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Can I root/overclock and NOT install a custom ROM?

I have an Eris running 2.1 OTA. I want to be able to overclock it, which obviously requires root, but I do not want to install a custom ROM. I want to continue running 2.1 OTA. Is this possible?
Based on what I've read, I figured it might be.
1) I thought I could follow the instructions in "I. Gaining root" at the Walkthrough thread on this site to root the phone. Simply rooting does not modify or wipe the 2.1 OTA ROM, correct? So I could be root but still running 2.1 OTA.
2) Flash the kernel-overclock-update-v3.zip found in the "Overclocking Patch and update.zip" thread on this site, which would modify the kernel so I can O/C.
3) Install and use setCPU.
Any reason this would not work or would be a bad idea? I'm generally computer savvy but have not rooted a phone before.
As mentioned above, I want to be running stock 2.1 OTA (or as close to it as possible, because I want the stability) simply with the ability to overclock.
Thanks!

Now someone here correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the way I understand the rooting process...
When you obtain root, you flash over your 2.1 OTA, and don't have that anymore. What you're flashing is a pre-rooted ROM with an old 2.1. You absolutely want to flash something else once you install the recovery image. If you want a ROM that's as close to stock OTA as possilble while still being able to overclock, I recommend this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=652044 (or, actually, this one is closer to stock: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=685581)
Also, ensure that you can root in the first place... check your HBOOT version.

If you were to only root, you'd no longer be running OTA, since the root is itself a leak.
jcase's Plain Jane is based on the OTA and is probably what you're looking for.

No, you cannot do that. Rooting isn't simply turning on a switch, it's replacing the entire ROM.

chrikenn said:
I have an Eris running 2.1 OTA. I want to be able to overclock it, which obviously requires root, but I do not want to install a custom ROM. I want to continue running 2.1 OTA. Is this possible?
Based on what I've read, I figured it might be.
1) I thought I could follow the instructions in "I. Gaining root" at the Walkthrough thread on this site to root the phone. Simply rooting does not modify or wipe the 2.1 OTA ROM, correct? So I could be root but still running 2.1 OTA.
2) Flash the kernel-overclock-update-v3.zip found in the "Overclocking Patch and update.zip" thread on this site, which would modify the kernel so I can O/C.
3) Install and use setCPU.
Any reason this would not work or would be a bad idea? I'm generally computer savvy but have not rooted a phone before.
As mentioned above, I want to be running stock 2.1 OTA (or as close to it as possible, because I want the stability) simply with the ability to overclock.
Thanks!
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Plain Jane ROM posted on this Forum would be ideal then I think

Ok, thanks for the information. I didn't realize that rooting itself replaced the stock ROM.

If you gave me your phone, I could root it and hand it back to you and with the "right" ROM, you'd be none the wiser.
Why are you afraid to use a custom ROM ? Ivan's, for example, is essentially a tweaked version of HTC/VZW's current Eris ROM.

I'm afraid to use a custom ROM because my instinct is that a custom ROM would be less stable than the default 2.1 OTA. This is my wife's phone, so stability is key.
But the ROMs that are essentially the same as the 2.1 OTA would presumably be essentially just as stable as the 2.1 OTA, so maybe I will give it a whirl.

so i just got a replcemnt htc eris and it came w/the 2.1 already on it...so is there a way for me to get a custom rom on it????and if so what do i have to do

drayon07 said:
so i just got a replcemnt htc eris and it came w/the 2.1 already on it...so is there a way for me to get a custom rom on it????and if so what do i have to do
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=684049

