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Since I got my Xperia X10, I have been following xda forum quiet regularly. I started to notice a trend in the posts of Xperia X10 threads. This trend is commonly known as Kubler-Ross model or "5 stages of grief".
1st Stage: Denial- "No we have Multitouch..........it just needs to be rooted"
2nd Stage: Anger- "F** SE, A**h**e SE, I will never buy their products etc...."
3rd Stage: Bargaining- "OK if Paul starts working on it then we can have the root"
4th Stage: Depression- "I will not be fooled by SE again, going to HTC next time...." or "Iphone has a good operating system"
5th Stage: Aceptance-"Well it does what the box says......"
I am currently between 3 and 4, but there are lots of ppl in stage 2. And they are cursing each other in Android Developement thread. I am not sure how much developement has been done but I can see very well the stages of grief going on. This is becoming a serious issue now
I think the dev should just stop whatever they are doing and make an app, which just say "Everything is OK, it's JUST a phone".
Non devs please state your stage of grief. Only by consulting and more discussing about your stage of grief, will make you feel better. So please write your stage and how many time you click on refresh and how is this effecting your life
Hi, my name is Bikram. I press the refresh buttom atleast 4 times within an hour. This is making me unproductive at job.
rofl, I can't believe i just read that post. stage 3
isn't it an achievement SE made this trend?
since it's not happening anywhere but SE thread so i am supposed this is SE problem not we user
anyway i am 2,3,4
Hi, I'm thunderpossum, and I'm a stage 5 refreshaholic.
Boredom is what keeps me coming back.
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haha, great thread!
i'm at a quasi-state 4. I'm still an SE fan, but since I'm with T-Mobile and need a good Android with the 1700 band, I'm getting my first non-SE phone ever, and picking up a Nexus One.
If SE learns from it's mistakes about skimping on hardware and taking ages for software updates, and makes a good X10 successor, I'll be more than happy to give SE another shot.
pakraider said:
haha, great thread!
i'm at a quasi-state 4. I'm still an SE fan, but since I'm with T-Mobile and need a good Android with the 1700 band, I'm getting my first non-SE phone ever, and picking up a Nexus One.
If SE learns from it's mistakes about skimping on hardware and taking ages for software updates, and makes a good X10 successor, I'll be more than happy to give SE another shot.
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forget it man. how could you expect they will do better next time while they messed up like this at the moment?=..=
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forget it man. how could you expect they will do better next time while they messed up like this at the moment?=..=
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You might be right, but let's be honest--if (a big if) SE decided to change it's frustrating ways and really knock it out of the park on a future Android phone, won't all of us be flocking to get it and flaunting our SE fan credentials?
I'll stay an SE fan, but with Froyo out and Gingerbread coming in Q4, and Nexus One being a rooted and well supported phone, I have to put practicalities above brand loyalty when it comes to shelling out $500+.
I'm between 4 & 5. Accepting its comfortably the best phone i ever owned. With equal measure of annoyance that SE have ' gone dark' on us. Ace thread by the way!
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You might be right, but let's be honest--if (a big if) SE decided to change it's frustrating ways and really knock it out of the park on a future Android phone, won't all of us be flocking to get it and flaunting our SE fan credentials?
I'll stay an SE fan, but with Froyo out and Gingerbread coming in Q4, and Nexus One being a rooted and well supported phone, I have to put practicalities above brand loyalty when it comes to shelling out $500+.
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i have no idea how much time you been frustrating with SE but for me i already experienced on w960 and x1 now x10 is the third time they made a nice looking and decent hardware device out of the competition because they took a hell of long time to develope their horrible os before they launch the product and have no problem giving their so called flagship product out there with unbearable cripple which is cause by software issue.
so if you ask me do i think they will do it again the next time?
i think they'll not even hesitate to do so!
I guess there is another stage after 5 for ppl waiting 2.2 and other cool things that can make x10 the perfect phone
Mugur
http://mugur-ionescu.ro/tag/xperia
I think i skiped all those stages, I've been a long term fan of SE and accept them even with their many failings! As for the x10 i love it, its been a while since i've had a touch screen phone (had a p900 then went to candybar phones for a while) so i'm enjoying being back and having a weath of apps at my fingertips. I bought the phone fully aware that it was 1.6 and that SE said it would be in q4 before the big update comes (which I take to mean 'at some time after q4', I've been with se way too long to beleive a definate when they give it!) so i'm happy with my purchase.
As for issues and bugs its had this is all standard stuff with a new anything, especially when its something new for the company too, its something you have to accept as an alpha consumer otherwise you will drive yourself mad with frustration!
Stage two and I'm sending the bill for my anger management classes to SE lol. I hit refresh more times than I can count in a day (at least a dozen times during my morning b m). I need help, I'm going to go for addictions counselling tomorrow. They think I need to go through the 12 step program. It's just hard admitting I have a problem.
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Well, i'm probably stage 5 from the beginning.
I knew what i'll buy.
What i don't like about SE?
They are slow as a donkey riding a pig.
What i don't like about N1? Is made by HTC.
What i don't like about HTC? Well, is HTC.
I wish i could buy the Motoroi or Galaxy S had at least a flash light like X10
oh crap, looks like I hit stage 4, I was actually impressed with apples updates in ios4 I can't believe I actually considered owning one of those useless idevices again
stage 4 ,but i already have htc phone but windows os not android (hd2)
I know full well what to expect from SE after owning the X1 and X2. The X2 is on it's way back now and I am getting an x10 in return. Heck if I could get my money back I would! However, the X10 is one sexy looking phone, you gotta give it that.
