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App Request. Urgent Devs!! [Humor]

Since I got my Xperia X10, I have been following xda forum quiet regularly. I started to notice a trend in the posts of Xperia X10 threads. This trend is commonly known as Kubler-Ross model or "5 stages of grief".
1st Stage: Denial- "No we have Multitouch..........it just needs to be rooted"
2nd Stage: Anger- "F** SE, A**h**e SE, I will never buy their products etc...."
3rd Stage: Bargaining- "OK if Paul starts working on it then we can have the root"
4th Stage: Depression- "I will not be fooled by SE again, going to HTC next time...." or "Iphone has a good operating system"
5th Stage: Aceptance-"Well it does what the box says......"
I am currently between 3 and 4, but there are lots of ppl in stage 2. And they are cursing each other in Android Developement thread. I am not sure how much developement has been done but I can see very well the stages of grief going on. This is becoming a serious issue now
I think the dev should just stop whatever they are doing and make an app, which just say "Everything is OK, it's JUST a phone".
Non devs please state your stage of grief. Only by consulting and more discussing about your stage of grief, will make you feel better. So please write your stage and how many time you click on refresh and how is this effecting your life

Hi, my name is Bikram. I press the refresh buttom atleast 4 times within an hour. This is making me unproductive at job.

rofl, I can't believe i just read that post. stage 3

isn't it an achievement SE made this trend?
since it's not happening anywhere but SE thread so i am supposed this is SE problem not we user
anyway i am 2,3,4

Hi, I'm thunderpossum, and I'm a stage 5 refreshaholic.
Boredom is what keeps me coming back.
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haha, great thread!
i'm at a quasi-state 4. I'm still an SE fan, but since I'm with T-Mobile and need a good Android with the 1700 band, I'm getting my first non-SE phone ever, and picking up a Nexus One.
If SE learns from it's mistakes about skimping on hardware and taking ages for software updates, and makes a good X10 successor, I'll be more than happy to give SE another shot.

pakraider said:
haha, great thread!
i'm at a quasi-state 4. I'm still an SE fan, but since I'm with T-Mobile and need a good Android with the 1700 band, I'm getting my first non-SE phone ever, and picking up a Nexus One.
If SE learns from it's mistakes about skimping on hardware and taking ages for software updates, and makes a good X10 successor, I'll be more than happy to give SE another shot.
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forget it man. how could you expect they will do better next time while they messed up like this at the moment?=..=

gaolinde said:
forget it man. how could you expect they will do better next time while they messed up like this at the moment?=..=
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You might be right, but let's be honest--if (a big if) SE decided to change it's frustrating ways and really knock it out of the park on a future Android phone, won't all of us be flocking to get it and flaunting our SE fan credentials?
I'll stay an SE fan, but with Froyo out and Gingerbread coming in Q4, and Nexus One being a rooted and well supported phone, I have to put practicalities above brand loyalty when it comes to shelling out $500+.

I'm between 4 & 5. Accepting its comfortably the best phone i ever owned. With equal measure of annoyance that SE have ' gone dark' on us. Ace thread by the way!
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pakraider said:
You might be right, but let's be honest--if (a big if) SE decided to change it's frustrating ways and really knock it out of the park on a future Android phone, won't all of us be flocking to get it and flaunting our SE fan credentials?
I'll stay an SE fan, but with Froyo out and Gingerbread coming in Q4, and Nexus One being a rooted and well supported phone, I have to put practicalities above brand loyalty when it comes to shelling out $500+.
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i have no idea how much time you been frustrating with SE but for me i already experienced on w960 and x1 now x10 is the third time they made a nice looking and decent hardware device out of the competition because they took a hell of long time to develope their horrible os before they launch the product and have no problem giving their so called flagship product out there with unbearable cripple which is cause by software issue.
so if you ask me do i think they will do it again the next time?
i think they'll not even hesitate to do so!

I guess there is another stage after 5 for ppl waiting 2.2 and other cool things that can make x10 the perfect phone
Mugur
http://mugur-ionescu.ro/tag/xperia

I think i skiped all those stages, I've been a long term fan of SE and accept them even with their many failings! As for the x10 i love it, its been a while since i've had a touch screen phone (had a p900 then went to candybar phones for a while) so i'm enjoying being back and having a weath of apps at my fingertips. I bought the phone fully aware that it was 1.6 and that SE said it would be in q4 before the big update comes (which I take to mean 'at some time after q4', I've been with se way too long to beleive a definate when they give it!) so i'm happy with my purchase.
As for issues and bugs its had this is all standard stuff with a new anything, especially when its something new for the company too, its something you have to accept as an alpha consumer otherwise you will drive yourself mad with frustration!

