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I Just seen the Elocity A10 listed on tiger.
64GB $699
32GB $599
4GB $449 the 16GB not even listed on tiger
WLAN N
Claiming true multi touch this time for A10's
still ships with 2.2 froyo
Looks like the same pointless 1.3mp cam and still front facing(yes I know web cam)
with all the extra space you would think they would switch to full size SD
I truly have nothing against the elocity. I have an A7 with the 1.3 dex mod loving it, but wife wants it so I'm gonna spring for a Enspert Identy tab E201U. Looks promising and very comparable.

The tablet eLocity A10 and prices, and mt discussed already here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=941603

A10 models starting to show up.
I just saw all 3 models of eLocity A10 on Tiger Direct for pre-order today. Amazon has it up but only on adding to wishlist when it becomes available. I am soo tempted right now to take my A7 back and get this A10 for just an extra 100 dollars to spend. I wonder if it is even worth it. If SteamTV can't release a fix for the sdram issue or at least add upgrade to gingerbread, I'm going to A10.

Poradicus said:
I just saw all 3 models of eLocity A10 on Tiger Direct for pre-order today. Amazon has it up but only on adding to wishlist when it becomes available. I am soo tempted right now to take my A7 back and get this A10 for just an extra 100 dollars to spend. I wonder if it is even worth it. If SteamTV can't release a fix for the sdram issue or at least add upgrade to gingerbread, I'm going to A10.
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What "sdram issue" ?

Sorry meant SD Mirco card where it wouldn't work properly with A7.

Poradicus said:
Sorry meant SD Mirco card where it wouldn't work properly with A7.
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What issue? I don't have any issues with sdcard...

Dexter_nlb said:
this is all a misunderstanding of how tablets are supposed to work, and caused by the fact that android 2.2 is made for a phone with external memory cards, and less to nothing of internal memory.
the current installation where apps are "moved" to internal storage is actually how vendors are trying to implement 2 types of storage.
comparing this to a mobile with just sdcard, and android 2.2 only supporting one storage type, the preferred storage becomes the "internal" and sdcard handling as you notice is now pointing to a location with the internal storage location.
the mountpoint at the internal storage location is planned based on the fact that users coming from an android based mobile knows alot about where to find data, which is in the storage location, so its put as mount at the storage so its easy to access, and not actually any bug at all.
so until better handling is presented (hopefully 3.0) people will continue to think that the handling is wrong or something is not wright here, but it is correct.
your internal storage of "just" 1.5GB is the preferred location, as tablets are not meant to have sdcards as preferred storage, if you chose not to put a sdcard into the tablet. so the choice was easy, use internal storage for android so ppl didnt need to buy additional cards.
but the lack of storage internally is a vendor decision, not a bug or not "the android way" a problem in any way..
imagine, those users without any sdcard, being unable to use the feature of android to a storage, and needed to use data storage for all files, that would look strange, if you didnt have the option available..
it could have been planned differently but vendors (all of the tegra2 vendors) has chosen this path, which could have been done differently but its all relate to apps and how they expect your device to work..
a long explanation, but remember 2.2 is not made for tablets, it made for small devices with external memory cards, which is long overdue and is followed up with the new android 3.0 which hopefully solves your problem.
conclusion,
Nvidia could have chosen a different way of using android, but they're still rather new to the platform and their design is not without problems yet (honeycomb will show that too), so if they used real planning and organized memory and sdcard handling like 2.2 was made for, you would have no problems at all. Remember Nvidia designed it this way, and they are the reason you have problems..Lack of knowledge of design and functionality, like BMW trying to make graphics card for a pc, coming from designing cars, their work would not be in a class like nvidia graphics, but probably ok..but far from good..
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to answer you last question, usb to pc..
ill figure some idea out on the next update, as the tablet do support host/client usb port setup (recently confirmed), but i think you noticed the tablet don't have a port for connecting to your pc for now..
to enable the usb to pc connectivity you need a special usb cable, and software that changes the usb port mode. which can be solved, but disables the functionality of usb sticks etc, connecting to it.
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Yet another in a line of many "problems" that could have been solved by reading the information that is already here.

Out Today!...

