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We need a Q/A section and a Development section beyond just the general. Is someone working on this?
Svetius is probably waiting until closer to launch for the development section, but I agree that section is the whole reason I wanted xda to support the adam.
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I agree. It would be nice to set up some topics NEATLY, i.e. SDK information, Rooting discussion, etc... How about three subs (i could be missing another few), the two you mentioned, Q&A and Dev, and also throw in Themes and Apps? January 15 can't come fast enough! Totally OT (another section?) anyone know whether the Adam uses SIM v. Micro SIM?
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We need a Q/A section and a Development section beyond just the general. Is someone working on this?
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Coming shortly! You're right, I was waiting for people to actually start receiving this device, but I'll add other forums sooner than later.
They're live:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=891
Enjoy
So, our development section gets littered with QUESTIONS. This is not where they go. It adds clutter. Just had a thought and was curious if
(a) would it would work and/or be possible
(b) what others thought of it.
Can the mods make it where you are not able to CREATE a thread in the development section unless the OP has an attachment?
EVERY thread in the development section that belongs there has an attachment/download.
EVERY thread that does NOT belong there does NOT have an attachment.
This is something I just thought of and I only glanced over the first page or so but it does appear to be a valid screening process.
Can this type of rule be in place?
I don't like that the developers and their section is littered with requests/noob questions.
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So, our development section gets littered with QUESTIONS. This is not where they go. It adds clutter. Just had a thought and was curious if
(a) would it would work and/or be possible
(b) what others thought of it.
Can the mods make it where you are not able to CREATE a thread in the development section unless the OP has an attachment?
EVERY thread in the development section that belongs there has an attachment/download.
EVERY thread that does NOT belong there does NOT have an attachment.
This is something I just thought of and I only glanced over the first page or so but it does appear to be a valid screening process.
Can this type of rule be in place?
I don't like that the developers and their section is littered with requests/noob questions.
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I'll AMEN to that.....Admins and Mods are like gods on these forums..i see that this forum is powered by vBulletin....i'm sure that can be put in place.......with a little modification
It is a public forum....restrictions will cause problems.
That said, mods are pretty good about moving things when needed--let it roll. Sometimes a [req] is needed, as is a [thinktank] that does not involve an attachment.
^ yeah, I agree, but I'm all about trying to improve xda and the mod's are always having to move threads and teach noobs.
maybe just a checkbox you must acknowledge the thread you are creating belongs in the development section... And if people don't obey a disclaimer you may get a time out (can't post for a week or something).
^ I agree with both points. But may I say, we as a community have the responsibility to steer noobs into the right direction. I admit, after being a noob since the development of Nexus One, I didn't know where to go, or what to do with my first android phone. Back then, in cyanogen mod days, there were friendly mods and community, whom helped me. That's why sometimes I still help some noobs, but steer them where to get more info... I don't know, times change, and all forum are cluttered, imo...
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The attachment idea would not work only because most dev's are hosting their stuff offsite, unless they attached a change log which at that point anyone could attach a text file if required.
The additional check box acknowledging where and what you are posting might be a reasonable idea if the board's configuration allows it.
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The attachment idea would not work only because most dev's are hosting their stuff offsite, unless they attached a change log which at that point anyone could attach a text file if required.
The additional check box acknowledging where and what you are posting might be a reasonable idea if the board's configuration allows it.
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I agree. Also, the mods have been excellent abbot moving things and keeping them on topic but they need our help. If you use xda on a computer, please use the report button for threads in the wrong place or trolling.
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So, our development section gets littered with QUESTIONS. This is not where they go. It adds clutter. Just had a thought and was curious if
(a) would it would work and/or be possible
(b) what others thought of it.
Can the mods make it where you are not able to CREATE a thread in the development section unless the OP has an attachment?
EVERY thread in the development section that belongs there has an attachment/download.
EVERY thread that does NOT belong there does NOT have an attachment.
This is something I just thought of and I only glanced over the first page or so but it does appear to be a valid screening process.
Can this type of rule be in place?
I don't like that the developers and their section is littered with requests/noob questions.
