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[Q] Samsung Tab Tethering

I am a newbie Android addict (ditched my iphone for Samsung Captivate w/AT&T) and LOVE it. I'm also new to this site so please forgive if this has already been covered but I couldn't find it.
I would love to get the new Samsung Tab as soon as it hits the U.S. market but no way do I want to pay for an additional data plan. Will there be a way to tether the tablet to my Captivate? And if so, how? I am desperate for an answer. Please, please someone tell me if this is possible or not? Thanks in advance!
Robin

what will happen is you are going to have to pay full price.. 649 for one with no contract. You can root it (captivate) and tether via wifi using tether app.... then when it (the Tab) gets modded to use voice (which I plan on) then you can mod that rom on and then put your sim into the TAb..
pretty much my plan except on tmobile.. and i would be tethering with my g1

This also is my plan, but on AT&T and tethered to my Aria. But this depends on whether or not the required phone hardware is installed on the US version and can be accessed with rooted ROM.

no6969el said:
what will happen is you are going to have to pay full price.. 649 for one with no contract. You can root it (captivate) and tether via wifi using tether app.... then when it (the Tab) gets modded to use voice (which I plan on) then you can mod that rom on and then put your sim into the TAb..
pretty much my plan except on tmobile.. and i would be tethering with my g1
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Hm? Is it confirmed that the US version would still have voice capability? Last I heard someone was suggesting to wait for people to take it apart to make sure the hardwares are all there.

dliao said:
Hm? Is it confirmed that the US version would still have voice capability? Last I heard someone was suggesting to wait for people to take it apart to make sure the hardwares are all there.
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AFAIK there will be WiFi-only and 3G version in various different flavours, as well as a CDMA version for Sprints aging technology.

dliao said:
Hm? Is it confirmed that the US version would still have voice capability? Last I heard someone was suggesting to wait for people to take it apart to make sure the hardwares are all there.
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If it can do 3g data I don't see how the hardware can not be there.
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AFAIK there will be WiFi-only and 3G version in various different flavours, as well as a CDMA version for Sprints aging technology.
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Indeed
If you aren't going to use the data line, then tbh I'd just wait for the wifi only version. No reason to pay extra for something you won't use. You will still be able to use the wireless AP on the captivate to tether.

clubtech said:
If it can do 3g data I don't see how the hardware can not be there.
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Did you ever make a cellular voice call from a 3G-equipped laptop? No? Well thats because there is no audio in/out from the 3G module in a laptop. The wires are not there. Its definitely possible for Samsung to neuter the tab in that way if they want to...

[Q] Is the 3G model going to be worth it in the USA?

Anyone have any ideas if the 3G will be worth it, there are some discouraging posts over at the notion ink blog, in the comments section, about the bandwidth limitations on the 3G models and them being selected for you, instead of allowing us to pick our own.
(I am one of the ones that did not get a pre-order in on time)

It would be considered a new contract on AT&T so you would not have unlimited data. Also in the US it is only for AT&T

Why thank you for that, being a sprint person, and an Android lover, AT&T is certainly not something I want to deal with, at least that helps me with my decision, I'll just have to use a USB Sprint 4G adapter... :

finndo said:
Why thank you for that, being a sprint person, and an Android lover, AT&T is certainly not something I want to deal with, at least that helps me with my decision, I'll just have to use a USB Sprint 4G adapter... :
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If you have an android phone I would recommend root it and install wifi tether. Rooting is a very simple process for the EVO at unrevoked.com and I am not sure if it will have support for a usb adapter. You might get the MiFi that is coming to Sprint soon.

Interesting topic. Since I am also on Sprint, its probably better off just getting the Wifi version and wifi tether to the EVO or pdanet. Now when Traveling overseas where Sprint doesn't work (except Jamaica and Taiwan) I guess the wifi will have to just do.
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smedley.jason said:
If you have an android phone I would recommend root it and install wifi tether. Rooting is a very simple process for the EVO at unrevoked.com and I am not sure if it will have support for a usb adapter. You might get the MiFi that is coming to Sprint soon.
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twospirits said:
Interesting topic. Since I am also on Sprint, its probably better off just getting the Wifi version and wifi tether to the EVO or pdanet. Now when Traveling overseas where Sprint doesn't work (except Jamaica and Taiwan) I guess the wifi will have to just do.
TS
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Can you tether an Android device to an Android device? I have purchased EasyTether, I use it for work when I have to drive between states, but did not know they made an Android app to tether to, I thought it only worked on PC's. I'll have to go to their website and look into it.

On Android if you root it you can install a WiFi Tether application that allows you to turn your phone into a hot spot without having to pay Sprint.
http://lifehacker.com/5447347/how-to-tether-your-android-phone

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On Android if you root it you can install a WiFi Tether application that allows you to turn your phone into a hot spot without having to pay Sprint.
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oh ok, yeah I forgot you can make it a hotspot... since I don't need that function right now...
good call. Yeah, I'll stick with the wifi model.

