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When did XDA become the land of "just wait while we sort this out for you". I came here to get my hands dirty. I came here to **** up my phone to all kingdom come in the name of hackery. This is ridiculous. Everyone shared what they had and everyone knew the risks. Now we have threads getting closed because something might brick radios? I've bricked much worse and lived. I've never seen a community so stifled by moderation and developers caught up in a secret-club-house mentality.
While I agree with you..can we please post this in the right section?
gTen said:
While I agree with you..can we please post this in the right section?
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sorry I mis-tabbed there.
OMG not another post in the wrong section!
Sorry for the duplicate post!
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Sorry for the duplicate post!
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Not another double post :O ....
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Not another double post :O ....
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That's hilarious!
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In the hopes that this topic gets taken seriously, I'll add a comment that's actually relevant.
I've been standing by and watching this whole froyo episode play out without much comment because I'm relatively new to the community, but I totally agree with OP's mentality. XDA is about hacking, hacking is inherently risky. All people have to do is be very clear about the risks and there's no reason to hold anything back.
The "but there will be a flood of noobs" excuse is a complete cop-out on the part of the developers and the moderators. The solution is very simple: Have one clear and concise guide to un-bricking your phone stuck and take a firm "you're responsible for what you do" stance.
Amen, thats what I liked about the rhodium, the forums werent congested with childrens ****. Back to business.
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When did XDA become the land of "just wait while we sort this out for you". I came here to get my hands dirty. I came here to **** up my phone to all kingdom come in the name of hackery. This is ridiculous. Everyone shared what they had and everyone knew the risks. Now we have threads getting closed because something might brick radios? I've bricked much worse and lived. I've never seen a community so stifled by moderation and developers caught up in a secret-club-house mentality.
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Every forum does usually take that turn.. but posting **** in the wrong section doesn't help.
Epic forums are ridiculous,man I wish I got the Vibrant insteead.Yeah Epic progress is slow but if someone dont want to release something for whatever reason its their right no to do so,and after trying out these froyos is see why they don't release them.Just wait when devs polish up these froyo leaks I'm sure they will release them.
But for people that want betas devs should post beta test versions on twitter for those that can't wait,so these forums wont be havin all these bull**** ass posts.
If they don't want to release it then don't talk about it either. It's just crowd whoring and adds nothing to the forum. If you don't want to have people yelling at you for not releasing then don't drop hints that you have something they don't.
If they didn't basically tease us we wouldn't be aware there was anything we're missing.
Mods try to remember you're here to keep things civil. Not censor things like some xda big brother. I can see cutting out piracy threads. But the dk05 threads don't fall under that in most countries.
Down with the oligarchy the hero and evo forums put the epic ones to shame. I despise censorship. Look up the definition this is censorship.
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The secret clubhouse mentality by the devs regarding cooking their own roms needs to stop. Simple as that. It completely goes against the entire point of Open Source and a lot of the time they are violating the GPL as well as other licenses. I've had it; I'm just going to start reporting GPL violations to the FSF and let their lawyers deal with you if you want to be stupid.
And for those devs who get pissy because someone took their work, modified it, and re-released it? What do you think Android is in the first place? It is a flavor of Linux. Just like how Ubuntu is based off of Debian or CentOS is based off of RHEL, they're all derivatives of each other all the way to the same common kernel source that is still, to this day, maintained by Linus Torvalds. So stop having hissy fits over "stolen" work. You stole it in the first place. Plus, you're required to make sources available. Why is it so hard for you people to get that through your head?
Stop acting like children and work together. Christ.
Hiding and keeping stuff from the community is completely against the spirit and purpose of this place. But, ya know, it's what happens when the egos are the ones that get their hands on it first.
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The secret clubhouse mentality by the devs regarding cooking their own roms needs to stop. Simple as that. It completely goes against the entire point of Open Source and a lot of the time they are violating the GPL as well as other licenses. I've had it; I'm just going to start reporting GPL violations to the FSF and let their lawyers deal with you if you want to be stupid.
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Heh nothing else seems to get the idea that this is a community and the code isn't theirs through their heads. Maybe this will. You'de swear these guys were windows devs. Closed solutions cannot be implemented from gpl code. Derivative works must be shared according to the contract you agree to when using gpl code.