I did a lot of research on what the X10 can and can't do, and I am prepared for that, so I wont get angry. Trust me, it's nothing compared to MR1 on the X2... ugh! I would have gone with another brand based on that alone, but we can only hope the updates come complete and pre-tested for the X10. After the mess they made on the X2, I am sure they want to take their time to release the latest updates.
Multi touch? who knows, maybe SE is limiting multi touch on purpose to keep Apple off their lawsuit radar
I have been in stage 5 since a month before i even got it, couse, like iv'e said on several threads here hating everyting, i knew what i was paying for couse i did my homework. And one can not just assume root comes to every device. I happy with my phone, yet though i am starting to get really confused about the so called "may upgrade" and will it contain onefinger-pinch-zoom? I hope so. Cheers!
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I am happily on 5th stage, right after the 1st stage.
I skipped the 3 stages in between, as they would ruin my mojo!!!
It is not every day that a cellphone manufacturer sets out its stall to defend an older operating system. Well, that is exactly what Sony Ericsson did at a press briefing (or discussion, as they preferred to call it) in Delhi yesterday as it tried to explain to selected members of the press why Android 1.6 was not too far behind Android 2.1 and even 2.2. The reason for this faith in the older version of Android is simple – Sony Ericsson has no fewer than three devices (the Xperia X10, the X10 mini and the X10 mini pro) running on the platform.
Sony Ericsson’s argument was that while there was no doubting that the devices ran on an older version of Android, the company had company had done more than enough to include features in its UI (called UIX) to make it comparable with newer versions of the OS. Features like better camera controls, Timescape, Mediascape and improved media players, claimed the company brought the X10 range of devices very close to anything that Android 2.1 devices could deliver. With the exception of multi-touch, as one gentleman from the company added. What’s more, while a major update to the X10 would take it up to Android 2.1 later this year, there would also be a number of smaller tweaks that would continue improving the user experience (such as allowing them to use Timescape without going to the device’s browser, and improvements to the browser itself) on the device, beginning with an update coming in a couple of weeks.
For all the company’s claims, however, it was difficult not to feel a tinge of regret that all the hard work put into the interface layer had not gone into Android 2.1, which all said and done, is a few streets ahead of 1.6 in terms of appearance and performance. Especially when one considers the fact that the X10 was rolled out well after (almost four months after) the Motorola Droid/Milestone which was already running Android 2.0 (later updated to 2.1). Yes, there is no doubting that Sony Ericsson has done a lot with Android 1.6, more perhaps than any cellphone manufacturer, but there is also no doubting the fact that its decision to choose 1.6 rather than a newer version of Android on one of the most powerful configurations seen on a smartphone was more than a little befuddling. The company executives can rail on about the fact that “user experience is more important than the version of the OS” (yes, one of them actually said that) and the fact that the “X10 performs as well if not better than any device running Android 2.1, with the exception of multi-touch” (yes, that was said too), but these claims are undermined by the fact that a person who pays a premium price for a handset expects it to be running the latest software in town. And heck, if 1.6 was SO hot, why on earth is Sony Ericsson itself working on an update to 2.1?
It was a brave innings by Sony Ericsson for Android 1.6, but alas, it was in a losing cause. There is no doubt that the X10 is one of the best Android 1.6 devices in town, but it would have perhaps been the best smartphone in the world had it run 2.1. And by the time it does get down to running 2.1, the Android world would have perhaps moved on to 2.2 and beyond. Time and updates wait for no one in the tech world, not even Sony Ericsson.
This happened recently in india,Sony Ericsson organised a Round Table Android Meet where they were to discuss about there Android commitment.
Sony Ericsson India also said that , they are Committed to Providing Updates to Xperia X10 throughout it’s Lifecylce.
here is da link http://onlygizmos.com/sony-ericsson-bats-bravely-for-android-1-6/2010/06/
there would also be a number of smaller tweaks that would continue improving the user experience (such as allowing them to use Timescape without going to the device’s browser, and improvements to the browser itself) on the device, beginning with an update coming in a couple of weeks.
this really looks promising..i guess SE r really improving da overall UI..doing everything inside timescape looks very promising indeed...i hope dey roll da update soon
Look what froyo adds to the table for android. 2.1 update might be big for SE but the standard by then will be 2.2. Again with the catch up game.
Not a good sign at all from SE.
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Like da way dey did with 1.6 including some features of 2.1. i feel SE will include some features of 2.2 in 2.1 update
Judging from past exeprience (X1), I doubt X10 will ever see Froyo (unless rooted of course)... We'll be lucky if we get 2.1 this year, knowing SE software upgrade practices I won't be surprised if 2.1 gets pushed for Q1 then Q2... 2011
And before we know - ups "the lifespan" of the device will end "Come and by our new X100 (or whatever)". Welcome to the world of Sony Ericsson!
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Judging from past exeprience (X1), I doubt X10 will ever see Froyo (unless rooted of course)... We'll be lucky if we get 2.1 this year, knowing SE software upgrade practices I won't be surprised if 2.1 gets pushed for Q1 then Q2... 2011
And before we know - ups "the lifespan" of the device will end "Come and by our new X100 (or whatever)". Welcome to the world of Sony Ericsson!
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Exactly!
How about getting the battery life to what was promised at time of sale? When to do we hear SE talk about this issue. And, since there is never any mention of what the planned life cycle is, it is like promising nothing! Political BS.
And, I would like to correct one other point someone mentioned. By the time the X10 gets 2.1, the standard will be 2.3 (not 2.2), and there is a massive difference.
And, how about the fact the flash 10.1 will only be compatible with 2.2 or higher?
Still hoping for 2.2 they should skip 2.1
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leobg said:
Judging from past exeprience (X1), I doubt X10 will ever see Froyo (unless rooted of course)... We'll be lucky if we get 2.1 this year, knowing SE software upgrade practices I won't be surprised if 2.1 gets pushed for Q1 then Q2... 2011
And before we know - ups "the lifespan" of the device will end "Come and by our new X100 (or whatever)". Welcome to the world of Sony Ericsson!