Can't install custom kernal without root and can't root without stock 1.5. No root for ota yet
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thanks but which one do i select because i already have the 2.1 on my phone and the link was mainly talking about putting it on there if you didnt have it

thanks but which one do i select because i already have the 2.1 on my phone and the link was mainly talking about putting it on there if you didnt have it
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You can't root because your phone has 2.1. Therefore you cannot use custom Rom or kernel. Sorry
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denonlake said:
You can't root because your phone has 2.1. Therefore you cannot use custom Rom or kernel. Sorry
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Where have you been???? You can root 2.1 OTA, just not any of the leaks. The instructions are the same for 2.1 as for 1.5. Again, you can root 2.1 OTA just not the leaks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681648
and that is just one of many threads talking about rooting the OTA

abn75 said:
Where have you been???? You can root 2.1 OTA, just not any of the leaks. The instructions are the same for 2.1 as for 1.5. Again, you can root 2.1 OTA just not the leaks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681648
and that is just one of many threads talking about rooting the OTA
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Yes, the 2.1 OTA update is rootable. The 2.1 OTA update does not change the bootloader which allows for rooting.
However, those that got a refurbished device from Verizon with 2.1 may or may not be able to root. It has been said that some of the refurbished units have come back with the newer non-rootable bootloader.
There is an entire thread about this at the following link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=688898

One click root app development (please!!)

Does anybody know if there is any developer making a app like z4root to root gingerbread. I would like to be able to root just for some of the apps that require root. I do not want sbf back to stock and go through all that hassle.
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I too would like to see this Now if the dev that made z4root is still activate I hope they will optimize this code for gingerbread as well

why not just install the rooted version of gingerbread.......

jetracer said:
why not just install the rooted version of gingerbread.......
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exactly the rooted version is the same its just pre-rooted still has all the blur and everything why bother using an app to root when it comes rooted

It's better that the root method isn't publicly known. P3 can keep putting out prerooted images and Motorola/Google can't find the exploit as easily so we can keep rooting away.

Yea I agree, just get the pre-rooted image and stick with P3's updates - he keeps us ahead of the mainstream by a couple months anyways. I guarantee that P3 is looking out for YOUR interest way more then VZW and he has the resources to get us what we need. I'm pretty sure he must be involved with moto in some degree... I'm pretty sure thats where he gets all his early builds that are going to Verizon at the same time for more testing.... Except while they lag and usually don't even release those particular builds, because of P3 we get to tinker around with them and test too Support TBH!!!

New to android, have a couple of quick ROM related questions.

I'm new to the Android experience and I'm loving it so far. But I wanted to ask about ROM's. I understand they're a modified version of the android OS (no?). What I wanted to is that if you needed an external storage to install a ROM on your phone. If so whats the minimum size? Also does adeo work with 4.1.57? or are we still waiting for a developer to release an update?
Thanks for any sort of help you can can give me =)

you do not need any extra space, it replaces the existing software/build.
However, the likelyhood that you will see any true ROMs for this phone are close to zero. The real thing to realize is that you really don't need them. Unless you like modding your phone for fun, or overclocking, or whatever it isn't needed. You can mod a lot of stuff with just root, and honestly most of the stuff people want, can be done without whole new ROMs.
as far as adeo, no idea, check the thread on it. Never touched it myself.

I'm trying to get GingerBlur on my phone, apparantly I am required to have adeo for that.

xecure said:
I'm trying to get GingerBlur on my phone, apparantly I am required to have adeo for that.
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Why do people think that? You do NOT need Adeo for Gingerblur. How did your get that idea????
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xecure said:
I'm new to the Android experience and I'm loving it so far. But I wanted to ask about ROM's. I understand they're a modified version of the android OS (no?). What I wanted to is that if you needed an external storage to install a ROM on your phone. If so whats the minimum size? Also does adeo work with 4.1.57? or are we still waiting for a developer to release an update?
Thanks for any sort of help you can can give me =)
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Adeo and gingerblur do not work on 1.57 there is a way to deodex 1.57 and I think they're working on or already have the recovery/reboot options available for 1.57 also I believe Ken is working on gingerblur to work on 1.57 as far as ROMs with the CWM there might be ROM development in the near future using the current kernel
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drock212 said:
Adeo and gingerblur do not work on 1.57 there is a way to deodex 1.57 and I think they're working on or already have the recovery/reboot options available for 1.57 also I believe Ken is working on gingerblur to work on 1.57 as far as ROMs with the CWM there might be ROM development in the near future using the current kernel
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Thanks, I'll be waiting for 1.57's version of ginger blur

