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So we all know the Real Deal Froyo 2.2 is coming in just a few days away.
Have any of you though of an upgrade path for the installed apps currently running on 2.1?
There's a few ways to go about this:
- Wipe everything & start a'new
- Backup Apps & Settings, then restore it to Froyo
- Backup only Apps but no Settings & re-install everything after Froyo
- Undo the lag fix, flash back to stock ROM, then upgrade to Froyo, and wipe everything in the process.
- Other methods (please provide details)
Personally I'm inclined to #2 but I read people having complications with this process, so I might end up doing it the #3 way, but.... 400+ apps it's a bit crazy to go reinstalling all that, it'll take me probably 2 days to reconfigure all those apps/games
I'm glad i have an AppsBrain account, so i just need to hit Sync and it will re-install all those apps for me, but i still need to set all the settings again... that's going to be a royal pain in the arsenal
I am going with a complete fresh everything. Full factory reset first then format mem cards then upgrade, then factory reset again and maybe even another reformat. Not taking any blinking chances this time!
Also moving from a Gmail account to a Google Apps account so that should be interesting!
Appbrain reinstall
Roll on 2.2
How does Google/Samsung expect the average user to cope with an upgrade? By re-doing everything from scratch?
Appbrain helps but it's still a bit of an annoying process and it re-downloads everything from the net which slows things down. Restoring settings is impossible without rooting and may have problems when going from 2.1-2.2 so that's way out of reach to the average user.
Android seriously needs a better way of handling updates.
Personally I'm already on the JPC Froyo firmware so hopefully the official release is easy to root. Then I can just restore everything with Titanium Backup.
yeah no kidding, they don't even let you save or backup the files via KIES, so that you can restore them later.
in all other mobile phones, BlackBerry, PalmOS, Windows Mobile, Iphone
all of them will automatically create a backup of your stuff inside the phone, before it does the upgrade, so that after the upgrade it will automatically reload all your stuff back into the phone.
In Android we are lacking that, both times i've upgraded from one ROM to another ROM, it forced a full wipe on the phone.
luckily it was from a 2.1 to 2.1 so you can easily restore a back up from Titanium Backup, or any favourite backup Apps of your choice.
but I've read a lot of postings about people having problems when they restore the settings from 2.1 to 2.2
Apparently it's okay to restore all the Apps from 2.1 to 2.2 but you can't really restore the settings as it will crash 2.2
so even being able to restore all 400+ apps, i'll still need to spend countless hours to reconfigure them all
at least that saves me the 800+ clicks to OK install OK accept permission for each of the 400+ apps in my inventory. LOL
I doubt Samsung would keep their wrd on updating galaxys did u know what they did to samsung behold 2,
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just to clarify some misconceptions posted above ....it's not android that has any problems in updating, it's samsung.
i updated my nexus over the air easily without losing any apps settings etc, no need for a format or anything drastic.
it's only because kies does not work that we have to wipe and install via pc on a samsung.
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I doubt Samsung would keep their wrd on updating galaxys did u know what they did to samsung behold 2,
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tell us, we don't know
at least i don't know
tmzbeme said:
just to clarify some misconceptions posted above ....it's not android that has any problems in updating, it's samsung.
i updated my nexus over the air easily without losing any apps settings etc, no need for a format or anything drastic.
it's only because kies does not work that we have to wipe and install via pc on a samsung.
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that's comforting to know... so Samsung is not mature enough on the App+scripting+upgrade side of things
yes Kies does not provide an option to backup/restore the stuff during a firmware upgrade
is there any way to keep all my apps on JPC as i have no idea if titanium backup will work with jpc and wont that mean waiting until the official 2.2 is rooted?
My htc desire went from 2.1 to 2.2 without a hitch. All applications were kept on the device with the new features tacked on.
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gtanny said:
is there any way to keep all my apps on JPC as i have no idea if titanium backup will work with jpc and wont that mean waiting until the official 2.2 is rooted?
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Froyo is rooted already
the official one will be rooted the same way as the alpha/beta that are floating around already
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tell us, we don't know
at least i don't know
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Behold II owners were promised a 2.1 update which went awry so those not willing to risk flashing a non-vendor ROM are stuck with 1.6. It was about that time that Samsung started to concentrate on the Galaxy range of handsets.
Hopefully they won't do the same thing when the SGS II is released...
Odd reading this as when I upgraded from 2.1 to 2.2 JPC totally unintentionally it kept all my data and settings as well as the apps. The problem was that the data was configured to 2.1 and so I got loads of force closes so had to uninstall and reinstall all the apps so it ended up quicker doing a factory reset and starting from scratch.
