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[Q] Samsung Tab Tethering

I am a newbie Android addict (ditched my iphone for Samsung Captivate w/AT&T) and LOVE it. I'm also new to this site so please forgive if this has already been covered but I couldn't find it.
I would love to get the new Samsung Tab as soon as it hits the U.S. market but no way do I want to pay for an additional data plan. Will there be a way to tether the tablet to my Captivate? And if so, how? I am desperate for an answer. Please, please someone tell me if this is possible or not? Thanks in advance!
Robin

what will happen is you are going to have to pay full price.. 649 for one with no contract. You can root it (captivate) and tether via wifi using tether app.... then when it (the Tab) gets modded to use voice (which I plan on) then you can mod that rom on and then put your sim into the TAb..
pretty much my plan except on tmobile.. and i would be tethering with my g1

This also is my plan, but on AT&T and tethered to my Aria. But this depends on whether or not the required phone hardware is installed on the US version and can be accessed with rooted ROM.

no6969el said:
what will happen is you are going to have to pay full price.. 649 for one with no contract. You can root it (captivate) and tether via wifi using tether app.... then when it (the Tab) gets modded to use voice (which I plan on) then you can mod that rom on and then put your sim into the TAb..
pretty much my plan except on tmobile.. and i would be tethering with my g1
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Hm? Is it confirmed that the US version would still have voice capability? Last I heard someone was suggesting to wait for people to take it apart to make sure the hardwares are all there.

dliao said:
Hm? Is it confirmed that the US version would still have voice capability? Last I heard someone was suggesting to wait for people to take it apart to make sure the hardwares are all there.
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AFAIK there will be WiFi-only and 3G version in various different flavours, as well as a CDMA version for Sprints aging technology.

dliao said:
Hm? Is it confirmed that the US version would still have voice capability? Last I heard someone was suggesting to wait for people to take it apart to make sure the hardwares are all there.
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If it can do 3g data I don't see how the hardware can not be there.
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AFAIK there will be WiFi-only and 3G version in various different flavours, as well as a CDMA version for Sprints aging technology.
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Indeed
If you aren't going to use the data line, then tbh I'd just wait for the wifi only version. No reason to pay extra for something you won't use. You will still be able to use the wireless AP on the captivate to tether.

clubtech said:
If it can do 3g data I don't see how the hardware can not be there.
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Did you ever make a cellular voice call from a 3G-equipped laptop? No? Well thats because there is no audio in/out from the 3G module in a laptop. The wires are not there. Its definitely possible for Samsung to neuter the tab in that way if they want to...

Anyone tethering with Note on ATT? Are they detecting it?

As many of you know att was busting users tethering. I dont really use it all that often and since all the talk about att catching people tethering, i thought i would never be able to use it ever again, IF i needed too. Some times share with the klids phones if we are mobile. They dont have data.
Ive turned it on a couple times testing. I connected the laptop to it and loaded "a" page. I havent gotton any emails yet, or ever.
I was just wondering, since this is not an att phone, and there is no tether manager, should we be able to tether without getting detected?
I thought for sure there was going to be a topic already here, but theres not???? my search didnt turn up andything!!

carhigh said:
As many of you know att was busting users tethering. I dont really use it all that often and since all the talk about att catching people tethering, i thought i would never be able to use it ever again, IF i needed too. Some times share with the klids phones if we are mobile. They dont have data.
Ive turned it on a couple times testing. I connected the laptop to it and loaded "a" page. I havent gotton any emails yet, or ever.
I was just wondering, since this is not an att phone, and there is no tether manager, should we be able to tether without getting detected?
I thought for sure there was going to be a topic already here, but theres not???? my search didnt turn up andything!!
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I made mine a wireless hotspot for my friends for about an hour and a half like two weeks ago and they didn't say anything to me or kick me off my data plan.

Thank for posting this! I was wondering as well!

They probably won't say anything so long as you keep within your data cap. Going over it and they will likely scold you...
Brian

No issues here...tethering away and remembering not to be a hog. Don't abuse it.

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No issues here...tethering away and remembering not to be a hog. Don't abuse it.
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Thank you!
When I had the HTC Evo I also had the tethering option ($30/month) but, fortunately, my company was picking up 90% of the tab. Now that my Evo is gone and I have a company provided iP4 I can't tether.
I have mixed feeling about tethering as it is a useful tool to have but also very easy to abuse. The problem with the abuse is that it eats into the bandwidth that I need for more casual usage and therefore negatively impacts my usage. I have heard of folks using of 50GB/month and if even a very small fraction of people did that there would be no cellular network that would survive.
When I get the Note I will probably go with the 4GB plan and have tethering. During my time with the Evo I averaged about 600MB/month including tethering, but with the Note I think the data use will go up because it will be far more useful and practical to surf the net and I think I'll probably go over 2GB/month. I will have to see what my data use actually is and if 2GB/month is enough and I can still tether than maybe that will be the way to go.
I don't see the need to try to game the system all that much and am willing to pay for what I use...
Brian

I've tethered with my Dell streak for over a year, never had an issue.
You just have to stay under the radar. Start downloading ISO size files, and you can bet you will get dinged.