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should just lock the threads in development for everyone except the op. This will only allow the op to update their change log and add any answer or solutions from Q&A. It will force people to use Q&A instead of flooding the dev. section. Most importantly, it'll make finding solutions and fixes easy.
^ hmm.. every developer could link to a bugs/discussion thread in the Vibrant General or Q&A section... that COULD work. Not sure if developers would like that or not?
I generally agree with s15274n, but the problem is very few people respond to questions in the Q&A........so people go where there is going to be a better response.........The General and Development sections. Trying to change human nature is difficult....(try looking at a beautiful woman and only think platonic thoughts)
Maybe it there was a way to tag question in the Q & A so the scroll at the top of the Dev section crawled along as new questions were submitted so there more exposure to the questions..........The problem with that is people will not adhere to the format, they will just ignore our requests in Q & A and go along their merry way doing what they do...... maybe we could get everyone to take a proficiency test before logging on ..........kinda like a n0oB i.q.alyzer test
we need more consequences about it, people will post in the development section after being warned, In their mind its okay because nothing will happen. The agreement is a great idea, the op is warned right away so no real explanation will be needed
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we need more consequences about it, people will post in the development section after being warned, In their mind its okay because nothing will happen. The agreement is a great idea, the op is warned right away so no real explanation will be needed
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This is why I was suggesting that the threads in the dev section should be locked to the devs only. Everyone else can read but not post. The dev can link to q&a for others to post their questions.
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This is why I was suggesting that the threads in the dev section should be locked to the devs only. Everyone else can read but not post. The dev can link to q&a for others to post their questions.
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that would be a good idea but devs still need feedback, leaving it to Q&A will be more chaotic. There ALL those who have questions, joyful comments will come out because its in the right section.
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^ agreed.
i really feel the best idea is a new topic in development requires you to click an acknowledgment saying your thread belongs here, and if not there may be a consequence.
All of this is pointless unless a mod comments though.
We really have a lot of work in moderation.
The idea is good, however we can not deploy yet, but I'm passing on the suggestion for moderation.
Thank you for helping and supporting the XDA!
Sounds good, I know you guys will get it right.
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Sounds good, I know you guys will get it right.
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Nice! They heard your calls, hopely we will get something like that. But wouldn't it affect all of XDA?
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Nice! They heard your calls, hopely we will get something like that. But wouldn't it affect all of XDA?
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Yes! affect all of Xda, if ok!
If I'm supposed to put my questions in the Q&A section, why is it not available on the mobile app? Our am I missing something? Lol
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WRONG SECTION!!!!!! jk
I had the same issue and just un installed and reinstalled the app and it came up.
*edit* Previous thread.
good day.
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If I'm supposed to put my questions in the Q&A section, why is it not available on the mobile app? Our am I missing something? Lol
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The q&a section is a joke, now all you hear is wrong section!, wrong section!... what is the point exactly? I just was reading a post where a guy was getting yelled at for posting a question in the question forum...
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ziggy484 said:
The q&a section is a joke, now all you hear is wrong section!, wrong section!... what is the point exactly? I just was reading a post where a guy was getting yelled at for posting a question in the question forum...
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Which thread was that you were reading?
Yeah, can you link me? More than likely it was a thread that was moved after the question was asked an the yelling happened.
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That's exactly what I was thinking. Probably the ROM/Kernel combo for battery life thread.
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Yeah, can you link me? More than likely it was a thread that was moved after the question was asked an the yelling happened.
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Well im sure not going to waste time looking for it again... but lets say your right and it was moved after the yelling, how about why all the yelling anyway? Only at xda are the majority of conversations polluted with arguing over where to properly post. Ok fine, dont post general stuff in the dev section, thats a no brainer... but q&a, and general are the same thing.
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Well im sure not going to waste time looking for it again... but lets say your right and it was moved after the yelling, how
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Moved by the moderator. OP thought he was posting his thread in the General section when he was actually posting in the developer section. Not hard to find. Is this the thread to which you were referring?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1028286
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Moved by the moderator. OP thought he was posting his thread in the General section when he was actually posting in the developer section. Not hard to find. Is this the thread to which you were referring?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1028286
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Its development section, not developer... are you suggesting that only the devs are allowed to post anything there?
