still photos
3MP front facing camera
Proximity Sensor
Ambient Light Sensor
Accelerometer
Gyroscope
Bluetooth 3.0
A-GPS
Digital Compass
802.11 a/b/g/n WiFi
MicroUSB 2.0
3.5mm headphone jack
1930 mAH battery
Noise canceling microphones
Made by Samsung. Why? Because the SGS2 is f*cking sick, they make SAP displays, they're making 30nm DDR2 memory, and because apparently Microsoft makes $5 off every HTC device sold with Android OS. So f*ck that.
Anyway, end of nerd-mode. Just felt like sharing

If I'll carry home a phone like that, my PC will probably kill itself.
I don't need a bigger screen. And mostly, I don't want a bigger phone.
I also think 800x480 (or 854x480 like some Motorola/SE devices) it's a pretty damn good resolution for a 4'' display.
1280x720 it's almost 2.5 times the amount of pixels.
Don't think a 2000mA battery can help so much. :/
Rather, I really hope they take care about battery life in the next generation devices (even NS already perform very well).

Lol, my SNS4G is almost as good as my computer =/ it's pretty sad. I just feel, especially with Super AMOLED Plus, a resolution that high for a 4.3" screen (or even a 4") would just be remarkably amazing. The phone-that-shall-not-be-named has a wonderful display due to the resolution, but I just feel like the size is too small (that's what she said?). So with Samsung's amazing displays, but an HD resolution with just blow my mind! I would seriously throw out my desktop and use my phone for everything.
As for battery life, currently the processors we have now are, I believe 40nm? Maybe 45nm. Such is the Hummingbird. So 28nm, whether is be single, dual, or even quad, would be theoretically insanely battery efficient, especially with such high speed RAM at a low 30nm power. SAP displays also would help with battery life and with dual channel RAM it wouldn't overload and drain the battery.
This is all in theory though. Feel free to punch me and call me a dork, lmao. You are right though, battery tech needs to improve, though I hear they've found some good alternatives that are a great deal better than our current tech.

Battery does need to improve. I'd love to trade my rooted inspire 4G and a brand new Google TV Logitech Revue for the HTC Sensation. I'm so in love with that phone lol.

sheanzyy said:
Battery does need to improve. I'd love to trade my rooted inspire 4G and a brand new Google TV Logitech Revue for the HTC Sensation. I'm so in love with that phone lol.
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How's the Logitech Revue with Google TV working out for you? I really want one, but I'm not sure

EyeslikeOlives said:
How's the Logitech Revue with Google TV working out for you? I really want one, but I'm not sure
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I'm not really sure. It's different. I like accessing the internet/youtube/twitter from my TV, so Google TV is good for that instance. Netflix on it is unbeatable and overall it's nice to own. I don't think it's worth $299 though. I think Google TV is still early and will become something in the months ahead, but I wouldn't pay $299 again. Maybe 150-199$.
The keyboard that it comes with is pretty neat as well.

I think the screen is perfect no need to change 4" is good enough
want htc or sony ericsson to make it
want better and faster processer ofcourse its ganna be upgraded anyway
do not want bigger than nexus s which is current size
must need light notification
need lil better battery life
and some better cameras both front and back
and MUST MUST NEED TO MAKE WORLD PHONE.
other than everything rocks
but this thing need to be changed and must need for next nexus phone

4" is enough for me, super emoled plus, better battery, surround audio speakers, better cameras, better gtalk messenger and a power button placed on the top left of the phone ))
Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk

well, with a 4.3 inch phone, i think the power button is good to go as it is on the nexus s. having it on top makes it hard to press with one hand.
New specs needed apart from the stuff you said:
- fingerprint recognition on the screen
- extra-high capacity antennas so that roaming is no longer needed. you can connect to your network even if u travel abroad