I have been tethering illicitly for almost a year, first on my rooted SGS and now my Note, because that's been my only available "broadband" connection where I live (and I only get about 300kbps down even on HSPA 3g... very oversubscribed towers around here).
I got the dreaded warning letter from AT&T a couple months ago, where they politely suggested that I need to upgrade my plan to include tethering...and if I continue tethering, they will eventually do it for me.
That was a few months ago and they haven't done it yet, though I did back off on my data consumption after I got that letter (I stand to lose my unlimited data plan as well as seeing my monthly bill go up by $30).
I suspect that they infer that you're tethering based on your traffic, and that they can't actually tell whether you have tethering enabled on your rooted phone. E.g. if you're doing a lot of bittorrenting and connecting to sites like Windowsupdate.com, those would be pretty big clue that you're running a PC over your connection.
I rarely use my PC any more, and no more bt :-( so I am hoping they will continue to let my occasional small amount of tethering slide. And if they don't, I may just upgrade to a Verizon 4g LTE mifi instead, since that is now available in my area
HTH

I'm on att and with android phones I've been tethering for almost two years with no problem. It included the Nexus one, the galaxy tab, the inspire 4g, the unlocked sgs2 and now the Note. I frequently used the tethering option to connect my galaxy tab 10.1. I average 5GB a month and have never gotten any warning.
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I'm based in the UK so i don't have any useful input, I just find this article interesting. Your guys network operators over in the US sound like nazis. and I thought ours were bad?
I've seen a few networks over here include tethering as a "bolt-on" style upgrade to a price plan, but my question is, how the hell do they know? like with my SGS, tethering is part of the phone, so it was my understanding that they couldn't tell (unless you had anormal traffic - but with phones getting better processors surely that kind of traffic will very soon, if not already, be possible without tethering?)

calin75 said:
I'm on att and with android phones I've been tethering for almost two years with no problem. It included the Nexus one, the galaxy tab, the inspire 4g, the unlocked sgs2 and now the Note. I frequently used the tethering option to connect my galaxy tab 10.1. I average 5GB a month and have never gotten any warning.
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yeah, like I said: I don't think they can actually tell you have tethering enabled, so if the only devices you're connecting to your AP are other phones, they likely will never figure it out. But if you connect a Mac or PC much, watch out.
UPDATE: AT&T finally forced me into their tethering plan. I put my SIM into an old dumb phone, went online and changed the phone model on my acct, and they automatically dropped me back into my old unlimited data plan. Swapped the SIM back into the Note, all better again
We'll see how long it lasts, but since I'm not tethering anymore (just got a Verizon LTE Mifi) I will probably drop my data pan down to the minimum 200mb and save another $15/mo.
I'm seriously looking into switching all four of my lines over to Verizon now!

Note vs 7.7 on ATT, opinions welcomed

So ATT is advertizing as having the Note and on the commercial is states the device as being a phone and a tab, so why will they not allow the 7.7 to run on their system the same way? I am not an ATT customer but if i were and had both devices i would be extremelly upset if they were giving me a hard time with the 7.7. Please share your thoughts.
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adinis78 said:
So ATT is advertizing as having the Note and on the commercial is states the device as being a phone and a tab, so why will they not allow the 7.7 to run on their system the same way? I am not an ATT customer but if i were and had both devices i would be extremelly upset if they were giving me a hard time with the 7.7. Please share your thoughts.
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I have both devices on AT&T. No issues using either (both are unlocked and international).
7.7 is my primary daily driver. Note is cool and all, but without ICS, it kinda sucks compared to the 7.7, especially for web browsing.

I used Straight Talk for the Note I had. I also have the 7.7 6800 (WiFi only).
My Razr is my go to phone. The Note is too big for a phone and too small for a tablet IMHO. The Note, to me, was a fun toy and that was about it. Now when the waccom tech comes out for the 7.7/8.9/10.1 Tabs and if they have 3G/LTE/Data capabilities, I think the Note will all but become useless.
I've had quite a few Galaxy Tabs, but the Note just felt cheaply made to me. It was nice don't get me wrong, but nothing like the others I've had. Also the price to play w/ an International Note is not worth it when looking back on it.
I'd get a 7.7 International 3G if I were you. Many people have reported using it w/ AT&T and if you want to use it as a phone just use a bluetooth headset. Save your money and don't buy a Note.
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Jade Eyed Wolf said:
I have both devices on AT&T. No issues using either (both are unlocked and international).
7.7 is my primary daily driver. Note is cool and all, but without ICS, it kinda sucks compared to the 7.7, especially for web browsing.
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I had the leaked Chinese ROM on my Note and was sorely disappointed with Samsung's TW'd ICS...
RocketROM was better, smoother, clocked higher, etc.

got556 said:
I had the leaked Chinese ROM on my Note and was sorely disappointed with Samsung's TW'd ICS...
RocketROM was better, smoother, clocked higher, etc.
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TBH, I'm not so interested in ICS for using it as a phone on the Note; I want to mod the DPI so that the Note behaves in tablet mode instead. Been doing that with CM9, and I can't go back. I love it! Until there's a fully functioning ICS ROM for the Note that will allow me to run in Tablet mode, I'm sticking to my 7.7. Oh and by fully functioning, I mean everything from S-Pen to MHL, to USB OTG, etc.

The 7.7 would be perfect it it has an S-pen and the note is just an amazing device for drawing and note taking.

To be clear I do have the import 7.7and using straight talk. I wanted to get everybodies opinions on as to why ATT has no issues running their version of the Note as phone and tab but has major issues running the 7.7 which is pretty much the same as Note just bigger size.
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adinis78 said:
To be clear I do have the import 7.7and using straight talk. I wanted to get everybodies opinions on as to why ATT has no issues running their version of the Note as phone and tab but has major issues running the 7.7 which is pretty much the same as Note just bigger size.
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I'm not sure what you're talking about here. What major issues do you think people are having by running an unlocked 7.7 on AT&T? I've been doing this since January with no issues whatsoever (apart from having been throttled, but that's neither here nor there).

adinis78 said:
To be clear I do have the import 7.7and using straight talk. I wanted to get everybodies opinions on as to why ATT has no issues running their version of the Note as phone and tab but has major issues running the 7.7 which is pretty much the same as Note just bigger size.
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What are "major issues"? I'm using an unlocked international 6800 on AT&T with no issues at all. Are they sending you messages about not using it or changing your plan?

