Edge=3g H=4G - myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Today I went to the head tmobile store to change out my mytouch sim card because I thought I wasn't receiving 4G signal.. so I decide to ask how do I know if I'm on 4G or 3g and I was told edge is 3g H is 4G?!?!? Is this true?
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BeEazy10 said:
Today I went to the head tmobile store to change out my mytouch sim card because I thought I wasn't receiving 4G signal.. so I decide to ask how do I know if I'm on 4G or 3g and I was told edge is 3g H is 4G?!?!? Is this true?
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As far as i'm concerned, 2G = GPRS
2.5G = EDGE, 3G = HSDPA
not sure about 4g though, we don't have it in the UK.
Probably who told you gave false info.

no, whoever told you that is an idiot
if you look on the top bar, on top of the data logo if it says:
G = Then you are on the GPRS mobile network (slow as fark)
E = Edge network (still slow as fark...but at least you're getting somewhere)
H = 3G/4G... the only way to tell is if you go into settings, about phone, network and look under Mobile Network Type
If it says HSDPA...youre on 3G
HSDPA+ = 4G

cybereclipse said:
no, whoever told you that is an idiot
if you look on the top bar, on top of the data logo if it says:
G = Then you are on the GPRS mobile network (slow as fark)
E = Edge network (still slow as fark...but at least you're getting somewhere)
H = 3G/4G... the only way to tell is if you go into settings, about phone, network and look under Mobile Network Type
If it says HSDPA...youre on 3G
HSDPA+ = 4G
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But in the UK, we can also get 3.5G which equals to 3G+,
So in The US, you don't have 3.5G? You just have 3G or 4G?

Actually, HSDPA+ is 3.5G, not 4G.
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Are we supposed to see HSPA+ for 4g in settings?
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HTC really screwed the pooch by not including a 3G identifier (even though they show it in the user manual available for download). If my phone showed 3G then I'd be content with the speeds I'm getting. When I see H and only get 3G speeds, makes me feel like I'm not getting what I'm paying for!
I have NEVER seen true 4G connectivity on my phone (or my wife's, or even two demo phones-G2 and MT4G-at a t-mobile store). The only networks that connect to in the Houston area are UMTS and HSDPA, which are both 3G. I've never seen HSPA or HSPA+, strange since Houston and the suburb where I live are supposed to be 4g areas.
As it was explained to me by multiple techs from t-mobile: G=GPRS, E=EDGE, UMTS and HSDPA= 3G, HSPA and HSPA+= 4g

I'm also in a "HSPA+" area and don't see HSPA+ speeds.
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Have you looked into the whole 3g indicator thing?
tweak89 said:
HTC really screwed the pooch by not including a 3G identifier (even though they show it in the user manual available for download).
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cybereclipse said:
no, whoever told you that is an idiot
if you look on the top bar, on top of the data logo if it says:
G = Then you are on the GPRS mobile network (slow as fark)
E = Edge network (still slow as fark...but at least you're getting somewhere)
H = 3G/4G... the only way to tell is if you go into settings, about phone, network and look under Mobile Network Type
If it says HSDPA...youre on 3G
HSDPA+ = 4G
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Thanks! i downloaded a widget from the market last night that tell if I'm either on 3g or 4g...etc what i notice when you're browsing the web your phone will switch over from 3g to 4G.
And yeah the ppl at my head t-mobile store don't know anything about phones... its sad

What widget?
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I don't know if this true for the wireless industry in general, or if this is particular to T-Mobile, but I've been given a LOT of misinformation from T-Mobile reps over the years. Usually the info was regarding something technical, like this thread is about, but also about things like plans and phone prices. TMO has great customer service as far as the friendliness and helpfulness of their reps, but a lot of the info they give is often inaccurate.