On my rooted hero I went from custom 2.1 rom did a titanium backup with apps and settings flashed 2.2 downloaded titanium again restored and got everything back with settings.
We need to be allowed to store the ROMs on the phone and use recovery like on rooted phones. I much prefer that way of doing it. we should have the option in instead of risking bricking your phone if your computer crashed. Also have an updated app like with the villainroms much similar.
Looking at the app ak notes I have entries dating back November 16 last year. Wiped rom update was a few months back saving settings brought all the data back when I restored.
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I'll be going for the flashing with Odin method. Kies is a horrible program.
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Just to get things clear. Any update wipe out your data or only to 2.2?
I updated some days ago and didn't lose nothing.
Thanks for informing allgamer
Valeo said:
Behold II owners were promised a 2.1 update which went awry so those not willing to risk flashing a non-vendor ROM are stuck with 1.6. It was about that time that Samsung started to concentrate on the Galaxy range of handsets.
Hopefully they won't do the same thing when the SGS II is released...
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I'm just not thinking about it atm. I have 63 apps :S
As one of the option at the poll says, is it necessary to undo lagfix before flashing? Wouldn't flashing wipe off the 2GB partition?
froyos floating around dont delete your data. but its often recommended to factory reset anyway to avoid troubles. in any case better safe than sorry. titanum backup works in free mode. backup all and copy the titanium backup dir from the phones internal sdcard to the external one or to your pc. youll be glad you did if you ever run into troubles.
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I am hearing some people who removed bloatware got soft bricked and then some are saying they didn't. Is there an official word on this? I removed some of the Samsung bloat because I would never use it.
If there is anyone HERE (on a forum I actually trust) that has updated their Vibrant to J16 after removing bloatware and didn't get a softbrick- then I will update. If not, does anyone have the bloat apks? I'd rather just download and install them all again then have to ODIN.
Never mind
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Never mind what? Does this have anything to do with my question?
I did. I removed a bunch of the programs that came installed wroth the phone, such as mobitv, gogo, the gps program by using Titanium Backup.
I had to reflash mine due to this problem.
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Mine soft bricked and didn't even have bloat removed... all I had was root... no lag fix, nothing...... bricked and recovered in less than ten minutes... you would spend more time downloading and installing the bloat back... and when your device bricks anyways your gonna need odin so just use it or leave your phone alone...
I'm hardware blocked from accessing Recovery and Download so I'm trying not to softbrick my phone at all. Not because I don't want to use ODIN but because I do not wanna risk my phone being inoperable.
I was rooted and removed ALL of the Samsung crapware, and yes my phone bricked as a result of the OTA. I was able to flash JI6 via ODIN and everything is working again.
After the OTA, my Vibrant was stuck at the Samsung Vibrant screen.
Would I be able to do all of that through ADB? I'm hardware locked. Not only that, ODIN won't recognize my device!
Yes I removed a lot of bloat and still updated fine through Odin.
Btw, there is now a fix for hardware locked phones. I tried it last night and now my phone can access download and recovery through the vol buttons. Go ahead and get adb set up though--you'll need it to remove the hardware lock.
If Odin isn't working for you, (1) do you have the Samsung phone drivers, and (2) what version of Odin are you using?
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Yeah I removed a bunch of stuff that I didn't user using titanium and I was also using the one click roote and I updated fine using odin.
Just a question, why would people want to remove these applications? does it have something to do with the battery life? or to have more memory for more applications?
It was kind of superfluous in my case since I have more app space than I'll ever need.
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Just a question, why would people want to remove these applications? does it have something to do with the battery life? or to have more memory for more applications?
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Because I know I'll never use them and they take up space in the app menu as well as the memory, also a bunch of them start themselves and take up processing power, like the Tel-Nav GPS app.
I rooted then unrooted, can someone explain what exactly Odin is doing and why people's phones are getting bricked? I don't really want to flash a rom or something if that's what Odin is doing. My goal is to keep everything stock minus the bloatware apps.
richiehd said:
If there is anyone HERE (on a forum I actually trust) that has updated their Vibrant to J16 after removing bloatware and didn't get a softbrick- then I will update. If not, does anyone have the bloat apks? I'd rather just download and install them all again then have to ODIN.
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I have updated my Vibrant successfully without any bricks having removed bloatware each time before each upgrade.
I was always stock since I got the phone on release date. Now until JI5 came out, I had never decided to update the phone. When I updated to JI5 on the same day that was leaked, I did so via ODIN and had all the bloatware apps removed (TeleNav, GoGo, Slacker, etc).