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TBH, I'm not so interested in ICS for using it as a phone on the Note; I want to mod the DPI so that the Note behaves in tablet mode instead. Been doing that with CM9, and I can't go back. I love it! Until there's a fully functioning ICS ROM for the Note that will allow me to run in Tablet mode, I'm sticking to my 7.7. Oh and by fully functioning, I mean everything from S-Pen to MHL, to USB OTG, etc.
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The Chinese Rom w/ 240 DPI was pretty stable for me. And I too don't understand what major issues you think AT&T users are having. Many of us have stated multiple times there are no issues.

There are many people that get messages that their tab is unsupported and need to change plan and stuff like that. The 7.7 is both a tab and a phone so is the Note, so why would the ATT branded version of the Note be OK to use but the 7.7 won't be. I am talking about those that get a sim with voice and data and insert it on the 7.7 and then start getting messages stating they need to change plan but if they use that same sim on an ATT branded Note they will not have that issue. I hope people can understand what I am trying to point out. Why does ATT have an issue with the tab working like the Note.
EDIT : another reason I started this is because there is another thread about ATT blocking the 3G data on their tabs while using an old sim that already has 3G service. I know that their are work arounds to this but I am sure that if that same sim where to be put into the ATT branded Note it would not be a problem so why is it with tab, again the tab and Note are essentially the same device.
Will not try to continue this thread if people are not getting what I am trying to point out.
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adinis78 said:
There are many people that get messages that their tab is unsupported and need to change plan and stuff like that. The 7.7 is both a tab and a phone so is the Note, so why would the ATT branded version of the Note be OK to use but the 7.7 won't be. I am talking about those that get a sim with voice and data and insert it on the 7.7 and then start getting messages stating they need to change plan but if they use that same sim on an ATT branded Note they will not have that issue. I hope people can understand what I am trying to point out. Why does ATT have an issue with the tab working like the Note.
EDIT : another reason I started this is because there is another thread about ATT blocking the 3G data on their tabs while using an old sim that already has 3G service. I know that their are work arounds to this but I am sure that if that same sim where to be put into the ATT branded Note it would not be a problem so why is it with tab, again the tab and Note are essentially the same device.
Will not try to continue this thread if people are not getting what I am trying to point out.
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Mainly, because AT&T doesn't sell the 7.7 but they do sell the Note. That's really it. They're not getting any cash from Samsung when you use the 7.7 on their network. You should be able to add an APN named "Broadband" to your to continue to use data.

Ok, I consider myself to be somewhat of an AT&T expert here, so let me set some things straight:
If you have an unlimited data plan for NON-smartphones ($15/month), then AT&T is likely to get nasty with you.
If you have an unlimited data plan for iPhone, or Blackberry, ($30/month), then AT&T will likely ask you to switch to an unlimited smartphone data plan for the same price, but you can continue to use that with no issues, apart from the throttling woes that ALL grandfathered unlimited users are experiencing.
If you already have an unlimited smartphone plan ($30/month), you should have no issues again, apart from the aforementioned throttling issues.
These legacy unlimited plans should only work with the Phone and the wap.cingular APN's. The Broadband APN shouldn't work, nor should the pta APN (unless you're on an unlimited LTE plan).
The more modern plans (tiered plans) should all work just fine without any issues. The Broadband APN on those plans should only work if you have a tethering add-on.
AT&T is a GSM provider, and as such, to remain GSM compliant, they need to allow unlocked devices to work on their network, whether they like it or not.

Essentially it is all about money and how much they can get out of you.
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Jade Eyed Wolf said:
AT&T is a GSM provider, and as such, to remain GSM compliant, they need to allow unlocked devices to work on their network, whether they like it or not.
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Do the actually dislike it, though? I mean, sure, you don't have to sign a contract to use an unlocked phone, but as long as you're still paying the same monthly service fee as everyone else, why would they care? (Of course if you're abusing the medianet plan, then I can understand them trying to crack down.) They still have a paying customer AND they don't have to pay a phone subsidy to keep you. Being one of only two national GSM carriers in the US, and given that T-Mo requires AWS for much of their 3G coverage, AT&T basically has a lock on you if you want to use the vast majority of unlocked GSM phones.
I just don't see why AT&T would have a problem with this from a corporate policy perspective. Obviously some devices, especially ones that are sort of corner cases like the P6800, will have issues, and their call center people are probably clueless in most cases to help resolve these issues. But you can't logically go from "this device has some issues with AT&T's default network configuration" to "AT&T hates this device and all unlocked devices."