On Digitimes "Samsung reportedly to phase out from microSD card market" as you can see it is being reported that Samsung plans to phase out microSD cards http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130507PD224.html. Also, consider if they go the way of Amazon, Nexus and the rest with no microSD cards--no way for users to warehouse their own data. Therefore requiring an internet connection to access your own data, then there will be few products out there with microSD cards and the storage you buy will be all you have unless you want to store your information on remote servers "cloud" to be accessed only if you have a web connection.
To voice your opinion about microSD cards you can email [email protected] and input. The more people who input on wanting them to continue to use microSD cards/slots in their future products the better chance they will keep the technology. I know this is a matter of choice and everyone feels differently about it, but, if you value having microSD please contact Samsung.

edirector said:
On Digitimes "Samsung reportedly to phase out from microSD card market" as you can see it is being reported that Samsung plans to phase out microSD cards http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130507PD224.html. Also, consider if they go the way of Amazon, Nexus and the rest with no microSD cards--no way for users to warehouse their own data. Therefore requiring an internet connection to access your own data, then there will be few products out there with microSD cards and the storage you buy will be all you have unless you want to store your information on remote servers "cloud" to be accessed only if you have a web connection.
To voice your opinion about microSD cards you can email [email protected] and input. The more people who input on wanting them to continue to use microSD cards/slots in their future products the better chance they will keep the technology. I know this is a matter of choice and everyone feels differently about it, but, if you value having microSD please contact Samsung.
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If there do not provide what I would consider ample storage I would just move to another manufactures device that did or still used external storage.

To be clear, though, the article is not about Samsung discontinuing microSD support on its devices. It does not address that.
The article says that Samsung is going to stop making microSD cards. I don't know that I've bought Samsung flash in a microsd package - I may have, but there will continue to be other vendors.

roustabout said:
To be clear, though, the article is not about Samsung discontinuing microSD support on its devices. It does not address that.
The article says that Samsung is going to stop making microSD cards. I don't know that I've bought Samsung flash in a microsd package - I may have, but there will continue to be other vendors.
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So you think they will provide microSD card slots so users can continue to use them & buy (give money to) another vendor? Not sure whether they will or not but we can input if we appreciate having microSD capability by letting them know instead of waiting to see what they do.

edirector said:
So you think they will provide microSD card slots so users can continue to use them & buy (give money to) another vendor? Not sure whether they will or not but we can input if we appreciate having microSD capability by letting them know instead of waiting to see what they do.
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I guess they will stop making phone with microusb and there are people out here buying micro usb cables from other vendors.

aalupatti said:
I guess they will stop making phone with microusb and there are people out here buying micro usb cables from other vendors.
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Not saying that either but best to be safe than sorry. Lot easier to install a custom rom from a external SD then using your laptop to always side-load them.

edirector said:
So you think they will provide microSD card slots so users can continue to use them & buy (give money to) another vendor? Not sure whether they will or not but we can input if we appreciate having microSD capability by letting them know instead of waiting to see what they do.
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This has little or no bearing on removable MicroSD support on Samsung devices. They probably don't make batteries, yet they still make phones that use batteries (and therefore "giving money to another vendor").
The computer memory market in general is incredibly competitive, and not horribly profitable. I didn't even know Samsung made MicroSD cards to begin with. Maybe its just me, but they never seemed like a big player in the memory market (like SanDisk, Kingston, etc.), so its not surprising to see them exit it.
Yes, there is some trend to embedded memory on tablets and phones (at least on iPhones, HTC, and some other brands). But as long as there is some demand for removable MicroSD support, Samsung will probbaly continue to offer it. They seem to be carving a niche for themselves in the mobile market, by offering features lacked by other brands.
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edirector said:
Lot easier to install a custom rom from a external SD then using your laptop to always side-load them.
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Its ridiculously easy to load a ROM onto embedded memory by mounting USB, either via recovery or just in the Android OS itself. Not any more complicated than loading a ROM onto a removable MicroSD card using a card reader.

I use the Samsung "Pro" microSD cards and prefer them over the Sandisk, but it seems that Samsung hasn't really been very aggressive in marketing these products. As far as other Samsung memory products, their 830- & 840-Series SSD drives are tops. I prefer them over the Crucial and Sandisk SDDs as well. I think Samsung makes the bulk of their memory profits from large OEM contracts for on-board memory, such as for Apple iPhone, etc.
As far as Samsung eliminating the mSD card slot on their future devices, that would certainly be a bummer IMO, but only time will tell if this becomes a reality.

bbfoto said:
I use the Samsung "Pro" microSD cards and prefer them over the Sandisk, but it seems that Samsung hasn't really been very aggressive in marketing these products. As far as other Samsung memory products, their 830- & 840-Series SSD drives are tops. I prefer them over the Crucial and Sandisk SDDs as well. I think Samsung makes the bulk of their memory profits from large OEM contracts for on-board memory, such as for Apple iPhone, etc.
As far as Samsung eliminating the mSD card slot on their future devices, that would certainly be a bummer IMO, but only time will tell if this becomes a reality.
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Samsung responded to my email. They said they are researching the source of that article statement and that it would be something they would announce to customers. They, of course, appreciated the input and forwarded the inquiry to the appropriate department for clarity. So writing does help and they did respond. One thing it did, was let them know someone appreciated having microSD cards & slots.

