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HTC reports 32gb microSDHC 2.0 as supported, which *should* allow contiguous fat 32, but some have claimed the phone itself can only format the first (presumed) 16gb.
Further, there is *nothing* released regarding architecture (i.e. SPI and/or 4 bit modes, voltage, min/max read/write speeds, 'n such). Not even which class *may* exceed their capabilities.
Am I the only one upset over this lack of disclosure, or have we all been lulled into submission by this great new device? and, oh, yes, it is kinda great... but I digress.
I need engineering details specific to the HTC Droid Incredible, beyond the marketing strategies and press releases, if anybody's got 'em yet. Much appreciated ...
Not to be so negative or cynical but what are you going to build a phone? Are you trying to get attention? Please explain in detail what you need this info for I am really interested and if its for ANDROID then I won't ask you to move your post. But if this has nothing to do with ANDROID then please do not post in here. Read the title of the section it says Droid Incredible ANDROID development not Droid Incredible Development. Last I checked SD card readers are not specific to Android. There is a general section where this could go and live in peace.
That was incredibly hostile.
I think that this is a perfectly valid question, even given that it's in the Development forum.
Maybe Developing a workaround is not to be considered development?
Maybe it just requires some modifications to the related kernel module? In my opinion, that has a lot to do with ANDROID the operating system that you so vehemently barked at him about.
Not to be so negative or cynical but what are you going to build a phone?
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Think about what you just said, and think about where we are. There was no need for your remark.
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1. Not to be so negative or cynical but what are you going to build a phone? Are you trying to get attention?
2. Please explain in detail what you need this info for I am really interested and if its for ANDROID then I won't ask you to move your post. But if this has nothing to do with ANDROID then please do not post in here.
3. Read the title of the section it says Droid Incredible ANDROID development not Droid Incredible Development.
4. Last I checked SD card readers are not specific to Android. There is a general section where this could go and live in peace.
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1. We had nine phones at my last count, two of which are Increds, of which mine is reportedly 13th sold locally, so... no, I've no desire to build a phone. And, to 'show off' via the 'net is *almost* as stupid as arguing needlessly w/in forums.
2. Uhmm...No; I'd tell you why, but then they'd kill us both.
(Just kidding) But, anybody that wishes to develop for the droid OS on this Incred I' m poking' the virtual keys on *should* have enough creative thought w/in to think of many reasons: This post is exactly where it belongs.
3. Answered above. But, further, perhaps you should consider my questions nearly so well as I review forum hierarchies prior to posting them.
4. Uhmm.. remove the cover carefully, and you should find the exact same slot w/in your Incred as I'm considering w/in mine. Now, beyond using cables, there are a number of wireless methods that make cards inserted there accessible...
But, my questions remain: What speeds are consistently available for microSDHC read and write in the HTC Android Incredible, and under which conditions were they measured? Is this device capable of SPI and/or 4 bit mode(s)? Can this device format the full 32gb internally, and is the entire volume available?
Now, if you have the answers, I'm anxiously awaiting your response. And, if you don't have the answers, remember that I don't either; just gettin' started here. Either way? Kindly quit peein' all over my post
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snipped.... I think that this is a perfectly valid question, even given that it's in the Development forum.
Maybe Developing a workaround ...snipped... just requires some modifications to the related kernel module? In my opinion, that has a lot to do with ANDROID the operating system ...snipped
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I'm brand new to this current flavor of OS, beyond following along conceptually, but you're thinkin' about the relationship between devices and the OS/Apps developed to operate/run 'em in the right way ...
I usually get the cheapest tires that will serve my needs, 'cause I'm poor as the dirt I drive on, but wouldn't it be wisest to select a speed/load rating that barely exceeds the limits of the vehicle, and a size/pattern that suits the driving conditions?
Not the best analogy, but ... continuing w/ it anyhow:
If you were really hopin' to tweak performance, then you'd need all the details you could get, like suspension design and torque 'n such.
Not that I'm focused on gaining root, but I suspect the answer would be most easily discovered by those w/ the greatest understanding of exactly what the Snapdragon can do w/in the architecture of the Incred, and every possible detail about Droid 2.1 Linux kernel.
And, the answers to my questions may prove most important to them, too
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Think about what you just said, and think about where we are. There was no need for your remark.
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microsd speed (htc support)
Official position is that class 2 devices are guaranteed, but that the HTC Droid Incredible may exceed class 4 ... no specific details are provided to techs beyond this statement, but response time was INCREDibly fast.
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But, my questions remain: What speeds are consistently available for microSDHC read and write in the HTC Android Incredible, and under which conditions were they measured? Is this device capable of SPI and/or 4 bit mode(s)? Can this device format the full 32gb internally, and is the entire volume available?
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The HTC website lists the external expansion as:
Expansion Slot
microSD™ memory card (SD 2.0 compatible)
Up to 32 GB card support. No pre-installed card.
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Of course, Verizon is distributing the phone with a 2gb card.