adinis78 said:
To be clear I do have the import 7.7and using straight talk. I wanted to get everybodies opinions on as to why ATT has no issues running their version of the Note as phone and tab but has major issues running the 7.7 which is pretty much the same as Note just bigger size.
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the major issuses people had was when we tried to use a go-phone sim card in the 7.7 and the data did not work. As far as i know regular att plans work fine and i can confim that tablet data plans work if you care.
Jade Eyed Wolf said:
The more modern plans (tiered plans) should all work just fine without any issues. The Broadband APN on those plans should only work if you have a tethering add-on.
AT&T is a GSM provider, and as such, to remain GSM compliant, they need to allow unlocked devices to work on their network, whether they like it or not.
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The broadband apn works for tablet specific data plans
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Do the actually dislike it, though? I mean, sure, you don't have to sign a contract to use an unlocked phone, but as long as you're still paying the same monthly service fee as everyone else, why would they care? (Of course if you're abusing the medianet plan, then I can understand them trying to crack down.) They still have a paying customer AND they don't have to pay a phone subsidy to keep you. Being one of only two national GSM carriers in the US, and given that T-Mo requires AWS for much of their 3G coverage, AT&T basically has a lock on you if you want to use the vast majority of unlocked GSM phones.
I just don't see why AT&T would have a problem with this from a corporate policy perspective. Obviously some devices, especially ones that are sort of corner cases like the P6800, will have issues, and their call center people are probably clueless in most cases to help resolve these issues. But you can't logically go from "this device has some issues with AT&T's default network configuration" to "AT&T hates this device and all unlocked devices."
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You underestimate how much AT&T and most carriers love putting bloatware on your phone. For example most carriers until recently shipped phones with carrier IQ which would not be on your device if it was and unlocked international version.
Another example of carrier changes to stock, my sprint phone, when stock, runs through a sprint proxy and it can jack up media streaming and internet speeds until i remove it

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Do the actually dislike it, though? I mean, sure, you don't have to sign a contract to use an unlocked phone, but as long as you're still paying the same monthly service fee as everyone else, why would they care? (Of course if you're abusing the medianet plan, then I can understand them trying to crack down.) They still have a paying customer AND they don't have to pay a phone subsidy to keep you. Being one of only two national GSM carriers in the US, and given that T-Mo requires AWS for much of their 3G coverage, AT&T basically has a lock on you if you want to use the vast majority of unlocked GSM phones.
I just don't see why AT&T would have a problem with this from a corporate policy perspective. Obviously some devices, especially ones that are sort of corner cases like the P6800, will have issues, and their call center people are probably clueless in most cases to help resolve these issues. But you can't logically go from "this device has some issues with AT&T's default network configuration" to "AT&T hates this device and all unlocked devices."
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See that's just it though, even though technically I am playing by the rules, in the sense that I am not abusing the medianet plan, and that I am still a loyal paying customer, they still don't like the fact that I am using a tablet as a phone as well, because they're not getting as much money out of me as they could be, and in their eyes, should be.
Think about it. Can you go into an AT&T store right now and buy a tablet from them for anything other than pay-as-you-go? Nope. If you want data on your tablet, and you don't want to pay extra for its own 3G service, then you have to give up unlimited data and get an extra tethering add-on, so you'd have to pay extra that way instead.
AT&T doesn't want you to have a device that simply does it all. That's why they don't mind the Note so much, because frankly, having owned one since November, at the end of the day, it's really just a big Galaxy S2; if you want to do tablet stuff on it, you need a proper tablet, which the 7.7 is.
So here's the thing: By my buying an unlocked 7.7, thereby consolidating a true tablet and a smartphone, and by continuing to pay my $30/month unlimited plan, in AT&T's eyes, I'm effectively cheating them out of either pay-per-use data on one of their own 3G/LTE tablets, or I'm cheating them out of paying for a tiered plan instead, plus a tethering option. So yeah, they don't like that...
If US carriers had no issues with tablet's doubling as phones, then they would have allowed the original tab to keep its phone abilities, and Verizon wouldn't have gimped their version of the 7.7 so as not to be capable of making normal phone calls.
P.S. Let's just say for a moment that I played by their rules even more, and didn't seek any perfectly legitimate loopholes like buying unlocked, and say I buy their 5GB/month tiered plan at $50/month, and let go of my unlimited data at $30/month. That means that I'm locked in for at least $480 more over the course of a new 2 year agreement, and potentially more if I end up paying any overages. Now that's just me, one person. I'm effectively cheating them (in their eyes) out of that money. Imagine if every unlimited data user did that too (and there are millions of them). Now can you see why AT&T would hate to be cheated (in their eyes) out of all that money? No can you see why they hate having to honour service to unlocked devices?
In the end AT&T is still a corporation, so it's all about the money for them. Thus, if by buying an unlocked device you are keeping them from getting more money out you, then by corporate default, they are not going to happy with that.