Why can't Note III have normal SD Card capability

To those of us who like to store hundreds and hundreds of full album MP3's encoded at FLAC would love to have more phone storage.
With the NOTE being such a large phone, I sure hope Samsung designs the NOTE III or IV to have "normal" SD Card capability. Not Micro. Since the normal (or next size up) cards have twice the storage capacity.
Whacha think?
Don't bother responding unless you're one of the folks who are NOT into using the Cloud and NEED massive storage space. :good:

CZ Eddie said:
To those of us who like to store hundreds and hundreds of full album MP3's encoded at FLAC would love to have more phone storage.
With the NOTE being such a large phone, I sure hope Samsung designs the NOTE III or IV to have "normal" SD Card capability. Not Micro. Since the normal (or next size up) cards have twice the storage capacity.
Whacha think?
Don't bother responding unless you're one of the folks who are NOT into using the Cloud and NEED massive storage space. :good:
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While it would be nice to have more internal memory, you can put in a 64 GB microSD and it will likely be read (the Note 2 can already read them). MP3's don't necessarily have to reside in internal memory, so why not just use a 64GB micro-SD instead? ;The price is down to under $50 if you shop around.
mudge

CZ Eddie said:
To those of us who like to store hundreds and hundreds of full album MP3's encoded at FLAC would love to have more phone storage.
With the NOTE being such a large phone, I sure hope Samsung designs the NOTE III or IV to have "normal" SD Card capability. Not Micro. Since the normal (or next size up) cards have twice the storage capacity.
Whacha think?
Don't bother responding unless you're one of the folks who are NOT into using the Cloud and NEED massive storage space. :good:
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won't happen !!! by the way Samsung has invented a technique which will allow sdcard to be as large as 128GB or more...and faster than current technologies..maybe wait for Samsung S 5 and Note IV maybe..I doubt if note 3 would come with it
http://bgr.com/2013/08/06/samsung-3d-vertical-nan-flash/
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CZ Eddie said:
With the NOTE being such a large phone...
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...that shares many components and design concepts with other Samsung phones.
Why would a bigger SD card physically have any impact on what can be read by the phone? Samsung's devices support exFAT and a 64GB max SD card. It's not the micro (vs. standard) SD card that's imposing that limitation. Some other manufacturer's devices don't support exFAT at all and can only handle a max 32GB micro SD card.

Okay, if you don't UNDERSTAND the reason behind my thread, then don't come in here and waste time. Thanks.
iCurmudgeon said:
why not just use a 64GB micro-SD instead? ;The price is down to under $50 if you shop around.
mudge
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I make a post about wanting more storage and you suggest a 64GB card? lol
I already have one. But I can't fit my whole music collection on it. Even at 240kbps VBR.
I would ideally like to have about 500GB so I can carry ALL of my favorite music.
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won't happen !!! by the way Samsung has invented a technique which will allow sdcard to be as large as 128GB or more...and faster than current technologies..maybe wait for Samsung S 5 and Note IV maybe..I doubt if note 3 would come with it
http://bgr.com/2013/08/06/samsung-3d-vertical-nan-flash/
Yeah, 128GB is coming next year from more than just Samsung.
Too little, too late IMO.
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BarryH_GEG said:
...that shares many components and design concepts with other Samsung phones.
Why would a bigger SD card physically have any impact on what can be read by the phone? Samsung's devices support exFAT and a 64GB max SD card. It's not the micro (vs. standard) SD card that's imposing that limitation. Some other manufacturer's devices don't support exFAT at all and can only handle a max 32GB micro SD card.
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I don't understand your point(s).

CZ Eddie said:
Okay, if you don't UNDERSTAND the reason behind my thread, then don't come in here and waste time. Thanks. I make a post about wanting more storage and you suggest a 64GB card? lol. I already have one. But I can't fit my whole music collection on it. Even at 240kbps VBR.
I would ideally like to have about 500GB so I can carry ALL of my favorite music.
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For that, you'll probably need otg. Meaning a short cable or adapter with micro USB male at one end and female USB at the other end and that will give you the ability to connect a 512GB USB to your phone!
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CZ Eddie said:
Okay, if you don't UNDERSTAND the reason behind my thread, then don't come in here and waste time. Thanks.
I make a post about wanting more storage and you suggest a 64GB card? lol
I already have one. But I can't fit my whole music collection on it. Even at 240kbps VBR.
I would ideally like to have about 500GB so I can carry ALL of my favorite music.
I don't understand your point(s).
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Dude that is crazy. Wanting to 500gigs. Even if I had that much music I would carry it on a 512gig sdd or HDD. The note 2 has otg so it is easy to swap info as needed. I carry drivers and other miscellaneous because I do free troubleshooting and fixing old people's computers. I would to have 128 or even 256 SD cards but I wouldnt mind a 64gb note3 with 64gig micro SD. That would be great and less compromising.