xecure said:
I'm trying to get GingerBlur on my phone, apparantly I am required to have adeo for that.
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GingerBlur 1.1 works on 1.5.7. However, you need the bootstrap recovery apk from the Android Dev section. The Gingerblur installer auto-deodexes your phone. However, you need an SD card to put GingerBlur on
This phone doesn't need all of the ROMs people want. It's a super fast phone, even without overclocking. My other two phones, the Captivate and Inspire, needs to be modded to function well. Says a lot about the quality of the devices
The true ROMs (Cyanogen, Cognition, Serendipity, whatever else there is) might never, ever be usable on this phone. This device has a signed bootloader, and we can't install custom kernels while it is signed. One of the only ways we might get around this is if Motorola pulls their heads out of their asses.

PixoNova said:
GingerBlur 1.1 works on 1.5.7. However, you need the bootstrap recovery apk from the Android Dev section. The Gingerblur installer auto-deodexes your phone. However, you need an SD card to put GingerBlur on
This phone doesn't need all of the ROMs people want. It's a super fast phone, even without overclocking. My other two phones, the Captivate and Inspire, needs to be modded to function well. Says a lot about the quality of the devices
The true ROMs (Cyanogen, Cognition, Serendipity, whatever else there is) might never, ever be usable on this phone. This device has a signed bootloader, and we can't install custom kernels while it is signed. One of the only ways we might get around this is if Motorola pulls their heads out of their asses.
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Is there any threads that go over how to install bootstrap recovery? How large does my SD card need to be?

xecure said:
Is there any threads that go over how to install bootstrap recovery? How large does my SD card need to be?
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I would recommend at least 4 GB. Anything less will probably get filled up quite quickly. I bought mine from buy.com for an extremely cheap price. Hell, you can get a 16GB for ~$20 on Newegg.
This is the link to the CWM recovery: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1019143
You need to have sideloading enabled. That isn't hard, just follow this second link to root and update to 1.5.7 correctly.
You need to be rooted, and at 1.5.7. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016060
This is a guide to getting root on the newest update. This is the direction you must use:
1.2.6 SBF Flash -> Root 1.2.6 (using retainroot from the second link) -> update your phone OTA with 1.5.7 -> run the afterupdate.bat from retainroot -> install CWM recovery -> put GingerBlur.zip on SD card -> boot into CWM recovery and install zip from SD card.
It seems complicated, but you'll get used to it.
This si the micro sd card I purchased: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ..._re=16gb_micro_sd_card-_-20-211-379-_-Product
It's a Class 6 - 16GB, for only $28. It's almost criminal not to buy it! Mine works great so far

Rooting

So I just received the gingerbread update from t-mobile.
I was wondering since this is the new update, what would be the way to root this phone. I mainly want to uninstall the bloatware. also after rooting and removing bloatware. Can you undo the root and still keep the bloatware off?
Yes this is a noob android question, but your help is appreciated!

This thread will help you immeasurably if you want to do anything to your phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=866175
The rooting methods there should work fine for you. I personally recommend this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858021
because of the fact that it's mainly meant for people who are just getting started in the world of rooted phones.
Hopefully all this helps you out

There is no way to root with the update as of yet.

Is there a way to make the phone force check update
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lowandbehold said:
There is no way to root with the update as of yet.
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Hmmm, well that sucks. I guess at best all you could do is downgrade your phone to Froyo with PD15IMG, root your phone there with whatever method you prefer, and then upgrade back up to Gingerbread using a a custom rom like CyanogenMod or something.
If the Sense features are what make you want to keep the stock rom, then I recommend you upgrade to Virtuous Unity 1.31. It's got Sense 3.0 on it, and that's got pretty much all the sense features you'll ever want or need, and it runs pretty damn well if you ask me.