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Mutiny32 said:
The secret clubhouse mentality by the devs regarding cooking their own roms needs to stop. Simple as that. It completely goes against the entire point of Open Source and a lot of the time they are violating the GPL as well as other licenses. I've had it; I'm just going to start reporting GPL violations to the FSF and let their lawyers deal with you if you want to be stupid.
And for those devs who get pissy because someone took their work, modified it, and re-released it? What do you think Android is in the first place? It is a flavor of Linux. Just like how Ubuntu is based off of Debian or CentOS is based off of RHEL, they're all derivatives of each other all the way to the same common kernel source that is still, to this day, maintained by Linus Torvalds. So stop having hissy fits over "stolen" work. You stole it in the first place. Plus, you're required to make sources available. Why is it so hard for you people to get that through your head?
Stop acting like children and work together. Christ.
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I think you are pushing it a little too much..they are not violating the GPL..the GPL does not FORCE people to distribute content they received..it just ALLOWS a person the right that once the content is received to distribute it...an example would be the DK05..once he got his hands on it, he automatically had the right to legally distribute it...
BUT Android also is not fully under GPL..the kernel I think is...Android itself is under the Apache License.
Everybody needs to just calm down. As far as I've checked Froyo still isn't out officially for the Epic. You guys are getting all worked up over some leaked beta software and licensing issues that really wouldn't apply to software that was leaked. There will be plenty of quality offerings when the official software is released. Samsung/Sprint haven't release the software or source yet. Just because you own the phone doesn't give you the right to have their internal beta software. If an xda dev has it and feels that it isn't worthy to post on the forums, that is their right. Somebody was b*tching about GPL infractions. Sure, ROMs derived from the released versions need to be compliant with the GPL. As far as leaked beta software, the dev could be breaking a NDA (non discloser agreement) to post any code or software they have obtained early. Doing so as a developer, is serious business and not to be taken lightly. Any stuff we get on the forums early is bonus, but NOT your right.
We will all sing a different tune once froyo is released officially and roms are being pumped out everyone will be happy until we find out we aren't getting 2.3 lol I just think people are tired of being on 2.1 and getting a bit antsy..patience
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Gingerbread will be 3.0 not 2.3 just fyi
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Down with the oligarchy the hero and evo forums put the epic ones to shame. I despise censorship. Look up the definition this is censorship.
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When froyo was leaked for the evo the roms never stopped coming. Iwas hoping to see the same here..there's talk of bugs and what not so we HAVE to wait(I don't mind) for an official release before we can talk about what direction the epic dev community is moving in
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DEVS! Would it be possible to use a FroYo Kernel for CM7 like the Droid X Developers did?
DON'T TROLL! IF YOU DO, THE MODS WILL SEE IT AND BAN YOU!
As we all know, the last Thread that involved CM7 Development for the Epic was closed because people got Off-Topic, so I decided to start this one just so we know where developing is going. This is just for those people who don't know how to read Github or don't want to check it every 3 seconds, and are okay with waiting a week for getting an update.
Please PLEASE PLEASE, DO NOT ASK FOR ETA'S! I know that someone will ask, but seriously. DO NOT ASK. It's annoying as hell. If the developers know when a release would happen, they'd tell us. Trust me, they would. But developing for our phone is difficult.
They can't Port something from the Vibrant or the Captivate because their GSM Phones and we're CDMA, meaning we use different signals or some crap like that. But I think it means that 3G and Calls and all of that would be hard to work on, not to mention 4G.
4G is an issue because it's something not many phones have, especially in the Galaxy S line. Remember that we're one of the original Galaxy S Phones, so we have it, and the Captivate, Vibrant, and Fascinate don't. This makes stuff even harder because then the developers have one more thing on their list to work on, that they never had before.
From what I saw last time, nullghost was trying to port the Nexus S 4G .35 Kernel. This is a Gingerbread Kernel. Remember that the Nexus S 4G is a STOCK GINGERBREAD phone, with no TouchWiz. The Kernel is just the thing that connects the software with the hardware, so this might also be hard because we have a keyboard and most other phones don't (I don't know if this really effects it, but from my prior experiences from Android, it does).
Lets say the Kernel gets Ported. The NS4G has 4G (no kidding). Don't quote me, but I think that'd get the camera working because obviously the camera is a piece of hardware, that should get 4G working because the the NS4G has it. GPS should probably work, although I'm sure that works if you use the GPS Status Method, and I'm not too sure about MMS and what the issue is with that.