When JI6 was leaked, I had done the same process again as above. I already had the bloatware removed before and once again after updating when it all came back.
When the official OTA JI6 came out, I waited a few days but flashed that over the leaked JI6 update without any issues once again via ODIN. I did the same thing again, had removed bloatware prior and again after. I honestly did not believe there was any difference in either prior nor do I see so after. Especially by file size or any fixes that weren't already in the leaked one.
This was just my experience and having removed the bloatware apps and not getting bricked. I never once applied any other modifications either (such as the battery ones, etc).
I did have 2 lag fixes applied (not at the same time) when I was on stock. The first one with terminal commands from a post here on the forums which was removed when I decided to try out One Click Lag Fix which was then removed before I flashed JI5. I have yet to apply a lag fix again with JI5 or JI6, nor will I be anytime soon I think either.
When you say everything is working again, did your bloatware come back? ARe you able to remove it if it did? For some reason I cannot remove the bloatware when it came back.
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Woops, I meant to ask J3ST3RM4A3 this.
but has anyone seen this problem? after going to JI6 the bloat comes back and is not removable?
and if you did remove bloat, with what? ADB? Root explorer? Astro? Titanium? None of these worked for me
i purchased root explorer after i updated to JI6, it seems like such an useful app.
that allowed me to remove all the bloatware after the update.
i updated via KIES mini not OTA (i heard too much **** happened to people who did it the OTA way)
so when you delete your bloatware, they would just pop back? Cause i had that issue prior to updating root explorer. After i updated root explorer (purchasing the latest) i was able to successfully remove the bloat
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I am hearing some people who removed bloatware got soft bricked and then some are saying they didn't. Is there an official word on this? I removed some of the Samsung bloat because I would never use it.
If there is anyone HERE (on a forum I actually trust) that has updated their Vibrant to J16 after removing bloatware and didn't get a softbrick- then I will update. If not, does anyone have the bloat apks? I'd rather just download and install them all again then have to ODIN.
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I had bloat removed prior to JI6. I did step 2 of this and had no trouble whatsoever.
Same. I soft bricked with the OTA update but Odin worked fine. I've heard there may be an issue with leaving the update.zip on your phone while you try to update.
I know there will be (or have been) a slew of posts on *approximately* this topic, but let me ask this outright for the most nooby among us (myself included).
I have not rooted, not altered my phone in any way excepting installing DK28 with update.zip. What is the easiest way to revert to DL18 in order to get the OTA update to froyo, hopefully losing as little data/apps as possible?
Is it Odin? I would prefer to just flash another update.zip if at all possible. I heard that it's possible to revert in this way if you flash the modem separately.
Anyway, can someone post a link of step-by-step directions on how to do this with Odin if that's the easiest way, or by flashing update.zip if at all possible?
Thanks! And hopefully other incompetent but eager DK28 adopters can benefit from this thread.
Odins your best bet luckily 2.2 backs up your apps on its own...well back up is a bad way to put it. Just reinstalls them after a wipe. Data always makes me laugh a bit, contacts and emails are in the cloud unless you sync exchange and remove the mail from the server. Other than that I can't think of data that's not on the sdcard that's wrth keeping. The other route is titanium backup, it gets data too.
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Here ya go my friend. Courtesy of randyshear. Very easy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMibd__aSaQ
I have titanium backup, how would i get back the info that is saved if i went back to stock. Would i go back stock, then reroute, then some how recover the info after getting the OTA update?
Excuse my noobishness please,
The Atrix is my first android phone. (Finally got bored of the iPhone).
I was looking at installing GreyBlur. Currently I'm on a rooted 1.8.3 (used afterroot.bat/gladroot).
My question is:
If installing GreyBlur using CWM, does it affect any of my existing data on the phone's internal storage, SD card, etc?
Would I be reinstalling apps and losing messages, etc, or does it retain everything?
Thank you!
No worries!
It should retain all of your data, music, etc. It's a pretty simple process.
My only advice: if you're switching to a different P-ROM (like from GingerBlur to GladAtrix), reflash your phone with RSD. I went from GingerBlur to GladAtrix and had tons of problems.
drumercalzone09 said:
No worries!
It should retain all of your data, music, etc. It's a pretty simple process.
My only advice: if you're switching to a different P-ROM (like from GingerBlur to GladAtrix), reflash your phone with RSD. I went from GingerBlur to GladAtrix and had tons of problems.
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Awesome!