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Yeah, because HTC didn't just abandon the one year old HTC Magic, right?
Perspective people! It's not just SE... every company out there does this, and to think that some other company is going to be any better is deluding yourself.
Htc did a great job on the magic,with the sense ui ,i think they did a great job if you think of the hardware limitation this unit have.
i doubt X10 will sell much in India anyway.....the android platform hasnt taken over the apple market share yet.
much youngsters are still drawn to iphone 3gs.
anyway...i am waiting for updates.
main issues: Low in-call volume, poor battery life, limited functionality of timescape.
Yeah I had wanted to go to that round table conference. Take a bat and give some o the Sony execs a piece o my mind. How could the dev and execs of SE be.ok with releasing their flagship phone with an outdated OS. It's ridiculous! It's like putting ur ferrari in a race to be driven by your grandmother.
Man I hope root is achieved. I kinda like the stuff that SE has.done to make the phone different from the others. But I like better call.volume, flash support, better battery life, more RAM, auto flash, root requiring apps, etc more. So its going to be the vanilla froyo ftw for me.
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Yeah I had wanted to go to that round table conference. Take a bat and give some o the Sony execs a piece o my mind. How could the dev and execs of SE be.ok with releasing their flagship phone with an outdated OS. It's ridiculous! It's like putting ur ferrari in a race to be driven by your grandmother.
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You're so cute!
Hey, look at me, I'm a major international corporation! I have a product for sale! It has a slightly out of date operating system! Please don't buy our product! It's terrible that we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! We are a terrible company!
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Now, do you think Sony Ericsson is really going to come out and tell you "Yes, our phone sucks don't buy it"? Of course they're going to defend their choices, if they don't then it's called a marketing failure. No one's going to tell you their product sucks and still expect people to buy it.
iead1 said:
You're so cute!
Hey, look at me, I'm a major international corporation! I have a product for sale! It has a slightly out of date operating system! Please don't buy our product! It's terrible that we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! We are a terrible company!
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Now, do you think Sony Ericsson is really going to come out and tell you "Yes, our phone sucks don't buy it"? Of course they're going to defend their choices, if they don't then it's called a marketing failure. No one's going to tell you their product sucks and still expect people to buy it.
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First off, thanks for compliment. I hope ur a 22 year old, 5 8" smoking hot woman who didnt go dancing with her girlfriends tonight and instead sat her a** down in front of a computer to randomly comment on xda.
secondly, SE has historically always been flaky with providing upgrades for their phones. Although they say that they will support the x10, its almost a given that they wont stick to their timelines. Its been the case with every phone they've released.
thirdly, what are the functionalities that they've included in 1.6 that you speak of??? To have an OS that cannot support 16M colors when the hardware can? TO have an OS that cannot support more RAM than 256MB? To not have flash support for god knows how long considering we're only getting 2.1 in Q4 and we need 2.2 for flash support? To be left behind in Android market cause all new apps will be for 2.1 or 2.2? To not have auto flash on the camera which is supposedly a limitation of 1.6?
And lastly, I wasn't taking a dig at the marketers of the phone. its their job to sell the phone and from what I can gather, they seem to be doing a good job. What my peeve was about is that at the design and execution stage the devs and execs at SE should have made a conscious effort to put the best in their best phone. I dont care if the x10 had a marketing failure. Its specs are good enough for anyone to figure out the phone's brilliant. There was a strategy planning and execution failure for the x10 at SE and that's just not done when your company is worth 6.7 billion (at last count). It should've had 2.1 right from the get go considering other phones released before the x10 had 2.1 as stock.
So please, dont go running your mouth off if you dont know facts. Anyone who can see what the x10 is capable of will realize that its the OS thats keeping this phone back. I love the x series of SE. I've had them all. I just want my phone to be the best it can be, which it isn't right now.
and on side notes:
A) Android 1.6 isn't a SLIGHTLY outdated OS. Its outdated period. Especially since 2.2 is out and 2.3 at the end of the year.
B) "we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! "
a grandmom on steriods is still a grandmom on steroids.
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First off, thanks for compliment. I hope ur a 22 year old, 5 8" smoking hot woman who didnt go dancing with her girlfriends tonight and instead sat her a** down in front of a computer to randomly comment on xda.
secondly, SE has historically always been flaky with providing upgrades for their phones. Although they say that they will support the x10, its almost a given that they wont stick to their timelines. Its been the case with every phone they've released.
thirdly, what are the functionalities that they've included in 1.6 that you speak of??? To have an OS that cannot support 16M colors when the hardware can? TO have an OS that cannot support more RAM than 256MB? To not have flash support for god knows how long considering we're only getting 2.1 in Q4 and we need 2.2 for flash support? To be left behind in Android market cause all new apps will be for 2.1 or 2.2? To not have auto flash on the camera which is supposedly a limitation of 1.6?
And lastly, I wasn't taking a dig at the marketers of the phone. its their job to sell the phone and from what I can gather, they seem to be doing a good job. What my peeve was about is that at the design and execution stage the devs and execs at SE should have made a conscious effort to put the best in their best phone. I dont care if the x10 had a marketing failure. Its specs are good enough for anyone to figure out the phone's brilliant. There was a strategy planning and execution failure for the x10 at SE and that's just not done when your company is worth 6.7 billion (at last count). It should've had 2.1 right from the get go considering other phones released before the x10 had 2.1 as stock.