AlanB412 said:
Hmmm, well that sucks. I guess at best all you could do is downgrade your phone to Froyo with PD15IMG, root your phone there with whatever method you prefer, and then upgrade back up to Gingerbread using a a custom rom like CyanogenMod or something.
If the Sense features are what make you want to keep the stock rom, then I recommend you upgrade to Virtuous Unity 1.31. It's got Sense 3.0 on it, and that's got pretty much all the sense features you'll ever want or need, and it runs pretty damn well if you ask me.
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I believe you can only downgrade if you have s=off.

lowandbehold said:
I believe you can only downgrade if you have s=off.
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No, you can downgrade anyway. There's a thread that I've linked to in at least 3-4 posts only today, that explains how to do it.

[Q] HTC G2, Downgrade --> Root --> Upgrade to Stock

Am I able to downgrade, root, and then upgrade back to exactly what I'm using right now? Aka, same Rom, same Version/Build, still receive automatic android/system updates, etc, and etc, (but with root)?
M: T-Mobile G2
V: 2.3.4
BV: 12.52.60.25U_26.08.04.30_M3
KV: 2.6.35.10-g96de068
B#: 2.15.531.3 CL82286 release-keys
It's been agonizing waiting for an easy and effective root since the 2.3.4 update and I'm now considering following one of the numerous methods that can be found around the forums, specifically, the downgrade/root/upgrade method.
My concern is that the majority of the methods described all end with using a custom rom such as Virtuous, Cyanogenmod, etc--- but I don't want a custom rom. I want exactly what Rom the T-Mobile G2 is supposed to have, but with Root. I also want my system to update as it normally would.
Am I able to downgrade, root, and then upgrade back to exactly what I'm using right now? Aka, still receive android updates, etc, etc?
Side Note:
I did try the "G2 2.3.4 OTA 1-Click temp-root" method however I couldn't seem to get it to work. The thread can be found at:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1220595
Any thoughts on upgrading back to the stock rom (plus root) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
-- HobbesG2

HobbesG2 said:
Am I able to downgrade, root, and then upgrade back to exactly what I'm using right now? Aka, same Rom, same Version/Build, still receive automatic android/system updates, etc, and etc, (but with root)?
M: T-Mobile G2
V: 2.3.4
BV: 12.52.60.25U_26.08.04.30_M3
KV: 2.6.35.10-g96de068
B#: 2.15.531.3 CL82286 release-keys
It's been agonizing waiting for an easy and effective root since the 2.3.4 update and I'm now considering following one of the numerous methods that can be found around the forums, specifically, the downgrade/root/upgrade method.
My concern is that the majority of the methods described all end with using a custom rom such as Virtuous, Cyanogenmod, etc--- but I don't want a custom rom. I want exactly what Rom the T-Mobile G2 is supposed to have, but with Root. I also want my system to update as it normally would.
Am I able to downgrade, root, and then upgrade back to exactly what I'm using right now? Aka, still receive android updates, etc, etc?
Side Note:
I did try the "G2 2.3.4 OTA 1-Click temp-root" method however I couldn't seem to get it to work. The thread can be found at:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1220595
Any thoughts on upgrading back to the stock rom (plus root) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
-- HobbesG2
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I would argue your G2 is "supposed to have" Cyanogen, but to each their own.
You will need to follow this guide to downgrade if you want to root. And yes, you can flash a pre-rooted pure stock 2.3 ROM. Just search the Development forum and you'll find it. Your phone, however, should not notify you about updates after this - and you don't want it to. If you were to flash an OTA update you would lose root.
The wiki is also very helpful if you still have questions.
If you really want to see what your phone can do try out some custom ROMs after you root. Thousands of HTC Vision users can't be wrong.