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Its development section, not developer... are you suggesting that only the devs are allowed to post anything there?
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No, sorry. Development section. I'm not suggesting anything. I was just trying to answer your question as to how it got moved.
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No, sorry. Development section. I'm not suggesting anything. I was just trying to answer your question as to how it got moved.
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Ok... but tell me the truth, does there really need to be q&a and general? Isnt the whole nature of android forums, people asking, others answering?
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Ok... but tell me the truth, does there really need to be q&a and general? Isnt the whole nature of android forums, people asking, others answering?
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I see the confusion generated by the q&a and general sections. What kind of questions belong in which? I just started posting here with some frequency like 3 weeks ago. I agree the whole nature of forums is asking and answering questions, sharing information, and helping each other out. I think how each forum handles that and how they are formatted are going to be different. I'm not a moderator or anything like that. I'm just someone who is wanting to share information and give and get answers and I'm still trying to figure out exactly how this forum is structured. Still haven't nailed down all the rules and particulars, but I keep searching. I know pretty much all the devs hang out here, so I figure it must be a good place to get some good info.
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Ok... but tell me the truth, does there really need to be q&a and general? Isnt the whole nature of android forums, people asking, others answering?
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How about we take a step back and think about this.
You're asking why is there even a Q and A & General Forum. Well think about if there was just a Samsung Fascinate forum, and nothing more. Everything lumped together. Better yet how about we just make a Samsung forum, people can ask what they want about any Samsung android device. Sounds great right, everyone has a voice and there is no way it would be complicated to use!
The reason they are here is to help you, to help me, to help the devs, to help everyone. Order and organization is the name of the game.
There has to be structure, that is why if you have a question about the Samsung Fascinate and/or its development you place it in the Q and A forum. If you have something you would like to bring up in "general" then..... you see where this is going.
We can either have one large room with everyone yelling at different people, or smaller rooms where there is no need to raise your voice!
But there is no real yelling on a forum, its online. The tense of any one sentence is how you make it.
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How about we take a step back and think about this.
You're asking why is there even a Q and A & General Forum. Well think about if there was just a Samsung Fascinate forum, and nothing more. Everything lumped together. Better yet how about we just make a Samsung forum, people can ask what they want about any Samsung android device. Sounds great right, everyone has a voice and there is no way it would be complicated to use!
The reason they are here is to help you, to help me, to help the devs, to help everyone. Order and organization is the name of the game.
There has to be structure, that is why if you have a question about the Samsung Fascinate and/or its development you place it in the Q and A forum. If you have something you would like to bring up in "general" then..... you see where this is going.
We can either have one large room with everyone yelling at different people, or smaller rooms where there is no need to raise your voice!
But there is no real yelling on a forum, its online. The tense of any one sentence is how you make it.
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Sorry, but that makes no sense... all you need is general and development for each device
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ziggy484 said:
Sorry, but that makes no sense... all you need is general and development for each device
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So I guess the themes and apps section and the accessories section should be put in general? That would make the general section completely unusable.
To the OP, all you need to do is remove the fascinate forum from your favorites. when you add it back to favorites, q&a should be there.
As far as what should go where:
General should be for general discussions like "what rom and why?"
Q&a should be for questions like, "how do I fix xyz?"
If anything should be changed, maybe q&a needs to be renamed "help"
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Its development section, not developer... are you suggesting that only the devs are allowed to post anything there?
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sounds like a good suggestion to me. I think only devs should be thread starters in the dev section.
Lemme break it down for you all:
General is for everything that is a general discussion, not a specific question. Is it confusing, yes. Does it mean that people will still post questions without searching? Yes. But that's why you all have me, I can sort it all out.
Q&A is self described. All questions, whether they are specific device questions or development questions are to be posted within the Q&A section.
Accessories is of course for accessories. Not much to say.