So please, dont go running your mouth off if you dont know facts. Anyone who can see what the x10 is capable of will realize that its the OS thats keeping this phone back. I love the x series of SE. I've had them all. I just want my phone to be the best it can be, which it isn't right now.
and on side notes:
A) Android 1.6 isn't a SLIGHTLY outdated OS. Its outdated period. Especially since 2.2 is out and 2.3 at the end of the year.
B) "we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! "
a grandmom on steriods is still a grandmom on steroids.
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First of all, you said you wanted to take a baseball bat to the Sony execs, so yes, you are taking a dig at the marketers of the phone. A pretty big, violent dig.
Second, I'm not just talking crap. Sony added a lot of stuff to 1.6 that didn't exist before, like the Camera app, Mediascape, and the custom dialer.
Third, and this is the biggest point of all, simply put, the phone was never, ever, ever, ever, ever advertised as having anything at all other than Android OS version 1.6. You can cry all you want about this point, but, if you bought this phone, you knew it coming in. If there's something you wanted that was 2.1 specific, you should have went for a phone that had 2.1 preinstalled. It was known for months that the phone would release with 1.6.
It's this last point that really just boggles my mind. I don't understand people who buy something, knowing 100% of it's capabilities, then ***** when it doesn't do something it wasn't advertised as being able to do. It's like buying a Toyota Prius, knowing it's a Toyota Prius, then complaining after you buy it that it doesn't perform like a Ferrari. If you wanted something that performed like a Ferrari, you should have bought the Ferrari.
The phone can be "better." Anything can be "better", but for what was advertised, it's as good as it was made out to be.
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1.6 is only "slightly" outdated. It was released September 16, 2009. In the time between then and now, only one update has been officially released. At the release of the phone, the 1.6 was only about 7 months old. It's not Sony's fault that Google pushes out new updates faster than manufacturers can handle them.
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secondly, SE has historically always been flaky with providing upgrades for their phones. Although they say that they will support the x10, its almost a given that they wont stick to their timelines. Its been the case with every phone they've released.
thirdly, what are the functionalities that they've included in 1.6 that you speak of??? To have an OS that cannot support 16M colors when the hardware can? TO have an OS that cannot support more RAM than 256MB? To not have flash support for god knows how long considering we're only getting 2.1 in Q4 and we need 2.2 for flash support? To be left behind in Android market cause all new apps will be for 2.1 or 2.2? To not have auto flash on the camera which is supposedly a limitation of 1.6?
And lastly, I wasn't taking a dig at the marketers of the phone. its their job to sell the phone and from what I can gather, they seem to be doing a good job. What my peeve was about is that at the design and execution stage the devs and execs at SE should have made a conscious effort to put the best in their best phone. I dont care if the x10 had a marketing failure. Its specs are good enough for anyone to figure out the phone's brilliant. There was a strategy planning and execution failure for the x10 at SE and that's just not done when your company is worth 6.7 billion (at last count). It should've had 2.1 right from the get go considering other phones released before the x10 had 2.1 as stock.
So please, dont go running your mouth off if you dont know facts. Anyone who can see what the x10 is capable of will realize that its the OS thats keeping this phone back. I love the x series of SE. I've had them all. I just want my phone to be the best it can be, which it isn't right now.
and on side notes:
A) Android 1.6 isn't a SLIGHTLY outdated OS. Its outdated period. Especially since 2.2 is out and 2.3 at the end of the year.
B) "we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! "
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idiots will always be idiots, people like you would always complain and not think.
1) X10 was announced a month+ after Android 1.6 was released, 2.1 was released in january, X10 having the hardware better than the OS given shows that it's having the possibilities of having updates in the future.
Though they could have just scraped 1.6 and go for 2.1, but they wouldn't be able to keep what they promised for the consumers, namely the release date of X10, a near-somewhat stable version of UX adapted for 2.1 (tho it was still unstable for 1.6 but later on improved in minor updates) as well as timescape and mediascape, these might not be important to you but if they're not you might have gone for HTC instead (which makes me wonder why on earth you'd go for X10 if not for their unique UX and apps).
2) As big as a company can get, they wouldn't be able to have some of their resources to work only for constantly updating X10 for every new version of Android OS released by Google (1.6 - september, 2.1 - january, 2.2 - may) as SE has other phones to work on as well (for new, old, unannounced products etc)
before you go on talking about HTC manages to pull that off, answer me this, how many android phones were announced/released by HTC from early 2010 until now? at the rate they're in, do you think they'll support the old phones constantly with updates? I bet they'll keep on releasing android smartphones with the latest firmware and leave the old products to dry after an update or 2. SE on the other hand told us that they're trying to have X10 to have a long life-cycle (as late as the update may be)
as for your sidenote
A) 1.6 IS slightly outdated, it's been out since september 2009 and as I said, Android OS seems to have a life-expectancy of 4-5 months, majority of Android phones would be outdated every 4-5 months as well following your logic.
How about the Droid getting 2.2 today.
Hello everyone,
This is my first posting on XDA developers thought i've been following the community for quite some time as its helped me with a lot of my other phones in the past.
Eclair is probably going to be the last major release for the Experia 10 family. Froyo was originally being considered to be released in August but unfortunately change of management that occurred several times last year and this year kept changing, ending and starting new project all over the place at SE.
Eclair has been ready for some time to be released and the past few months has been a constant battle to get people to agree to release Froyo instead of Eclair.
Long story short, Froyo is a no go and Eclair is what is being released. It is currently being pushed out to the various operators for branding.
Furthermore, future Android releases will be customized for future phones and not the X10i, X10 mini/pro
these days it is so easy to say something with out proof!!
If you believe it or not that is your own choice. I'm not making claims that SE will release anything any time soon. Rather im saying that they wont!
Which is the major difference here. The fact that I posted on here today is because I got fed up of everything that is going on in the office.