The SD 2.0 standard is listed as (Not on HTC's site):
SD 2.0 offers FAT32 formatting as well as a maximum capacity of 32GB - sizes of 4GB and above are not compatible with existing SD 1.0/1.1 standards. Any SD card that are 4GB and above in capacity will be dubbed SD High Capacity (SDHC), although the transfer rates of the new format maxes out at a paltry 6MB/s.
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The classes that are available and supported are defined by the SD Association which defines them as:
Speed Class 2 guarantees a minimum transfer speed of 2 mega bytes per second (MB/s)
Speed Class 4 guarantees a minimum transfer speed of 4 MB/s
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So since HTC has stated the device supports SD 2.0, it is already saying it supports the related standards so it supports up to the defined Class 6 speeds of 6 MB/s which is defined by the standard. That is most likely the only answer you will end up with unless an independent lab does tests and releases that info. I'm sure HTC isn't going to bother defining it more than it simply being SD 2.0 compatible. Not sure I've seen any other mfg do so.
You of course end up with a can of worms with regards to the "source" of the cards you buy, whether they are in fact what they are labeled as etc... There is a lot of forged and fraudulent cards out there.
BTW, up to 32GB support does not mean the device can format that.... just that it supports it. That would be one continuous Fat32 block of space sans the amount you lose when you format any memory device. Not having had the chance to play with one, I'm not sure what that total would be, but I'm sure it is calculable.
Just keep in mind that Class Ratings = Write Speeds. Read Speeds varies by the SD controller card and by the phone's processor. Also I tend to stick with brands more than class ratings and SanDisk has always treated me well whether it's been MicroSDHC Cards or Duo Pro Memory Sticks. Sometimes Kingston's cards are cheaper with more or less the same results. I need to leave the house now but I will post more tonight on the subject if someone doesn't beat me to it =p.
Excellent points, and thank you for your input. Although I follow your logic, I'm not entirely certain that HTC's claim to "support" 2.0 requires they read/write @ full speed.
In regard to card org's standards? I can't afford the required fee to gain access to complete specifications (playin' by the rules can be frustrating, in that I know *exactly* where the pdf I wish most to read resides).
In regard to card quality/performance? I've bookmarked a few programmers' comments, remembering one who discovered a transcend card's failure to properly respond to SPI mode access, despite claiming full compliance.
An aging but still excellent comparison of many SD/sdhc cards w/in a specific NIKON camera is with lookin' at:
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/camera_multi_page.asp?cid=6007-9597
I've played w/ a few benchmark tools, but have not found comfort in their findings when measuring two Increds (one w/ microSD, the other w/o) under various, but identical, scenarios. I may have to temporarily focus on building a different app, if I can' t find another way to compile the data req'd.
God knows I can't afford to buy one of each card, just to figure all this out.
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Just keep in mind that Class Ratings = Write Speeds. Read Speeds varies by the SD controller card and by the phone's processor. Also I tend to stick with brands more than class ratings and SanDisk has always treated me well whether it's been MicroSDHC Cards or Duo Pro Memory Sticks. Sometimes Kingston's cards are cheaper with more or less the same results ...(snipped)
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Thanks, and so very true ... I've already seen wild variances that seem to depend more upon sizes of file(s) and buffer settings than class ratings. In fact, some slower cards have seemed to outperform their betters under certain conditions, presuming benchmark results prove to be accurate.
Speaking of those memory stick pro duos? I bought all but the last one in stock from each of several local clearance stores (for literally pennies in some cases), w/ the intention of stacking under SPI mode. Still haven't gotten around to it, but our Sony's haven't req'd us to delete pictures for a very long time
For "bang for your buck", I would recommend this SanDisk 16GB MicroSDHC. This is probably the one I will be buying myself, so if you want to wait a week I can give you guys real Incredible performance details. However, be warned that it is a Class 2 device. It seems to have been designed with phones in mind (and specifically mentions working well on HTC devices). Saves you a few $ by not including an SD adapter or USB reader. I was impressed by the speeds noted by the user in their PC configuration, but of course I will keep an eye out for better deals and any proven information.
In some scenarios, I've seen a class 2 sandisk perform better than a class 6 dane-elec, but I'm thinking a bit forward about all this ... lookin' to run (or, at minimum, support) app(s) from the card. And, there may be a few more tricks comin' soon.
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haha yeah I read the colour cycling post shortly after I posted this and figured it was you
Didnt find it via google, found it via the Dell website via their dell venue pro hashtag which popped up your tweeted complaints plus several others. Not a good sign at all. Hope they will not be selling the same units to us when they become available without addressing the problems, if the delays are a result of addressing the problems they should at least say so.
Even then, I need a phone of my own for development soon. Will have to give up my current one to another developer shortly, hell this is starting to become a very costly platform to buy into since I may have to buy a "stopgap" phone I don't really want i.e. LG quantum if these shortages persist.
Efjay I wasn't trying to spread FUD, rather his is the first detailed post of his experiences on a non-vapourware phone and i'd consider it requisite reading for anyone wishing to make an informed decision.