Now, when I check Github, it appears as if the developers have stopped working? I mean, props to them for all they've done for us, but if I'm reading github properly, it seems as if they've taken a break (please correct me if I'm wrong).
Really. The only big problem we have is with people who won't stop asking for ETA's. Please, just don't ask. You'll cause more problems then you will help if you do get a reply.
And if anybody has any questions about the CM7-A4, feel free to ask them here. You should however check the closed Thread. It might be locked, but there's a reason it's not deleted, you can still read it, so please do.
Remember, no asking for ETA's. Just don't do it. Any questions, check the older Thread and in a few days or weeks what should be this Thread. Also check Github. No ETA's. Keep this on task, no gangster stuff. Kthnxbye.
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DON'T TROLL! IF YOU DO, THE MODS WILL SEE IT AND BAN YOU!
As we all know, the last Thread that involved CM7 Development for the Epic was closed because people got Off-Topic, so I decided to start this one just so we know where developing is going. This is just for those people who don't know how to read Github or don't want to check it every 3 seconds, and are okay with waiting a week for getting an update.
Please PLEASE PLEASE, DO NOT ASK FOR ETA'S! I know that someone will ask, but seriously. DO NOT ASK. It's annoying as hell. If the developers know when a release would happen, they'd tell us. Trust me, they would. But developing for our phone is difficult.
They can't Port something from the Vibrant or the Captivate because their GSM Phones and we're CDMA, meaning we use different signals or some crap like that. But I think it means that 3G and Calls and all of that would be hard to work on, not to mention 4G.
4G is an issue because it's something not many phones have, especially in the Galaxy S line. Remember that we're one of the original Galaxy S Phones, so we have it, and the Captivate, Vibrant, and Fascinate don't. This makes stuff even harder because then the developers have one more thing on their list to work on, that they never had before.
From what I saw last time, nullghost was trying to port the Nexus S 4G .35 Kernel. This is a Gingerbread Kernel. Remember that the Nexus S 4G is a STOCK GINGERBREAD phone, with no TouchWiz. The Kernel is just the thing that connects the software with the hardware, so this might also be hard because we have a keyboard and most other phones don't (I don't know if this really effects it, but from my prior experiences from Android, it does).
Lets say the Kernel gets Ported. The NS4G has 4G (no kidding). Don't quote me, but I think that'd get the camera working because obviously the camera is a piece of hardware, that should get 4G working because the the NS4G has it. GPS should probably work, although I'm sure that works if you use the GPS Status Method, and I'm not too sure about MMS and what the issue is with that.
Now, when I check Github, it appears as if the developers have stopped working? I mean, props to them for all they've done for us, but if I'm reading github properly, it seems as if they've taken a break (please correct me if I'm wrong).
Really. The only big problem we have is with people who won't stop asking for ETA's. Please, just don't ask. You'll cause more problems then you will help if you do get a reply.
And if anybody has any questions about the CM7-A4, feel free to ask them here. You should however check the closed Thread. It might be locked, but there's a reason it's not deleted, you can still read it, so please do.
Remember, no asking for ETA's. Just don't do it. Any questions, check the older Thread and in a few days or weeks what should be this Thread. Also check Github. No ETA's. Keep this on task, no gangster stuff. Kthnxbye.
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i disagree with the dont ask about ETA.
I think that if you announce that you are working on something then people have a right to ask for an eta.
People should be informed as to what is going on both good and bad...
While it can get to be like are we their yet thing... but then i would say you should have never announced something to begin with.
There's a reason I made that rule. If you look at every other CM7 Thread for the Epic, their closed because of ETA's. Don't even attempt to question what I have posted, it's based on fact.
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i disagree with the dont ask about ETA.
I think that if you announce that you are working on something then people have a right to ask for an eta.
People should be informed as to what is going on both good and bad...
While it can get to be like are we their yet thing... but then i would say you should have never announced something to begin with.
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In other news....
I heard the Droid X has Cyanogenmod mostly working with it's stock 2.2 kernel. I wonder what all the Droid X devs had to do to make it work.
With the 2.3 kernel source being so close to fruition, it probably isn't worth it to give their method a try but if samsung can't get gingerbread working in the next couple of months it might be worth a shot.
And queue take 3... omfg, when will people learn, this is not to debate ETA.
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There's a reason I made that rule. If you look at every other CM7 Thread for the Epic, their closed because of ETA's. Don't even attempt to question what I have posted, it's based on fact.