TeeJay3800 said:
I don't know if this true for the wireless industry in general, or if this is particular to T-Mobile, but I've been given a LOT of misinformation from T-Mobile reps over the years. Usually the info was regarding something technical, like this thread is about, but also about things like plans and phone prices. TMO has great customer service as far as the friendliness and helpfulness of their reps, but a lot of the info they give is often inaccurate.
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YES! there customer service is amazing!! But there info is misleading

el-jodio said:
What widget?
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Mobile Signal Widget

BeEazy10 said:
Mobile Signal Widget
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Thanks.
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My phone never says HSPA+ but I'm getting 6-7mbps.....
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[CLOSED/G2] 3G/HSPA+ Issue

Well, not sure if anyone else has had this issue with their G2 yet, but I got mine today and found that the 3G/HSPA+ (I'm in Austin and we're an HSPA+ location) doesn't work. Edge is working fine, wireless works fine, but I had no hi speed data.
Spent a while on the phone with T-Mobile and they tried everything. Swapped SIM cards for the new one, master reset, checked my coverage area, checked my account, etc. No dice. Phone has been deemed defective. Grrr...my brand new G2 birthday gift. Oh well, replacement is being shipped out.
oh that just sucks... oooooooo i need to get home and open mine also now! and pray for the H lol... hspa+ area also
I live in charleston SC, we do not have HSPA+ just 3G. My phone shows the "H" when on 3G, how are ever going to tell if we are on 3G or HSPA+?
The "H" means you definitely have HSPA. The only way you'll know the difference between HSPA and HSPA+ is probably the speed. Unless there's something in the testing menu that shows you the difference.
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it should actually say "H+" if you in a HSPA+ area
The user manual actually says that it will show the H if you're on the HSPA, HSPA+, or 3G network.. so I don't know how we'll be able to tell unless we speedtest it.
Du22ty said:
The user manual actually says that it will show the H if you're on the HSPA, HSPA+, or 3G network.. so I don't know how we'll be able to tell unless we speedtest it.
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you are correct.
I don't notice any speed increases from the g2 compared to my nexus one regarding the data network
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Ellises said:
I don't notice any speed increases from the g2 compared to my nexus one regarding the data network
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You probably won't until they throw the switches on in all areas of your town. only like 10% of the towers in mine actually use HSPA+... the other 90% at still on HPSA/UTMS. Give it more time...
This is the one single aspect about the G2 that kicks the N1's butt. The 3G connection and radio reliability is awesome! Everything else is a wash for me. I'm actually starting to like the keyboard a little, too.
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I git a h g the e my house sucks I only get e inside ill test it out speed test tomorrow when im not home
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Fascinating... I think they are shipping some of us Desire Zs stamped T-Mobile by accident... 1.5GB NAND, no HSPA+... Seems to fit.
If you have a G2, can you please vote in this thread to indicate the hardware: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=796421
Also, if you feel so inclined to post and say if your HSPA/3G works, that would be appreciated.
robertgibson said:
I live in charleston SC, we do not have HSPA+ just 3G. My phone shows the "H" when on 3G, how are ever going to tell if we are on 3G or HSPA+?
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I'm in Charleston. Pretty sure we have HSPA+
sccpmusc26 said:
I'm in Charleston. Pretty sure we have HSPA+
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Nope.
t-mobile-coverage.t-mobile.com
Click on "Network Speed". They have a map. No where in SC yet or "coming soon"
I'm in Columbia.
pmstc said:
Nope.
t-mobile-coverage.t-mobile.com
Click on "Network Speed". They have a map. No where in SC yet or "coming soon"
I'm in Columbia.
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http://www.dailytech.com/TMobile+Expands+4GLike+HSPA+Network/article18741.htm
I've also called to verify. Columbia doesn't have HSPA+, Charleston does.
pmstc said:
Nope.
t-mobile-coverage.t-mobile.com
Click on "Network Speed". They have a map. No where in SC yet or "coming soon"
I'm in Columbia.
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That site actually says HSPA+ is in Charleston, Anderson, and Greenville. Thanks for backing me up. ;p
sccpmusc26 said:
That site actually says HSPA+ is in Charleston, Anderson, and Greenville. Thanks for backing me up. ;p
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Oh wow, I feel retarded. In my defense, it's not marked on the map! I hope the Greenville/Anderson towers reach Clemson!
Telus 3G icon and H icon
If I can ask for one more clarification.
Up here in the Great White North I am with Telus who has HSPA+ coverage in my area : Montreal (no 2G available at all)
The icon on my Desire shows 3G unless I am accessing data then it flashes the H with the up and down arrows.
I am assume this is correct and the "H" only makes an appearance when it needs to access the data network. The rest of the time it stays as 3G
Important today as they had major connection issues and the H was not appearing even when I was trying to browse or update Facebook.
robertgibson said:
I live in charleston SC, we do not have HSPA+ just 3G. My phone shows the "H" when on 3G, how are ever going to tell if we are on 3G or HSPA+?
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H is hsdpa
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zephirus said:
Fascinating... I think they are shipping some of us Desire Zs stamped T-Mobile by accident... 1.5GB NAND, no HSPA+... Seems to fit.
If you have a G2, can you please vote in this thread to indicate the hardware: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=796421
Also, if you feel so inclined to post and say if your HSPA/3G works, that would be appreciated.
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Yeah. I've seen speedtests on youtube and the G2 has been so disappointing. I was all excited to see 8Mb download speeds then it gets... 600Kb? WTF is that?
Heck, in one video the dude tests the G1 and G2 side by side in Speedtest and the G1 won! This is enraging! HSPA+ is T-Mobiles biggest marketing tool right now yet they made no effort to even see if it worked.