You are correct, I keep forgetting that pdanet only has the PC drivers.
TS

Or if you don't want to root and get good T-Mobile service, the Nexus One/S can be a Wifi hotspot out of the box.
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Vandalet said:
Or if you don't want to root and get good T-Mobile service, the Nexus One/S can be a Wifi hotspot out of the box.
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If you are on T-Mobile you can specify the overseas version by emailing them and it is capable to connect to T-Mobile.

Vandalet said:
Or if you don't want to root and get good T-Mobile service, the Nexus One/S can be a Wifi hotspot out of the box.
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I thought WifI Hotspot tethering was a standard feature in Froyo...
I have it on my Desire (yes it's rooted, but I think the hotspot functionality was part of the original ROM).

litening said:
I thought WifI Hotspot tethering was a standard feature in Froyo...
I have it on my Desire (yes it's rooted, but I think the hotspot functionality was part of the original ROM).
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It is a standard feature but the service providers locked it down so you would have to pay them to use it. The nexus one and s are the only ones that have it enabled.

You can pick your carrier with the adam
Rohan's interview on Android Police states:
AP: Regarding the 3G model, how many frequency sets are being offered? In the US, AT&T and T-Mobile run on different 3G bands, necessitating at least two US 3G models.
Rohan: Initially we offered only one 3G module which was suited for AT&T, but then when customers requested we changed their models. From next pre-order everyone will be given an option of deciding their own 3G module for a specific frequency.
So, if you have already pre-ordered but want a different carrier...email them and provide your order info with your carrier preference. If you pre-order now you will have an option to indicate your choice

Data limitations will be determined by cell carrier not this device. And yes, every company but Sprint has a limit on data right now. Come to think of it, Sprint might have a limit for their USB hotspot and for the devices that have an EVDO radio in them, not sure on that.
Regardless as others stated, if this bothers you just wifi tether. But I have a Chrome Netbook with a verizon connection in it and I love it. Not having to deal with wifi tether all the time is nice.

webs05 said:
Data limitations will be determined by cell carrier not this device. And yes, every company but Sprint has a limit on data right now. Come to think of it, Sprint might have a limit for their USB hotspot and for the devices that have an EVDO radio in them, not sure on that.
Regardless as others stated, if this bothers you just wifi tether. But I have a Chrome Netbook with a verizon connection in it and I love it. Not having to deal with wifi tether all the time is nice.
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i'm jealous, i have been hoping everyday a cr-48 would be waiting for me when i get home.

Crimton said:
i'm jealous, i have been hoping everyday a cr-48 would be waiting for me when i get home.
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Don't worry he only has a 100Mb of data.

smedley.jason said:
Don't worry he only has a 100Mb of data.
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but it was free! free things are my favorite

Crimton said:
but it was free! free things are my favorite
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I know i'm jealous as well.

I just ordered my Adam and the only model left was the Pixel Qi 3G version. If I had a choice, I would have gone wifi only because I don't have AT&T as a carrier (I have Verizon). Was it just me that found a lack of info on the website about the 3G carrier requirements? It wouldn't have changed my order (because I ordered to late), but it seemed a little vague. I'm still stoked to get the adam though.
Cheers!

Note vs 7.7 on ATT, opinions welcomed

So ATT is advertizing as having the Note and on the commercial is states the device as being a phone and a tab, so why will they not allow the 7.7 to run on their system the same way? I am not an ATT customer but if i were and had both devices i would be extremelly upset if they were giving me a hard time with the 7.7. Please share your thoughts.
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adinis78 said:
So ATT is advertizing as having the Note and on the commercial is states the device as being a phone and a tab, so why will they not allow the 7.7 to run on their system the same way? I am not an ATT customer but if i were and had both devices i would be extremelly upset if they were giving me a hard time with the 7.7. Please share your thoughts.
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I have both devices on AT&T. No issues using either (both are unlocked and international).
7.7 is my primary daily driver. Note is cool and all, but without ICS, it kinda sucks compared to the 7.7, especially for web browsing.