- I want a 4.7" display.
- A freakin notification led already?
- A 6000 mAh battery. No, I don't care about the number. I want it to last for 20 hours of navigation and audio streaming. Maybe solar + motion + humidity trickle charge would help. I want wireless charging, too, anywhere in my house or car.
- Ambient temp/pressure/humidity sensor.
- Full-size holographic keyboard
- Satellite backup for when I don't have a cell signal.
- Stereo speakers that don't sound like crap.
- Usb host.
- I want it to sense eye movement and automatically flip the page when I'm on the last line.
- Print directly to a wifi printer.
- Screen that's transparent when off. Augmented reality? Oh, baby.
- Fully integrated text-to-speech. Read any text displayed on the screen. With auto-scroll.
- Useable OCR.
- On second right, I might keep the 4" screen. Judging by the reach of my thumb when I'm holding it, I'm inclined to agree with Miriam Joire that 4" is the sweet spot. But...
- I want the screen to wrap around the back or retract into a slot in the left edge like a roll top desk, so I can extend it out to 8" for serious reading. (Hey, it's my dream, alright?)
- Forget kickstands. I want a compact magnetic plate desk accessory for electro-magnetic levitation with user-controlled height & angle.
- How about a built-in projector for movies on the fly?
- While we're at it, I want a retractable knife blade and corkscrew, a cigarette lighter, and a Megawatt laser for frying bacon.

sheanzyy said:
I'm not really sure. It's different. I like accessing the internet/youtube/twitter from my TV, so Google TV is good for that instance. Netflix on it is unbeatable and overall it's nice to own. I don't think it's worth $299 though. I think Google TV is still early and will become something in the months ahead, but I wouldn't pay $299 again. Maybe 150-199$.
The keyboard that it comes with is pretty neat as well.
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When it gets 3.1 it will be worth it. I wish the PS3 would get Google TV for a UI.

EyeslikeOlives said:
Okay, so it's almost 3am as I sit in front of this horribly outdated computer, bored, but deprived of any sense of drowsiness. What better to do before I root my Samsung Nexus S 4G than to start a thread of what I'd want the Nexus 3 to have. Sure, there are other things I could do that would be numerous times better than this one, but I engaged in a few news stories on my Pulse App about some new tech that is coming our way, so this is what I decided on. Feel free to add in some good ideas. Laser beams, shark fins for super-duper galactic reception, retina scanner, etc. Most of what I came up with sounds possible (well, possible to me, but probably because I don't understand much of the complications that'll be in place from trying to squeeze all this power into one device). ANYWAY! On to the dream:
4.3" 1280x720 Super AMOLED Plus HD edge-to-edge capacitive touchscreen with Asahi's Dragontrail glass display
1.5Ghz quad-core 28nm mobile processor with 12-core GPU
2GB 30nm dual channel DDR2 mobile RAM
12MP rear facing camera with full 1080p video recording at 60FPS
LED flash for video recording
Xenon flash for still photos
3MP front facing camera
Proximity Sensor
Ambient Light Sensor
Accelerometer
Gyroscope
Bluetooth 3.0
A-GPS
Digital Compass
802.11 a/b/g/n WiFi
MicroUSB 2.0
3.5mm headphone jack
1930 mAH battery
Noise canceling microphones
Made by Samsung. Why? Because the SGS2 is f*cking sick, they make SAP displays, they're making 30nm DDR2 memory, and because apparently Microsoft makes $5 off every HTC device sold with Android OS. So f*ck that.
Anyway, end of nerd-mode. Just felt like sharing
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The only thing I would add to that list is an MHL port and a slightly smaller screen.

MrDrumngun said:
When it gets 3.1 it will be worth it. I wish the PS3 would get Google TV for a UI.
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I completely forgot about that! And didn't they lower the price tag of it to $200? Or was I just dreaming? ._.

Camera Installation (Droid Incredible) Or other hardware

Im abel to get my hands on an Iphone 4s Camera If I install it on my Incredible (Nils GingerSense 2.2) How hard would you expect it to be to install th driver, If needed?

Djay1809 said:
Im abel to get my hands on an Iphone 4s Camera If I install it on my Incredible (Nils GingerSense 2.2) How hard would you expect it to be to install th driver, If needed?
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You need to provide more information. Have you checked out the connections? do you have a physical connector? Do you have the pinouts or datasheet? I'd expect it to be a difficult task. Even among similar devices the pinouts and connector types change. After establishing the physical connection, you have to work out the communications.

How do I get the data sheet, I Loove the fact that I have a 8 MP Cam but The I phone has a 5 PM thats sarper than mines, Just imagin the 4s Cam. I know how to tak my phone apart if that helps, but Im not sure what other info I need.