Stage two and I'm sending the bill for my anger management classes to SE lol. I hit refresh more times than I can count in a day (at least a dozen times during my morning b m). I need help, I'm going to go for addictions counselling tomorrow. They think I need to go through the 12 step program. It's just hard admitting I have a problem.
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Well, i'm probably stage 5 from the beginning.
I knew what i'll buy.
What i don't like about SE?
They are slow as a donkey riding a pig.
What i don't like about N1? Is made by HTC.
What i don't like about HTC? Well, is HTC.
I wish i could buy the Motoroi or Galaxy S had at least a flash light like X10

oh crap, looks like I hit stage 4, I was actually impressed with apples updates in ios4 I can't believe I actually considered owning one of those useless idevices again

stage 4 ,but i already have htc phone but windows os not android (hd2)

I know full well what to expect from SE after owning the X1 and X2. The X2 is on it's way back now and I am getting an x10 in return. Heck if I could get my money back I would! However, the X10 is one sexy looking phone, you gotta give it that.
I did a lot of research on what the X10 can and can't do, and I am prepared for that, so I wont get angry. Trust me, it's nothing compared to MR1 on the X2... ugh! I would have gone with another brand based on that alone, but we can only hope the updates come complete and pre-tested for the X10. After the mess they made on the X2, I am sure they want to take their time to release the latest updates.
Multi touch? who knows, maybe SE is limiting multi touch on purpose to keep Apple off their lawsuit radar

I have been in stage 5 since a month before i even got it, couse, like iv'e said on several threads here hating everyting, i knew what i was paying for couse i did my homework. And one can not just assume root comes to every device. I happy with my phone, yet though i am starting to get really confused about the so called "may upgrade" and will it contain onefinger-pinch-zoom? I hope so. Cheers!
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I am happily on 5th stage, right after the 1st stage.
I skipped the 3 stages in between, as they would ruin my mojo!!!

Sony Ericsson bats bravely for Android 1.6

It is not every day that a cellphone manufacturer sets out its stall to defend an older operating system. Well, that is exactly what Sony Ericsson did at a press briefing (or discussion, as they preferred to call it) in Delhi yesterday as it tried to explain to selected members of the press why Android 1.6 was not too far behind Android 2.1 and even 2.2. The reason for this faith in the older version of Android is simple – Sony Ericsson has no fewer than three devices (the Xperia X10, the X10 mini and the X10 mini pro) running on the platform.
Sony Ericsson’s argument was that while there was no doubting that the devices ran on an older version of Android, the company had company had done more than enough to include features in its UI (called UIX) to make it comparable with newer versions of the OS. Features like better camera controls, Timescape, Mediascape and improved media players, claimed the company brought the X10 range of devices very close to anything that Android 2.1 devices could deliver. With the exception of multi-touch, as one gentleman from the company added. What’s more, while a major update to the X10 would take it up to Android 2.1 later this year, there would also be a number of smaller tweaks that would continue improving the user experience (such as allowing them to use Timescape without going to the device’s browser, and improvements to the browser itself) on the device, beginning with an update coming in a couple of weeks.
For all the company’s claims, however, it was difficult not to feel a tinge of regret that all the hard work put into the interface layer had not gone into Android 2.1, which all said and done, is a few streets ahead of 1.6 in terms of appearance and performance. Especially when one considers the fact that the X10 was rolled out well after (almost four months after) the Motorola Droid/Milestone which was already running Android 2.0 (later updated to 2.1). Yes, there is no doubting that Sony Ericsson has done a lot with Android 1.6, more perhaps than any cellphone manufacturer, but there is also no doubting the fact that its decision to choose 1.6 rather than a newer version of Android on one of the most powerful configurations seen on a smartphone was more than a little befuddling. The company executives can rail on about the fact that “user experience is more important than the version of the OS” (yes, one of them actually said that) and the fact that the “X10 performs as well if not better than any device running Android 2.1, with the exception of multi-touch” (yes, that was said too), but these claims are undermined by the fact that a person who pays a premium price for a handset expects it to be running the latest software in town. And heck, if 1.6 was SO hot, why on earth is Sony Ericsson itself working on an update to 2.1?
It was a brave innings by Sony Ericsson for Android 1.6, but alas, it was in a losing cause. There is no doubt that the X10 is one of the best Android 1.6 devices in town, but it would have perhaps been the best smartphone in the world had it run 2.1. And by the time it does get down to running 2.1, the Android world would have perhaps moved on to 2.2 and beyond. Time and updates wait for no one in the tech world, not even Sony Ericsson.
This happened recently in india,Sony Ericsson organised a Round Table Android Meet where they were to discuss about there Android commitment.
Sony Ericsson India also said that , they are Committed to Providing Updates to Xperia X10 throughout it’s Lifecylce.
here is da link http://onlygizmos.com/sony-ericsson-bats-bravely-for-android-1-6/2010/06/

there would also be a number of smaller tweaks that would continue improving the user experience (such as allowing them to use Timescape without going to the device’s browser, and improvements to the browser itself) on the device, beginning with an update coming in a couple of weeks.
this really looks promising..i guess SE r really improving da overall UI..doing everything inside timescape looks very promising indeed...i hope dey roll da update soon

Look what froyo adds to the table for android. 2.1 update might be big for SE but the standard by then will be 2.2. Again with the catch up game.
Not a good sign at all from SE.
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Like da way dey did with 1.6 including some features of 2.1. i feel SE will include some features of 2.2 in 2.1 update

Judging from past exeprience (X1), I doubt X10 will ever see Froyo (unless rooted of course)... We'll be lucky if we get 2.1 this year, knowing SE software upgrade practices I won't be surprised if 2.1 gets pushed for Q1 then Q2... 2011
And before we know - ups "the lifespan" of the device will end "Come and by our new X100 (or whatever)". Welcome to the world of Sony Ericsson!

leobg said:
Judging from past exeprience (X1), I doubt X10 will ever see Froyo (unless rooted of course)... We'll be lucky if we get 2.1 this year, knowing SE software upgrade practices I won't be surprised if 2.1 gets pushed for Q1 then Q2... 2011
And before we know - ups "the lifespan" of the device will end "Come and by our new X100 (or whatever)". Welcome to the world of Sony Ericsson!
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Exactly!
How about getting the battery life to what was promised at time of sale? When to do we hear SE talk about this issue. And, since there is never any mention of what the planned life cycle is, it is like promising nothing! Political BS.
And, I would like to correct one other point someone mentioned. By the time the X10 gets 2.1, the standard will be 2.3 (not 2.2), and there is a massive difference.
And, how about the fact the flash 10.1 will only be compatible with 2.2 or higher?