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really not allowed to talk about that? Since when can someone else take away my free speech rights to ask when something is gonna to be released? If you dont want to answer a question for eta then just dont reply to it. After all no one is making you reply to anything.
If you HAVE NOTHING TO SHARE DONT POST IN DEVELOPMENT.
I'm trying to be honest with you and save you from being flamed. Did you even read the first post? The devs don't have the kernel source for the Epic 2.3.3 or beyond, nor do they have it for the Nexus S 4G, so until then, they have to stop developing because they cannot do ANYTHING without it. So an answer to an ETA is never.
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In other news....
I heard the Droid X has Cyanogenmod mostly working with it's stock 2.2 kernel. I wonder what all the Droid X devs had to do to make it work.
With the 2.3 kernel source being so close to fruition, it probably isn't worth it to give their method a try but if samsung can't get gingerbread working in the next couple of months it might be worth a shot.
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I think this would be a good idea while we wait for the Kernel source actually...
nullghost mentioned that CM6 would be in the same state as CM 7. Idk why, but yea.
No no, we're saying use the FroYo Kernel for CM7!
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No no, we're saying use the FroYo Kernel for CM7!
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Oh damn it, reading comprehension! My bad, my bad, continue the thread. Devs: could this also be possible?
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Oh damn it, reading comprehension! My bad, my bad, continue the thread. Devs: could this also be possible?
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No.
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No no, we're saying use the FroYo Kernel for CM7!
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Fail. We've attempted this. A lot of the updated proprietary modules from gb and necessary for gb require updated kernel drivers which are present in .35 and would require more work to backport than what we're doing now.
We also do have NS4G source, we kanged everything we could from it.
We are lacking proper regulator sauce along with the branched victory gpio assignments which we can only fire blanks at right now since they have a completely new naming scheme in the aries(.35) tree.
If you want to know why these threads are closed, it's because I send requests that they be closed.
Why?
Because the participants in the threads usually spend more time speculating about possible scenarios rather than reading or asking 'good' questions.
In short, we're waiting on .35 release; then we'll either A) merge the victory bits to the unified aries tree or B) merge cm specific bits from aries to our victory sauce.
That's that.
The reason being? I dont get how theres source for 2.2 and we cant get CM6, how would 2.3 source help us get CM7 working?
And I got my answer while typing because of Deca. Thnx!
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Fail. We've attempted this. A lot of the updated proprietary modules from gb and necessary for gb require updated kernel drivers which are present in .35 and would require more work to backport than what we're doing now.
We also do have NS4G source, we kanged everything we could from it.
We are lacking proper regulator sauce along with the branched victory gpio assignments which we can only fire blanks at right now since they have a completely new naming scheme in the aries(.35) tree.
If you want to know why these threads are closed, it's because I send requests that they be closed.
Why?
Because the participants in the threads usually spend more time speculating about possible scenarios rather than reading or asking 'good' questions.
In short, we're waiting on .35 release; then we'll either A) merge the victory bits to the unified aries tree or B) merge cm specific bits from aries to our victory sauce.
That's that.
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So you don't like me?
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So you don't like me?
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I don't mind you, your motives are good, but this environment fosters redundant and pointless poo flingin'. Which usually leads to us responding with the same information, over and over.
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So you don't like me?
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Great way to lose another Dev.
Remember Konane? I really liked him. It's such a pitty.
Decadence, I appreciate your hard work. I'm sorry for causing this. I know you have done what you can and are working as hard as is possible, please don't be deterred by these threads. Some of us really do appreciate your work.
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Great way to lose another Dev. Remember Konane? I really liked him. It's such a pitty.
Decadence, I appreciate your hard work. I'm sorry for causing this. I know you have done what you can and are working as hard as is possible, please don't be deterred by these threads. Some of us really do appreciate your work.
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I'm not deterred. Far from it. Maybe bored since I only have one summer class and way too much free time to stare at proprietary bits :|
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I'm not deterred. Far from it. Maybe bored since I only have one summer class and way too much free time to stare at proprietary bits :|
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Developers tend to support developers.
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Thank you mods. According to JT now he no longer be contributing to this site due to your ****ty job. We lost one if the best developers.
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Where is he going
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Where did you hear that? If it's true, then that's pretty depressing. I hope he changes his mind eventually.
I don't blame him for leaving. But it does kinda suck.