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Not sure whats going on, how did this become the first post in this thread?
dotnetnate.com/2010/11/why-windows-phone-7-will-fail-and-i-might-finally-break-down-and-get-an-iphone/
God...people read that thing? pfft...how'd that get on Google so fast?
So this person's impatience and incompetence means that WP7 is a failure?
Can't argue with that logic.
Whats worse is this is the second forum this has been posted in by the same poster that I know of, who knows how many more. Looks like someone's trying to spread the FUD!!!
Actually, I'm feeling a bit clairvoyant myself, here's my prediction - tonight will be dark, tomorrow the sky will be bright in some places and others not so much! Bow down before my awesome future-seeing powers!!!!
I have not heard of the Venue Pro going into the death reboot spiral...
The 'Engineering Sample' issue was pretty covered the day of launch and I believe it was a mistake on their part.
For me, a 16GB phone would be fine, as I really don't use my phone as a media device. I use my phone for internet, email, SMS/MMS and calls.
I would worry about battery life anyway with me using the web a TON on a daily basis and responding to many emails/SMS messages.
Let's see what happens when these are officially put on sale and people start getting them in their hands...
There are some parts of the above blog post though that I do agree with....having your brand new OS on a hardware platform that is about a year old (1ghz Snapdragon proc) is not the best business.
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So this person's impatience and incompetence means that WP7 is a failure?
Can't argue with that logic.
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Yeah, the fact that I can read and understand what I AM allowed to do based on the terms of of a contract is a *****.
Maybe you should try selling this POS to customers. While yes, Dell royally [email protected]#)('d up - the fact is, MS is to blame for the storage problem. Period. It's not in any way, shape or form a consumer device given the approach they took and as someone who sells technology, specifically MS tech, to clients - guess what - I'm advising them to still the hell clear of WP7 until they actually engineer it properly to have broad appeal. Or would you like me to also get quotes from others at MS that have to evangelize this crap who also think it's a load of BS as well?
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I have not heard of the Venue Pro going into the death reboot spiral...
The 'Engineering Sample' issue was pretty covered the day of launch and I believe it was a mistake on their part.
For me, a 16GB phone would be fine, as I really don't use my phone as a media device. I use my phone for internet, email, SMS/MMS and calls.
I would worry about battery life anyway with me using the web a TON on a daily basis and responding to many emails/SMS messages.
Let's see what happens when these are officially put on sale and people start getting them in their hands...
There are some parts of the above blog post though that I do agree with....having your brand new OS on a hardware platform that is about a year old (1ghz Snapdragon proc) is not the best business.
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The first unit I received, the one that went back to the store, was not an engineering sample. Someone mentioned that I should've written down the revision numbers...but I also had none of the other problems the engineering samples had, e.g. I could connect just fine to my secure wi-fi network. Two types of devices went out, contrary to Dell's public statement. All Dell is claiming is that batteries were mislabled but there are two distinct sets of behaviors, i.e. one is the 'proper' version of the hardware and the other isn't.
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Yeah, the fact that I can read and understand what I AM allowed to do based on the terms of of a contract is a *****.
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You can hit your phone over and over with a hammer if you want according to the contract, it doesn't mean you aren't stupid for doing it.
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Maybe you should try selling this POS to customers. While yes, Dell royally [email protected]#)('d up - the fact is, MS is to blame for the storage problem. Period.
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What storage problem? The one where Microsoft explained what the criteria is for an acceptable card, or the part where they said that they were working with SD card makers to get the proper information on the packaging to let the users know if the card was acceptable to use in the device?
What you did was impatient. You performed an unsupported procedure on a undeveloped feature using a substandard card, then proceeded to blame everyone but yourself. The Venue has plenty of flaws, sure, but I'm not sure what you experienced is anyone's fault but yours.
PROTIP: When modifying hardware on your device, especially hardware noted by the manufacturer to be unmodifiable, unintended issues may arise.
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What storage problem? The one where Microsoft explained what the criteria is for an acceptable card, or the part where they said that they were working with SD card makers to get the proper information on the packaging to let the users know if the card was acceptable to use in the device?
What you did was impatient. You performed an unsupported procedure on a undeveloped feature using a substandard card, then proceeded to blame everyone but yourself. The Venue has plenty of flaws, sure, but I'm not sure what you experienced is anyone's fault but yours.
PROTIP: When modifying hardware on your device, especially hardware noted by the manufacturer to be unmodifiable, unintended issues may arise.
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Either I didn't clarify it or you didn't read it...but MSFT is claiming, in their stores, that it breaks the warranty if you replace what it shipped with with ANY card - even certified ones. They stated that the Focus is the only one that can have its storage swapped out. So in other words, when those shiny new "Certified" logos get put on the cards - they're useless outside of the focus. So yes - it's absolutely MSFT's fault for going with a storage scheme that is this destructive and allowing devices with such minimal (non-replaceable!) storage to even be on the shelves.
It's not impatient - it's realistic. If a mfg doesn't want someone to change something, to the point where the change is truly catastrophic to the device, then they'd damn well better put a lot more labeling what MOST intelligent people look to modify, although I'd hardly call this a modification. Further - it was working just fine and I'm apparently not the only one to experience power cycling, mine just never recovered from it.