Still hoping for 2.2 they should skip 2.1
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leobg said:
Judging from past exeprience (X1), I doubt X10 will ever see Froyo (unless rooted of course)... We'll be lucky if we get 2.1 this year, knowing SE software upgrade practices I won't be surprised if 2.1 gets pushed for Q1 then Q2... 2011
And before we know - ups "the lifespan" of the device will end "Come and by our new X100 (or whatever)". Welcome to the world of Sony Ericsson!
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Yeah, because HTC didn't just abandon the one year old HTC Magic, right?
Perspective people! It's not just SE... every company out there does this, and to think that some other company is going to be any better is deluding yourself.

Htc did a great job on the magic,with the sense ui ,i think they did a great job if you think of the hardware limitation this unit have.

i doubt X10 will sell much in India anyway.....the android platform hasnt taken over the apple market share yet.
much youngsters are still drawn to iphone 3gs.
anyway...i am waiting for updates.
main issues: Low in-call volume, poor battery life, limited functionality of timescape.

Yeah I had wanted to go to that round table conference. Take a bat and give some o the Sony execs a piece o my mind. How could the dev and execs of SE be.ok with releasing their flagship phone with an outdated OS. It's ridiculous! It's like putting ur ferrari in a race to be driven by your grandmother.
Man I hope root is achieved. I kinda like the stuff that SE has.done to make the phone different from the others. But I like better call.volume, flash support, better battery life, more RAM, auto flash, root requiring apps, etc more. So its going to be the vanilla froyo ftw for me.
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ashman84 said:
Yeah I had wanted to go to that round table conference. Take a bat and give some o the Sony execs a piece o my mind. How could the dev and execs of SE be.ok with releasing their flagship phone with an outdated OS. It's ridiculous! It's like putting ur ferrari in a race to be driven by your grandmother.
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You're so cute!
Hey, look at me, I'm a major international corporation! I have a product for sale! It has a slightly out of date operating system! Please don't buy our product! It's terrible that we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! We are a terrible company!
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Now, do you think Sony Ericsson is really going to come out and tell you "Yes, our phone sucks don't buy it"? Of course they're going to defend their choices, if they don't then it's called a marketing failure. No one's going to tell you their product sucks and still expect people to buy it.

iead1 said:
You're so cute!
Hey, look at me, I'm a major international corporation! I have a product for sale! It has a slightly out of date operating system! Please don't buy our product! It's terrible that we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! We are a terrible company!
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Now, do you think Sony Ericsson is really going to come out and tell you "Yes, our phone sucks don't buy it"? Of course they're going to defend their choices, if they don't then it's called a marketing failure. No one's going to tell you their product sucks and still expect people to buy it.
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First off, thanks for compliment. I hope ur a 22 year old, 5 8" smoking hot woman who didnt go dancing with her girlfriends tonight and instead sat her a** down in front of a computer to randomly comment on xda.
secondly, SE has historically always been flaky with providing upgrades for their phones. Although they say that they will support the x10, its almost a given that they wont stick to their timelines. Its been the case with every phone they've released.
thirdly, what are the functionalities that they've included in 1.6 that you speak of??? To have an OS that cannot support 16M colors when the hardware can? TO have an OS that cannot support more RAM than 256MB? To not have flash support for god knows how long considering we're only getting 2.1 in Q4 and we need 2.2 for flash support? To be left behind in Android market cause all new apps will be for 2.1 or 2.2? To not have auto flash on the camera which is supposedly a limitation of 1.6?
And lastly, I wasn't taking a dig at the marketers of the phone. its their job to sell the phone and from what I can gather, they seem to be doing a good job. What my peeve was about is that at the design and execution stage the devs and execs at SE should have made a conscious effort to put the best in their best phone. I dont care if the x10 had a marketing failure. Its specs are good enough for anyone to figure out the phone's brilliant. There was a strategy planning and execution failure for the x10 at SE and that's just not done when your company is worth 6.7 billion (at last count). It should've had 2.1 right from the get go considering other phones released before the x10 had 2.1 as stock.
So please, dont go running your mouth off if you dont know facts. Anyone who can see what the x10 is capable of will realize that its the OS thats keeping this phone back. I love the x series of SE. I've had them all. I just want my phone to be the best it can be, which it isn't right now.
and on side notes:
A) Android 1.6 isn't a SLIGHTLY outdated OS. Its outdated period. Especially since 2.2 is out and 2.3 at the end of the year.
B) "we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! "
a grandmom on steriods is still a grandmom on steroids.