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He'll continue to update @rootzwiki
I figured he would. That's gonna be the place to go if things don't change around here. He isn't the first to go and I say he won't be the last either.
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Yes, the mods should work to clean up some of the asinine and obnoxious posts on here, such as this thread's OP. Too bad adults have to be monitored like children
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Yes, the mods should work to clean up some of the asinine and obnoxious posts on here, such as this thread's OP. Too bad adults have to be monitored like children
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Zinger. Just reporting what I saw on twitter. Back to your moms basement
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I don't get what the whole drama is about. I saw adrynalyn's letter although it really didn't explain what exactly happened at xda and why he was banned and why other developers are leaving too. It seems like there is a massive exodus of developers but I really don't know why or what happened. There is drama here definitely but not much more than I've seen at other forums although xda has gotten huge. Oh, well... I really don't care what forum I go to. I don't get too involved.
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Damn. Didnt know Adrynalyn had got banned. That's pretty messed up. As for the exodus I have noticed it too. There almost no development going on in the Mesmerize development section. All of them have went to Rootzwiki. I haven't even seen them post in other threads or anything. So whatever has happened its enough to piss them all off. I wouldn't mind knowing what happened myself but oh well. Maybe I don't need too.
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What exactly are you talking about? What lack of moderation have you seen? Maybe instead of posting a complaint thread you could actually bring something to my attention and it can get dealt with. I moderate 3 forums here at XDA and don't see EVERYTHING. Seriously, we have a report post button for a reason...
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What exactly are you talking about? What lack of moderation have you seen? Maybe instead of posting a complaint thread you could actually bring something to my attention and it can get dealt with. I moderate 3 forums here at XDA and don't see EVERYTHING. Seriously, we have a report post button for a reason...
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first, I like how you cleaned this place up from what it was, and I have not seen anything singling you out. I follow a lot of devs on twitter.. And from what I gather, most of the frustration and animosity from the devs is toward the community itself. And what is toward the mods, it seems more the lack of numbers. another thing that I think bugs the devs is xda's add revenue not being put toward the community or t.the devs enough.. What it boils down to is
The feeling of appreciation, they all do this expecting nothing. So your gonna be on thin ice from the get go.. Devs don't need XDA at all, not 1 bit.. But you do need them. Xda needs to kiss the devs asses and make them feel like royalty, weather you like it or not, that's the only thing that will keep the devs here
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first, I like how you cleaned this place up from what it was, and I have not seen anything singling you out. I follow a lot of devs on twitter.. And from what I gather, most of the frustration and animosity from the devs is toward the community itself. And what is toward the mods, it seems more the lack of numbers. another thing that I think bugs the devs is xda's add revenue not being put toward the community or t.the devs enough.. What it boils down to is
The feeling of appreciation, they all do this expecting nothing. So your gonna be on thin ice from the get go.. Devs don't need XDA at all, not 1 bit.. But you do need them. Xda needs to kiss the devs asses and make them feel like royalty, weather you like it or not, that's the only thing that will keep the devs here
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No, it wont. These forums are very poorly moderated, I think the mods expect too much from people as far as reporting goes. Threads are made in the wrong section all of the time and dont get moved for days sometimes a week+ Some threads need to be cleaned of non contributing, repetitive crap. The list is longer than I care to sit here and type out. In the end, the lack of moderation and the bickering/immaturity that stems from every side of the table is going to do this forum in. It's not the first time and it wont be the last time. This site got too popular and too many people that have no desire to learn come here expecting to be spoon fed information. Anyways, it's sad to see that it had to come to this. Personally I think whatever action is taken might just be too late unless someone proactively tried to mend the situation from all angles.
I'd like to thanks the mods for their service to the community. You guys don't get paid to do this stuff, so we appreciate it. As for the developers, it's obvious that we all should have the utmost respect and thankfulness for all of them, as they contribute to the functionality and usability of our phones and expect nothing in return. The only thing that really, really hacks me is when people expect nice little packages to be delivered to their phone, (bug-free) and become downright donkey holes when they are asked to learn something themselves. XDA is a learning and collaboration portal, and those who demand something for nothing immediately give the lot of us a bad name. Keep up the good work mods and devs.
Thanks bro. Much appreciated. We DON'T get paid to do this, we are all here on a volunteer basis.
People have forgotten what XDA is truly about...DEVELOPMENT and COLLABORATION between users who want to get the most out of their devices, not a place to come and make your phone 1337.