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Either I didn't clarify it or you didn't read it...but MSFT is claiming, in their stores, that it breaks the warranty if you replace what it shipped with with ANY card - even certified ones. They stated that the Focus is the only one that can have its storage swapped out. So in other words, when those shiny new "Certified" logos get put on the cards - they're useless outside of the focus. So yes - it's absolutely MSFT's fault for going with a storage scheme that is this destructive and allowing devices with such minimal (non-replaceable!) storage to even be on the shelves.
It's not impatient - it's realistic. If a mfg doesn't want someone to change something, to the point where the change is truly catastrophic to the device, then they'd damn well better put a lot more labeling what MOST intelligent people look to modify, although I'd hardly call this a modification. Further - it was working just fine and I'm apparently not the only one to experience power cycling, mine just never recovered from it.
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Most people buy the device they want in the first place and DONT go rooting in the innards of their device looking for storage card slots when the device clearly does not have one visible or other ways to unofficialy upgrade their device. The fact that you made the choice to swap the card is not MS's fault, they made their position clear on swapping storage cards, and the card in the Dell is obviously not intended to be swappable, the manufacturer made the effort to hide the card from being visible irrespective of what methods they used, and you made the choice to buy a device with insufficient storage and decided to add storage in an unsupported way. Cant see where your storage card complaint has any merit.
Whether MS's way of implementing storage card integration is correct or not is a separate issue, so are the inevitable bugs in any piece of software as there are in WP7, but for the storage card complaint if you go out of your way to use a device in a way for which it was not intended you cant blame anyone but yourself.
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God...people read that thing? pfft...how'd that get on Google so fast?
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haha yeah I read the colour cycling post shortly after I posted this and figured it was you
Didnt find it via google, found it via the Dell website via their dell venue pro hashtag which popped up your tweeted complaints plus several others. Not a good sign at all. Hope they will not be selling the same units to us when they become available without addressing the problems, if the delays are a result of addressing the problems they should at least say so.
Even then, I need a phone of my own for development soon. Will have to give up my current one to another developer shortly, hell this is starting to become a very costly platform to buy into since I may have to buy a "stopgap" phone I don't really want i.e. LG quantum if these shortages persist.
Efjay I wasn't trying to spread FUD, rather his is the first detailed post of his experiences on a non-vapourware phone and i'd consider it requisite reading for anyone wishing to make an informed decision.
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Either I didn't clarify it or you didn't read it...but MSFT is claiming, in their stores, that it breaks the warranty if you replace what it shipped with with ANY card - even certified ones. They stated that the Focus is the only one that can have its storage swapped out. So in other words, when those shiny new "Certified" logos get put on the cards - they're useless outside of the focus. So yes - it's absolutely MSFT's fault for going with a storage scheme that is this destructive and allowing devices with such minimal (non-replaceable!) storage to even be on the shelves.
It's not impatient - it's realistic. If a mfg doesn't want someone to change something, to the point where the change is truly catastrophic to the device, then they'd damn well better put a lot more labeling what MOST intelligent people look to modify, although I'd hardly call this a modification. Further - it was working just fine and I'm apparently not the only one to experience power cycling, mine just never recovered from it.
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Why did you buy this phone in the first place? Your biggest gripe is the lack of storage space on the phone. Okay, fine. 8GB is probably not enough to store all my MP3/Videos/misc....
However you knew going into the purchase that 8GB was all you were getting. I'm pretty sure that you did not know that it had an easily accessible MSD slot. Reports of the MSD slot did not start coming out until 11/9... as in your blog post. You purchased your device on 11/8 as seen on your Twitter.
I purchased it on 11/8 at the Scottsdale MSFT store. I hate to break it to you, but it's not exactly rocket science to pull the battery out and look for where a microSD card would be. I had that sticker off and the card pulled within about 5 minutes of having it in the car. My apologies for not posting it to the world, but if that's exceptionally difficult to imagine how one could do such a thing without someone else writing about it first, perhaps you shouldn't be critiquing my actions. The only delay between me purchasing it and running into problems was the shipping date on the initial 32GB card.
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Really? You're saying that on this forum? Have you even SEEN the sticker? It has no text on it...it has nothing. There's nothing to distinguish it from something that could've been put there just to hold it in over a OMGYOURPHONEISGONNADIE sticker.
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The fact that you made the choice to swap the card is not MS's fault, they made their position clear on swapping storage cards, and the card in the Dell is obviously not intended to be swappable the manufacturer made the effort to hide the card from being visible irrespective of what methods they used
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You really don't have any concept of contracts... unless something is stated that it will in fact void the warranty, the warranty is in tact. Don't piss on me over bad lawyering on Dell's part. If anything, you should be thanking people that are griping about this to get it changed.
Cant see where your storage card complaint has any merit.