ashman84 said:
First off, thanks for compliment. I hope ur a 22 year old, 5 8" smoking hot woman who didnt go dancing with her girlfriends tonight and instead sat her a** down in front of a computer to randomly comment on xda.
secondly, SE has historically always been flaky with providing upgrades for their phones. Although they say that they will support the x10, its almost a given that they wont stick to their timelines. Its been the case with every phone they've released.
thirdly, what are the functionalities that they've included in 1.6 that you speak of??? To have an OS that cannot support 16M colors when the hardware can? TO have an OS that cannot support more RAM than 256MB? To not have flash support for god knows how long considering we're only getting 2.1 in Q4 and we need 2.2 for flash support? To be left behind in Android market cause all new apps will be for 2.1 or 2.2? To not have auto flash on the camera which is supposedly a limitation of 1.6?
And lastly, I wasn't taking a dig at the marketers of the phone. its their job to sell the phone and from what I can gather, they seem to be doing a good job. What my peeve was about is that at the design and execution stage the devs and execs at SE should have made a conscious effort to put the best in their best phone. I dont care if the x10 had a marketing failure. Its specs are good enough for anyone to figure out the phone's brilliant. There was a strategy planning and execution failure for the x10 at SE and that's just not done when your company is worth 6.7 billion (at last count). It should've had 2.1 right from the get go considering other phones released before the x10 had 2.1 as stock.
So please, dont go running your mouth off if you dont know facts. Anyone who can see what the x10 is capable of will realize that its the OS thats keeping this phone back. I love the x series of SE. I've had them all. I just want my phone to be the best it can be, which it isn't right now.
and on side notes:
A) Android 1.6 isn't a SLIGHTLY outdated OS. Its outdated period. Especially since 2.2 is out and 2.3 at the end of the year.
B) "we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! "
a grandmom on steriods is still a grandmom on steroids.
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First of all, you said you wanted to take a baseball bat to the Sony execs, so yes, you are taking a dig at the marketers of the phone. A pretty big, violent dig.
Second, I'm not just talking crap. Sony added a lot of stuff to 1.6 that didn't exist before, like the Camera app, Mediascape, and the custom dialer.
Third, and this is the biggest point of all, simply put, the phone was never, ever, ever, ever, ever advertised as having anything at all other than Android OS version 1.6. You can cry all you want about this point, but, if you bought this phone, you knew it coming in. If there's something you wanted that was 2.1 specific, you should have went for a phone that had 2.1 preinstalled. It was known for months that the phone would release with 1.6.
It's this last point that really just boggles my mind. I don't understand people who buy something, knowing 100% of it's capabilities, then ***** when it doesn't do something it wasn't advertised as being able to do. It's like buying a Toyota Prius, knowing it's a Toyota Prius, then complaining after you buy it that it doesn't perform like a Ferrari. If you wanted something that performed like a Ferrari, you should have bought the Ferrari.
The phone can be "better." Anything can be "better", but for what was advertised, it's as good as it was made out to be.
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1.6 is only "slightly" outdated. It was released September 16, 2009. In the time between then and now, only one update has been officially released. At the release of the phone, the 1.6 was only about 7 months old. It's not Sony's fault that Google pushes out new updates faster than manufacturers can handle them.

ashman84 said:
secondly, SE has historically always been flaky with providing upgrades for their phones. Although they say that they will support the x10, its almost a given that they wont stick to their timelines. Its been the case with every phone they've released.
thirdly, what are the functionalities that they've included in 1.6 that you speak of??? To have an OS that cannot support 16M colors when the hardware can? TO have an OS that cannot support more RAM than 256MB? To not have flash support for god knows how long considering we're only getting 2.1 in Q4 and we need 2.2 for flash support? To be left behind in Android market cause all new apps will be for 2.1 or 2.2? To not have auto flash on the camera which is supposedly a limitation of 1.6?
And lastly, I wasn't taking a dig at the marketers of the phone. its their job to sell the phone and from what I can gather, they seem to be doing a good job. What my peeve was about is that at the design and execution stage the devs and execs at SE should have made a conscious effort to put the best in their best phone. I dont care if the x10 had a marketing failure. Its specs are good enough for anyone to figure out the phone's brilliant. There was a strategy planning and execution failure for the x10 at SE and that's just not done when your company is worth 6.7 billion (at last count). It should've had 2.1 right from the get go considering other phones released before the x10 had 2.1 as stock.
So please, dont go running your mouth off if you dont know facts. Anyone who can see what the x10 is capable of will realize that its the OS thats keeping this phone back. I love the x series of SE. I've had them all. I just want my phone to be the best it can be, which it isn't right now.
and on side notes:
A) Android 1.6 isn't a SLIGHTLY outdated OS. Its outdated period. Especially since 2.2 is out and 2.3 at the end of the year.
B) "we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! "
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idiots will always be idiots, people like you would always complain and not think.
1) X10 was announced a month+ after Android 1.6 was released, 2.1 was released in january, X10 having the hardware better than the OS given shows that it's having the possibilities of having updates in the future.
Though they could have just scraped 1.6 and go for 2.1, but they wouldn't be able to keep what they promised for the consumers, namely the release date of X10, a near-somewhat stable version of UX adapted for 2.1 (tho it was still unstable for 1.6 but later on improved in minor updates) as well as timescape and mediascape, these might not be important to you but if they're not you might have gone for HTC instead (which makes me wonder why on earth you'd go for X10 if not for their unique UX and apps).
2) As big as a company can get, they wouldn't be able to have some of their resources to work only for constantly updating X10 for every new version of Android OS released by Google (1.6 - september, 2.1 - january, 2.2 - may) as SE has other phones to work on as well (for new, old, unannounced products etc)
before you go on talking about HTC manages to pull that off, answer me this, how many android phones were announced/released by HTC from early 2010 until now? at the rate they're in, do you think they'll support the old phones constantly with updates? I bet they'll keep on releasing android smartphones with the latest firmware and leave the old products to dry after an update or 2. SE on the other hand told us that they're trying to have X10 to have a long life-cycle (as late as the update may be)
as for your sidenote
A) 1.6 IS slightly outdated, it's been out since september 2009 and as I said, Android OS seems to have a life-expectancy of 4-5 months, majority of Android phones would be outdated every 4-5 months as well following your logic.