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You underestimate how much AT&T and most carriers love putting bloatware on your phone. For example most carriers until recently shipped phones with carrier IQ which would not be on your device if it was and unlocked international version.
Another example of carrier changes to stock, my sprint phone, when stock, runs through a sprint proxy and it can jack up media streaming and internet speeds until i remove it
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Carrier IQ sure, but it's being/has already been removed from AT&T devices, so it's no longer relevant. I didn't know about the Sprint proxy thing, but I've never heard of AT&T doing that. As for bloatware, my gut says that people who are knowledgeable enough to buy an unlocked handset from elsewhere are also not dumb enough to *use* AT&T bloatware when they do have AT&T-branded devices, and probably root and get rid of it immediately anyway.
I don't disagree with anything you said, but I don't see it as a compelling reason to try to block out non-AT&T-branded devices. Maybe the AT&T execs do.
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See that's just it though, even though technically I am playing by the rules, in the sense that I am not abusing the medianet plan, and in the sense that I am a paying customer, they still don't like it because of the fact that I am using a tablet as a phone as well.
Think about it. Can you go into an AT&T store right now and buy a tablet from them for anything other than pay-as-you-go? Nope. If you want data on your tablet, and you don't want to pay extra for its own 3G service, then you have to give up unlimited data and get an extra tethering add-on, so you'd have to pay extra that way instead.
AT&T doesn't want you to have a device that simply does it all. That's why they don't mind the Note so much, because frankly, having owned one since November, at the end of the day, it's really just a big Galaxy S2; if you want to do tablet stuff on it, you need a proper tablet, which the 7.7 is.
So here's the thing: By my buying an unlocked 7.7, thereby consolidating a true tablet and a smartphone, and by continuing to pay my $30/month unlimited plan, in AT&T's eyes, I'm effectively cheating them out of either pay-per-use data on one of their own 3G/LTE tablets, or I'm cheating them out of paying for a tiered plan instead, plus a tethering option. So yeah, they don't like that...
If US carriers had no issues with tablet's doubling as phones, then they would have allowed the original tab to keep its phone abilities, and Verizon wouldn't have gimped their version of the 7.7 so as not to be be capable of making normal phone calls.
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Yeah this makes sense I suppose. They want to either screw you on a tethering package or a separate tablet data plan, though if you're me you just don't play by the rules and tether without getting caught (please don't notice AT&T). I guess this also explains why people only have issues with tablets or things that seem like tablets (I recall seeing a lot of APN issues for the int'l Note as well).
Personally, I probably wouldn't pay for a data plan for my tab even if couldn't tether--while the tab is pocketable, it makes an uncomfortable bulge (and I don't really want to get into carrying a murse around), so I stick to my GS2 as an actual phone. Plus, 80% or so of my tab use is at home, and if you add in places where there is wifi anyway that's probably more like 95%.
For those of you who have a phone and separate tab data plan, I'm curious: why are you willing to pay an additional $20-$35 every month for tab data? Need a general-purpose hotspot for, say, a laptop? Can't tether to your phone? Laziness/convenience?

teiglin said:
Yeah this makes sense I suppose. They want to either screw you on a tethering package or a separate tablet data plan, though if you're me you just don't play by the rules and tether without getting caught (please don't notice AT&T).
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Just another reason to buy unlocked. I tether all the time with no issues. Just because they may have removed CarrierIQ, doesn't mean they haven't possibly baked their own monitoring tools into their devices and we just haven't found them yet. (I'm paranoid like that). I mean, I know they could technically do deep packet inspection and figure out that you're tethering anyway, regardless of whether you're using an unlocked device or not, but as a network engineer myself, I know that doing that is VERY resource intensive, and probably not nearly as cost effective for them compared to running a small client-side monitoring tool that alerts them to anomalous user activity.
Not saying they wouldn't possibly perform packet inspection, just saying it's not as likely as monitoring tools of some kind or another.
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Personally, I probably wouldn't pay for a data plan for my tab even if couldn't tether--while the tab is pocketable, it makes an uncomfortable bulge (and I don't really want to get into carrying a murse around), so I stick to my GS2 as an actual phone. Plus, 80% or so of my tab use is at home, and if you add in places where there is wifi anyway that's probably more like 95%.
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Valid points indeed. In fact, before getting my 7.7, I almost decided on sticking with my GS2 and getting a Prime instead. As you said, WiFi is just about everywhere, and for places where WiFi isn't present, I could have just tethered to my GS2.
At this point, it's a matter of personal preference really. For me, I would much rather have only to carry one device on me than two, even if it does kinda force me into using a murse, which I've actually come to like quite a lot! That's why I went with the 7.7 instead; all-in-one device consolidation.

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I mean, I know they could technically do deep packet inspection and figure out that you're tethering anyway, regardless of whether you're using an unlocked device or not, but as a network engineer myself, I know that doing that is VERY resource intensive, and probably not nearly as cost effective for them compared to running a small client-side monitoring tool that alerts them to anomalous user activity.
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Actually, I think the way they're figuring out if users are tethering isn't from any logging utility on the device, but that they are using some kind of pinging utility from their server side. When they get a response with a TTL of a different value than whatever the default is then they can derive that your device is functioning as a router. That's just a guess and I could be totally wrong about the specifics, but I think that they're not really doing deep packet inspection but rather just tracing back requests for internet data and comparing that to the baseline device profiles they have.

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Just another reason to buy unlocked. I tether all the time with no issues. Just because they may have removed CarrierIQ, doesn't mean they haven't possibly baked their own monitoring tools into their devices and we just haven't found them yet. (I'm paranoid like that). I mean, I know they could technically do deep packet inspection and figure out that you're tethering anyway, regardless of whether you're using an unlocked device or not, but as a network engineer myself, I know that doing that is VERY resource intensive, and probably not nearly as cost effective for them compared to running a small client-side monitoring tool that alerts them to anomalous user activity.
Not saying they wouldn't possibly perform packet inspection, just saying it's not as likely as monitoring tools of some kind or another.
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It's certainly possible, though I'm pretty sure I've heard of people getting caught on non-AT&T devices, as well as AT&T devices with non-AT&T-based ROMs, so at least in some cases they are performing deep inspection of packets (unless they just send out the effing letters at random, which is certainly plausible given the false positives some people have reported). And really, it's not like I need more reasons to prefer an unbranded device, since AT&T makes their equivalents worse almost every time. Still, I think there are a hundred other threads on these forums with all the various theories about how, when, and why they detect tethering, and I'm sure we have both read a number of them, so it probably isn't worth rehashing all this here.
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Valid points indeed. In fact, before getting my 7.7, I almost decided on sticking with my GS2 and getting a Prime instead. As you said, WiFi is just about everywhere, and for places where WiFi isn't present, I could have just tethered to my GS2.
At this point, it's a matter of personal preference really. For me, I would much rather have only to carry one device on me than two, even if it does kinda force me into using a murse, which I've actually come to like quite a lot! That's why I went with the 7.7 instead; all-in-one device consolidation.
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I totally agree that it's about personal preference phone use. If you're liking carrying a murse around, more power to ya, but I'm happier being able to keep everything in my pockets.
Plus, when I am carrying the tab around, I like not having to worry about keeping it charged. I don't treat my GS2 batteries very well because I am always leery of having my phone battery die while I'm out somewhere, especially when I know I'll be tethering or playing games. But I'm really not worried about the lifetime of my $12 Anker batteries; if they don't hold a charge well tomorrow, they're super easy to replace. With the tab, I feel more obliged to take care of the non-replaceable battery--always let it almost fully discharge, not leaving it plugged in too long when fully charged, that sort of thing--and I would find that very inconvenient for my primary device.