5mp being sharper than 8mp does not seem to make sense. have you tried cleaning your camera and/or maybe refocusing it? there is a manual focus adjustment on the camera which is set by the factory. Maybe it is set wrong. Also, there can be buildup on the lens on the inside of the case which is causing blured images.
I doubt replacing a camera with a lower megapixel camera would fix anything. It would actually be more of a hassel than it is worth... locating pinouts, drafting a new connector, manufacturing a new connector, locating or writing new drivers.... these are all required for you to go from the 8mp camera to the 5mp camera. even still, you'd have a lower quality camera.
You really want to look at cleaning or refocusing via the manual camera adjustment on the camera dongle inside the device.

those tips are great tips, and should be followed before any kind of extreme camera swaps.
But with that said, I could see situations where the iphone 4s' camera could be better than an 8mp one. Although more pixels are used to create an image in an 8mp camera, the method of creating the image itself is entirely different. The iphone has a very unique type of setup, especially with the backlit sensor. The difference is especially noticeable in lower light situations. A typical 8mp setup will show more "blue haze" than an iphone 4s, and may be blurry only because the device may "record" more frames knowing there is less than ideal lighting, which allows more room for error for the human taking the photo because they might not hold the device perfectly still for this long. The sensor in the iphone 4s reduces the haze and allows the camera to take a faster photo in darker situations, avoiding potential camera shake. I personally would love to take the iphone 4s's sensor, and put it in the Galaxy Nexus Prime, but actually getting that to work would require a team of developers experienced in the hardware utilized in both devices.

That's what I was talking about. The IPhone 4s camera, but in any case I'm not a developer just good enough to hack and regonize really good hardware. But in this case I'm starting to question if this is more a hardware or software issue.
Just Incredible, GingerSense 2.2

It's possible that iPhone camera does better pictures, it can be just manufactured of better materials.
Anyway, such replacement is impossible for single man without advanced stuff and deep knowledge about drivers. It isn't a notebook where construction is somewhat standarized and you can just replace LCD screen with one from another model of another producer and it's big probability that it will work, as an example. Every phone manufacturer does create its own unique connectors and it just won't fit to another stuff.

Hello my friend. I have a problem, May you help me, please.
I have a Galaxy S2 i9100 Mobile. Some days ago, I tried to update my mobile's driver with Samsung App. After installing its driver, I found that I must use of Main memory for updating. Now the camera doesn't work, and whenever I click on camera icon, the camera application open but the screen is completely black, and after some seconds this message is displayed on the screen:
"Sorry
The application camera (processcom.sec.android.app.camera) has stopped unexpectedly. Please try again"
I try all ROMS and RESETS but still it doesn't work.
Thanks for your guiding.

Did you try uninstaling the app and power cycling the phone?
Just Plain Incredible GingerSense 2.2

you really can change the camera to a phone??
the type of galaxy ace put a bigger mp??

you really can change the camera to a phone??<br />
the type of galaxy ace put a bigger mp??
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Yeh, but it requires very much job.
tapatalked

bottom line :
Replacing camera module, possible but not worth it. takes a lot of trial and error so why not just buy a new phone?
5mp sharper than 8mp, possible. a good picture does not rely on megapixels. that's what manufacturers want you to think. The optics are a much important thing.

The carmera is already working well itself, and it does not has any driver to upgrade

camera wja soa ooa

Xperia Z vs HTC ONE

Please If I have left something out let me know!
Xperia Z
Thinner
Bigger Screen
Water Proof
Dust Proof
Multitasking Button
microSD, up to 32 GB
DragonTrail Glass
13MP Camera
HTC one
IR Blaster
Higher PPI (469)
Stereo Speakers
UltraPixel Sensor
Built-in Amplifier
Optical Image Stabilization
64GB Storage
HDR Front Camera
Snapdragon 600
Metal Exterior
Viewing Angles
Contrast
Sunlight Visiblity

HTC One is superior in almost all aspects, except no expandable memory slot and the design is not as elegant.
Really annoys me that Sony still haven't released the Xperia Z and all these more powerful phones are coming out now.

this shouting match is already going on here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2155877&page=7

- Xperia: dragontrail hasn't been confirmed by Sony, so we can't really know.
- Built-in amplifier ? All devices with sound output have built-in amplifiers.
- I'm not sure if UltraPixel sensor isn't just higher ISO setting by default, i don't trust marketing like that.
- Xperia also supports 64gb micro cards.
PS. We already have a thread like that - and it draws flame wars etc.