CZ Eddie said:
I make a post about wanting more storage and you suggest a 64GB card? lol
I already have one. But I can't fit my whole music collection on it. Even at 240kbps VBR.
I would ideally like to have about 500GB so I can carry ALL of my favorite music.
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I am 100% with you although it's not just music I would fill 500GB with.
I have a 500GB SSD on my laptop and ideally I would be able to carry ALL OF MY FILES on my smartphone. Android, unlike the other toy mobile OSes, can do practically the same things a regular PC does and the Note II's display is big enough (still small for me though) to ENABLE taking advantage of all of the Android's capabilities.
Plus, there always are Allshare Cast, HDMI out, BT keyboard and mouse and USB OTG. In a pinch, Android smartphones can perfectly act as PC replacements (god I love this stuff and god I hate the guts of crap like iOS and other such dog sh*t!). I travel a lot and live abroad for several weeks at a time, on shorter stays I am not even carrying my laptop anymore.
I am one of those who always buy the biggest internal storage variant and the biggest external memory card which fits, at the moment I have a 16GB Note II with a 64GB Samsung UHS-1 card, if 64GB or 32GB Note IIs were sold in Europe I would have gladly paid for the biggest internal storage option available (plus, of course, the biggest fitting memory card).
The cloud is GREAT but ONLY for backups and quick syncing of SMALL files across different devices. Using it in place of local storage is for non-powerusers...
I hate it so much when I am out and about and I need some less-used file which I am not keeping on my Note (for lack of space...) and I have to retrieve it via Samsung Link (which, BTW, itself is awesome).
As for your idea of using full sized SDs, I would be all for it especially since I advocate 6"/6.3" smartphones and we are saving "so much space" with "wonderful ideas" like micro and nano SIMs (...) so I believe they would fit but that's not going to happen. We are going to have to wait for the normal evolution of micro-SDs' capacity.

xdapao3 said:
I am 100% with you although it's not just music I would fill 500GB with.
I have a 500GB SSD on my laptop and ideally I would be able to carry ALL OF MY FILES on my smartphone. Android, unlike the other toy mobile OSes, can do practically the same things a regular PC does and the Note II's display is big enough (still small for me though) to ENABLE taking advantage of all of the Android's capabilities.
Plus, there always are Allshare Cast, HDMI out, BT keyboard and mouse and USB OTG. In a pinch, Android smartphones can perfectly act as PC replacements (god I love this stuff and god I hate the guts of crap like iOS and other such dog sh*t!). I travel a lot and live abroad for several weeks at a time, on shorter stays I am not even carrying my laptop anymore.
I am one of those who always buy the biggest internal storage variant and the biggest external memory card which fits, at the moment I have a 16GB Note II with a 64GB Samsung UHS-1 card, if 64GB or 32GB Note IIs were sold in Europe I would have gladly paid for the biggest internal storage option available (plus, of course, the biggest fitting memory card).
The cloud is GREAT but ONLY for backups and quick syncing of SMALL files across different devices. Using it in place of local storage is for non-powerusers...
I hate it so much when I am out and about and I need some less-used file which I am not keeping on my Note (for lack of space...) and I have to retrieve it via Samsung Link (which, BTW, itself is awesome).
As for your idea of using full sized SDs, I would be all for it especially since I advocate 6"/6.3" smartphones and we are saving "so much space" with "wonderful ideas" like micro and nano SIMs (...) so I believe they would fit but that's not going to happen. We are going to have to wait for the normal evolution of micro-SDs' capacity.
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even if the capacityfor 500GB was available I think there would be battery concerns as would chew more power !!
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CZ Eddie said:
To those of us who like to store hundreds and hundreds of full album MP3's encoded at FLAC would love to have more phone storage.
With the NOTE being such a large phone, I sure hope Samsung designs the NOTE III or IV to have "normal" SD Card capability. Not Micro. Since the normal (or next size up) cards have twice the storage capacity.
Whacha think?
Don't bother responding unless you're one of the folks who are NOT into using the Cloud and NEED massive storage space. :good:
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Maybe you should ask Sammy to make a note with multiple compact flash slots so you can put twice the storage capacity.
For me 64gb is enough. I just hope they skip 16gb models. To small for for my needs.
I don't do cloud computing because I don't have internet access everywhere.
Anyways I also heard and read about a person who modified his note 2 to have 288gb