I used Straight Talk for the Note I had. I also have the 7.7 6800 (WiFi only).
My Razr is my go to phone. The Note is too big for a phone and too small for a tablet IMHO. The Note, to me, was a fun toy and that was about it. Now when the waccom tech comes out for the 7.7/8.9/10.1 Tabs and if they have 3G/LTE/Data capabilities, I think the Note will all but become useless.
I've had quite a few Galaxy Tabs, but the Note just felt cheaply made to me. It was nice don't get me wrong, but nothing like the others I've had. Also the price to play w/ an International Note is not worth it when looking back on it.
I'd get a 7.7 International 3G if I were you. Many people have reported using it w/ AT&T and if you want to use it as a phone just use a bluetooth headset. Save your money and don't buy a Note.
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Jade Eyed Wolf said:
I have both devices on AT&T. No issues using either (both are unlocked and international).
7.7 is my primary daily driver. Note is cool and all, but without ICS, it kinda sucks compared to the 7.7, especially for web browsing.
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I had the leaked Chinese ROM on my Note and was sorely disappointed with Samsung's TW'd ICS...
RocketROM was better, smoother, clocked higher, etc.

got556 said:
I had the leaked Chinese ROM on my Note and was sorely disappointed with Samsung's TW'd ICS...
RocketROM was better, smoother, clocked higher, etc.
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TBH, I'm not so interested in ICS for using it as a phone on the Note; I want to mod the DPI so that the Note behaves in tablet mode instead. Been doing that with CM9, and I can't go back. I love it! Until there's a fully functioning ICS ROM for the Note that will allow me to run in Tablet mode, I'm sticking to my 7.7. Oh and by fully functioning, I mean everything from S-Pen to MHL, to USB OTG, etc.

The 7.7 would be perfect it it has an S-pen and the note is just an amazing device for drawing and note taking.

To be clear I do have the import 7.7and using straight talk. I wanted to get everybodies opinions on as to why ATT has no issues running their version of the Note as phone and tab but has major issues running the 7.7 which is pretty much the same as Note just bigger size.
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adinis78 said:
To be clear I do have the import 7.7and using straight talk. I wanted to get everybodies opinions on as to why ATT has no issues running their version of the Note as phone and tab but has major issues running the 7.7 which is pretty much the same as Note just bigger size.
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I'm not sure what you're talking about here. What major issues do you think people are having by running an unlocked 7.7 on AT&T? I've been doing this since January with no issues whatsoever (apart from having been throttled, but that's neither here nor there).

adinis78 said:
To be clear I do have the import 7.7and using straight talk. I wanted to get everybodies opinions on as to why ATT has no issues running their version of the Note as phone and tab but has major issues running the 7.7 which is pretty much the same as Note just bigger size.
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What are "major issues"? I'm using an unlocked international 6800 on AT&T with no issues at all. Are they sending you messages about not using it or changing your plan?

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TBH, I'm not so interested in ICS for using it as a phone on the Note; I want to mod the DPI so that the Note behaves in tablet mode instead. Been doing that with CM9, and I can't go back. I love it! Until there's a fully functioning ICS ROM for the Note that will allow me to run in Tablet mode, I'm sticking to my 7.7. Oh and by fully functioning, I mean everything from S-Pen to MHL, to USB OTG, etc.
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The Chinese Rom w/ 240 DPI was pretty stable for me. And I too don't understand what major issues you think AT&T users are having. Many of us have stated multiple times there are no issues.

There are many people that get messages that their tab is unsupported and need to change plan and stuff like that. The 7.7 is both a tab and a phone so is the Note, so why would the ATT branded version of the Note be OK to use but the 7.7 won't be. I am talking about those that get a sim with voice and data and insert it on the 7.7 and then start getting messages stating they need to change plan but if they use that same sim on an ATT branded Note they will not have that issue. I hope people can understand what I am trying to point out. Why does ATT have an issue with the tab working like the Note.
EDIT : another reason I started this is because there is another thread about ATT blocking the 3G data on their tabs while using an old sim that already has 3G service. I know that their are work arounds to this but I am sure that if that same sim where to be put into the ATT branded Note it would not be a problem so why is it with tab, again the tab and Note are essentially the same device.
Will not try to continue this thread if people are not getting what I am trying to point out.
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adinis78 said:
There are many people that get messages that their tab is unsupported and need to change plan and stuff like that. The 7.7 is both a tab and a phone so is the Note, so why would the ATT branded version of the Note be OK to use but the 7.7 won't be. I am talking about those that get a sim with voice and data and insert it on the 7.7 and then start getting messages stating they need to change plan but if they use that same sim on an ATT branded Note they will not have that issue. I hope people can understand what I am trying to point out. Why does ATT have an issue with the tab working like the Note.
EDIT : another reason I started this is because there is another thread about ATT blocking the 3G data on their tabs while using an old sim that already has 3G service. I know that their are work arounds to this but I am sure that if that same sim where to be put into the ATT branded Note it would not be a problem so why is it with tab, again the tab and Note are essentially the same device.
Will not try to continue this thread if people are not getting what I am trying to point out.
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Mainly, because AT&T doesn't sell the 7.7 but they do sell the Note. That's really it. They're not getting any cash from Samsung when you use the 7.7 on their network. You should be able to add an APN named "Broadband" to your to continue to use data.