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That they claim I voided a warranty is where it has merit. Again, L2Contract. I did nothing in violation of the warranty. There was no warning that removing the sticker or the card itself violated the warranty - that's really the end of the story. At BEST you could argue that there's a very minor warning at the end of the manual...I mean, dead on the back of it, that mentions that it may make the phone unusable - but again, nothing that mentions that it's a violation of a warranty. Beyond that, even MS' KB article are MUCH less dire than that and are pretty much summed up as 'you might lose some data'.
Whether MS's way of implementing storage card integration is correct or not is a separate issue
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Yes - it is. However MS is not 'separate' in this case - they were the ones in the store telling me I voided the warranty when 1.) nothing indicates that such an action would and 2.) They're not the warranty holders.
you go out of your way to use a device in a way for which it was not intended you cant blame anyone but yourself.
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Yeah, I went reeeeeeeally far out of my way. You know...looking in the same place I'd look in other phones for SD slots, e.g. my HD2 and seeing what was pretty obviously one...yeah, that took some brainpower.
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Really? You're saying that on this forum? Have you even SEEN the sticker? It has no text on it...it has nothing. There's nothing to distinguish it from something that could've been put there just to hold it in over a OMGYOURPHONEISGONNADIE sticker.
You really don't have any concept of contracts... unless something is stated that it will in fact void the warranty, the warranty is in tact. Don't piss on me over bad lawyering on Dell's part. If anything, you should be thanking people that are griping about this to get it changed.
That they claim I voided a warranty is where it has merit. Again, L2Contract. I did nothing in violation of the warranty. There was no warning that removing the sticker or the card itself violated the warranty - that's really the end of the story. At BEST you could argue that there's a very minor warning at the end of the manual...I mean, dead on the back of it, that mentions that it may make the phone unusable - but again, nothing that mentions that it's a violation of a warranty. Beyond that, even MS' KB article are MUCH less dire than that and are pretty much summed up as 'you might lose some data'.
Yes - it is. However MS is not 'separate' in this case - they were the ones in the store telling me I voided the warranty when 1.) nothing indicates that such an action would and 2.) They're not the warranty holders.
Yeah, I went reeeeeeeally far out of my way. You know...looking in the same place I'd look in other phones for SD slots, e.g. my HD2 and seeing what was pretty obviously one...yeah, that took some brainpower.
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Man its all this type of crap they probably are delaying the release. To make sure the damned stickers are legible. Joking but kind of serious
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Man its all this type of crap they probably are delaying the release. To make sure the damned stickers are legible. Joking but kind of serious
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Maybe...but I think it'd be more that there are just general hardware problems with the device.
Someone from the MS store contacted me, so I'm trying to see if they can either correct or confirm the associate's story about not even the certified cards being able to be used.
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Really? You're saying that on this forum? Have you even SEEN the sticker? It has no text on it...it has nothing. There's nothing to distinguish it from something that could've been put there just to hold it in over a OMGYOURPHONEISGONNADIE sticker.
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I think thats the whole point, most people are not buying phones and heading to xda to find out where the hidden storage card is, you are obviously not the average user but just because you are more knolwedgeable doesnt change the fact that the storage card was not meant to be accessed and changed, whether by someone with a degree in astrophysics or the milkman and playing the injured consumer and quoting contracts doesnt make your claim any more valid.
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You really don't have any concept of contracts... unless something is stated that it will in fact void the warranty, the warranty is in tact. Don't piss on me over bad lawyering on Dell's part. If anything, you should be thanking people that are griping about this to get it changed.
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I fail to see what contracts have to do with you messing up your phone so badly that you needed to return it.
I also fail to see why Dell is at fault for your botched swap job. I mean, everything you've said so far seems to be a lot of bluster to cover for your own incompetence. Funnily enough, just keeping your failure to yourself would have avoided a lot of this drama.
In summary: Contracts have nothing to do with your lack of skill or forethought into pulling vital components from your phone impulsively on the ride home. You keep bringing up "contracts" like it means anything. You may understand contracts, but you sure don't understand cell phones.
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I think thats the whole point, most people are not buying phones and heading to xda to find out where the hidden storage card is
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I didn't come here to find out where it was. I knew where it was ...see previous post
you are obviously not the average user but just because you are more knolwedgeable doesnt change the fact that the storage card was not meant to be accessed and changed, whether by someone with a degree in astrophysics or the milkman and playing the injured consumer and quoting contracts doesnt make your claim any more valid.
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Well, it absolutely does. If I can engage in a supposed warranty voiding action without notice that said action voids a warranty...it doesn't void the warranty and in fact is not a condition of the warranty. There's no warning on the sticker. There's no text anywhere. I'm really not sure what's difficult to understand about that.
My original question:
Anyone know how is this SD card support on Xoom?
I meant, is it micro SD card, mini or full size?
Is there any hardware slot?
Or is it via USB port?
I don't recall there is hardware slot there to insert SD card when I saw all those "hands on".
Answer from Motorola support can be seen from my update here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11546402&postcount=19
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Anyone know how is this SD card support on Xoom?
I meant, is it micro SD card, mini or full size?
Is there any hardware slot?
Or is it via USB port?