I guess you won't notice a big difference of the screen size...the 5 inch displays of the Sony has to show the buttons at the bottom. On the HTC One they don't "count" to the display.
I haven't decided yet, but I still favor the Xperia Z

Akiainavas said:
- Xperia: dragontrail hasn't been confirmed by Sony, so we can't really know.
- Built-in amplifier ? All devices with sound output have built-in amplifiers.
- I'm not sure if UltraPixel sensor isn't just higher ISO setting by default, i don't trust marketing like that.
- Xperia also supports 64gb micro cards.
PS. We already have a thread like that - and it draws flame wars etc.
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Ultrapixel is just a marketing term the sensor is as big as the sensor in the z but has far less pixels, which is for lots of reasons better, especially for a phone, coupled with de IS it is bound to be better than the z. I think it is a smart move from htc especially for a phone.

The htc one is absolutely gorgeous, the best looking phone I've ever seen, extremely premium aluminium uni body, with what will be the best screen on any phone this year. Having played with an xperia z in store, with its awful washed out screen, average camera, and a build and look that strangely doesn't feel particularly premium in real life, i'm glad I didn't pre order the xperia z

Akiainavas said:
- Xperia: dragontrail hasn't been confirmed by Sony, so we can't really know.
- Built-in amplifier ? All devices with sound output have built-in amplifiers.
- I'm not sure if UltraPixel sensor isn't just higher ISO setting by default, i don't trust marketing like that.
- Xperia also supports 64gb micro cards.
PS. We already have a thread like that - and it draws flame wars etc.
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When i say bult in amplifier I just mean its better than the one in the S3
Officaly the Xperia Z only supports 16GB

Why don't you add the Galaxy S 4 to the topic?
These topic's are so stupid, technology nowadays is going so fast... Each device you're fighting for these days will be outdated in a few months.
Just choose a device and live with it until you can get a newer one.
SO WHAT'S THE POINT!??

only supports 16GB?
get your facts right... :victory:

Akiainavas said:
- Xperia: dragontrail hasn't been confirmed by Sony, so we can't really know.
- Built-in amplifier ? All devices with sound output have built-in amplifiers.
- I'm not sure if UltraPixel sensor isn't just higher ISO setting by default, i don't trust marketing like that.
- Xperia also supports 64gb micro cards.
PS. We already have a thread like that - and it draws flame wars etc.
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Saikyo_San said:
only supports 16GB?
get your facts right... :victory:
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sorry yea its officially 32GB
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z-5204.php

The HTC One also has infinity glass which reduces glare and is resistant to scratching.

Maedhros said:
The HTC One also has infinity glass which reduces glare and is resistant to scratching.
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HTC is also much better in dropping marketing terms
any way probably a better phone.

I honestly really like both phones. There will always be advantages to one phone over the other, but honestly (unless you are a complete pessimist) both phones should be able to keep you happy for around 1-1.5 years minimum.
The thing that I want to understand is the HTC One Capacitive Buttons. You have home and back... but where is menu? Menu is probably one of the most essential buttons in android. Hopefully (this is what I would do) hitting home once would bring up menu, and double tap will go home. Something along those lines. Nothing I am really worried about anyways (AOKP will fix it haha)
I do not really think UI is something to get in a heated debate about... once custom firmware hits you can put whatever you want on. Personally I am going to rock stock AOKP on any phone I get.
Same goes for storage.... Sure XZ has a micro SD slot, but there aren't any micro SDXC cards bigger than 64gb (and might not be for a while), so really the difference between the HTC One and XZ is 64GB vs 80GB at maximum.
The only real criticism I have for Sony is the delayed North American release for the Z and especially the ZL. HTC revealed the phone today and will release in a Month. Xperia ZL was revealed in mid January and wont come out till April. There is no point to reveal an amazing new phone and then release it once it is old news. Shame on Sony for that.
Both phones are awesome, just go for the one you prefer.
Battery life is something I am finding more and more confusing with Android phones. How is it that the HTC Butterfly gets a better battery life test during video streaming than the Xperia Z by over an hour, yet has a 13% smaller battery, same processor,same GPU, and same screen resolution. This seems completely counter-intuitive.
Now for my personal opinion. I prefer the outer design and features of the ZL over the HTC One (I like the idea of as little bezel as possible), however I prefer the One screen and speakers. Not going to make any decisions till the Galaxy S4 comes out.