I'm probably going to stick with one PROM for now. If I was to reflash using RSD to switch over to a different rom, what's the deal with existing data?
Also, I know these roms are deodexed, and that causes an issue with receiving OTA updates. Assuming Motorola releases a new update sometime soon, how would I go about flashing to the updated firmware while retaining my information, or is it not possible?
I believe I had to use SBF recovery or something?
Thanks!
silentecho13 said:
Awesome!
I'm probably going to stick with one PROM for now. If I was to reflash using RSD to switch over to a different rom, what's the deal with existing data?
Also, I know these roms are deodexed, and that causes an issue with receiving OTA updates. Assuming Motorola releases a new update sometime soon, how would I go about flashing to the updated firmware while retaining my information, or is it not possible?
I believe I had to use SBF recovery or something?
Thanks!
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When you flash an sbf, your data and info will be reset so make sure to do a complete backup before flashing an sbf file.
As far as OTA updates go, I'm not well versed but I believe it is recommended to do a fresh sbf -> update OTA -> then install whatever P-ROM.
I THINK, devs are pretty quick about releasing the latest update though so you might just be able to flash from old P-ROM to update P-ROM ? again, just my assumptions.
k00ey said:
When you flash an sbf, your data and info will be reset so make sure to do a complete backup before flashing an sbf file.
As far as OTA updates go, I'm not well versed but I believe it is recommended to do a fresh sbf -> update OTA -> then install whatever P-ROM.
I THINK, devs are pretty quick about releasing the latest update though so you might just be able to flash from old P-ROM to update P-ROM ? again, just my assumptions.
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Option 2 sounds pretty damn convenient lol.
backup
k00ey said:
When you flash an sbf, your data and info will be reset so make sure to do a complete backup before flashing an sbf file.
As far as OTA updates go, I'm not well versed but I believe it is recommended to do a fresh sbf -> update OTA -> then install whatever P-ROM.
I THINK, devs are pretty quick about releasing the latest update though so you might just be able to flash from old P-ROM to update P-ROM ? again, just my assumptions.
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I was just wondering what people always mean by 'complete backup'.
What I do is I backup my sd / ext-sd and also all the user apps/data with TitaniumBackup.
But is there a way to create a full image of the system to be able to recover it with CWM?
If yes, how?
Thanks
redThd said:
I was just wondering what people always mean by 'complete backup'.
What I do is I backup my sd / ext-sd and also all the user apps/data with TitaniumBackup.
But is there a way to create a full image of the system to be able to recover it with CWM?
If yes, how?
Thanks
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I'd like to know this as well before I even attempt to install any custom ROM.
So I originally rooted using SuperOneClick, then I got an OTA that broke root. I then found gingerbreak and rooted using that method. I have done a few cool things, like change the boot animation and lock/unlock sounds, enabled sideloading, etc.
Anyway...
With rumors and speculation about Gingerbread coming out in the coming months (hopefully), I am wondering if the boot animations, lock sounds, and/or SuperUser access will deny the OTA from installing. Is it a good idea to return the ROM to stock to avoid any bugs?
Second,
Specifically on the Atrix, if I performed a factory reset, I assume I won't lose root access, but would I lose the boot animations, and lock/unlock sounds? Let's say I wanted to return it to a 100% stock ROM (un-root, stock boot animation, EVERYTHING) before the 2.3 update comes, how would I do it? I feel as though if I perform an OTA with the mods I've done to it, some unknown bugs/issues would appear (I've seen PLENTY of bugs as is). Can anyone shed some light on this? Call me paranoid, but I've seen too many software issues with this phone, and I'm hoping 2.3 will address them, and I hope I don't introduce any new bugs by updating a modded phone.
You should definitely go back to stock. I doubt that you'll even be prompted if you're rooted, so you won't get the update to Gingerbread. Instructions to return to stock can be found on Motorola's website, by Googling, or from Android Central.
If I do a hard reset using Android Recovery, will that effectively unroot and restore EVERYTHING to the factory image? I know if I do a soft reset through the OS, I will still have root access. I realize I can just unroot using SOC, but there have been issues where busybox is still installed along with the superuser icon, even though the phone doesn't have root access. I just want a clean slate.
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If I do a hard reset using Android Recovery, will that effectively unroot and restore EVERYTHING to the factory image? I know if I do a soft reset through the OS, I will still have root access. I realize I can just unroot using SOC, but there have been issues where busybox is still installed along with the superuser icon, even though the phone doesn't have root access. I just want a clean slate.
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Try this.
Motorola
brewstermax said:
Try this.