But alas, all this will turn into is a flame war, so hey, hers some moderation since I apparently don't do my job. /s
Thread closed.
Why would a mod close the sgs3 thread? It was a thread for fascinate owners who are considering upgrading. It was a discussion within this community by people who wanted opinions of others they have come to know and trust, not some fan boy who posts in the sgs3 forum. Why should I go there when the opinions I want are here. And it was in the general section ffs. I mean what was wrong with that, its not like it was posted in development. Get off your high horse, this is our community too.
Oh, and by the way, while you were closing this thread in general for no real reason, you missed two posts in development that don't belong. GTW
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Since xda chooses not to assign mods who are a regular part of the community, mods routinely jump in with no sense of what is actually going on in the forum and go willy nilly. Then half the forum leaves and goes to rootzwiki until the mod loses interest.
Certainly not the first time this has happened.
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Oh I know I just couldn't believe it happened to a benign general discussion thread is all.
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a bunch of bs if you ask me...im suprised chef tony did that??
Edit: Never mind
I sent him a message at least asking why... I can't find any rules that we violated. this is why I've been bugging the admin to make either me, droidstyle, some well known person in the community a mod, it happens every few months that a mod comes in here and abuses their powers or something and pisses all of us off, we need somebody who is actually a part of the community that knows what is going on.
how come none of the threads that are in the wrong section have been fixed? how come the old threads from over a year ago that we keep requesting closes on are still open? how come the excess noob posts and things haven't been cleaned up at all? all that happened is some of our fun got ruined without him even giving a reason or explanation. just because you're a mod doesn't make you part of the community, or us not part of it. doesn't matter how much power somebody gives you if you use it wrong and on things you have no knowledge about.
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Preach on. I've been on xda since the Eris and the fascinate forums since around launch. I really don't understand why xda stays with a mod system that it has clearly outgrown. The mods are good but the system sucks.
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somebody should pm sixstringsg and see if he would reopen the thread.
Got a response from Chef_Tony. Here's our conversation.
Re: fascinate forum sgs3 thread
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I don't see the point of closing that thread, it is in anticipation of the phone because nobody in the Fascinate forum has a gs3 yet... the gs3 forums are such a cluster f*** that nobody wants to try and post there anyways. we have simply been discussing the phone that a majority of the fascinate community is upgrading to, is there a certain rule or something we broke? if so then I apologize for any offense caused. we just don't see a point to taking away our discussion.
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hi,
maybe i should have given a further explanation, why i closed the thread, but since i did not read it entirely, i wouldn't want to comment on the contents.
i did not close it for a real rule violation, but simply for the reason that the fascinate general section should be exactly that, general discussion of the fascinate, tips, tricks and tutorials. of course, users of one particular device also get together to talk about other devices, but at 10 pages, i felt it got a bit out of hand, because the same thing goes on with every device and when people start talking about a number of other devices in every device's section, it might get a bit cluttered.
still, i know, what you are getting at. i am mostly active in the sgs2 forum and of course, people are discussing the sgs3 there as well, with aspects only relevant to existing sgs2 customers, like if it is a good idea to upgrade, when you already have the s2 and what plans allow you to change phone after a year and so on. i understand the fascinate thread was basically the same thing, it was targetted entirely at current fascinate users from north america, most of them on verizon plans. that is something you don't have in the sgs3 section, yet.
closing the thread was just a first step, the plan is to move the thread to the sgs3 section and re-label it to give current (and former) fascinate users a platform to discuss the sgs3, with actual s3 users to look into and maybe offer a helping hand, since they already know everything about the device, but would not actually go into other devices' forums to help people there.
this step will be done in a few minutes, then the thread will be re-opened and has a permanent re-direct from the fascinate section, so you can still visit it conveniently from your device's section.
as you see, at no point was there any issue with the thread itself, it is just some minor maintenance to keep the forum clean and organized, feel free to continue the discussion in a few minutes.
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So basically he did it so that we could have a thread in the GS3 section for once we get our GS3s. Would have been nice for him to tell us that.
lol i think there are more important things that need to be accomplished here at xda. first step would be organizing that cluster f*** of a sgsIII forum.
I was reading Chef Tony's response and at first was thinking thats bs reasoining, than he made sense and I agree with him. And its still convenient cause I check this forum not the GS3 that often, and the thread is still here is fine. I was wondering where that thread went earlier haha.