Ok, I consider myself to be somewhat of an AT&T expert here, so let me set some things straight:
If you have an unlimited data plan for NON-smartphones ($15/month), then AT&T is likely to get nasty with you.
If you have an unlimited data plan for iPhone, or Blackberry, ($30/month), then AT&T will likely ask you to switch to an unlimited smartphone data plan for the same price, but you can continue to use that with no issues, apart from the throttling woes that ALL grandfathered unlimited users are experiencing.
If you already have an unlimited smartphone plan ($30/month), you should have no issues again, apart from the aforementioned throttling issues.
These legacy unlimited plans should only work with the Phone and the wap.cingular APN's. The Broadband APN shouldn't work, nor should the pta APN (unless you're on an unlimited LTE plan).
The more modern plans (tiered plans) should all work just fine without any issues. The Broadband APN on those plans should only work if you have a tethering add-on.
AT&T is a GSM provider, and as such, to remain GSM compliant, they need to allow unlocked devices to work on their network, whether they like it or not.

Essentially it is all about money and how much they can get out of you.
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Jade Eyed Wolf said:
AT&T is a GSM provider, and as such, to remain GSM compliant, they need to allow unlocked devices to work on their network, whether they like it or not.
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Do the actually dislike it, though? I mean, sure, you don't have to sign a contract to use an unlocked phone, but as long as you're still paying the same monthly service fee as everyone else, why would they care? (Of course if you're abusing the medianet plan, then I can understand them trying to crack down.) They still have a paying customer AND they don't have to pay a phone subsidy to keep you. Being one of only two national GSM carriers in the US, and given that T-Mo requires AWS for much of their 3G coverage, AT&T basically has a lock on you if you want to use the vast majority of unlocked GSM phones.
I just don't see why AT&T would have a problem with this from a corporate policy perspective. Obviously some devices, especially ones that are sort of corner cases like the P6800, will have issues, and their call center people are probably clueless in most cases to help resolve these issues. But you can't logically go from "this device has some issues with AT&T's default network configuration" to "AT&T hates this device and all unlocked devices."

adinis78 said:
To be clear I do have the import 7.7and using straight talk. I wanted to get everybodies opinions on as to why ATT has no issues running their version of the Note as phone and tab but has major issues running the 7.7 which is pretty much the same as Note just bigger size.
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the major issuses people had was when we tried to use a go-phone sim card in the 7.7 and the data did not work. As far as i know regular att plans work fine and i can confim that tablet data plans work if you care.
Jade Eyed Wolf said:
The more modern plans (tiered plans) should all work just fine without any issues. The Broadband APN on those plans should only work if you have a tethering add-on.
AT&T is a GSM provider, and as such, to remain GSM compliant, they need to allow unlocked devices to work on their network, whether they like it or not.
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The broadband apn works for tablet specific data plans
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Do the actually dislike it, though? I mean, sure, you don't have to sign a contract to use an unlocked phone, but as long as you're still paying the same monthly service fee as everyone else, why would they care? (Of course if you're abusing the medianet plan, then I can understand them trying to crack down.) They still have a paying customer AND they don't have to pay a phone subsidy to keep you. Being one of only two national GSM carriers in the US, and given that T-Mo requires AWS for much of their 3G coverage, AT&T basically has a lock on you if you want to use the vast majority of unlocked GSM phones.
I just don't see why AT&T would have a problem with this from a corporate policy perspective. Obviously some devices, especially ones that are sort of corner cases like the P6800, will have issues, and their call center people are probably clueless in most cases to help resolve these issues. But you can't logically go from "this device has some issues with AT&T's default network configuration" to "AT&T hates this device and all unlocked devices."
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You underestimate how much AT&T and most carriers love putting bloatware on your phone. For example most carriers until recently shipped phones with carrier IQ which would not be on your device if it was and unlocked international version.
Another example of carrier changes to stock, my sprint phone, when stock, runs through a sprint proxy and it can jack up media streaming and internet speeds until i remove it