question for 3G user

i would like to know do you guys actually use it as a phone or do you guys have 2 sim card? (one for your phone and one for 7.7)
i am not going to have 2 sims as it is too expensive for me and if i wana switch the sim from my desire hd to 7.7 i will need to switch off my phone which is very inconvenient. Which makes me think that even if i have the phone feature will i actually use it? or should i just get the wifi version and connect to the internet through my phone.
also if i wana insert/remove sim for the 7.7 do i have to switch off the tab?
thank you guys

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i would like to know do you guys actually use it as a phone or do you guys have 2 sim card? (one for your phone and one for 7.7)
i am not going to have 2 sims as it is too expensive for me and if i wana switch the sim from my desire hd to 7.7 i will need to switch off my phone which is very inconvenient. Which makes me think that even if i have the phone feature will i actually use it? or should i just get the wifi version and connect to the internet through my phone.
also if i wana insert/remove sim for the 7.7 do i have to switch off the tab?
thank you guys
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The Tab will restart by itself when you insert a SIM. You can turn off packet data for your Desire while the SIM is in another device and use it on wifi.
For myself, I've not bothered to use the 7.7 as a daily phone since I like to walk around unencumbered. But, for short weekend trips and the like it is useful to just have one all-purpose device.

burhanistan said:
The Tab will restart by itself when you insert a SIM. You can turn off packet data for your Desire while the SIM is in another device and use it on wifi.
For myself, I've not bothered to use the 7.7 as a daily phone since I like to walk around unencumbered. But, for short weekend trips and the like it is useful to just have one all-purpose device.
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i agreed especially if the phones battery died lol
thanks for your reply

K999rrl said:
i would like to know do you guys actually use it as a phone or do you guys have 2 sim card? (one for your phone and one for 7.7)
i am not going to have 2 sims as it is too expensive for me and if i wana switch the sim from my desire hd to 7.7 i will need to switch off my phone which is very inconvenient. Which makes me think that even if i have the phone feature will i actually use it? or should i just get the wifi version and connect to the internet through my phone.
also if i wana insert/remove sim for the 7.7 do i have to switch off the tab?
thank you guys
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No need for 2 Sims as long as your sim has both data and voice you are good to go.
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adinis78 said:
No need for 2 Sims as long as your sim has both data and voice you are good to go.
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I think the question was more was it worth it to have a data-enabled 7.7 when they already have an Android phone with a data plan and if the phone functionality of the 7.7 was a compelling reason to get it over the 6810 model.
It's really a choice that you'll have to make yourself based on your usage and finances. If you can use your phone as a hotspot for the 7.7 and don't ever plan on using it to make voice calls (you can still use various apps to make calls with your Google Voice account over wifi). But, charges for a separate data plan can add up and may not be worth it. I have a SIM from my work-provided Elevate hotspot so I use that with the 7.7, but if I didn't have that comped I'd probably go without a second plan.
Bottom line, in this case I would probably spend the extra money to get the 6800 over the 6810. The 6800 works fine over wifi without a SIM (although it will have an annoying message on the stock lockscreen about it). Then, you'd have that full functionality when you needed to use it with your phone's SIM.

I still have a phone and this tablet mainly because i don't wanna part with my good sprint sero plan. However for now i do have a tablet data plan for the 7.7 and i have made a call or 2 using a voip client and it worked no problem.

I use my 7.7 as a daily driver because I'm usually just sitting at work most of the time anyway. If I know I'm going to be on the move, I can just as easily swap my SIM into my GS2 or Note instead, and leave the 7.7 at home. It's nice having options!

I am using my 7.7 with a data only sim which I got from my cable/ISP company for free. On my phone I only have a 100 MB/Month data plan (using it only for e-mail and this plan is more than enough) and I am using the tablet for internet browsing and entertainment.
IMHO if you already have a data enabled phone and a good data plan it is not worth to spend extra cash for a 3G enabled 7.7, as u can use the phone as a hotspot
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regius said:
I am using my 7.7 with a data only sim which I got from my cable/ISP company for free. On my phone I only have a 100 MB/Month data plan (using it only for e-mail and this plan is more than enough) and I am using the tablet for internet browsing and entertainment.
IMHO if you already have a data enabled phone and a good data plan it is not worth to spend extra cash for a 3G enabled 7.7, as u can use the phone as a hotspot
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Man, I wish my ISP would give me a data SIM for free. I need to remind myself that I calibrate my cost/value estimates based on the BS that US carriers require, and not every country is like that.