Sooo,I'm kinda confused...

I been seeing lately the the new Mytouch HD has also been dubbed the Mytouch 4G which kinda makes no sense to me. My Mytouch Slide picks up the HSPA± signal alost everywhere I go (except in my house of course :l ) and from what I've read that's the only,techicnally 4G network,that T-mo plans to put out. So the MTHD being called the MT4G seems silly. Unless there's something I don't know,in which one of the great members of XDA could fill me in on =D
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While you can use the HSPA+ network and will see some boost, the Slide isn't made to handle the full bandwidth available to it. If you were to use it and the 4G side be side, I'm sure you'd see a considerable difference.
We can use towers that are rated 4G but will never reach the 21.1 Mbps. I thought hspa+ was their high end 4G, and standard 4G was just hspa. I only say that because UTMS is 3G, not hspa.
Except HSPA and HSPA+ are really expanded 3G services. 4G is LTE and Wimax. It's just that sprint's wimax is so slow.
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Well if you want to be technical, as it stands neither LTE or WiMax are 4G compliant.
Remember, when the iPhone 4g (or was it 3g?) came out, it was ONLY a name, it did not mean it supported 4g (or 3g) speeds...
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Well if you want to be technical, as it stands neither LTE or WiMax are 4G compliant.
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Agreed wholeheartedly! No service provider has 4g and out of them all Tmobile has the fastest data connection. If you are in a hspa + area.
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My phone stay on this speed. After I flashed that new rom with 2.2.1 I've had this "H" for a long time. That's the only network I get unless I'm in my house then I get edge coverage lolz.
send from mytouch 3g bruh

Does G2 display hspa+?