Its not that 2.2 cant be released its that they just simply wont release it.
do you work at se?
yeah like you say. it's your first post. and you speak like a se spokesperson or something lol
unless you are an insider, i don't know how you'd be able to say what you said with 100% certainty.
but we are not waiting for SE to release an update!!
we are waiting for our dev!!
yes... and yes...
Bull**** in my ass. SE will relese 2.2 in end of Q4 2010 or Q1 2011. Got it from SE in Sweden.
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HAHA...great, now we have 2 unsubstantiated claims about Froyo.
Skepticism aside, the argument as presented here makes sense. Hopefully it's a mistake or troll but anyone who's seen corporate politics up close will be all too familiar with events like these.
So if true: Thanks for the information. If it's not: Eff off you trolling low-life.
If things turn out this way it's an even bigger reason to crack the bootloader or for SE to release a warranty-voiding unlocked loader.
Well,
Seeing as I work at SE on the SE DEV team in Sweden I would like to think that the information I have is fresh off the press so to say.
The information you have with regards to 2.2 being released in Q4 maybe Q1 was the original plan yes.
But you enjoy that update when it comes out FreeKill.
Thanks ddewbofh,
I didn't expect people to be so offensive in their response when information is being given and not about an amazing even rather about an upsetting set of news.
I have more confidence in Cyanogenmod will be available to x10i rather than an official Froyo release.
In principle, you should be able to flash Froyo that is provided by google directly. There are 2 major things stopping you from doing that.
1. The phones that the public has are flagged as "Red" for retail phones and the dev phones are flagged as brown... please don't ask why those colors.
This means that even if I were to get a phone from one of the stores take it back into the office and try to flash it with our own tools then it wont work.
2. The modem software that is provided by the general release from Google does not work on the x10i phones.
However, once the bootloader is cracked you can always grab the modem package from a dump and included to the general release.
so, do you have a access to engineering bootloader?
Well, needless to say if you were to leak a copy of your tools we could get it working given a little time
Just out of interest you say "flagged" is that a software or hardware flag?
So since its already ready so to speak...
Im sure a copy leaked underground wont hurt anyone ...
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I know about the colours... dont you have a tool to change the certificates from retail to dev?
Also there must be a modem tool out there that you know of that could possible work...
Well, it's going to be SE's choice.
If their corporate bull**** is going to screw their customers, they will move on. Hell, I know at least 5 persons who sold their X10 for a shiny new SGS, even when the X10's hardware is far superior than the SGS (Not talking about actual performance, but overall hardware obviously)
It would be a pitty, really. For the people like me who live in a country where your only option is to use an unlocked phone, because our carriers do not have a different kind of option, the X10 is the best Android handset in the market for the right price.
Sure, the SGS has better hardware performance, but it also cost almost twice as much as the X10 around here... and the other HTC stuff can't compete with the X10 as a whole package (Camera, picture quality, LCD, media player, sound quality)
I don't know why is so hard for SE to excel. To let their customers, and the other manufacturers know that the brand is best of the best. That they are going to give their product the best it can handle, until it can't handle it anymore (Like Gingerbread, for example) like HTC does. Shame that I don't like HTC handsets, the build quality is crap, the camera and sound quality are even worse... they only work as a cell phone, not as a whole multimedia package, like the X10.
If this is real, then the X10 will be my last SE phone. I stopped using them after ALL their phones became crap after the glorious w810i. This is my first SE phone in 4 years after having SE phones only, and would be my last if they let me down again.
I agree. You're potentially lost you're job anyway.
You might aswell hand over the goods. You, as a dev, woulda understand that Android is meant to be open source; Therefor you should have no quams in providing a more positive outlook on a product you have worked hard on.
Or just throw it all into that other ugly phone. Just sayin'
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EDIT: Just out of curiosity, you say you have been watching this forum did a while. What was the general consensus when you informed your team the X10 was rooted? I'm merely curious as to your stand point on locking the phone down so much.
SELeak, if this information is true and our only hope for Froyo/Gingerbread is through cracking the bootloader, how about some more "insider information" on how we could get this done? If you really wanna help the community, help us get through Sony's "let's protect everything because we're paranoid" bootloader.
first of, big thanks to SELeak for sharing his info
i think if you were to share more in-depth info about the bootloader etc, you should contact the team that made the root for x10 possible, if you are willing, contact me on PM, i will give you the info how to get in direct contact with somebody from the team, if they have't contacted you already
best regards
Your title might also be taken as misleading, as Froyo is not a "major release" per say. Version 2.1 to 2.2 is a minor release in my book.
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Hello everyone,
This is my first posting on XDA developers thought i've been following the community for quite some time as its helped me with a lot of my other phones in the past.
Eclair is probably going to be the last major release for the Experia 10 family. Froyo was originally being considered to be released in August but unfortunately change of management that occurred several times last year and this year kept changing, ending and starting new project all over the place at SE.
Eclair has been ready for some time to be released and the past few months has been a constant battle to get people to agree to release Froyo instead of Eclair.
Long story short, Froyo is a no go and Eclair is what is being released. It is currently being pushed out to the various operators for branding.
Furthermore, future Android releases will be customized for future phones and not the X10i, X10 mini/pro
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SELeak, if this information is true and our only hope for Froyo/Gingerbread is through cracking the bootloader, how about some more "insider information" on how we could get this done? If you really wanna help the community, help us get through Sony's "let's protect everything because we're paranoid" bootloader.
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+10
SELeak, if you do in fact work for SE development, the community here would very much appreciate any assistance you could give in helping to crack the bootloader.
However, as it stands this thread really doesn't belong in the Android Development forum, as it isn't directly contributing to Android development on the X10.