How about the Droid getting 2.2 today.

When Android 2.1/2.2 can be ready for X10i ?

last month i just selected X10i instead of HTC Desire, now Desire just announce Android 2.2 released. Why i can't find any Android 2.1/2.2 Rom for X10i ?

Because SE dont wanna upgrade to 2.2. They just sheduled an upgrade for 2.1 at Q4 this year afaik.

We'll see an official 2.1 ROM in the near future, before the end of September. 2.2 will take longer.
Currently a lot of dev work is being put in towards cracking the bootloader and with any luck it should be fixed relatively soon. So no custom ROMs yet but the bootloader is being worked at and we have an initial version of CM6 ready to go.
As for picking the X10 over the Desire I can only go with my personal experience and say that you made the right choice. I've used both and the X10 has a better screen and is sexier overall imo. So even though the Desire will get updates earlier the X10 isn't too far behind and worth the wait.

So is it fair to say that if the X10 comes to ATT in usa the X10 will become much more popular and therefore gain many more devs? I dont like the iphone but I must say the iphone dev team really knows their ****. ( Not saying that the devs here dont but i think there are many more devs for the iphone which is why they crack new FW within days usually.

I hope that is the case. Developers here are hard working and cracking is not one man's job. We need groups of developers to crack it. More users == more developers working on that particular phone.
I bet soon we will see some big jump movement forward towards 2.2
Thanks to our Dev team.

devilleather said:
So is it fair to say that if the X10 comes to ATT in usa the X10 will become much more popular and therefore gain many more devs? I dont like the iphone but I must say the iphone dev team really knows their ****. ( Not saying that the devs here dont but i think there are many more devs for the iphone which is why they crack new FW within days usually.
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Guys, I too agree that iphone devs do get the jailbreaks and other stuff out the door rather quick, but that is apple, this is sony. It should be safe to say that X10 devs have a worthy adversary. If you recall, xbox was cracked pretty soon but the ps3 took about 2 years. Sony is good, but I put my faith in X10 devs. It's only a matter of time but they'll get froyo on our fones am sure
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arizhasan said:
Guys, I too agree that iphone devs do get the jailbreaks and other stuff out the door rather quick, but that is apple, this is sony. It should be safe to say that X10 devs have a worthy adversary. If you recall, xbox was cracked pretty soon but the ps3 took about 2 years. Sony is good, but I put my faith in X10 devs. It's only a matter of time but they'll get froyo on our fones am sure
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Well i dun mind waiting but let hope they dun take 2 years to crack too>< hahaha
really hope 2.1 faster come out. i been checking xda every min to see any new on it=)

Sony Ericsson and Sony are two separate companies.

zephyrix said:
Sony Ericsson and Sony are two separate companies.
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..but not too far away Sony organization

pietropizzi said:
..but not too far away Sony organization
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From my knowledge SE is pretty much just the old Ericsson but with some Sony bits tacked on. Afaik they're still based in Sweden and haven't changed much. I remember having two cellphones from before the merger and the Sony phone was utter ****e while the Ericsson still works to this day. It's an old GA628 from the mid 90s, I don't use mine anymore but my grandad still hangs on to his. They're built like tanks, they just won't break.

Android 2.1 is coming to the X10 Family Sony Ericsson in October or November
Well we heard about upgrading the X10 for a long time. Then I was informed by source inside SE that it will have an update from Android 2.1 and X10 to X10 Family, the whole family.
Here’s what a source inside the Sony Ericsson Accessory wrote us:
“From November 2010 the software will be X10 Mini updated and now supports the Android 2.1. This update can also be done on all X10 mini bought before that date. ”
The update on Android as well as leaving the unit more fast will still cause images to become very best. Currently, the X10 can only display 256 000 colors. With the upgrade they can display up to 16 million colors.
We talked with the Communications Department Sony Ericsson and confirmed that:
“The X10, X10Mini and X10Mini Pro will be updated in October. ”
“After the update they can record HD video.”
Note:I don´t want anyone ilusion but let's wait for the sony ericsson first to comment so I just hope not to get a guy of this fool for news.

jingkailim said:
Well i dun mind waiting but let hope they dun take 2 years to crack too>< hahaha
really hope 2.1 faster come out. i been checking xda every min to see any new on it=)
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Likewise, am checking it too every now and then so I don't miss it. Sony is supposed to provide the update to 2.1 by September or October 2010, I hope our devs can get froyo on our fones before that, it'll be a shame to lose root with sony's update.
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From my knowledge SE is pretty much just the old Ericsson but with some Sony bits tacked on. Afaik they're still based in Sweden and haven't changed much. I remember having two cellphones from before the merger and the Sony phone was utter ****e while the Ericsson still works to this day. It's an old GA628 from the mid 90s, I don't use mine anymore but my grandad still hangs on to his. They're built like tanks, they just won't break.
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I dunno what deal does sony and ericsson have, but one thing is for sure, the merger did provided some good looking and powerful fones off of it.
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ddewbofh said:
From my knowledge SE is pretty much just the old Ericsson but with some Sony bits tacked on. Afaik they're still based in Sweden and haven't changed much. I remember having two cellphones from before the merger and the Sony phone was utter ****e while the Ericsson still works to this day. It's an old GA628 from the mid 90s, I don't use mine anymore but my grandad still hangs on to his. They're built like tanks, they just won't break.
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Ericsson GA628 was my first phone to. Great phone with a rock solid build.