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Do the actually dislike it, though? I mean, sure, you don't have to sign a contract to use an unlocked phone, but as long as you're still paying the same monthly service fee as everyone else, why would they care? (Of course if you're abusing the medianet plan, then I can understand them trying to crack down.) They still have a paying customer AND they don't have to pay a phone subsidy to keep you. Being one of only two national GSM carriers in the US, and given that T-Mo requires AWS for much of their 3G coverage, AT&T basically has a lock on you if you want to use the vast majority of unlocked GSM phones.
I just don't see why AT&T would have a problem with this from a corporate policy perspective. Obviously some devices, especially ones that are sort of corner cases like the P6800, will have issues, and their call center people are probably clueless in most cases to help resolve these issues. But you can't logically go from "this device has some issues with AT&T's default network configuration" to "AT&T hates this device and all unlocked devices."
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See that's just it though, even though technically I am playing by the rules, in the sense that I am not abusing the medianet plan, and that I am still a loyal paying customer, they still don't like the fact that I am using a tablet as a phone as well, because they're not getting as much money out of me as they could be, and in their eyes, should be.
Think about it. Can you go into an AT&T store right now and buy a tablet from them for anything other than pay-as-you-go? Nope. If you want data on your tablet, and you don't want to pay extra for its own 3G service, then you have to give up unlimited data and get an extra tethering add-on, so you'd have to pay extra that way instead.
AT&T doesn't want you to have a device that simply does it all. That's why they don't mind the Note so much, because frankly, having owned one since November, at the end of the day, it's really just a big Galaxy S2; if you want to do tablet stuff on it, you need a proper tablet, which the 7.7 is.
So here's the thing: By my buying an unlocked 7.7, thereby consolidating a true tablet and a smartphone, and by continuing to pay my $30/month unlimited plan, in AT&T's eyes, I'm effectively cheating them out of either pay-per-use data on one of their own 3G/LTE tablets, or I'm cheating them out of paying for a tiered plan instead, plus a tethering option. So yeah, they don't like that...
If US carriers had no issues with tablet's doubling as phones, then they would have allowed the original tab to keep its phone abilities, and Verizon wouldn't have gimped their version of the 7.7 so as not to be capable of making normal phone calls.
P.S. Let's just say for a moment that I played by their rules even more, and didn't seek any perfectly legitimate loopholes like buying unlocked, and say I buy their 5GB/month tiered plan at $50/month, and let go of my unlimited data at $30/month. That means that I'm locked in for at least $480 more over the course of a new 2 year agreement, and potentially more if I end up paying any overages. Now that's just me, one person. I'm effectively cheating them (in their eyes) out of that money. Imagine if every unlimited data user did that too (and there are millions of them). Now can you see why AT&T would hate to be cheated (in their eyes) out of all that money? No can you see why they hate having to honour service to unlocked devices?
In the end AT&T is still a corporation, so it's all about the money for them. Thus, if by buying an unlocked device you are keeping them from getting more money out you, then by corporate default, they are not going to happy with that.

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You underestimate how much AT&T and most carriers love putting bloatware on your phone. For example most carriers until recently shipped phones with carrier IQ which would not be on your device if it was and unlocked international version.
Another example of carrier changes to stock, my sprint phone, when stock, runs through a sprint proxy and it can jack up media streaming and internet speeds until i remove it
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Carrier IQ sure, but it's being/has already been removed from AT&T devices, so it's no longer relevant. I didn't know about the Sprint proxy thing, but I've never heard of AT&T doing that. As for bloatware, my gut says that people who are knowledgeable enough to buy an unlocked handset from elsewhere are also not dumb enough to *use* AT&T bloatware when they do have AT&T-branded devices, and probably root and get rid of it immediately anyway.
I don't disagree with anything you said, but I don't see it as a compelling reason to try to block out non-AT&T-branded devices. Maybe the AT&T execs do.
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See that's just it though, even though technically I am playing by the rules, in the sense that I am not abusing the medianet plan, and in the sense that I am a paying customer, they still don't like it because of the fact that I am using a tablet as a phone as well.
Think about it. Can you go into an AT&T store right now and buy a tablet from them for anything other than pay-as-you-go? Nope. If you want data on your tablet, and you don't want to pay extra for its own 3G service, then you have to give up unlimited data and get an extra tethering add-on, so you'd have to pay extra that way instead.
AT&T doesn't want you to have a device that simply does it all. That's why they don't mind the Note so much, because frankly, having owned one since November, at the end of the day, it's really just a big Galaxy S2; if you want to do tablet stuff on it, you need a proper tablet, which the 7.7 is.
So here's the thing: By my buying an unlocked 7.7, thereby consolidating a true tablet and a smartphone, and by continuing to pay my $30/month unlimited plan, in AT&T's eyes, I'm effectively cheating them out of either pay-per-use data on one of their own 3G/LTE tablets, or I'm cheating them out of paying for a tiered plan instead, plus a tethering option. So yeah, they don't like that...
If US carriers had no issues with tablet's doubling as phones, then they would have allowed the original tab to keep its phone abilities, and Verizon wouldn't have gimped their version of the 7.7 so as not to be be capable of making normal phone calls.
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Yeah this makes sense I suppose. They want to either screw you on a tethering package or a separate tablet data plan, though if you're me you just don't play by the rules and tether without getting caught (please don't notice AT&T). I guess this also explains why people only have issues with tablets or things that seem like tablets (I recall seeing a lot of APN issues for the int'l Note as well).
Personally, I probably wouldn't pay for a data plan for my tab even if couldn't tether--while the tab is pocketable, it makes an uncomfortable bulge (and I don't really want to get into carrying a murse around), so I stick to my GS2 as an actual phone. Plus, 80% or so of my tab use is at home, and if you add in places where there is wifi anyway that's probably more like 95%.
For those of you who have a phone and separate tab data plan, I'm curious: why are you willing to pay an additional $20-$35 every month for tab data? Need a general-purpose hotspot for, say, a laptop? Can't tether to your phone? Laziness/convenience?