Glite is a good alternative too, with the stock theme and launcher, it looks and acts exactly like stock, plus it's lighter and faster

Follow the wiki for root. You'll abandon what you have now, but you can flash a pre-rooted stock ROM after you're rooted. Chances are you'll wanna dabble in non stock ROMs eventually lol. I remember when I first rooted I though I'd never flash a custom ROM lol... ROMs like cm7 are similar to stock but perform better, have more features, and better battery life.
sent from my HTC G2 running MIUI.

martonikaj said:
I remember when I first rooted I though I'd never flash a custom ROM lol
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Yeah, I've known about roms for a long while now but I just never wanted to give up the stock rom because I never wanted to be put in a situation where my markets and/or apps would give me problems, although I do realize how silly the concern is.
I guess I should just bite the bullet and try CM7 out. Worst case scenario I can always go back to boring old stock. And who knows, I might be converted after all.

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I guess I should just bite the bullet and try CM7 out. Worst case scenario I can always go back to boring old stock. And who knows, I might be converted after all.
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Yes, exactly, you can always flash right back if it doesn't suit you. And I, too, was hesitant to flash a custom ROM the first week or so after rooting. But once I did my only regret was that I waited at all.

Alright so I downgraded to v2.2 and established root, etc etc.
I toyed with a couple roms, namely CM7 and I'm incredibly bummed because after researching a bit more on it, I realize that it has issues running google apps such as swype, navigate, market, etc. I use google apps daily for both pleasure and work. It's sort of essential that I have a solid google-app working rom.
I'm debating on upgrading to a rooted gingerbread 2.3.4 however I wanted some advice from the vets who have more experience than I so I can save myself some hard-ache.
I'm looking at G-Lite presently, and think I might give it a try, I hope it has solid use of google apps.

I've been running cyanogen since the G1. I recently tried out the stock gingerbread, and it was OK, but I missed a lot of features that are built into the CM rom, such as the status bar power widget.
One thing I noticed about the stock gingerbread is that is was velvety smooth, which isn't surprising since it is built with the actual hardware drivers. If you are used to the froyo stock rom, then you probably won't miss the extra features.
There are a few rooted stock gingerbread roms in the dev section- Paul O'brien, spookievision, and rr5678 all released stock(-ish) versions.
If you want it more stock than that, you'll have to root it yourself. I'm not sure if rooted stock roms will be able to apply the update successfully. You will probably receive it, but it might break root. Maybe it will work if you keep the stock recovery.

gee one said:
but I missed a lot of features that are built into the CM rom, such as the status bar power widget.
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People tell me that the versatility and diversity of whistles in CM is inviting but the stability issues make me concerned. For me, reliability will always trump bells&whistles.
gee one said:
One thing I noticed about the stock gingerbread is that is was velvety smooth, which isn't surprising since it is built with the actual hardware drivers. If you are used to the froyo stock rom, then you probably won't miss the extra features.
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I'm using G-Lite 1.0.3 right now and I must say I'm enjoying the simplicity of it and the fact that it is a bare-bone system. I like how it was obviously built with Froyo/Gingerbread in mind. It produced Swype problems but I easily fixed it by using the Swype-Installer.apk found on the Swype Website
[ beta(dot)swype(dot)com ]

That's really the beauty of a rooted android device - you can have exactly what you want on *your* device.

downgrade with stock s-off
Hi all,
I just bought this G2 unlocked with OTA GB (somehow i regret to click upgrade system after reading G2 forum =D).
My G2 :
VISION PVT SHIP S-OFFHBOOT 0.82.0008
MICROP-0425
RADIO 26.08.04.30_M3
eMMC-boot
I really want to root and use HTC sense UI 3.0 my G2. Every thread about downgrading to froyo was for S-ON GB not S-OFF like I have (i assume). It's S-OFF since the first time i bought it.
Could you all help me to choose what method should i use to downgrading my g2, root it, and use custom rom with HTC sense UI.
Thanks a lot guys,,
You're the best