CZ Eddie said:
Okay, if you don't UNDERSTAND the reason behind my thread, then don't come in here and waste time. Thanks.
I make a post about wanting more storage and you suggest a 64GB card? lol
I already have one. But I can't fit my whole music collection on it. Even at 240kbps VBR.
I would ideally like to have about 500GB so I can carry ALL of my favorite music.
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So get yourself a 1-terabyte Seagate Wireless Plus drive and use that (or stick it to the back of your phone). 802.11g/n, 1TB capacity, rechargeable battery and, best of all it can act as a bridge to your regular wi-fi router so you don't have to keep switching access points. Comes with a USB 3.0 adapter so you can load up your music fast. Android app available at the Play Store (some people seem to think it's Apple only. It isn't).

jetbruceli said:
Maybe you should ask Sammy to make a note with multiple compact flash slots so you can put twice the storage capacity. For me 64gb is enough. I just hope they skip 16gb models. To small for for my needs.
I don't do cloud computing because I don't have internet access everywhere. Anyways I also heard and read about a person who modified his note 2 to have 288gb
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Modified to 288GB? Where & how? --- Sent from my Amazon Kindle Fire (cm10.2) using xda premium

iCurmudgeon said:
So get yourself a 1-terabyte Seagate Wireless Plus drive and use that (or stick it to the back of your phone). 802.11g/n, 1TB capacity, rechargeable battery and, best of all it can act as a bridge to your regular wi-fi router so you don't have to keep switching access points. Comes with a USB 3.0 adapter so you can load up your music fast. Android app available at the Play Store (some people seem to think it's Apple only. It isn't).
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Good find there.
You get a terabyte of storage for less than the cost of a 256 gb sd card.
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Modified to 288GB? Where & how? --- Sent from my Amazon Kindle Fire (cm10.2) using xda premium
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2239413&highlight=288gb+note+2
There you go. Guy did some neat modding honestly. Bit expensive for my tastes. I think I'd just get a portable wireless drive and save time and money.

CZ Eddie said:
To those of us who like to store hundreds and hundreds of full album MP3's encoded at FLAC would love to have more phone storage.
With the NOTE being such a large phone, I sure hope Samsung designs the NOTE III or IV to have "normal" SD Card capability. Not Micro. Since the normal (or next size up) cards have twice the storage capacity.
Whacha think?
Don't bother responding unless you're one of the folks who are NOT into using the Cloud and NEED massive storage space. :good:
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What kind of thread is this really? From the title, it sounds like you have already established that the note 3 doesn't support "normal sd card" and then you say I hope it'll have normal sd card..... Makes a lot of sense.
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barondebxl said:
What kind of thread is this really? From the title, it sounds like you have already established that the note 3 doesn't support "normal sd card" and then you say I hope it'll have normal sd card..... Makes a lot of sense.
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No kidding, Sherlock!
Exactly!
And no, I'm simply wishing it would have normal SD card capability.
And hopefully, somehow, Samsung will take notice of my request or someone else's and implement massive storage into the Note IV.
It's far too late for the Note III, and possibly too late for the IV as well. These things are already being designed well before the previous version is even released.
USB-OTG... a great solution for keeping your storage in a particular location. Not much good if I want to suddenly have access to all my storage when I'm at a friends house though.
Pshhh to most of the other posters. Only one or two get it on this thread so far.
I'm not a newb. I know what my CURRENT options are.
This thread is about hoping for future, BETTER options as far as storage goes.
And yes, multiple MicroSD cards in one phone would be a suitable alternative.
Better yet, multiple normal SD cards would be even better.

BarryH_GEG said:
...that shares many components and design concepts with other Samsung phones.
Why would a bigger SD card physically have any impact on what can be read by the phone? Samsung's devices support exFAT and a 64GB max SD card. It's not the micro (vs. standard) SD card that's imposing that limitation. Some other manufacturer's devices don't support exFAT at all and can only handle a max 32GB micro SD card.
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The 64GB "limit" doesn't actually exist. It's just that there are no larger capacity cards. If you align the pins or use a correct adapter you can use a 128GB card without any problems.
OP, I hope you're actually ripping the FLACs from a CD or getting them ripped, converting MP3s to FLAC won't do you any good.
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Imagine a 2mm thicker Note with even better battery life and real SD-card capabilities... I would buy it
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CZ Eddie said:
No kidding, Sherlock!
Exactly!
And no, I'm simply wishing it would have normal SD card capability.
And hopefully, somehow, Samsung will take notice of my request or someone else's and implement massive storage into the Note IV.
It's far too late for the Note III, and possibly too late for the IV as well. These things are already being designed well before the previous version is even released.
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I'm sure Sammy would do it, but at what cost? The unlocked model of the Note 2 is already north of $600 ... even with carrier subsidies a phone with what you want would cost at least that, probably $2000 unlocked. All the fun and games that would make it possible just isn't worth it to me. No smartphone is.
mudge