Motorola
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I have 4.1.83, and this will not work for it.
I would be interested in learning more about this too
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This is a thread I commented on over at the Motorola forums. I actually got the forum manager to comment on the issue:
"rytymu
What do I do if I'm on 4.1.83 and want to return to stock (rooted)? The software given just says my device is up to date...
Mark (Forums Manager)
With next update/upgrade you will go up to next stock version. You have to
wait til then.
rytymu
So if I understand right:
I most likely will not get an OTA notification because of the root access, so when I run the Motorola Software Update program after the next update comes out, it will then flash a 100% stock image as if I just pulled it out of the box? This includes removing/wiping busybox, root access, boot animations, and EVERYTHING else?
Mark (Forums Manager)
If you are on 4.1.83 but modded you will get ota notification but will
likely fail on install. If MSU is made available you can update /upgrade to
that version. Root and other sideloaded things will be removed. Stock ATRIX
Att software. Not AOSP Android."
I guess this is what I'm looking for, unless someone interprets otherwise...
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You should definitely go back to stock. I doubt that you'll even be prompted if you're rooted, so you won't get the update to Gingerbread. Instructions to return to stock can be found on Motorola's website, by Googling, or from Android Central.
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OTA update should be fine if you have not deleted any of the original Moto files/bloatware, or leave any of the original Moto bloatware frozen. The updates only throw up at you when there are missing or frozen Moto apps and/or files.
If you are on 4.1.83, (or any firmware), and rooted only, you will get the update fine, but will lose root.
If you have flashed for example GladiAtrix, you will more than likely have to flash back to stock first.
If you have rooted on any version and then frozen any apps, thaw those apps and you will update fine, but again lose root.
Every time you update you lose root.
So I have frozen all bloat, but I did uninstall swype and reinstall a newer version. Is this going to be a problem for the next ota? Am I going to have to do a fresh sbf flash or is there a way to reinstall the stock version of swype? I'm not sure I still even have that file...
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So I have frozen all bloat, but I did uninstall swype and reinstall a newer version. Is this going to be a problem for the next ota? Am I going to have to do a fresh sbf flash or is there a way to reinstall the stock version of swype? I'm not sure I still even have that file...
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If you installed a newer version of the same Swype, this should I imagine be the same as updating Swype. I'm thinking this would allow you to just unfreeze all the bloatware and update OTA. Only thing I can think of is that you try the OTA when it's available, and if it balks at you, flash back to stock.
I just followed another thread on XDA, and flashed to 1.26. After about 40 minutes, I had a fresh install. I then did a factory reset, as I was told that some user data and caches aren't touched by flashing (?). I did it just for good measure. I then went into the menu and updated to 4.1.57. I was tipped off (in an above post, actually) about some Motorola Softare Update program that will flash you from 4.1.57 to 4.1.83. The forum manager at Motorola instructed to do this to basiclly restore your phone if you had modified it (to clear the OTA check). Again, just for good measure, I used this to flash from 4.1.57 to 4.1.83 to be 100% sure I had a bone-stock phone.
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I just followed another thread on XDA, and flashed to 1.26. After about 40 minutes, I had a fresh install. I then did a factory reset, as I was told that some user data and caches aren't touched by flashing (?). I did it just for good measure. I then went into the menu and updated to 4.1.57. Now, I'm actually in the "soak" beta feedback over at the motorola forums, and I was tipped off (in an above post, actually) about some Motorola Softare Update program that will flash you from 4.1.57 to 4.1.83. The forum manager instructed to do this to basiclly restore your phone if you had modified it (to clear the OTA check). Again, just for good measure, I used this to flash from 4.1.57 to 4.1.83 to be 100% sure I had a bone-stock phone.
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The Moto Software Update is not needed, and Mark, or whoever over on the Moto forums did not "tip" you off to this. This is no secret, and is well known. (BTW, you are breaking the NDA just by saying you are in beta, (soak feedback forums are down in any event as they are always taken down between betas), but that's another story, and being in beta doesn't make you more knowledgeable either).
You have made this sound more complex than it is.
To go back to stock (and the instructions are all over the forums BTW) --->
Flash 4.1.26, OTA to 4.1.57, OTA to 4.1.83!..............Done!
Or ------------>
Flash 4.1.57 sbf, OTA to 4.1.83!..................Done!
People who were having the OTA notification issues, (continually popping up), were those who flashed the 4.1.83 sbf which is floating around, and that's why they were told to flash 4.1.83 through the Moto Update portal.
(Edited above statement)
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