Source: http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/22/sony-ericssons-ceo-promises-big-surprises-in-the-next-few-mont/
That jackass... you want to bet they are officially announcing no more updates for X10 after this year
well i read somewhere yesterday that SE is planning to provide updates to the X10 throughout its lifespan so that the phone is not antiquated easily.
now i wonder what is the lifespan of x10 according to SE..!!
Maybe this is where they announce the release of a future device with a new design and actual up to date software?
Yes its going to be called the psphone
Grand opening and he is drunk?
Mmmm are we getting android 3 before psp2?
Sucks for psp department, cos se are lazy ass.
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Could possibly be an SE WP7 phone and/or a new android phone. Could be the 'rumoured' Xperia X11 and Xperia X12. Would hope there is continued support for the X10 announced regardless of what happens.
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Sweeeeeet!!!!!
How about skipping the conspiracy theories?
An X12 (or whatever they'll call the +1 version) preview would seem likely or perhaps even an updated roadmap for the year 2011. All nay-sayers seem to enjoy that we haven't gotten any info about Froyo and use the 2010 roadmap to support their thesis that we won't get it at all.
But on the other hand you can take the "SE is not pure evil" route and consider that the 2.2 kernel was trickier than anticipated to port and thus delayed. It's not impossible that we could get Froyo in 2011 and shipping that in 1H 2011 could be considered a big thing.
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How about skipping the conspiracy theories?
An X12 (or whatever they'll call the +1 version) preview would seem likely or perhaps even an updated roadmap for the year 2011. All nay-sayers seem to enjoy that we haven't gotten any info about Froyo and use the 2010 roadmap to support their thesis that we won't get it at all.
But on the other hand you can take the "SE is not pure evil" route and consider that the 2.2 kernel was trickier than anticipated to port and thus delayed. It's not impossible that we could get Froyo in 2011 and shipping that in 1H 2011 could be considered a big thing.
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Pretty certain there's a SE Win Phone 7... that should be one of the surprises
And then there's the rumoured PSPhone, and who knows... an X10 tab LOL
ddewbofh said:
How about skipping the conspiracy theories?
An X12 (or whatever they'll call the +1 version) preview would seem likely or perhaps even an updated roadmap for the year 2011. All nay-sayers seem to enjoy that we haven't gotten any info about Froyo and use the 2010 roadmap to support their thesis that we won't get it at all.
But on the other hand you can take the "SE is not pure evil" route and consider that the 2.2 kernel was trickier than anticipated to port and thus delayed. It's not impossible that we could get Froyo in 2011 and shipping that in 1H 2011 could be considered a big thing.
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Exactly.
I think that SE may have got their act together (in thinking about software as well as hardware), and are maybe waiting to update to the next android revision (2.2+) or they've had problems with porting froyo, as you say.
But I think that they will also release newer phones around march to halfway through next year, that'll be announced in the next few months.
I think the X10 is supposed to have a 2 year lifespan... No?
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I think the X10 is supposed to have a 2 year lifespan... No?
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i hope for a longer one...!!
I just LOVE this phone..!! not more than my lappy though.
HunteronX said:
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But I think that they will also release newer phones around march to halfway through next year, that'll be announced in the next few months.
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they definately will and lets hope the x10 gets supported longer than what most ppl think...!!
I would be willing to bet that they will announce the release of their latest must have device. It will be such a draw that X10 owners will forget that they are still waiting for their revision to be completed. We will all rush to have this new must have device with nearly all the bells and whistles. Only, we will have to wait a bit longer for a software revision that will take, oh about forever, or just long enough for SE to announce their next latest and greatest. Which will also make you forget that you are still waiting for your current devices revision. and so on, and so on, and so on.
This is like da ja vue.
It is starting to bare more than a strong resemblance to what happened to me with the P900, P910, and X1.
The cynic in me says hey, we cant update the x10 as we thought so chuck out a new model for our loyal customers to buy...... i only had mine cos voda said new firmware sept. Oh bugger nuts!
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fm1776 said:
I would be willing to bet that they will announce the release of their latest must have device. It will be such a draw that X10 owners will forget that they are still waiting for their revision to be completed. We will all rush to have this new must have device with nearly all the bells and whistles. Only, we will have to wait a bit longer for a software revision that will take, oh about forever, or just long enough for SE to announce their next latest and greatest. Which will also make you forget that you are still waiting for your current devices revision. and so on, and so on, and so on.
This is like da ja vue.
It is starting to bare more than a strong resemblance to what happened to me with the P900, P910, and X1.
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If that happened to you with the P900,why buy the P910 and the X1, and then the X10?
And why tell us not to buy SE when you did buy,and you will continue to buy SE products?
MAN... you are strange
Experience says "Whats Surprising to SE, may be an old news to the rest of the world!"
berbecverde said:
If that happened to you with the P900,why buy the P910 and the X1, and then the X10?
And why tell us not to buy SE when you did buy,and you will continue to buy SE products?
MAN... you are strange
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I know. Believe me looking back I feel pretty silly.
Edit- Sorry, to answer you question. I actually might, if it were truly great. But believe me I would wait several months for the product to be tested by the market, and only if the device is release as planned. No more broken promises. I would rather have a lesser device with a company that is more straight forward!
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Experience says "Whats Surprising to SE, may be an old news to the rest of the world!"
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LOL..!!
seems to be that way since long time...!!
I predict WP7 devices, some feature phones and two new android phones that will look amazing and have everyone thinking about them until they come out at the end of 2011 once every other manufacturer has surpassed any glitzy features they came up with to make you want them now.
Does this sound familiar?
At the moment I'm interested in what they will do for their next hardware. I've got my x10 and as much as I'm frustrated at the way its been produced and the laughable software updates i still like it so much more than my HTC Touch Diamond.