Just saw camera samples of "ultrapixel" phone... seriously not convinced (they have just made photos from old sensor clear)...compared http://blog.gsmarena.com/here-are-the-first-samples-from-the-htc-one-ultrapixel-camera/# this snap with my old 5mp carl zeiss sensor in nokia n97( similar shot i took of my watch back in 2009)... and BOOM! HTC has gone back 4 years
maybe it will be better if they had released 8MP with ultrapixel... obviously pixels will not remain big and so called ultra pixel will lose its meaning...
well in long run when reviews come out this may not pay well for HTC.
.... happily go with XZ ...
benchmarks are only 5-10% better and that too only due to higher clock CPU .... i m not convinced with snapdragon 600 too .... it did nothing brilliant... over s4 pro... (i dont know if it saves more power)
but then obviously its my view of the summary... lets see what happens... XZ has its own flaws too.

Do you guys really like the UI ? Can't say i like it... especially the drawer. In this aspect Sony's UI is much better for me ( if they got rid of those hideous grey rectangles in the drawer - it'd be perfect for me as far as Android can go, and in terms of UI i'm a big fan of Windows Phone's consistent, simple and clear UI )
nikhiltanwar said:
Just saw camera samples of "ultrapixel" phone... seriously not convinced (they have just made photos from old sensor clear)...compared http://blog.gsmarena.com/here-are-the-first-samples-from-the-htc-one-ultrapixel-camera/# this snap with my old 5mp carl zeiss sensor in nokia n97( similar shot i took of my watch back in 2009)... and BOOM! HTC has gone back 4 years
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Hmm... they're not bad, but certainly nothing "ultra" here. Let's wait for some more camera tests.

nikhiltanwar said:
Just saw camera samples of "ultrapixel" phone... seriously not convinced (they have just made photos from old sensor clear)...compared http://blog.gsmarena.com/here-are-the-first-samples-from-the-htc-one-ultrapixel-camera/# this snap with my old 5mp carl zeiss sensor in nokia n97( similar shot i took of my watch back in 2009)... and BOOM! HTC has gone back 4 years
maybe it will be better if they had released 8MP with ultrapixel... obviously pixels will not remain big and so called ultra pixel will lose its meaning...
well in long run when reviews come out this may not pay well for HTC.
.... happily go with XZ ...
benchmarks are only 5-10% better and that too only due to higher clock CPU .... i m not convinced with snapdragon 600 too .... it did nothing brilliant... over s4 pro... (i dont know if it saves more power)
but then obviously its my view of the summary... lets see what happens... XZ has its own flaws too.
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I think it's gonna be more than 5-10%.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=floH0ASIglU
Don't know which to chose myself. I think maybe if the One has good battery life, I'll go with it.

nikhiltanwar said:
Just saw camera samples of "ultrapixel" phone... seriously not convinced (they have just made photos from old sensor clear)...compared http://blog.gsmarena.com/here-are-the-first-samples-from-the-htc-one-ultrapixel-camera/# this snap with my old 5mp carl zeiss sensor in nokia n97( similar shot i took of my watch back in 2009)... and BOOM! HTC has gone back 4 years
maybe it will be better if they had released 8MP with ultrapixel... obviously pixels will not remain big and so called ultra pixel will lose its meaning...
well in long run when reviews come out this may not pay well for HTC.
.... happily go with XZ ...
benchmarks are only 5-10% better and that too only due to higher clock CPU .... i m not convinced with snapdragon 600 too .... it did nothing brilliant... over s4 pro... (i dont know if it saves more power)
but then obviously its my view of the summary... lets see what happens... XZ has its own flaws too.
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I think they are quite good, for a phone hardly any noise, but still a phone no matter how cool the sensor tech (and indeed this is just going back to basics nothing new going on) the lens still sucks, if the lens suck the photo quality sucks it's simple. really great photo's on a phone is just not going to happen (if the phone needs to be thin)
It has the same GPU as the s4 pro, it is a marginal update, maybe it will perform better in some cases. the 800 series will be a different beast.
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Maedhros said:
The HTC One also has infinity glass which reduces glare and is resistant to scratching.
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I heard z has universe glass
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vapotrini said:
I think it's gonna be more than 5-10%.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=floH0ASIglU
Don't know which to chose myself. I think maybe if the One has good battery life, I'll go with it.
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summary here :
http://blog.gsmarena.com/htc-one-benchmark-scores-are-here-ready-to-blow-your-mind/
looks more like a overclocking advantage except for quadrant