I don't recall there is hardware slot there to insert SD card when I saw all those "hands on".
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All legit androids use microSD, as does the XOOM.
I don't know what you mean by hardware slot.
USB Port? Are you asking how the microSD slot interfaces with the device? Your question is good, because I too have been wondering where the SD Card goes.
http://www.androidcentral.com/motor...ardware-upgrade-4g-software-patch-microsd-use
I am not seeing any mention of SD card slot in the specs or in the user manual. Am I missing it somewhere?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Motorol...rice/1946179.p?id=1218305636450&skuId=1946179
There is a microsd slot at the top of the device. I think i remember seeing it in a hands on video
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There is a microsd slot at the top of the device. I think i remember seeing it in a hands on video
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I saw it in a video but it was not the same model. It had a different color for the back. But it is odd that on Best Buy site the specs show NO for sd slot and no mention of it on Motorola site or user manual. Not sure why this is a big secret since it is a big deal and in fact, deal breaker for me if it is not there.
keitht said:
I saw it in a video but it was not the same model. It had a different color for the back. But it is odd that on Best Buy site the specs show NO for sd slot and no mention of it on Motorola site or user manual. Not sure why this is a big secret since it is a big deal and in fact, deal breaker for me if it is not there.
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I think I remember hearing somewhere around CES that the SD card slot didn't work and was going to be activated by a later patch. What's up with the Xoom being shipped with all kinds of missing functionality?
The BGR hands-on with the Xoom this week mentions the microSD slot is on the top of the device, along with the headphone jack and SIM slot (if applicable). There is a microSD slot on the device. It's been mentioned several times that it will require a software update from Moto to activate it - it's not clear whether that's a Google issue or a Motorola issue. There has been some speculation that it was because Android 3.0 didn't yet support SD cards at the time the Xoom was being demo'd.
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The BGR hands-on with the Xoom this week mentions the microSD slot is on the top of the device, along with the headphone jack and SIM slot (if applicable). There is a microSD slot on the device. It's been mentioned several times that it will require a software update from Moto to activate it - it's not clear whether that's a Google issue or a Motorola issue. There has been some speculation that it was because Android 3.0 didn't yet support SD cards at the time the Xoom was being demo'd.
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Perhaps that is why it is not mentioned in any of the official specs. Pretty lame for a $800 device. So I wonder if the slot is there, when it will actually work? Very sloppy.
on page 10 of the manual theres a reference to microsd card. as for where it is i remember seeing it on the top of the xoom during hands on videos.
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on page 10 of the manual theres a reference to microsd card. as for where it is i remember seeing it on the top of the xoom during hands on videos.
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Thanks, I missed that:
"Tips & tricks
• Photos and videos are stored on your micro SD
memory card."
I just hope it actually works without waiting for an update. It is odd that Best Buy specs for the device do not mention an SD slot even exists.
Yes. Support WILL come. I would love to know how they are having trouble with something so basic. Based on the Viewsonic G-Tablet labeling internal memory as SD 1 and the SD card as SD 2.. perhaps they are working on a more fluid integration of it. As long as they let me put the 50,000 apps I plan to install on the internal memory similar to App2SD I'm happy for now.
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Perhaps that is why it is not mentioned in any of the official specs. Pretty lame for a $800 device. So I wonder if the slot is there, when it will actually work? Very sloppy.
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I'm not bashing the iPad, but do the expensive iPad WiFi+3G versions support microSD? No, they don't. MicroSD support will come, likely shortly after launch, and 32GB of storage will be enough to tide people over until it does. I'm not worried about it.
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I'm not bashing the iPad, but do the expensive iPad WiFi+3G versions support microSD? No, they don't. MicroSD support will come, likely shortly after launch, and 32GB of storage will be enough to tide people over until it does. I'm not worried about it.
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I don't understand this comparison. If Apple had a MicroSD card on the device, it would most definitely work out of the box.
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I'm not bashing the iPad, but do the expensive iPad WiFi+3G versions support microSD? No, they don't. MicroSD support will come, likely shortly after launch, and 32GB of storage will be enough to tide people over until it does. I'm not worried about it.
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An interesting point. iPad doesn't have the functionality at all and never will based on current devices. You have to decide how much space you want at release, which I find annoying as I always bought the cheapest device.
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I don't understand this comparison. If Apple had a MicroSD card on the device, it would most definitely work out of the box.
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On one hand, I agree, Apple never releases a device unfinished. On the other hand, they accomplish this by taking a long time for a device to come to market, and they are always behind in both specs and features.
Apple has proven the merit of a wholly controlled ecosystem that lends to a more solid device. Many people don't care about specs and advanced features.
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An interesting point. iPad doesn't have the functionality at all and never will based on current devices. You have to decide how much space you want at release, which I find annoying as I always bought the cheapest device.
On one hand, I agree, Apple never releases a device unfinished. On the other hand, they accomplish this by taking a long time for a device to come to market, and they are always behind in both specs and features.
Apple has proven the merit of a wholly controlled ecosystem that lends to a more solid device. Many people don't care about specs and advanced features.