Its clear that wanting to level with the other android devices simply isn't going to happen so lets all get on with waiting out our contracts and hope the next SE android device really kicks ass.
SE is sitting on the key brands that make a top multimedia device and simply needs to stop holding back on features from the Cybershot and Walkman brand rather than coming up with the smoke and mirrors of Timescape and Mediascape. If these apps must continue to be part of the Xperia line then have them as apps instead of welded in bloatware.
I wish there was some way of making sure that this happened but it seems that we can petition and moan on blogs and forums until we're blue in the fingers but in the end SE will do whatever they want and that tends to have nothing to do with what we the Geek consumer wants.
I'll stay hopeful.
"Most truths we're once deemed blasphemies"
** This is a debate thread, I'm not talking of lawsuit... yet **
Guys, I'm thinking about something since SE officially said the current XPERIA phones will be abandonned.
Let's figure this :
1. Sony Ericsson is officially abandonning us ;
2. We have here (and on other fora) a strong community of users, and capable developers in every domain (kernel, graphics, etc etc). Each of us can help in any domain related (programming, graphics, bug report, help for newbies, etc etc etc)
Regarding these, we should try to make together kind of "class action", to force SE to give us what we need for further development.
It can become a "real" class-action, it can be a petition, etc etc, all ideas are welcome.
The request must include, and for ALL current abandonned XPERIA phones (X10, x10 mini, x10 mini pro, x8) :
- Kernel source code (we almost got it)
- Bootloader source-code with no encryption or generic unencrypted bootloader
- All source code drivers
- All source code for the preinstalled apps in the last realease (2.1)
- All original graphics
- All source code for SE upcoming "patches" (as multitouch-like one).
- Anything else needed for future support I may forget here (please tell).
This will allow us to continue development on our XPERIAs. And we'll need these, because if we don't get them, even our community won't be able to do great things... If we got such things, we'd be able to run our phones on 2.2 and now 2.3 with no problem -- and look how it is today : we can, but very buggy because we start from nothing.
So I ask everybody to join our strengh and do something to get all we need to keep our XPERIAs alive !!!
Our phones are not even 1 year old, so please don't let all of us alone. I also strongly encourage to tell everyone who is concerned about this (we need as many people as we can to force Sony-Ericsson) : other fora, people you know, blogs, etc etc... If we don't do anything, our phones are good for trash.
THANKS IN ADVANCE !
Sorry, but this is positively silly.
They will not give you *anything* that they're not legally entitled to (which I think is only the code for the OS, which they already do).
And do you mean class-action as a lawsuit? If so, it's a positively worthlesss endeavor. All that will happen is that some lawyers will get rich and you'll get a 5$ off coupon the next Sony-Ericsson.
Bootloader is proprietary. They're probably using this same bootloader for the upcoming phones and the generations after. They're not going to hand over the keys.
Drivers are also proprietary. A lot of times, code for the drivers are licensed by the manufacturer, so even if SE wanted to 'give it away', they couldn't. Look at the openmoko phone and their driver issues since their inception (2004?).
Source code for preinstalled apps? Like moxier and creatatouch? First, they probably license these apps either from other developers or an in-house studio. Why would anyone want any of these softwares in the first place?
Graphics? I think the community can come up with better and isn't it pretty easy to rip the graphics?
All upcoming patches? Seriously? Why do any work at all at this point? the multitouch 'patch' is actually an updated driver.
Petitions and the like aren't going to do anything. If you're upset, then write a letter to SE. Not e-mail, but letters. Don't buy future SE phones and dissuade others from doing so. Learn cryptography and do a fault based attack on the RSA encryption scheme used to unlock the bootloader. Hell, get a job for SE and steal everything, lol (that last one is a joke... very big crime). SE knows people are pissed but they don't see it as financially beneficial to do any future major updates (major as in kernel change or substantial usability change). Let them ignore the long term outlook by pissing off their current users.
Seriously, these stupid threads have got to stop.
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Sorry, but this is positively silly.
They will not give you *anything* that they're not legally entitled to (which I think is only the code for the OS, which they already do).
And do you mean class-action as a lawsuit? If so, it's a positively worthlesss endeavor. All that will happen is that some lawyers will get rich and you'll get a 5$ off coupon the next Sony-Ericsson.
Bootloader is proprietary. They're probably using this same bootloader for the upcoming phones and the generations after. They're not going to hand over the keys.
Drivers are also proprietary. A lot of times, code for the drivers are licensed by the manufacturer, so even if SE wanted to 'give it away', they couldn't. Look at the openmoko phone and their driver issues since their inception (2004?).
Source code for preinstalled apps? Like moxier and creatatouch? First, they probably license these apps either from other developers or an in-house studio. Why would anyone want any of these softwares in the first place?
Graphics? I think the community can come up with better and isn't it pretty easy to rip the graphics?
All upcoming patches? Seriously? Why do any work at all at this point? the multitouch 'patch' is actually an updated driver.
Petitions and the like aren't going to do anything. If you're upset, then write a letter to SE. Not e-mail, but letters. Don't buy future SE phones and dissuade others from doing so. Learn cryptography and do a fault based attack on the RSA encryption scheme used to unlock the bootloader. Hell, get a job for SE and steal everything, lol (that last one is a joke... very big crime). SE knows people are pissed but they don't see it as financially beneficial to do any future major updates (major as in kernel change or substantial usability change). Let them ignore the long term outlook by pissing off their current users.
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I have to agree on this,
SE is not abandoning any customers, but they look at things in terms of financial benefit, they will not obey to any demands from anyone.
so there is no point of starting threads like since it will not change anything.
i have still not seen anything official from sony that they are abandoning the x10 series....
FYI, they've release 4 updates in less than a month's time. this is typically not actions of a company abondoning a product line.