teiglin said:
Yeah this makes sense I suppose. They want to either screw you on a tethering package or a separate tablet data plan, though if you're me you just don't play by the rules and tether without getting caught (please don't notice AT&T).
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Just another reason to buy unlocked. I tether all the time with no issues. Just because they may have removed CarrierIQ, doesn't mean they haven't possibly baked their own monitoring tools into their devices and we just haven't found them yet. (I'm paranoid like that). I mean, I know they could technically do deep packet inspection and figure out that you're tethering anyway, regardless of whether you're using an unlocked device or not, but as a network engineer myself, I know that doing that is VERY resource intensive, and probably not nearly as cost effective for them compared to running a small client-side monitoring tool that alerts them to anomalous user activity.
Not saying they wouldn't possibly perform packet inspection, just saying it's not as likely as monitoring tools of some kind or another.
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Personally, I probably wouldn't pay for a data plan for my tab even if couldn't tether--while the tab is pocketable, it makes an uncomfortable bulge (and I don't really want to get into carrying a murse around), so I stick to my GS2 as an actual phone. Plus, 80% or so of my tab use is at home, and if you add in places where there is wifi anyway that's probably more like 95%.
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Valid points indeed. In fact, before getting my 7.7, I almost decided on sticking with my GS2 and getting a Prime instead. As you said, WiFi is just about everywhere, and for places where WiFi isn't present, I could have just tethered to my GS2.
At this point, it's a matter of personal preference really. For me, I would much rather have only to carry one device on me than two, even if it does kinda force me into using a murse, which I've actually come to like quite a lot! That's why I went with the 7.7 instead; all-in-one device consolidation.

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I mean, I know they could technically do deep packet inspection and figure out that you're tethering anyway, regardless of whether you're using an unlocked device or not, but as a network engineer myself, I know that doing that is VERY resource intensive, and probably not nearly as cost effective for them compared to running a small client-side monitoring tool that alerts them to anomalous user activity.
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Actually, I think the way they're figuring out if users are tethering isn't from any logging utility on the device, but that they are using some kind of pinging utility from their server side. When they get a response with a TTL of a different value than whatever the default is then they can derive that your device is functioning as a router. That's just a guess and I could be totally wrong about the specifics, but I think that they're not really doing deep packet inspection but rather just tracing back requests for internet data and comparing that to the baseline device profiles they have.

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Just another reason to buy unlocked. I tether all the time with no issues. Just because they may have removed CarrierIQ, doesn't mean they haven't possibly baked their own monitoring tools into their devices and we just haven't found them yet. (I'm paranoid like that). I mean, I know they could technically do deep packet inspection and figure out that you're tethering anyway, regardless of whether you're using an unlocked device or not, but as a network engineer myself, I know that doing that is VERY resource intensive, and probably not nearly as cost effective for them compared to running a small client-side monitoring tool that alerts them to anomalous user activity.
Not saying they wouldn't possibly perform packet inspection, just saying it's not as likely as monitoring tools of some kind or another.
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It's certainly possible, though I'm pretty sure I've heard of people getting caught on non-AT&T devices, as well as AT&T devices with non-AT&T-based ROMs, so at least in some cases they are performing deep inspection of packets (unless they just send out the effing letters at random, which is certainly plausible given the false positives some people have reported). And really, it's not like I need more reasons to prefer an unbranded device, since AT&T makes their equivalents worse almost every time. Still, I think there are a hundred other threads on these forums with all the various theories about how, when, and why they detect tethering, and I'm sure we have both read a number of them, so it probably isn't worth rehashing all this here.
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Valid points indeed. In fact, before getting my 7.7, I almost decided on sticking with my GS2 and getting a Prime instead. As you said, WiFi is just about everywhere, and for places where WiFi isn't present, I could have just tethered to my GS2.
At this point, it's a matter of personal preference really. For me, I would much rather have only to carry one device on me than two, even if it does kinda force me into using a murse, which I've actually come to like quite a lot! That's why I went with the 7.7 instead; all-in-one device consolidation.
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I totally agree that it's about personal preference phone use. If you're liking carrying a murse around, more power to ya, but I'm happier being able to keep everything in my pockets.
Plus, when I am carrying the tab around, I like not having to worry about keeping it charged. I don't treat my GS2 batteries very well because I am always leery of having my phone battery die while I'm out somewhere, especially when I know I'll be tethering or playing games. But I'm really not worried about the lifetime of my $12 Anker batteries; if they don't hold a charge well tomorrow, they're super easy to replace. With the tab, I feel more obliged to take care of the non-replaceable battery--always let it almost fully discharge, not leaving it plugged in too long when fully charged, that sort of thing--and I would find that very inconvenient for my primary device.