Does anyone know if the G2 displays hspa+ in the phone signal? I only see UMTS or HSDPA and I live in Dallas which supposedly was one of the first cities to get HSPA+.
I've searched around but I have never found any concrete evidence regarding the issue. Fastest speed I've seen is about 6 Mbps, which I think is just standard 3G.
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Nope the H displays for 3g and Hspa+
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=830907
You didn't read close enough. I am aware about the H displaying for both 3G, HSPDA, and HSPA+. I'm talking about what is displayed in the phone status settings.
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StockDroid said:
You didn't read close enough. I am aware about the H displaying for both 3G, HSPDA, and HSPA+. I'm talking about what is displayed in the phone status settings.
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I went to Dallas last weekend, and mine showed HSPDA on status... So, I'm not sure... I was getting pretty rock solid download and upload speeds, roughly around 8 Mbps download...
When it says HSPDA it is on HSPA+, UMTS is 3G. Only reason I know this is because I live in Chicago and we just got it, so ever since, it has said HSPDA. Before, it only ever read UMTS.
naria01 said:
I went to Dallas last weekend, and mine showed HSPDA on status... So, I'm not sure... I was getting pretty rock solid download and upload speeds, roughly around 8 Mbps download...
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Which part of Dallas were you in when you got those speeds?
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papeshfoo said:
When it says HSPDA it is on HSPA+, UMTS is 3G. Only reason I know this is because I live in Chicago and we just got it, so ever since, it has said HSPDA. Before, it only ever read UMTS.
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Surely you mean if it says HSDPA it's either on HSDPA or HSPA+ ?
imblacklife said:
Nope the H displays for 3g and Hspa+
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=830907
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I see a lot of people around here saying this and it's a bit strange to me. I have very clear E/edge, G/3G, and H/HSPA+ indicators on my phone.
Maybe I got a special build. haha
Davidion said:
I see a lot of people around here saying this and it's a bit strange to me. I have very clear E/edge, G/3G, and H/HSPA+ indicators on my phone.
Maybe I got a special build. haha
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umm, the G that displays is actually lower then E.
papeshfoo said:
When it says HSPDA it is on HSPA+, UMTS is 3G. Only reason I know this is because I live in Chicago and we just got it, so ever since, it has said HSPDA. Before, it only ever read UMTS.
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I was rocking a N1 before and it clearly was on HSDPA... This was months before HSPA+ was officially released in Chicago.
papeshfoo said:
umm, the G that displays is actually lower then E.
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Is that so? My mistake then.
My phone almost never stays on G and if nothing else, is only on H and fluctuates to edge in some of the weaker signal areas.
G = gprs
e = edge
h = umts/hsdpa/hspa+, (3g/"4g")
g<e<h
Do you know of a way to force the phone to display 3G when appropriate? I think having the phone display "H" at all times is fairly misleading.
SRed13 said:
Do you know of a way to force the phone to display 3G when appropriate? I think having the phone display "H" at all times is fairly misleading.
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That does seem pretty rubbish, if it shows "H" even on when you're on plain 3G speeds.
Just so everyone knows. This discussion is not about the H in the status bar. We already know it displays H for all high speed connection types.
It is about the network type displayed in the staus and how to determine if you ade on HSPA+.
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SRed13 said:
Do you know of a way to force the phone to display 3G when appropriate? I think having the phone display "H" at all times is fairly misleading.
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The only other option you have is to grab the "Mobile Signal Widget" from the Android Market. That will accurately tell you your signal strength and what connection signal you're surfing. I.E it'll show 3G if you're on 3G and H if you're on HSPA+.
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I do use that and I see 3G and H, but I assumed I would see H+ when it goes to HSPA+.
Sv3nt3k said:
The only other option you have is to grab the "Mobile Signal Widget" from the Android Market. That will accurately tell you your signal strength and what connection signal you're surfing. I.E it'll show 3G if you're on 3G and H if you're on HSPA+.
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Its showing me h all the time. My hspa+ speed sucks then lol I only get like 3mbps.
[G2/HTC Vision]
It will never say hspa+ just hsdpa
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I occasionally get HSPA+ from where I live and even then, my speeds are below 1 Mbps. At least the rest of you are approaching 3 or better, I'd kill for that.
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[Q] 4G symbol instead of H for HSPA+ ?