Development is ONLY meant for the releasing of new ROMs and such. General discussion or questions are not permitted within the development section. With the exception of kernel or source discussions, all general development discussion should be posted within the general section.
And themes and apps is self explanatory.
Now, not to be a douche, but if you don't like my rules...don't post! I for one am getting tired of having to stop these arguments when all I am asking is that people read the XDA rules, post in the correct section and use the search button before posting.
Any beef should be brought to me via PM.
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ashasaur said:
Lemme break it down for you all:
General is for everything that is a general discussion, not a specific question. Is it confusing, yes. Does it mean that people will still post questions without searching? Yes. But that's why you all have me, I can sort it all out.
Q&A is self described. All questions, whether they are specific device questions or development questions are to be posted within the Q&A section.
Accessories is of course for accessories. Not much to say.
Development is ONLY meant for the releasing of new ROMs and such. General discussion or questions are not permitted within the development section. With the exception of kernel or source discussions, all general development discussion should be posted within the general section.
And themes and apps is self explanatory.
Now, not to be a douche, but if you don't like my rules...don't post! I for one am getting tired of having to stop these arguments when all I am asking is that people read the XDA rules, post in the correct section and use the search button before posting.
Any beef should be brought to me via PM.
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I for one am tired of you acting like such a big shot... and rambling on about YOUR rules and where to post this and that, blah blah blah. but thats why i dont come here much anymore. You and chopperdog, and landshark all think your so much better than everyone else
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I for one am tired of you acting like such a big shot... and rambling on about YOUR rules and where to post this and that, blah blah blah. but thats why i dont come here much anymore. You and chopperdog, and landshark all think your so much better than everyone else
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He is laying out the rules, how is that acting like a big shot? Would you rather have an unmoderated, disorganized, cumpled together forum? If that is the case then you are in a very small group of people with that type of preference. You dont have to be here if you dont want to, so why punish yourself if you clearly dont like being here?
The Q&A forum makes perfect sense, as does breaking the forum up based on specific interests. It makes people with certain interests able to more easily find the information they seek as well as get answers to the specific answers they have. It also cuts down on the clutter than can liter a forum because it clumps all information together.
The ONLY reason I made ANY rules is because YOU, as the collective users of the Fascinate section wanted them, you wanted order, and I gave it to you. If you don't feel that my simple rules are worth your time to follow, then do us all a favor and don't post. There are plenty of more open minded users who are happy with the way things are going, and appreciate a little order and structure over the chaos that once was.
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Honest question here.
Is it me or is the general section a complete mess now.
All of the old dev threads were moved here a while ago, and it has way cluttered everything up. I just saw a post for the new MIUI. Got a little excited, but made sure I read carefully. Nope, for NS, not NS4G. I hope the wrong person doesn't download that because it is just floating out here in the General vs in the proper NS dev forum.
There are 10 pinned topics. Seems that maybe they could be consolidated to less. I personally find it to be an eyesore. And it seems to be taking up valuable space .
Again, these are my opinions. I was kinda just hoping to get a general consensus here.
Agreed completely. ROM threads need to be moved to the proper ROM sections, not kept as "info" threads in the general section. And the stickies need to be consolidated/cleaned.
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Agreed completely. ROM threads need to be moved to the proper ROM sections, not kept as "info" threads in the general section. And the stickies need to be consolidated/cleaned.
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yeah make a section under development for "unsupported by OP" or smth. a lot more elegant than the current situation
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yeah make a section under development for "unsupported by OP" or smth. a lot more elegant than the current situation
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I said this ages ago... It would work great and wouldn't be a disgusting mess that it is now.
Follow the leader @corythug
Just recently joined the ns community and yeah the general and dev section is a mess so confusing.
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Yes. I prefer to navigate this section on my phone so I don't have wade through so many stickys.
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Hey guys, I'm trying to sell my 1946 Victorian Rancher, 5 bedrooms and 5 baths, is there where I post?
unfortunately the mods here care more about clinging to some imagined ideals than creating a place that's helpful for users. these forums are the most whacked of any phone i've owned.
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Agreed completely. ROM threads need to be moved to the proper ROM sections, not kept as "info" threads in the general section. And the stickies need to be consolidated/cleaned.