Tab 7.7 with 3G sim + HTC HD2 Android with 3G sim. My ISP has a neat deal where for an extra $10SGD/mth, I get to use an additional sim that shares the data of my main plan.
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Geez, thanks for all the reminders that US telecoms are complete rip-offs [REDACTED RANT ABOUT CAPITALISM]

I have the Gnote using my ATT sim card (from my previous Atrix).
Im paying for the 2G data plan along with my 700 minutes phone plan.
On weekends, I pull the Note's sim and put it in my 7-7.....
I have no problems as the 7.7 does fit in my pocket about 90%.
All is well!!! I like it this way!
good luck.....

same here
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Tab 7.7 with 3G sim + HTC HD2 Android with 3G sim. My ISP has a neat deal where for an extra $10SGD/mth, I get to use an additional sim that shares the data of my main plan.
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Same here exept my provider delever 2 extra 3g simcard for free. If this was not the case i dont think i would buy another plan for the tab

I got a multi sim plan from my provider in Singapore. Basically it's 2 sim card tied to the same mobile number. I put one into my mobile and another one in the tab and from there I share both outgoing voice and data on a single mobile plan. I do need to select one of my device as the primary incoming phone and this can be easily switched by sending a short code through the phone which I want to designate as the primary phone. With this I use my tab as my phone on weekends.

How well does this Tab work for any of you that use it as a daily driver? I'm SERIOUSLY thinking about trading my GSM GNex off for one, and just use it for a daily driver. I thought about the 7.0 Plus, but this is so much better specced, and the size difference is fairly negligible between this Tab and the 7.0 Plus, so why not go with the better version? I figure a set of headphones, like the Klipsch S4a, and I'm in business.

I have one simcard at the moment in the tab, and haven't used my HTC Desire in a week.
But I consider putting the card back in the Desire and get a prepaid dataplan for 14.99 a month with 5GB at 3g speed and unlimmited GPRS.

I would recommend getting the 3g version of the 7.7 because the signal reception is better than a phone because of the increased size. I was on holiday recently and I could not get a reliable high speed Internet connection on my Note where I was staying so tethering was not possible, but I got a good high speed connection on the 7.7. Also, with a 3g version of the 7.7 it can act as a backup phone and allow the 7.7 and phone to use the Internet independently.

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I would recommend getting the 3g version of the 7.7 because the signal reception is better than a phone because of the increased size. I was on holiday recently and I could not get a reliable high speed Internet connection on my Note where I was staying so tethering was not possible, but I got a good high speed connection on the 7.7. Also, with a 3g version of the 7.7 it can act as a backup phone and allow the 7.7 and phone to use the Internet independently.
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I bought a One X, but still considering this. I take it you love the 7.7 for all around use? How awkward was it as a DD?
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Hemlocke said:
I bought a One X, but still considering this. I take it you love the 7.7 for all around use? How awkward was it as a DD?
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The 7.7 is very good for all round use and the screen resolution is a vast improvement over the original P1000 which makes it much better for Web browsing, watching videos etc. It is also very portable because of the 7" format and slim design and can easily be carried in ladies handbags or large pockets.
However, there are certain situations with any Tablet or smart phone where it is not possible to zoom Internet pages making it very difficult to select items using fingers for example when selecting items on financial charts when trading. You can overcome this problem by using a Bluetooth mouse or wired mouse and USB adapter. I would like Samsung to add their S-Pen to the 7.7 like the Note which would solve the problem without the need to carry extra hardware.

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The 7.7 is very good for all round use and the screen resolution is a vast improvement over the original P1000 which makes it much better for Web browsing, watching videos etc. It is also very portable because of the 7" format and slim design and can easily be carried in ladies handbags or large pockets.
However, there are certain situations with any Tablet or smart phone where it is not possible to zoom Internet pages making it very difficult to select items using fingers for example when selecting items on financial charts when trading. You can overcome this problem by using a Bluetooth mouse or wired mouse and USB adapter. I would like Samsung to add their S-Pen to the 7.7 like the Note which would solve the problem without the need to carry extra hardware.
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Thanks. Yeah, if Sammy wants to differentiate, S-Pen at 5.3,7.7,and 10.1 makes sense. I would just buy the Note, but kind of curious about this year's model.
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T-mo wifi calling?

Wondering if the device will support t-mo's wifi calling app. That's pretty much the deciding factor for me.****ty coverage where I am and I need it. I would buy the one from the play store, but the issue is if it's an app it may be firmware specific to the T-mo sold one maybe? I'm not sure how it'll work but has anyone heard anything? Really wanna get this launch day

I don't know about the Nexus 4 or t-mo's wifi calling but I use my Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 WiFi only to make calls using GrooVe IP Lite for free it should work with an unlocked Nexas 4 also I would think without even having a regular phone connection like t-mobile.

miker525 said:
Wondering if the device will support t-mo's wifi calling app. That's pretty much the deciding factor for me.****ty coverage where I am and I need it. I would buy the one from the play store, but the issue is if it's an app it may be firmware specific to the T-mo sold one maybe? I'm not sure how it'll work but has anyone heard anything? Really wanna get this launch day
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Until now the T-Mobile WiFi Calling app required a radio/kernel combination that maybe only the T-Mobile version might have … Having said that since both would be pretty similar after getting kernel source from both it could be ported later on the near future … Unless T-Mobile its not planning on supporting it OR goes the Skype route and re-writes the app all together …..