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I'm sure Sammy would do it, but at what cost? The unlocked model of the Note 2 is already north of $600 ... even with carrier subsidies a phone with what you want would cost at least that, probably $2000 unlocked.
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$1400 more for a SD card slot compared to microSD card slot... sounds legit

A better solution would be a phone with 2 microsd slots. Wouldn't cost a small fortune.
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Android M and microSD support. What's the story?

I heard that android m will allow phones to use micro SD cards as phone memory, not like the old days when you had options to move only certain programs (and not the whole program) to the card.
I had an Att note for when they came out. I was shocked that with the bloatware installed, I had quite a small amount of space of the 32gig to use for programs. Far less than I thought.
Anyway, I read somewhere that M will see your SD card as phone memory.
32gig moto x and 32gig card would essentially allow me to enjoy what I have now with my oneplus one?

In short yes. The way it works is android will format your SD card and then it will be recognised as internal memory. In a way. You can remove it like you can remove sd cards now but only an Android device can recognize it. There's a chance only the device that formatted the card will recognize it but I'm not sure about that.
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Is that supposed to be mandatory or can I simply use it as storage.
I typically like running apps from the internal memory and keeping media (music/video/images) on the SD card.
Is that still going to be supported or is the use as memory scenario going to be forced?

I think it will be an optional feature. It wouldn't make sense to add extra support but also remove support for the same add-on media.
With this news, I am curious if phone manufacturers will begin adding two micro SD slots on the phones. One slot would be for "internal" memory expansion, and one for traditional SD support.

Doubtful because they will just say no reason to adda second because you can get a 128 gb chip
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zatokie said:
With this news, I am curious if phone manufacturers will begin adding two micro SD slots on the phones. One slot would be for "internal" memory expansion, and one for traditional SD support.
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You are kidding right? We cant even get samsung to give us one sdcard slot in any phone let alone two hahahaha keep dreaming

More importantly.. how quickly do you think the Moto X will get Marshmallow?

joshhud said:
More importantly.. how quickly do you think the Moto X will get Marshmallow?
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I assume it will be pretty quick after the official release of Marshmallow. Motorola is usually pretty quick about updates. They also won't need carrier approval so it should be faster than ever.

Ganondroid said:
I assume it will be pretty quick after the official release of Marshmallow. Motorola is usually pretty quick about updates. They also won't need carrier approval so it should be faster than ever.
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Unfortunately they're slow on the point releases. While 5.0 was out very quickly on the Moto X Pure edition, 5.1 didn't come out until 5 months after Google's release.

raptir said:
Unfortunately they're slow on the point releases. While 5.0 was out very quickly on the Moto X Pure edition, 5.1 didn't come out until 5 months after Google's release.
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It's a good thing that Marshmallow is Android 6.0 then.

Ganondroid said:
I assume it will be pretty quick after the official release of Marshmallow. Motorola is usually pretty quick about updates. They also won't need carrier approval so it should be faster than ever.
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I think Moto X 2013 owners would disagree with you regarding 'quick updates'.

RyanTX said:
I think Moto X 2013 owners would disagree with you regarding 'quick updates'.
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Weren't they beings sold they carriers at that point in time though?

newellj79 said:
Weren't they beings sold they carriers at that point in time though?
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Not outside of the US for sure. But still, lollipop was a huge upgrade from KitKat. The KitKat release itself was extremely fast, I received that like 1 or 2 weeks after I received it on my nexus 10.
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In theory, the whole point of the SD card Marshallow feature is a way to allow Android One phones which have low internal memory to be cheaper and perform better. Wouldn't the same apply in our case, allowing manufacturers to offer 8 and 16 GB models with an SD card slot as a way of getting their cost down and marketing their phones at a cheaper price... Knowing now that subsidies are over and to compete, price is a huge factor.