[Q] WIFI calling with play store version or just Tmobile version???

Hello all. I am really looking forward to the new Nexus 4 as is everyone else :laugh:. The only question I have, and it's a biggie for me, will there be a wifi calling app for the play store version of the phone. I assume that there will be one for the Tmobile store bought version, but where I live I get little to no cell service. I use the wifi calling anytime I am at the house therefore I need it. I would like to buy the phone from the play store because my contract isn't up soon. If not is it possible that an apk could be made to just flash into the phone's software? Maybe I'm just rambling on here, but I am just happy to see a new Nexus phone. :good::good:

jman123123 said:
Hello all. I am really looking forward to the new Nexus 4 as is everyone else :laugh:. The only question I have, and it's a biggie for me, will there be a wifi calling app for the play store version of the phone. I assume that there will be one for the Tmobile store bought version, but where I live I get little to no cell service. I use the wifi calling anytime I am at the house therefore I need it. I would like to buy the phone from the play store because my contract isn't up soon. If not is it possible that an apk could be made to just flash into the phone's software? Maybe I'm just rambling on here, but I am just happy to see a new Nexus phone. :good::good:
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AFAIK wifi calling has not even been confirmed, although it would be strange for a tmo device to lack it. They cannot provide this through the app store due to the complexity and low level nature of it, but it can be flashed if tmo makes it available on their own devices.
I think there are two possibilities:
1 its likely to come on tmo carrier devices sold at subsidy or through tmo, and unlikely to come on play store devices.
2 It is possible that the Nexus 4 will not have wifi calling support at all.
Either way I wouldnt expect wifi calling out of the box with a play store device.
This is not something that can be modded. The galaxy nexus still has no wifi calling support.

bradsh1 said:
AFAIK wifi calling has not even been confirmed, although it would be strange for a tmo device to lack it. They cannot provide this through the app store due to the complexity and low level nature of it, but it can be flashed if tmo makes it available on their own devices.
I think there are two possibilities:
1 its likely to come on tmo carrier devices sold at subsidy or through tmo, and unlikely to come on play store devices.
2 It is possible that the Nexus 4 will not have wifi calling support at all.
Either way I wouldnt expect wifi calling out of the box with a play store device.
This is not something that can be modded. The galaxy nexus still has no wifi calling support.
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True, but if they add it to the models sold via Tmo it might be easy to port into roms for the Play Store variety as well.
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There isn't a T-Mobile version - it's the same phone as the Play Store one apparently

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chat support told me yesterday that the one from the tmobile store would have wifi calling.
%Leonil C: Yes. It doesn't really matter if its sold through Google. Wi-Fi calling is a phone feature and its not really T-mobile network that you will use if you call through Wi-Fi. Don't worry I assure you that.
rob layton: yes, but the phone has to be able to do the wifi calling through the software. I don't want to use a third party app, I want the true tmobile wifi calling that people tell me works very well as the signal is not great in the house.
%Leonil C: I understand. Wow seems that you really know alot about our products. Google Nexus 4 by LG will be sold by T-mobile on November 14. Because of that, we will put our personal touches on the phone just like what we do in our current phone models. Because of that, just like the S III's and Galaxy Note II's, it will have the T-mobile branded Wi-fi calling application.
%Leonil C: You can check out the phones on its release date on November 14. You will see the specs and features online at www.t-mobile.com.
rob layton: oh okay, so it woudl have to be bought straight from tmobile and not from google then?
%Leonil C: Yes that's right.

robl45 said:
chat support told me yesterday that the one from the tmobile store would have wifi calling.
%Leonil C: Yes. It doesn't really matter if its sold through Google. Wi-Fi calling is a phone feature and its not really T-mobile network that you will use if you call through Wi-Fi. Don't worry I assure you that.
rob layton: yes, but the phone has to be able to do the wifi calling through the software. I don't want to use a third party app, I want the true tmobile wifi calling that people tell me works very well as the signal is not great in the house.
%Leonil C: I understand. Wow seems that you really know alot about our products. Google Nexus 4 by LG will be sold by T-mobile on November 14. Because of that, we will put our personal touches on the phone just like what we do in our current phone models. Because of that, just like the S III's and Galaxy Note II's, it will have the T-mobile branded Wi-fi calling application.
%Leonil C: You can check out the phones on its release date on November 14. You will see the specs and features online at www.t-mobile.com.
rob layton: oh okay, so it woudl have to be bought straight from tmobile and not from google then?
%Leonil C: Yes that's right.
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We'll find out in two weeks, but I'd bet a lot of money that that person is wrong.

while not definitive, it looks like the TMO Rep was a little misleading. And here i thought this was going to be my next phone.
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/10/psa-sorry-everyone-no-wi-fi-calling-on-the-nexus-4/

well that probably ends it for me, I was thinking since the phone is so cheap, I could probably just pay a little more for unlimited minutes but then there is still the issue of getting reception in the house.