I'm not seeing the thread on my phone any more, can somebody link to it please?
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I'm not seeing the thread on my phone any more, can somebody link to it please?
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Here ya go.
Reading this thread has made me a bit nostalgic. I've become quite accustomed to the little family of Fascinate owners here, small but dedicated. It now seems very real that the sgsIIIs are packed up and ready to ship. Even our threads are leaving us.
I don't post a great deal, but I follow you guys all the time. I suppose it was inevitable that the sgsIII would break things up, but it's sad nonetheless.
For those of you heading to the next big thing, I'll almost certainly see you there eventually. For those staying, I look forward to further discussions about the little phone that could.
I echo your sentiments. It's a shame that the powers that be decided to deprive us of the ability to discuss an issue that effects the community within the community. A thread in the gs3 forums is great and all but it isn't the same as it does not have the same dynamics or personalities.
Anyway, I may eventually make it over to gs3 land but aokp and devil kernel is a really nice setup on this venerable device. I honestly don't know if I can live without aosp and aokp so I may make it there eventually or just say screw it and snag a galaxy nexus on the cheap.
It's been excellent folks. This is the first phone I've ever truly found to be superb. But most of that is because of the hard work put in from devs like jt1134, adrynalyne, nitsuj, stephen, and many many others.
Those of you who are staying, I'll see you around. Those who are leaving, ill catch up with you all eventually :beer:
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Ok I watched the following go down last night; Epinter edited his ICS rom leak posting from full of info and a download link, to " .. " and only that at 5:22 PM PST. This was followed by a few people commenting at the end of the thread "what happened/where are you?" to which Epinter replied (thumps up) "still here". That was about 8pm PST, and as of right now 6 am PST the following day, all of Epinters posts from the past 4 days have been deleted until the 7th.
Was Motorola employee information leaked in the leak we've been using?
Lets discuss, because now the record is gone. At the end of the thread 6 hours ago someone mentioned that a sanitized version will be coming, but I couldn't verify if that was either true, or even the problem to begin with.
Is Epinter in trouble with the notoriously stupid and arrogant Motorola?
If there was ever a company to forgot the rule of the internet, that once it's on the internet it's out there forever, it would be Motorola. I can verify for a FACT that Motorola watches this forum. I have spoken to nvidia executives, when they were toting development atrixes in summer of 2011, they WATCH xda, and occasionally use it; I have in the flesh verified this, they aren't morons and they know their resources. I think we might have stepped on some toes here, because Motorola is wickedly insecure about their IP, look at their recent lawsuits and blatent tech-grab acquisition by Google. They want us to buy their damn Razr M on Verizon, and not the continued usage of our phones, just look at the locking down of bootloaders, followed by waving $100 Verizon vouchers followed by killing ICS. It's like their not just giving us the middle finger, their trying to pry into our wallet, because we (everyone here at XDA) all need smartphones, why does Motorola have to make this such a painful experience...
Figured something like this would happen. Not a Dev so I kept out of the discussion but it seems that some entity with some parts in the file objected to its presence on XDA and it had to be taken down. I hope this doesn't mean the end to dev on this as I would love to have my atrix back.
Hopefully it will surface in the underground and be available to underground atrix network.
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who do they think they are? the Gov't?
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Ok I watched the following go down last night; Epinter edited his ICS rom leak posting from full of info and a download link, to " .. " and only that at 5:22 PM PST. This was followed by a few people commenting at the end of the thread "what happened/where are you?" to which Epinter replied (thumps up) "still here". That was about 8pm PST, and as of right now 6 am PST the following day, all of Epinters posts from the past 4 days have been deleted until the 7th.
Was Motorola employee information leaked in the leak we've been using?
Lets discuss, because now the record is gone. At the end of the thread 6 hours ago someone mentioned that a sanitized version will be coming, but I couldn't verify if that was either true, or even the problem to begin with.
Is Epinter in trouble with the notoriously stupid and arrogant Motorola?
If there was ever a company to forgot the rule of the internet, that once it's on the internet it's out there forever, it would be Motorola. I can verify for a FACT that Motorola watches this forum. I have spoken to nvidia executives, when they were toting development atrixes in summer of 2011, they WATCH xda, and occasionally use it; I have in the flesh verified this, they aren't morons and they know their resources. I think we might have stepped on some toes here, because Motorola is wickedly insecure about their IP, look at their recent lawsuits and blatent tech-grab acquisition by Google. They want us to buy their damn Razr M on Verizon, and not the continued usage of our phones, just look at the locking down of bootloaders, followed by waving $100 Verizon vouchers followed by killing ICS. It's like their not just giving us the middle finger, their trying to pry into our wallet, because we (everyone here at XDA) all need smartphones, why does Motorola have to make this such a painful experience...