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I don't know about the Nexus 4 or t-mo's wifi calling but I use my Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 WiFi only to make calls using GrooVe IP Lite for free it should work with an unlocked Nexas 4 also I would think without even having a regular phone connection like t-mobile.
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Agreed. Use groove ip.
Hit me up on Gtalk if u need help @musclehead84

Nope this isn't going to happen. Nexus devices don't come preloaded with any additional software and/or features.
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If it has the hardware compatibility then it could simply be enabled via an app on the play store. I have also read it dependent on the kernel so maybe its something the t-mobile version would be including with their own nexus 4's and the app download would activate it. Which means some XDA hackery and a kernel flash could remedy all the play store purchasers on T-mobile. Here to hoping. Overall though based on the Nexus privy, its not likely.

watermoore said:
If it has the hardware compatibility then it could simply be enabled via an app on the play store. I have also read it dependent on the kernel so maybe its something the t-mobile version would be including with their own nexus 4's and the app download would activate it. Which means some XDA hackery and a kernel flash could remedy all the play store purchasers on T-mobile. Here to hoping. Overall though based on the Nexus privy, its not likely.
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T-Mobile's version is NOT modified at all, in any way, zero, nothing. They will hand you an identical device that someone who ordered through the Play Store will get.

http://www.tmonews.com/2012/10/psa-sorry-everyone-no-wi-fi-calling-on-the-nexus-4/
According to tmonews, as expected there won't be wifi calling

There won't be wifi calling, and this is a good thing. If they allowed T-mobile to tweak the firmware, and add their own bloatware, this would no longer be a Nexus device!

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There won't be wifi calling, and this is a good thing. If they allowed T-mobile to tweak the firmware, and add their own bloatware, this would no longer be a Nexus device!
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Disagree.... would be nice if we could at least download WifiCalling from Market... I've made infrequent use of WifiCalling on my Sensation4G.. but the times I did use it, it was a significant help. I care more about this than SD slot or removable battery. Hopefully it is something which some DEV can get to work (once there is a TMo phone with JB version.

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Disagree.... would be nice if we could at least download WifiCalling from Market... I've made infrequent use of WifiCalling on my Sensation4G.. but the times I did use it, it was a significant help. I care more about this than SD slot or removable battery. Hopefully it is something which some DEV can get to work (once there is a TMo phone with JB version.
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Sounds more like you agree. Yeah if T-Mobile could make something you download from Google Play that enables wifi calling, that would be great. Love it or hate it, it's not going to be baked into the ROM. Google learned from letting Verizon have control over their Galaxy Nexus.

unfortunately seems right. With the question I didn't mean if tmo would modify the phone, I love nexus because there free of ****wear, but the wifi calling app is something I'd still have loved to see. Was hoping they'd bring to play store or something. Now I'm really at an impass though. At college with not much coverage and wanted this phone bad, but without wifi calling using the phone may be somewhat of an issue. Yeah I could use GrooVip but I'm not sure if that's really good enough. Maybe I'll give it a go. If it sucks I can switch to att at the end of my contract and use the same device to hopefully get service.

miker525 said:
unfortunately seems right. With the question I didn't mean if tmo would modify the phone, I love nexus because there free of ****wear, but the wifi calling app is something I'd still have loved to see. Was hoping they'd bring to play store or something. Now I'm really at an impass though. At college with not much coverage and wanted this phone bad, but without wifi calling using the phone may be somewhat of an issue. Yeah I could use GrooVip but I'm not sure if that's really good enough. Maybe I'll give it a go. If it sucks I can switch to att at the end of my contract and use the same device to hopefully get service.
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GRoove sucks, there is a delay that you can't get rid of. Okay in a pinch but not worthy of real use

T-Mo fail!!!
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/10/psa-sorry-everyone-no-wi-fi-calling-on-the-nexus-4/

Lucke said:
T-Mo fail!!!
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/10/psa-sorry-everyone-no-wi-fi-calling-on-the-nexus-4/
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How is that a T-Mobile fail?

rmkilc said:
How is that a T-Mobile fail?
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apparently, T-Mo is taking a functionality away from their own store bought phones, as opposed to the Google Play Store purchased phones. That is a fail (along with the pricing debacle, ie, paying more to be locked into a contract).
but i don't have T-Mo, so i don't really care :victory:
*EDIT* and apparently i jumped the gun and am completely wrong about this whole situation... oops

Lucke said:
apparently, T-Mo is taking a functionality away from their own store bought phones, as opposed to the Google Play Store purchased phones. That is a fail (along with the pricing debacle, ie, paying more to be locked into a contract).
but i don't have T-Mo, so i don't really care :victory:
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It is not a fail. They are selling a Nexus device. Nexus devices are pure Android, no added carrier bloatware.

No wifi calling is a deal killer for me.
It is not something that could ever be downloaded from the play store because of the way it works. It needs to interface with the radio at a low level. If TMO doesnt do it, it will never be added to the phone.
This is not a piece of "bloatware" for TMO users. This is a very very useful function which cannot technically be done any other way. An exception should have been made.

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No wifi calling is a deal killer for me.
It is not something that could ever be downloaded from the play store because of the way it works. It needs to interface with the radio at a low level. If TMO doesnt do it, it will never be added to the phone.
This is not a piece of "bloatware" for TMO users. This is a very very useful function which cannot technically be done any other way. An exception should have been made.
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You are under the assumption "bloatware" = "something bad". Some bloatware can be good, or useful. If you need TMO's wifi calling feature, a Nexus device is not for you. Get a Galaxy S III or something that T-Mobile was able to get their hands on the software and add their own here it comes-bloatware!

Argh.. yes I forgot... I do use WiFi calling in buildings sometimes.. the reception is so bad on the cell radio, its the only way to get calls sometimes... this is not a trivial thing to lose