Ok. I've pulled the images from the EVO dump of the 4G connection notification symbol...but how would I link them in a custom framework-res.apk to appear whenever I am connected to HSPA+? I would like to know when I have "4g Speeds" without going to About Phone, then Network.
This would be nice!
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agreed ...
Has there been any developements on this subject. Would be really nice to know when I am in 3G or a 4G area. It really should have came that way new
I would also love to see this in somebodys rom!
They could replace the 3G with a 4G, but not both because t-mobiles network is the same tech, just upgraded.
There is no way for your phone to distinguish this in the actual rom. Sorry if this dashes hopes.
T-Fanatic said:
They could replace the 3G with a 4G, but not both because t-mobiles network is the same tech, just upgraded.
There is no way for your phone to distinguish this in the actual rom. Sorry if this dashes hopes.
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The phone's "about phone" section under settings can detect the difference between 3G (UMTS-HSPDA) and 4G (HSPA+), so why couldn't the same info be passed on to the ROM's data indicator?
Why would you want "4G" when the phone is not "4G"....
"H" is good enough for me. it is HSPA+
Why would you want "4G" when the phone is not "4G"....
"H" is good enough for me. it is HSPA+
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HSPA+ is 4G now according to the International Telecommunications Union, so it is a 4g phone and capable of 4g speeds
kakabozo said:
HSPA+ is 4G now according to the International Telecommunications Union, so it is a 4g phone and capable of 4g speeds
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If you want to be "honest about it" Speed requirements for 4G are the peak download speeds are 100Mbits/S for mobile means of communications. HSPA+ is only capable of speeds around 56Mbits/S download.
Technically they (the ITU) have stated our current technology is "4G". but it all honesty, it's only like 3.8G.
Normally that would be true but now legally due to the recent FFC ruling HSPA+ is considered 4G as part of another marketing gimmick by wireless provider. As they all wanted to push for it so now HSPA+ 21 now divide that by half is actually capped on the phone now divide that by half again and thats your actual speed lol. This is why TMo got away with claiming to be the largest 4G network in USA lol hence no one revolted not Sprint or Verizon as TMo beat them at their own game. As delivering 4G in 2010 is just another inside joke you won't believe how many morons would pay or upgrade their dataplan thinking 4G is better without actually getting anything IRL. I had an idiot who argue with me he was getting 4G service on a device that was not even 4G capable. I had to explain to him he is benefiting from the network upgrade but its still HSPA.
If you want to be "honest about it" Speed requirements for 4G are the peak download speeds are 100Mbits/S for mobile means of communications. HSPA+ is only capable of speeds around 56Mbits/S download.
Technically they (the ITU) have stated our current technology is "4G". but it all honesty, it's only like 3.8G.
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I agree with you on the fact that HSPA+ isn't true "4g", i just wanted to point out that people calling it 4g are in the clear....technically lol
kakabozo said:
I agree with you on the fact that HSPA+ isn't true "4g", i just wanted to point out that people calling it 4g are in the clear....technically lol
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Yea i agree. I just cannot wait to see what is going to happen with true "4g" starts to roll out.
"Here at ____ have the first 4G system"
"wait i thought you said had 4G back in 2011"
"we did but that wasn't 4G, this IS 4G"
if we cant get the 4g to appear up at the top notification bar why cant we just create an application that polls the about phone for the HSPA+ or UMTS-HSPA and display an icon on the desktop that tells us which one it is? its not the best solution but at least when i'm on the home screen i can tell if i'm on 3G or 4G
THAT would be sooo cook. I hope someone figures out how to do it.
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Cool I meant. Lol.
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On CM7 it reads either 3g or H so you do know, but not on stock.
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Like this
Okay but "H" isn't what T-Mobile calls 4G. "H" just means HSPA, not HSPA+. The Mytouch 3G was capable of "H" speeds.
I have seen screenshots from Inspire 4G where you get an "H+" icon in HSPA+ to differentiate it from just plain HSPA. Maybe someone can figure out how to port that distinction over to your phone?
cmstlist said:
Okay but "H" isn't what T-Mobile calls 4G. "H" just means HSPA, not HSPA+. The Mytouch 3G was capable of "H" speeds.
I have seen screenshots from Inspire 4G where you get an "H+" icon in HSPA+ to differentiate it from just plain HSPA. Maybe someone can figure out how to port that distinction over to your phone?
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H is hspa for tmobile there is no difference between hdsa and hspa for the notification bar the only way to tell is to run speedtest
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Poor and fading signal strength

From day one, I have had isues with signal strength. It will be 6 bars one second and then no bars the next while in the same spot. Is there yet a solution?
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Same here. I get the infinite sms and send failed all the time. Messed up thing is the only rom this doesn't happen to me in is stock. Go figure.
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Mine has always been stock no mods running froyo
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I have the same problem. Mine will go from perfect signal to the damn 1x icon with no bars and be so slow. Even though on in the same spot when I had full signal. It pisses me off.
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Same here
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I have the same problem too.It's even worse when i'm 4G.it sucks
If you install roam control from the market, it will force your phone to roam and in the process turn your phone into a verizon phone since you will be using there towers It solved all my reception issues, just be sure to check allow data roaming and you most likely will not have another problem with reception. Oh also you must be rooted for it to work
Yeah but when using roam control the internet speed isn't 3g
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The 3g icon is displayed on my phone and actively in use since i enabled data roaming, so i dont see your point? Data is fast and reception is good, dont be a debbie downer
jspsuperman said:
The 3g icon is displayed on my phone and actively in use since i enabled data roaming, so i dont see your point? Data is fast and reception is good, dont be a debbie downer
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try testing your speed. just because the 3g icon is displayed doesn't mean you're getting it. and the contract between sprint and verizon stipulates that sprint customers roaming on verizons network are restricted to 1x speeds.
seanwn86 said:
try testing your speed. just because the 3g icon is displayed doesn't mean you're getting it. and the contract between sprint and verizon stipulates that sprint customers roaming on verizons network are restricted to 1x speeds.
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Thank you. That is my point. Your not on 3g
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Im on wifi most of the time anyways, and when Im not (If I remember) I turn on 4g, so thats probably why I never noticed 3g being any different As far as signal strength, roam control does make you have excellent service for making calls, there is no denying that.

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