On the topic of SD cards, can anyone suggest a very solid and reliable 128GB card I can use in the Moto X Pure? I've had bad luck before with cards dying so I really don't want my girlfriend going through the same experience that I had.

doratheconquistadora said:
On the topic of SD cards, can anyone suggest a very solid and reliable 128GB card I can use in the Moto X Pure? I've had bad luck before with cards dying so I really don't want my girlfriend going through the same experience that I had.
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I haven't used their 128 GB version yet, but I've used several of SanDisk's 64 GB cards in multiple devices and never had a problem. Most recently, I've got a couple of these and they work great:
http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M55C1I2
SanDisk has a newer, slightly faster version of that card out now as well. I'll probably get the newer 128 GB version for the Moto X myself.

I am curious about what the read/write speeds will be compared to the internal storage. That might be a pretty big caveat regarding this whole idea of using sd cards to expand internal storage.

gthing said:
I am curious about what the read/write speeds will be compared to the internal storage. That might be a pretty big caveat regarding this whole idea of using sd cards to expand internal storage.
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Not fast enough to record 4K video, but fast enough for everything else, I would guess.

SD card and storage controversy

Such a huge disappointment to me personally....Samsung is apparently not allowing adoptable storage, meaning that everyone in Europe will be stuck with 32 gb minus whatever is reserved for the OS. I am still at a loss as to how Samsung came up with the brilliant idea to have only 32 gb models available.
It seems that the same also goes for the new LG G5.
Well, I was very close to buying my first ever Samsung phone....

It might have to do with the ufs storage being so fast that sticking a cheap/slow sd card will hamper loading times with apps that are installed on it . Thats my guess at least.

Something like this will probably work. I would bet this technique will work fine on the s7 with either no or minor modifications.
https://reddit.com/r/lgg4/comments/3z1bfi/enable_adoptable_storage_on_your_lg_g4_stock_no/
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I think it's a good idea. Store your media in microSD, let UFS handle apps. There is a good write-up here to understand the concept.
http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage
Adoptable storage is really only useful for two things:
- An SD card placed in a phone or tablet and never to be removed
- A USB storage device attached to your Android TV box, and never to be removed.
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That means your microSD is NOT removeable while using adopotable storage option.
If you try to remove it, things go haywire.
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There's also the bit about how SD cards have a limited number of times they can be read from and written to. Using an SD card the "normal" way means failures are uncommon. When you start caching data and reading and writing at a rate higher than a card was designed to handle, problems can arise.
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I personally prefer it split. The default folder structure is a complete mess and its such a pain having to find my documents, music, camera folders etc when they are all mixed in with junk folders so its much better to have them stored separately on the sd card. I just wish that Chrome would add the option of changing the default download location.

NYanakiev1 said:
Such a huge disappointment to me personally....Samsung is apparently not allowing adoptable storage, meaning that everyone in Europe will be stuck with 32 gb minus whatever is reserved for the OS. I am still at a loss as to how Samsung came up with the brilliant idea to have only 32 gb models available.
It seems that the same also goes for the new LG G5.
Well, I was very close to buying my first ever Samsung phone....
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Same here, I was going to pre-order one with 64gb or 128gb but only 32gb available; what a disappointment. I don't like to use micro SD card. I'm not getting one for that reason.

I'm holding out for a 64gb model. 32gb just isnt enough,

This won't affect me, since I don't game, my 16gb S4 already has enough OS/app storage, & I use my 128gb SD as static music storage. However, I agree that this option should be present for people who have different usage patterns than mine, especially since Sandisk just released super fast SD cards. Even better would be 64/128gb built-in to make the point moot for just about anyone.

Dwayne01 said:
I'm holding out for a 64gb model. 32gb just isnt enough,
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Well if you're in the states you won't be getting a 64GB version lol so I would suggest getting an SD card so you can start enjoying this beautiful phone

I too am disappointed with no 64gb option. Unreal. Freaking kids that complained got what they want. Now i personally will not buy it because I'm forced to use slow ass sd card. Stupid. So stupid. No one realizes that ufs is stupid faster then the best sd cards except for the diehards.

v2.2v said:
Well if you're in the states you won't be getting a 64GB version lol so I would suggest getting an SD card so you can start enjoying this beautiful phone
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I'm in the UK, so there is still hope

Samsung's explanation seems kinda dumb, they could have just added that option in Developer settings or something.

I wonder if this is something that could be enacted in a custom ROM.

I guess I understand the disappointment but 32 gig is plenty of room especially if ya pack all pictures and music off the side.
It will be yet a better reason to root and free up bloat of space is an issue??