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I think the question is more "why are the Motorola managers [excluding Googlers] so hell-bent on not thinking with their heads".
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Figured something like this would happen. Not a Dev so I kept out of the discussion but it seems that some entity with some parts in the file objected to its presence on XDA and it had to be taken down. I hope this doesn't mean the end to dev on this as I would love to have my atrix back.
Hopefully it will surface in the underground and be available to underground atrix network.
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But if you look at other Motorola Sections on XDA, non of them had their ICS leaks thread deleted. This smells fishy.
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Morons! They think we are stupid and live inside a bubble.
Maybe Nvidia is hell bent agenst leeks, that would explain why there wernt any leeks for the other tega 2 phones.
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Maybe Nvidia is hell bent agenst leeks, that would explain why there wernt any leeks for the other tega 2 phones.
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There were. For both the LG Optimus 2X and the Galaxy R.
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Veyr strange.
Anyone has a mirror to the leak before it gets deleted ? Thanks !
I think we are not going to win this war. I'm interested in the lg nexus. Looks promising.
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There were. For both the LG Optimus 2X and the Galaxy R.
Sent from that Atrix.
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Ok I missed that, maybe its the coumpany that made the fp reader, or any other component, i doubt that its moto since they usaly dont go this beserk over a leek.
So the plot thickens!
Anyone has a mirror to the leak before it gets deleted ? Thanks !
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It's the internet. By now there are hundreds of copies of that leak floating around. I wouldn't be surprised to find it on torrent.
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Ok I missed that, maybe its the coumpany that made the fp reader, or any other component, i doubt that its moto since they usaly dont go this beserk over a leek.
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Usually a leak happens of an unofficial build that is going to be released officially at some point. This leak made moto look particularly bad because it was a partially finished update that they canned, most likely to get people to upgrade their phones. I find it hard to believe that moto didn't have EVERYTHING to do with the thread being deleted. We need to hope that our xda devs aren't in any real (aka legal) trouble over this.
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I can verify for a FACT that Motorola watches this forum. I have spoken to nvidia executives, when they were toting development atrixes in summer of 2011, they WATCH xda, and occasionally use it;
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If you want me I can find you many posts on XDA threads submitted by very active members with very high number of 'Thanks' that were adamant Motorola didn't read comments on XDA, as if it was a degrading act. I have always suspected these members actually work in the benefit of companies, yes these people can represent multiple companies at same time because these people are actually employed by companies you and I never heard about before. Similar companies have previously been exposed after tweet followers scandal.
Let me summarise Motorola in a short sentence or two. Mexican Drug Cartels conduct business with their customers more professionally than Motorola ever did. Mexican Drug Cartels are brutal to disloyalty whereas Motorola's core business is based on disloyalty.
when in doubt, torrent. go look for it people. it's never gonna go away, since it has already been outed.
That Motorola...
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Let me summarise Motorola in a short sentence or two. Mexican Drug Cartels conduct business with their customers more professionally than Motorola ever did. Mexican Drug Cartels are brutal to disloyalty whereas Motorola's core business is based on disloyalty.
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Reckon that!!
Guys : if for any reason, the development for that rom is banned from xda (which I doubt...you know, democratic freedom), I will be coming up with a forum to host the devs work and discussion right away, if needed.
It would be nice to know what's going on so nobody else gets in trouble. Hiding what is going on, removing threads and deleting leaked ROMs is not the way of XDA.
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Guys : if for any reason, the development for that rom is banned from xda (which I doubt...you know, democratic freedom), I will be coming up with a forum to host the devs work and discussion right away, if needed.
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I really hope we don't have to go that far. but thanks for your offer!
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It would be nice to know what's going on so nobody else gets in trouble. Hiding what is going on, removing threads and deleting leaked ROMs is not the way of XDA.
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Don't blame xda here. Judging by how abrupt and quick this was, I don't think they were asked politely. I'm betting the involved parties got a C&D from motorola. That's why you're not seeing anyone involved in this posting more details.