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This......
bdpyo said:
Hey guys, I'm trying to sell my 1946 Victorian Rancher, 5 bedrooms and 5 baths, is there where I post?
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Definitely doing it right
Stock roms should be in Dev section regardless....they are in other phone sections
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IMO all roms (including stock, that should be pinned) need to be in the Dev section. It is a mess to need to find the threads for MIUI, pete's bugless beast and other roms in the general section.
stock ROMs are in Dev section
actual XDA home brew ROMs for NS4G / i9020 are in their respective Dev section
only the INFO links to off sites ROMs are in General
Just an innocent question.
The three threads already here should be in the "Android Development" forum as they are about Android kernels.
This Forum seems redundant, or at very least lacking unique purpose.
I suggest that what's here be rolled into N7 Android Development, so that both readers and posters aren't confused about what belongs where. If not, the mods who created this forum ought to make clear -- in a sticky post -- the differentiation between what belongs in "Original Development" as opposed to "Android Development"
(.... unless someone knows something I don't, and there's a plan to port WebOS or Symbian to the N7 )
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/ - here is the announcement on the portal!!
The dev section will be full up with rom after rom after rom... Most roms will only have small differences between them... I think this is a good move from the mods... Although, it can get a bit confusing, and we now have to check another place...
Anyway, I suggest you try to get this moved to q+a, as it isn't "original development"...
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@Mods: Is this forum needed
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@OP: Is this thread needed?
I some what agree with the OP. Only because this is a nexus device. So wouldn't almost 95% of all development for a nexus device "original development"? I could see this for the Samsung Touchwiz or HTC Sense device threads, because alot of those roms are just .zip hack jobs.
I concur with OP on this forum... It is basically just another dev forum, except now instead of 1, I need to watch 2 forums. Not really a big deal, just more of an irritance. Seems like the same thing could be accomplished by a regularly updated Sticky topic in regular Development that tracked all notable software for the Nexus 7 without needing a superfluous forum.
Maybe the android dev thread could be in the Original android dev thread? Like on android central.
I kinda like how you can sorta find what your looking for... but it seems quite confusing also at least for a while .. watching two forums now .. ugh
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http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/ - here is the announcement on the portal!!
The dev section will be full up with rom after rom after rom... Most roms will only have small differences between them...
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Well, that defines the first three threads in this forum, all about slightly-derivative kernels, yet are here because the devs think they're original. So I'm not the only one who hasn't read the split rationale.
What this particular split represents is a choice of two forums based on a totally subjective criteria -- whether it's "original enough". Will there be a litmus test -- like what percent of AOSP has to be replaced -- before something is considered "original"? And how does that split really help people find what they want in terms of features, maturity, etc.
I agree that splitting up a crowded dev forum is a good thing to do, but believe that doing it based on "level of originality" is a recipe for confusion and needless police-work for mods. Why not consider something more straightforward and easier to categorize? One possible alternative could be
ROMs
Kernels (and basebands where appropriate)
Root/booting
HOWTOS and requests for help (both from devs and users)
That would make it easier for devs, mods and users.
Yeah, I find this setup a bit confusing too, honestly.
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That would make it easier for devs, mods and users.
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I'm lovin that idea. If were gonna have mountains of dev stuff, the more organized, the better.
Firstly, you don't start a thread in a Dev section to ask a question, ever.
Secondly, the decision to add 'Original Development' sections to devices that have or are expected to have very active development was taken by the forum Admins, not the Forum-Specific Moderators.
So you would be far better off posing the question to them, either in this section or even in this thread.
Beyond that, given how new the Nexus 7 is, it's extremely premature to conclude that the Original Development section will be a waste of space.
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Firstly, you don't start a thread in a Dev section to ask a question, ever.
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Sorry. No offense intended.
Step666 said:
Secondly, the decision to add 'Original Development' sections to devices that have or are expected to have very active development was taken by the forum Admins, not the Forum-Specific Moderators. So you would be far better off posing the question to them, either in this section or even in this thread.
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Done.