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Samsung's explanation seems kinda dumb, they could have just added that option in Developer settings or something.
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No, it's quiet brillant from both LG and Samsung.
Phone are not made for people in XDA. My friends (some of who work in IT or other engineers) don't even know or care about 'Developer Settings'. My parents know nothing more than taking photos on defualt settings, listening music, messages etc., Do you think these people will have any idea about adoptable storage?
Samsung doesn't care about XDA people, and rightly so. You don't run a trillion dollar business based on whims of XDA folks. What's best for common man is what's their aim. And I applaud them for thinking beyond geek mentality. Same goes for LG.

CLARiiON said:
No, it's quiet brillant from both LG and Samsung.
Phone are not made for people in XDA. My friends (some of who work in IT or other engineers) don't even know or care about 'Developer Settings'. My parents know nothing more than taking photos on defualt settings, listening music, messages etc., Do you think these people will have any idea about adoptable storage?
Samsung doesn't care about XDA people, and rightly so. You don't run a trillion dollar business based on whims of XDA folks. What's best for common man is what's their aim. And I applaud them for thinking beyond geek mentality. Same goes for LG.
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I understand and kind of agree with this, but by this same reasoning, they should never have brought back the idea of expandable memory in the first place.
Virtually all of the people you refer to as not needing, caring about, or even necessarily understanding the idea of adoptable storage are not much more likely to need, care about, or understand the idea of portable storage either.
And yet, here we are with the SD card slot re-added to the 2016 models. Samsung must have been responding to a minority of their consumers complaining about loss of expandable storage or they would never have done this.
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I understand and kind of agree with this, but by this same reasoning, they should never have brought back the idea of expandable memory in the first place.
Virtually all of the people you refer to as not needing, caring about, or even necessarily understanding the idea of adoptable storage are not much more likely to need, care about, or understand the idea of portable storage either.
And yet, here we are with the SD card slot re-added to the 2016 models. Samsung must have been responding to a minority of their consumers complaining about loss of expandable storage or they would never have done this.
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The idea remains the same as with the GS5, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Expandable =/= adoptable.
Once a storage device is adopted, it becomes part of the system and is no longer removable. Sure you can physically remove it, but you'll be prompted to put it back while apps and services crash on your phone or tablet. It's adopted — taken in and loved by the system, and made part of the whole.
This means Adoptable storage is really only useful for two things:
An SD card placed in a phone or tablet and never to be removed
A USB storage device attached to your Android TV box, and never to be removed.
When you insert an SD card into the HTC One A9 (the only device I've been able to try it on because Google hates SD cards) you have the choice of using it as a Portable device or an Internal device if you go to reformat it. If you choose Portable, it acts like any other SD card and you can take it out and swap it between devices at your leisure.
If you choose Internal, things change. The device is formatted as a local, 128-bit AES encrypted EXT4 drive and mounted as part of the system. It's then set as the preferred storage, and you're prompted to move data over. Newly generated data is placed on the adopted storage by default.
If you try to remove it, things go haywire.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage

dandroid13 said:
The idea remains the same as with the GS5, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Expandable =/= adoptable.
http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage
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Previous post to mine said no adoptable storage on s7 because the great majority of buyers wouldn't understand or care about it.
I was pointing out (or trying to, at least) that if that was the reason that adoptable storage was not included in the s7's version of MM, Samsung probably wouldn't have resurrected the SD slot at all, since the same logic would apply (i.e. the vast majority of buyers for a huge, huge seller like a Samsung flagship probably won't bother using the SD slot even for its remaining use as portable storage).
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TJCacher said:
Previous post to mine said no adoptable storage on s7 because the great majority of buyers wouldn't understand or care about it.
I was pointing out (or trying to, at least) that if that was the reason that adoptable storage was not included in the s7's version of MM, Samsung probably wouldn't have resurrected the SD slot at all, since the same logic would apply (vast majority of buyers for a huge, huge seller like a Samsung flagship won't bother using the SD slot even for its remaining use as portable storage).
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Well, without adoptable you can put it in and forget, no need to care about formatting and losing your data. It would create more confusion.

Adoptable Storage is fine for $100 phones sold in emerging markets because their internals are slow performance wise. For a flagship all its storage will perform at the lowest common denominator which is the speed capabilities of the external SD card. LG and Samsung's choice makes sense. Use the slower less reliable storage for big ass video, RAW, and FLAC files and the faster storage for everything else. Their approach also lets media be shared via the external SD being removable which is impossible with Adoptable Storage. Just because Google puts something out doesn't make it good. As for performance, I can't remember any long threads saying using external storage to play files was ever a problem performance wise.
And for those with the bucks your worries about slow external storage can be solved...
https://www.sandisk.com/about/media...-card-featuring-worlds-fastest-transfer-speed