Facebook 10 hours ago -
Hi Harman and Jenthe,
We have recently decided to not step up to Android 2.2 or 2.3 for Xperia X10. Our software developers have made this decision based on their opinion saying that a step-up would not enhance the overall user experience. Xperia X10 operates at it's best on Android 2.1.
I'm sorry if you feel this way Jenthe. It's not our intent to make our users unhappy of course.
We will however not abandon this phone. We will keep developing on 2.1 and multi touch / pinch zoom is planned to be released in a coming update for Xperia X10.
You can read more about this in this post,
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2010/11/17/work-ongoing-on-pinch-zoom-for-xperia-x10/
-Markus
Sony Ericsson Answers Team
--i feel an official annoucement is close---
uh, you seriously trust something something posted by someone on "the answer team"?
you do realize that these people are basically the same as call center workers, right?
x10 official support forum
Hello Everyone,
My message here is purely one of acknowledgement. We understand your anger, we see your obvious frustration, and we are certainly saddened by your new impressions of our company and products.
I won't repeat any of the comments from my colleagues on our Blog, Facebook, or Twitter. You've seen it all before.
We are here, we are listening, we are working hard to make sure we can impress you in the future if you chose us again.
-Martha
Sony Ericsson Answers Team
it evens sounds like there backtracking the 2 year support too with ...
Hi,
Really quick: We have stated we typically support devices for UP TO 2 years after launch.
This obviously applies to the date of first launch in whatever country it's available in first.
The key here is "up to", if I remember correctly, you mentioned Nokia does the same thing
http://talk.sonyericsson.com/message/45612#45612
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It did at one point states we would support phones for "up to 2 years after launch" at www.sonyericsson.com/update. This was changed some time ago
http://talk.sonyericsson.com/message/45612#45612
i really hope your right and these customer service advisers aint got the foggiest but the message is getting out there by facebook, twitter, and the support forums.
Sony wouldnt even give permission to the World of Spectrum site to release old ZX Spectrum games and the Spectrum was abandoned nearly 20 years ago. No hope im afraid.
I am as p*ssed as the next guy, but this is getting silly.
Petitions are one thing, it expresses our annoyance, but this?!?!?!?
A step too far.
I won't even bother explaining why as I can't be arsed to be honest.
Sod SE, let our devs do it instead, they obviously have the skills lacking by SE.
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I see that someone can actually read others posts, as I was the one who originally posted about a 'class action', and that was only to get Android 2.2 on our phones, as SE in Turkey had previously released an Email saying they were working on, and would release 2.2! I'm sure you know that SE released another email soon after, saying that SE Turkey had made a mistake and 2.2 would not be released on the X10.
Thread post can be read here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10527595#post10527595 post 163
Just because they are not updating the x10 to 2.2 doesn't mean they have abandoned us. Just like the multi-touch update, there will probably be more enhancements to 2.1
Lee1972 said:
Sony wouldnt even give permission to the World of Spectrum site to release old ZX Spectrum games and the Spectrum was abandoned nearly 20 years ago. No hope im afraid.
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thats because they're selling these games at PlayStation Store for PS3 now...
Buisness is buisness as they say.
Nothing we can do about it OP
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thats because they're selling these games at PlayStation Store for PS3 now...
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The actual Spectrum games or remakes? Theres around 8 Spectrum games Sony refused WOS to free distribution, the originals would look crap on a phone let alone PS3!
All x10 users should get upgrades to an arc for no more than 100 dollars as soon as its available for being delt such a lacking smartphone. Haha
Meaning SE should do this for us to make things up to us.
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mrljlamon said:
All x10 users should get upgrades to an arc for no more than 100 dollars as soon as its available for being delt such a lacking smartphone. Haha
Meaning SE should do this for us to make things up to us.
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Realistically, SE doesn't really owe us anything, and I promise that they are not going to give you anything either.
Even if a bunch of you swore off SE phones, they would still be alright, and it would cost them more to give us all rebates than it would to just try for a new customer base.
Good luck with that though,
Also this thread is ridiculous. No one is getting anything
Guys, please note I didn't talk of class-action, I'm talking about a "class-action" move : what I mean is not to do something penal (but it can be), but it is to join all users and see together what we can do.
Because of course Sony won't listen if there are only 1, 10 or 10 000 people complaining a bit, and much more users are shocked by what SE is doing, and if we don't complain enough, we are just SE sheeps...
Guys, sorry, I'm coming from iPhone branch of Apple, and I do know now how we get f***ed simply to promote new models - by "deleting" old ones. You really think SE will keep its 2 year maintenance ? I'd love to think so, but it's very usual to prepare one or two coming updates to make you feel you're not left over, but once your angriness is away, they abandon. Remember some sites note EOL will probably be announced starting from march...
Remember also Android 2.1 is not the last release and with upcoming 3.0 (anyone can say it's compatible or not, another debate) our OS is going older and older with no hardware reason -- we're currently just missing things like Flash, App2SD, but it will become soon a major problem as more and more apps/functionnalities won't be compatible.
So the idea is to ask SE for sources as their "perfect 2.1" is a dead-end for our phones -- and we all know they can operate very fine with -at least- 2.3.
I'm maybe silly but I've spent three months for buying my x10i and I won't let SE do what Apple is doing...
Visspui said:
Realistically, SE doesn't really owe us anything, and I promise that they are not going to give you anything either.
Even if a bunch of you swore off SE phones, they would still be alright, and it would cost them more to give us all rebates than it would to just try for a new customer base.
Good luck with that though,
Also this thread is ridiculous. No one is getting anything
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I can't see the reason why they should do such thing, especially since they have done nothing wrong...
as you said, they owe us nothing
and true, this thread is ridiculous