i think sony played a major part. don't think Ericsson old day can design such amount of sexy looking phone.
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my ga628 is still lying around somewhere and i had 2 use it awhile ago

gaolinde said:
i think sony played a major part. don't think Ericsson old day can design such amount of sexy looking phone.
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Yeah, that's sort of how I imagine the cooperation works. Sony lets Ericsson do what they're good at, making great phones, while they take care of the design and multimedia bits.

gaolinde said:
i think sony played a major part. don't think Ericsson old day can design such amount of sexy looking phone.
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i agree, but am just another sony fan. i believe any two companies that can ever be on same level of great designs and eye candy stuff in any product are apple and sony.

Im starting to get fed up with the x10 being so slow. Heading into the direction of getting a Nexus One. Should I calm down and wait or switch?

BrAzzUkA's said:
Android 2.1 is coming to the X10 Family Sony Ericsson in October or November
Well we heard about upgrading the X10 for a long time. Then I was informed by source inside SE that it will have an update from Android 2.1 and X10 to X10 Family, the whole family.
Here’s what a source inside the Sony Ericsson Accessory wrote us:
“From November 2010 the software will be X10 Mini updated and now supports the Android 2.1. This update can also be done on all X10 mini bought before that date. ”
The update on Android as well as leaving the unit more fast will still cause images to become very best. Currently, the X10 can only display 256 000 colors. With the upgrade they can display up to 16 million colors.
We talked with the Communications Department Sony Ericsson and confirmed that:
“The X10, X10Mini and X10Mini Pro will be updated in October. ”
“After the update they can record HD video.”
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Actually, its coming near the end of September from the info that I have. Also, it will not be the last update we see this year, there will be another major update end of the year (though not platform upgrade). My guess is 2.2 is coming in Q2, not sure of the timeline, but coming for sure

Conspiracy theory

I have came up with idea that SE is not as bad as we think. Maybe this firmware delay is connected with some special surprise made for us - X10 users. Maybe SE decided that they will release Froyo, maybe they realised that there is not as much to do in reprogramming and other stuff like that?
What do you think?. It is rather hopeful wish rather than probable future, but if it comes true - their brand would be really considered as top leading in Android devices market (as they wanted to be)
(sorry for language mistakes)
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I really doubt that and go for the official statement, that they experienced problems in reprogramming the UIX. Better don't hope for your big surprise and you won't get disappointed.
Btw. perhaps is the LiveView gadget the big surprise SE has announced...

qwer23 said:
I really doubt that and go for the official statement, that they experienced problems in reprogramming the UIX. Better don't hope for your big surprise and you won't get disappointed.
Btw. perhaps is the LiveView gadget the big surprise SE has announced...
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+1. Let's don't hope for a big surprises. All the companys want money, and they have it. I think that they just gonna upgrade two times the X10 and will leave it in the past.
Just my 2c.

kubbek said:
I have came up with idea that SE is not as bad as we think. Maybe this firmware delay is connected with some special surprise made for us - X10 users. Maybe SE decided that they will release Froyo, maybe they realised that there is not as much to do in reprogramming and other stuff like that?
What do you think?. It is rather hopeful wish rather than probable future, but if it comes true - their brand would be really considered as top leading in Android devices market (as they wanted to be)
(sorry for language mistakes)
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You have said 3 "MAYBE" on the above. I would rather be realistic than daydreaming every single day.

I have no doubt that the X10 2.1 update delay was a strategic one by Sony Ericsson.
With the announcement of the LiveView thing and them mentioning how it'll be part of their experience packs or whatever, it sounds like they are planning a relaunch of some sort for the X10, or maybe they delayed the 2.1 update so they can bundle some of the software to their LiveView product in an attempt to boost LiveView Sales.

Sony ericsson likes the update game

we have been through a very harsh process of finally getting the 2.1 update on our phones, SE said to have another update on the UIX by december and now I have seen the multi touch working officialy by Rikard on the SE Blog, said by him to have it enabled by the next year Q1 with another update.
This looks like the guys over SE likes to keep their users kind of frustrated with future hopes of getting the phone better with updates, I'm starting to think that they see this like a game

ellokomen said:
we have been through a very harsh process of finally getting the 2.1 update on our phones, SE said to have another update on the UIX by december and now I have seen the multi touch working officialy by Rikard on the SE Blog, said by him to have it enabled by the next year Q1 with another update.
This looks like the guys over SE likes to keep their users kind of frustrated with future hopes of getting the phone better with updates, I'm starting to think that they see this like a game
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If they are updating the OS frequently it only shows how they care for their device and want it to be better in my opinion.
Why does it bother you if they are working on an update?
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Versus the non-update game SE typically does?
I'm fine with them improving our phones. Bring it on SE!