Thanks for all the replies everyone. I can only hope that it does have it. I realy enjoy being able to rely on my internet rather than mobile service. Where I live I can only get 1 or two bars of service, so you can imagine that without wifi calling I cant even order a pizza. Ironly of it is that I live on a road named Tower Rd. due to the fact there are several cell towers built on the top of a mountain, and yet I still get no service.

Sorry dude but more than likely he's right ... T-Mobile WiFi Calling its not just an app, it needs a combination of Kernel and Radio protocols that WOULD require T-Mobile to have to re-write some of the software in it (witch I think they should since they are probably gonna have higher prices on the device any way ) but it really seems that google made a push for untouched software all across the Nexus 4 line

Why not use a third party app for wifi calling I use it on my GNote10.1 and it works quite well?

I think s.b. on G+ said T-Mobile had contributed stuff for Wi-Fi calling to AOSP; but I never checked the validity of his statement.
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Use Google voice and groove IP. Best WiFi calling.
Hit me up on Gtalk if u need help @musclehead84

Wasnt nexus s sold by tmo? Was there wifi calling for it available pre baked or via app store?
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Spidey01 said:
I think s.b. on G+ said T-Mobile had contributed stuff for Wi-Fi calling to AOSP; but I never checked the validity of his statement.
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Really ??? Where did you see that ? We could definitely use that as a start to build our own !

With a combination of csipsimple app, free sipgate.com account, and google voice, you can do free wifi calling both send and receive from any android, doesn't even need to be activated. I have an old and slow htc hero I keep around as a spare that even works decently for wifi calling. I'm not going to write a guide on how to do this, but plenty of others already have.

No wifi calling. Its official.
http://m.engadget.com/2012/10/31/t-mobile-says-its-nexus-4-wont-provide-wifi-calling/
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_guzzler_ said:
No wifi calling. Its official.
http://m.engadget.com/2012/10/31/t-mobile-says-its-nexus-4-wont-provide-wifi-calling/
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Thanks ! Now I'll make sure to set my https://ifttt.com/ and my http://www.google.com/alerts to notify me the soonest it goes on sale and buy it from the google store

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Sorry dude but more than likely he's right ... T-Mobile WiFi Calling its not just an app, it needs a combination of Kernel and Radio protocols that WOULD require T-Mobile to have to re-write some of the software in it (witch I think they should since they are probably gonna have higher prices on the device any way ) but it really seems that google made a push for untouched software all across the Nexus 4 line
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It is all basically software. Just take a look at the HTC HD2 with Android, a WinMo phone that has Android T-Mobile wifi calling thanks to XDA developers. Perhaps the libs/apks from other phones can just be copied over and it would work.

AT&T Wifi - anyone tried this?

I get AT&T WiFi at work which is really helpful considering the crappy connection I would get otherwise. It didn't occur to me till just now that it will no longer work on the Nexus.
I just grabbed the wispr apk from my Note 4 but I'm not really sure if that will work and still haven't activated my phone
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andy_d0 said:
I get AT&T WiFi at work which is really helpful considering the crappy connection I would get otherwise. It didn't occur to me till just now that it will no longer work on the Nexus.
I just grabbed the wispr apk from my Note 4 but I'm not really sure if that will work and still haven't activated my phone
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I'm on an AT&T corporate plan without tethering and it worked out of the box for me. Looks like there's no tethering block on this one.

Oh I meant the app that is used to connect to att WiFi Hotspots but that's also good to know
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Nm
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I updated the subject - also tried installing the apk that I remember I needed when I had my S3 and used custom ROMs. It refuses to install on the Nexus

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I'm on an AT&T corporate plan without tethering and it worked out of the box for me. Looks like there's no tethering block on this one.
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Might be a corporate only thing. I just tried it and it's disabled
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Well, that failed miserably
Looks like the dedicated router we have at work uses Wispr for authentication. There is no way for me to get this work without rooting my device while at the same time finding an apk that I can install. The latter is probably not possible till AT&T gets the phone, which not sure if it will happen.
Oh well, it'll make it easier to leave AT&T eventually if I get used to not having wifi at work

This is the only thing I could find asking the question. Is there an APK or app in the Play store that will let my Nexus 6P connect to the free basic ATT Wifi hotspots that come with my plan? ATT branded phones can automatically connect to the free hotspots that ATT offers. I don't know how to make that happen on my 6P. Anyone know? Thanks!