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Apple does take their time and won't rush to just release a product.
I am sure motorola will have a patch ready to go soon if not already. they may have already gotten it done and put on the device.
Being an early adopter of gadgets I understand that sometimes the first release can be a little buggy.
However it bugs me that Motorola did not clarify these issues. No flash and no SD support out of the gate is something that should have been clarified to everyone. I have followed pretty closely the last month and did not realize either of these issues until today.
Having the promise of working features after day 1 is not always a lock as my Galaxy S phone was promised to have an update for flash support and an update to fix the GPS issue yet that has never happened.
i am still buying one on Thursday but will be deciding on the 29th day if I feel I can trust Motorola.
MOTO just wanted to wear the hat of "first to market a honeycomb tablet". Its a race for that hat, with solid patches coming down the pipe pretty quickly.
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An interesting point. iPad doesn't have the functionality at all and never will based on current devices. You have to decide how much space you want at release, which I find annoying as I always bought the cheapest device.
On one hand, I agree, Apple never releases a device unfinished. On the other hand, they accomplish this by taking a long time for a device to come to market, and they are always behind in both specs and features.
Apple has proven the merit of a wholly controlled ecosystem that lends to a more solid device. Many people don't care about specs and advanced features.
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Not sure why we are talking about the Ianything.. But Cut and Paste wasn't initially supported ... enough said.
This has been answered by the Motorola supports:
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/45325?tstart=0
DansDroid wrote:
Yes Sir, received it today. Here are my readings with all of my apps and settings automatically transferred over. Total internal storage is 28.78gb., 698 mb. media, 518 mb. applications and 27.60 gb. available. There is an external sliding door for the external microSD card and SIM tray that will allow for the Verizon 4G LTE card when both are available in a future software upgrade. The external microSD card, when enabled, will support up to 32 gb., as I had thought. --- Dan
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So, apparently, this could be something NEW to Android.
There is only 1 single partition for all apps, media, files, etc.
That's good!
I think I talked about this in a different thread, but the reason for the delay in sd card support is because the sd card will not be mounted/unmounted whenever you plug it into the pc. Which I would prefer. Having my sd card mount and unmount every time I plug it into the pc is annoying.
This is the reason for the delay. Rebuilding the wheel takes some time.
I just wanted to share my testing with all that are upgrading to Yuki-XBmod Mango Rom.
I was experiencing many problems with Mango on my HD2 and it was all associated to my SD card (patriot 16gb C4), although it worked decently in NODO. After doing some research I came across this great thread in XDA (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1150369) and decided to test some cards out for my self to see if I can get WP7 Mango running smoothly on my phone.
So I figured out that in order for the card to perform properly in WP7 you must have good random write speeds. If not, you will experience freeze, lag, random restarts, and overall headaches with WP7.
So, I did some research and found that Best Buy is selling PNY cards that are WP7 compatible.
Then after reading the above mentioned thread, I saw that the sandisk 32gb class 4 had great random speed results, so I decided to test both and my old patriot 16gb C4 to find out which card I would ultimately use as my HD2-WP7 SD card.
Here are the results, click on PDF to see my screen shots: (note all cards were formatted prior to testing)
Patriot Card:
It is obvious that the Patriot Card's random write speeds are ridiculously low, so this card is going to be re-formatted and will replace my 2gb card on my point & shoot camera. It scored great an sequential speeds (good for cameras), but as it is essential for WP7 to have good sequential write and read speeds, this is not a good choice for WP7 Phones.
PNY Card:
This card did very well. Scoring only higher to the Sandisk in sequential and 512K write and slightly higher (almost negligible) in 4k and 4kQD32, in the 1st run.
Sandisk:
This card (in my opinion did best) scoring higher in all read speeds, lagging only in sequential write speeds and 512K yet higher in random write. Being that random clocking is of most importance to WP7, I think that Sandisk 32gb class 4 will be the SD card I choose for my WP7 Windows Phone.
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Both the PNY and Sandisk cards will work great in WP7 Phones, but I chose the Sandisk because it has higher read speeds. So that means once the program or data is loaded it will be able to read it faster. The most important factor for my decision was that the PNY costs 89.99 plus tax at best buy. The sandisk runs for 69.99 and I did a price match with a Comp USA printout and purchased the card for 59.99 plus tax. (30 dollars cheaper)
I highly recommend that anyone who is planning on switching to WP7, test their cards first with Crystal disk. If your random write speed is low, do not install WP7 until you get a better card.
I have also conveniently attached Crystal Disk so that you may test your cards and post the results. Please understand that the test will not work after you have already encrypted your card with WP7.
I disagree actuallly, after testing myself, i dont believe that testing with this software can indicate the speed of the card.
I believe that there are other factors involved that we are un-ware of.
For example, my 16GB sandisk class 2 gave great randoom r/w speeds with this piece of software, but in practice, it was slow, and very buggy.
So i switcheed and bought a 8GB sandisk class 4, which in tests, was actually slower than then 16gb one, but performed perfectly, lightening fast, installing apps in under 30 seconds everytime.