Btw there isn't an update in December....that was pushed to "early 2011" and my guess is that multitouch will be included in that update

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that was pushed to "early 2011"
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I think the update comming out to SEUS 31/03-11 (The day before the 4. Quarter)

Maybe Sony Ericsson dont have lots os programmers, and they are not good enough to do the things before the others, the Android 1.6 are ver good costumized by SE, but there are things that needs to be programmed, like:
- Multitouch (driver)
- 16M colors (driver)
- Audio (actual driver is very bad)
- Android 2.2 (costumize and optimize to X10)

I would rather say that they have very good cryptographic team, because that is from what I can see, the best they have on their hardware.

The update in December is delayed to Q1, its the same as the one Rikard mentioned. However this will be another big update, not just enabling partial MT. Though the FW is set to launch in early January, so we should see alot of these new FW stuff at CES which I'll also be there

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The update in December is delayed to Q1, its the same as the one Rikard mentioned. However this will be another big update, not just enabling partial MT. Though the FW is set to launch in early January, so we should see alot of these new FW stuff at CES which I'll also be there
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Cool! Its been a while since we've heard from you
Any idea what the other features are? (*hint* - froyo ? )

Update game or not, im personally fine with it and I think it only shows SE cares about us and the device. They weren't going to implement multi touch but I think they chose to do so because of us the users. If you ask me I say bravo to SE and this might restore some faith into the SE bashers.....it could be a possible sign for froyo.
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I can't help but laugh at all the haters who already sold their phones after reading this, i knew about the update but not that it would bring MT.
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Tjotte said:
I can't help but laugh at all the haters who already sold their phones after reading this, i knew about the update but not that it would bring MT.
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The X10 was, up to just recently, an incredibly crippled phone. Officially running 1.6 into the tenth month of 2010 is an embarrassment. I wouldn't laugh at anyone who decided to cut their losses and look for a better alternative.
The devs on XDA deserve a lot of credit for their perseverance. It is them that made this phone relevant again. Not SE's "brilliant engineers".

jayluke said:
The X10 was, up to just recently, an incredibly crippled phone. Officially running 1.6 into the tenth month of 2010 is an embarrassment. I wouldn't laugh at anyone who decided to cut their losses and look for a better alternative.
The devs on XDA deserve a lot of credit for their perseverance. It is them that made this phone relevant again. Not SE's "brilliant engineers".
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Couldn't agree more about both points.
Personally I'm still very resentful towards SE and will not buy nor recommend any of their products for a least a couple years. The whole talking up THEIR "brilliant engineers" is just more bull**** and pisses me off, is that supposed to be a slap in the face to all the devs out there working to fix their mistakes? Why not tell us the truth about the hardware all along? Why cripple your phone with outdated buggy software and program it not to have multi-touch? What is the incentive there?
At least they're finally listening to all the negative feedback they've been getting, but still...a big part of me wanted to see the devs accomplish multi-touch and Froyo before SE.

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Update game or not, im personally fine with it and I think it only shows SE cares about us and the device. They weren't going to implement multi touch but I think they chose to do so because of us the users. If you ask me I say bravo to SE and this might restore some faith into the SE bashers.....it could be a possible sign for froyo.
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They LIED about the MT since the beginning man. They said the screen was resistive and not capacitive and now they say "oh...we didn't realize it was capacitive. sorry!" Right they didn't...they do not know their own hardware they are developing for?
They do not care...they launched a phone with an outdated OS when 2.1 was already out and it took them 6 months to skin it and add in their branded goods. Now the X12 is going to be launched with 2.1 when 3.0 will be out upon its launch...see a trend here? I personally do not think they care and will never buy another SE phone. Pretty sure many feel the same...see the value of the X10's on eBay now? Dirt and yet the Nexus, older, is selling for $500+ still with the vanilla OS on it. What does that tell you? Function over fashion. Bring on the 2.2 ROM from Jerpelea & Z That will be the saving grace for me and allow me to keep this phone a bit longer. Pretty much every other newer Android phone out there has MT so this phone getting MT after almost a year really is not something to be excited over. Especially when it will only be enabled for surfing and Google maps!?

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They LIED about the MT since the beginning man. They said the screen was resistive and not capacitive and now they say "oh...we didn't realize it was capacitive. sorry!" Right they didn't...they do not know their own hardware they are developing for?
They do not care...they launched a phone with an outdated OS when 2.1 was already out and it took them 6 months to skin it and add in their branded goods. Now the X12 is going to be launched with 2.1 when 3.0 will be out upon its launch...see a trend here? I personally do not think they care and will never buy another SE phone. Pretty sure many feel the same...see the value of the X10's on eBay now? Dirt and yet the Nexus, older, is selling for $500+ still with the vanilla OS on it. What does that tell you? Function over fashion. Bring on the 2.2 ROM from Jerpelea & Z That will be the saving grace for me and allow me to keep this phone a bit longer. Pretty much every other newer Android phone out there has MT so this phone getting MT after almost a year really is not something to be excited over. Especially when it will only be enabled for surfing and Google maps!?
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There's a lot of hate for SE, but as long as they try to improve the SE experience for those with SE phones, I'm happy. Could they be doing better? Just enabling MT for the X10 is so much more than what they have done in the past. Maybe it's because I had a Nokia as my last phone that I'm happy with any substantial improvement in the OS, haha.
I forgot where I read it, but the turnaround time from new OS to handset is roughly 4 months (it used to be nearly 12 months). Froyo (2.2) came out in May and it's only been in the last couple months where handsets have been getting 2.2. The exception is the N1, but then again, that was sold as a phone for enthusiasts (and pretty much what they're using to test it on). When Gingerbread (2.3) comes out, you can expect at least another 4 months before it gets pushed OTA (besides the N1 and the NS). As they learn Android, I'm sure they'll be faster in issuing updates. Motorola was (and sometimes is) pretty slow in pushing updates for their phones but now they're cranking it out.
In regards to multi-touch... Did they ever say resistive? They were up front when they said it wasn't going to have MT. Yeah, but I agree they should have had it on the X10 in the first place. The N1 didn't have MT at first and they were quick to add it. Nexus One's MT is the same as the future X10 MT. They both are designed for pinch to zoom applications, its a limitation found in the hardware. Games will work but it will have the same multi-touch limitations as the N1. And of course - phones that have just come out have better multitouch... they're newer phones based on newer chipsets which use newer technologies.

I dont get the big idea about MT, its not a big thing, hardly use it on my wildfire.
In regards to the x10 launched with 1.6 for me it was running better than any other device with 2.1 on there. Touch wood but ive never had any problems apart from the in ear volume. So what if the value has dropped. Its the sentimental value that counts.
I praise the devs for their hardwork. Also SE...however i will say Rikard and SE need to get off their fat arses and stop delaying everything.
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rvictorg said:
Couldn't agree more about both points.
Personally I'm still very resentful towards SE and will not buy nor recommend any of their products for a least a couple years. The whole talking up THEIR "brilliant engineers" is just more bull**** and pisses me off, is that supposed to be a slap in the face to all the devs out there working to fix their mistakes? Why not tell us the truth about the hardware all along? Why cripple your phone with outdated buggy software and program it not to have multi-touch? What is the incentive there?
At least they're finally listening to all the negative feedback they've been getting, but still...a big part of me wanted to see the devs accomplish multi-touch and Froyo before SE.
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i think ur taking it too far man...personally i think 1.6 was pretty good and after i updated to 2.1 i was very pleased. the updating was easy and i easily restored my contacts using the default backup and restore app
the battery life on the x10 is incredible, consitently get about 2 full days of regular usage(surfing net before classes, a little talking, some txting and listening to 1-2 hrs of music everyday). while my friend with the iphone 4 complains about terrible battery and dropped calls(he has a case too!)
the phone looks very nice and feels solid, the software isn't "buggy" i haven't had any problems with it at all(no root or anything btw). and the 2.1 version is soo smooth and looks very nice compared to say a stock android 2.1. people complain about mediascape and timescape, but personally i love them timescape doesn't use too much cpu if u disable the services (like txt, email, fb, etc) and mediascape is miles ahead of android in media playing ability.
and just to remind you, those engineers are working very hard, remember they have to develop the software for the phone from scratch and optimize every bit of it, and yes the developers here do a lot of work, but they just have to fix what the engineers messed up or modify some files, and with thousands of lines of code, its easy to mess up somewhere. im a chemical engineering major right now, and i dont know anything about computers, but in general engineers are very bright people and probably know what they are doing better than what we do.

though im not a se fanboy (this is my first se product and might be my last) some people need to tone it down. stop ranting against se like theyre the antichrist. this is my first android phone so i was still amazed with my phone even with 1.6. (android 1.6 is waaaaay better than ios 3.0) and after flashing to 2.1 my phone is enough to make my friends agree that my x10 is better than one of our friend's iphone 4 (i wouldnt be so sure of that but when they see me multitasking with widgets, live wallpaper, H connection what evr the hell that is, and removeable parts like batteries, memory, sim, etc. its hard to disagree) i will admit the x10 is nerfed by se but if you wanted a phone that focused more on android rather than custom software you should have done your research. i knew from the begining that my phone was an "android" but with se's "timescape and mediascape" ontop of "1.6" which is outdated. i also read that mt wasnt available and most likely wouldnt be. these are the things that piss people off yet these are the things you always see in online reviews, the research isnt hard. i knew what i was reading before i even knew what the terms fully meant. luckily we have devs to help fix these problems, but as i said earlier once i can upgrade i doubt ill get a se phone again (unless that psphone turns out to be real and stable, that thing looks sweet)
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one think we should thank to the updates is that the price of the device that had dropped very down, maybe getting up right now.
so we have:
android 2.1,
1ghz,
4 inches
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MT coming soon.
Try to catch a phone with those features with less than 360 bucks on ebay, only the X10.
I was thinking to getting the droid 2 GSM when it comes out, but now I really like my phone with those new things.
And the upcoming android 2.2 will be very welcome among us
SE works hard to make their devices with a pleasant experience, just like apple do with their iphones that have the best out-of-the-box experience among smartphone. even if Sony doesn't have the best state of the art technology on the world of android, we cannot deny that the UI has been carefully finished.
and btw, the x10 with 2.1 is among the best battery life GSM android phones right now, just ask someone who owns a Evo 4G about battery life and you will get it
Note: the H up there means HSDPA, which is commonly known as 3.5G for internet access, sometimes it will go to 3G again because of low signal or very congested network

I love the update game and hope it continues since it feels like I have a new phone every time a big update comes out. I find it incredible that people complain about SE keeping the promise they made to support the phone for 2 years.