This is why i dont think you can accurately depict the likelyhood of a card working based on these values alone.
You could argue that if its incredibly slow, (less than 0.1mb/s write) then there maybe be some impact on overall performance, but by that time, youve purchased the card anyway!!
Also, cards maybe the same brand, make and model, but that doesnt mean if someone buys that card, it will work for them.
Completely agree with stevemilw
Ive seen posts of people with 32GB Sandisk Class 4 cards that also do not work,
stevemilw, did you ever try using the HD2 as the card reader incase there was an unseen issue with the card reader its self?
OP, i admire your efforts in trying to make sense of this for people but the reality is that its still a guess, and until you try it there is no way of knowing if its going to work
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You could argue that if its incredibly slow, (less than 0.1mb/s write) then there maybe be some impact on overall performance, but by that time, youve purchased the card anyway!!
Also, cards maybe the same brand, make and model, but that doesnt mean if someone buys that card, it will work for them.
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I cannot disagree with your arguments. That is why I mentioned at the beginning of this thread that these were my results. I agree about the fact that cards under .1mb/s random write, would most definitely fail in WP7. I also agree that cards that score really well in the test might also not perform well in WP7.
But if this thread at least prevents one person from going out and buying a class 10 card and spending lots of $$, for no apparent reason; Just to find out the card doesn't work on the phone, then I believe this post contributed to a good cause.
I opened this thread so that a dialogue may be started so that people may post their results on the random write speeds and real life performance on WP7 Mango.
This way we may weed out some cards that for sure will not work on our devices and find out why based on the testing and not a random persons saying my card did not work in WP7. With this tool we can figure out why the card did not work. (too much or too little speed)
Happy Testing!!!!
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Completely agree with stevemilw
Ive seen posts of people with 32GB Sandisk Class 4 cards that also do not work,
stevemilw, did you ever try using the HD2 as the card reader incase there was an unseen issue with the card reader its self?
OP, i admire your efforts in trying to make sense of this for people but the reality is that its still a guess, and until you try it there is no way of knowing if its going to work
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Very True, I have also seen posts of people with Sandisk 32gb C4 cards say they don't work.
The reason I started this thread is to ask, Why didn't it work?
If your card did not work please do not clutter this thread with words saying so. Please show us data and testing on the card so that reader in this forum may analyze and figure out why the card didn't work.
Hopefully we can find out what type of card is required for good WP7 operation.
there is already a thead on this, which Steve an I took part in, there appeared to be some link between results, in that Random 4K reads needed to be around 600IOPS and random 4k writes needed to be around 20IOPS MIN,lower than that created issues. Unfortunately it wasnt as simple as that as some had cards with huge IOPS figures but still had dodgy performace.
The only thing that we never confirmed (hence my post) was if the card readers could have had a performace impact/
The other issue you have now is that we will be unable to test those SD cards once used with Mango 7712+
now, if you want to have an accurate test then i would suggest setting up a step by step guide to make sure that as many variables are removed as possible
That would be something akin to, a deep full format of the SD using a specific program with specfic settings, then connect it to something that we all have (the HD2 itsself in MAGLDR USB storage mode is a good start, then connect it to a USB 2 socket on a motherboard, then run the program for x number of times with specific settings, take an average, and then report.
You will need to get them to write down the full make and model number,
Getting folk to do that is going to be your biggest problem, but its a good idea if you can get the support for it, if enough people do it then perhaps something might be useful out of it, but unless you make up strick guidelines that everyone follows then the results will be meaningless.
Curious to know whether our phones, or any other similar phones, will support this new type of SD card? I've heard of it being tested in SGS2 and others, and it working, but what I'm curious about is whether we will actually be able to utilize the full storage capacity of the new cards?
I'll probably be looking to pick one up when it approached the £50-80 price range.
Before people start saying "why do you need that much space?" My response will be music and videos and when a 128GB card comes out, I'll be getting that too
Thank you in advance for any info, and hopefully this will help others too who are unsure how our phones will handle this card.
Hi,
in general it is working.
See also here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1281585
regards,
tom
Thanks for the reply. Have already seen that link though and saw the comment about it being only able to access 32GB. This is what confused me in the first place because I assumed if it worked, then it would work to fully storage capacity.
I'm also thinking about getting a 64gb sdxc card (also got a lot of music, videos and apps).
So if you're gonna get on of those cards please report if they work properly.
Thanks in advance.
I believe the capability to access 64gb is based off firmware or something. If you can upgrade the firmware that is related to the card reader on the phone, it would probably do the trick, otherwise it probably wont work.
Will probably wait until this is confirmed to work properly on our phones. The price will drop over the next year or two so don't really want to splash out 100 quid on something which I may not able to be use properly until I get my next phone. Will post here if I hear any news in the future though.
hey guys and girls, I know its an old thread, but still can't find proof the 64GB sdxc card works... somebody already tried it?
The G2/DZ supports SDHC (max of 32GB), it will not support SDXC (least not officially, use at your own risk).