I'm not sure just how many people have been effected by what I have recently but if you have here is my solution:
Recenty, December 23, 2010 to be exact, Sprint released the 60674 PRL update. Right before that, in November, Sprint added a nice brand new 3g tower outside of my window. The problem is the EVDO signal being emmited from that tower is 0. Users are only getting 1xrt. Since I updated my PRL to the new 60674, my phone was given this brand new broken tower as first choice.
Admittedly, at first, I didn't realize this is what happened but after many long talks with Sprint, reading through plenty of Logcats and looking at a buddy's Evo who lives down the street, I pieced it all together. The Sprint rep noticed that on December 11, 2010, the new tower outside of my Window is dead and so are plenty that cover Mississippi, Biloxi mainly; New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Raceland, Houma, Morgan City, and Lafayette. Any my buddy down the street was using 60671 getting amazing speeds.
So I decided to revert my PRL to the previous version to restore my 3g speeds once again.
The program that will allow you to revert a PRL is posted here thanks to Leviuqse:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=898628
The next thing you will need is the PRL, 60671 or 60672 (I understand that 60672 adds roam support for CellSouth Mississippi so if you live there it might be better for you however I read a few reports of Sprint rolling 60672 back to 60671 so keep that in mind as well) That file is here:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9718693/60671.zip
I really hope this helps anyone who lost their internet like myself that would be waiting on Sprint to fix these EVDO towers before they saw 3g again.
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So they acknowledged they had a bunch of broken towers?
I hope they do a national check and maintenance on any through out the country...
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Ton of dead towers around Baton Rouge with no fix in sight. Sprint tech support has closed all of our tickets without fixing anything. I just roam on Verizon 3g now.
With that said....your PRL is a list of system IDs, not towers. You could take a phone with a PRL from 2 years ago and take a phone with todays PRL and they would use the same exact set of Sprint towers in this area.
digiblur said:
Ton of dead towers around Baton Rouge with no fix in sight. Sprint tech support has closed all of our tickets without fixing anything. I just roam on Verizon 3g now.
With that said....your PRL is a list of system IDs, not towers. You could take a phone with a PRL from 2 years ago and take a phone with todays PRL and they would use the same exact set of Sprint towers in this area.
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Completely wrong.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/22948
Read the quote directly in the middle, then read through the PDF if you wish, I did. If you were correct then reverting my PRL to 72 would have absolutely no consequence and I'd still be running 1xrt right now on Sprint. It sets permissions for what you can access (or can't access) on a network, and it determines what tower it will connect to over another tower.
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So they acknowledged they had a bunch of broken towers?
I hope they do a national check and maintenance on any through out the country...
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They admitted to me that there are plenty of 3g down in the south in the area's I mentioned. I'm willing to bet even more 3g problems around the country are similar to this as well. What's the chance the 3g broke on 6 towers that I know of out the blue. One tower in particular services New Orleans and Baton Rouge, one powers the west coast of Southern Mississippi, 2 or by my house and 1 is near Lafayette, LA. Only 1 Sprint rep shared all of this to me, he was rooted on an Evo and we chatted for a while. He happened to live very near me too. The Service ticket in Baton Rouge WAS closed with no result, but it was re-opened recenty as well as tickets on the towers feeding Houma, Raceland, and Morgan City. Two other Reps refused to confirm this on call backs.
Make sure to call into technical support and create a ticket in your area if you aren't included in this area. Until someone makes a ticket, they are likely to not even notice. Case in point when I first started calling, noone even checked and they just told me that there must be a lot of network traffic causing the slow speeds. Since my nearest tower is only months old, they never even considered to check it until the friendly rep pulled up the EVDO signal status on his end and realized the signal was at complete zero. The original ticket called for all of these 3g spots to be fixed by December 23, needless to say that was never met.
Ok...guess I know nothing about PRLs after writing an app that compares 2 PRLs and spits out a diff log. All of this coming from someone saying that one tower serves 2 cities that have an hour of interstate in between the two....hmmmmmmmm.
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Ok...guess I know nothing about PRLs after writing an app that compares 2 PRLs and spits out a diff log. All of this coming from someone saying that one tower serves 2 cities that have an hour of interstate in between the two....hmmmmmmmm.
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Something to that effect
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Before a flame war insues, I'm just crackin a joke! I'm not doubting your knowlege of a PRL, I'm simply stating that you said the PRL has NO effect on a phone's tower selection and that a 2 year old PRL will use the same towers as a 2 day old PRL. How do you suppose you phone will ever know of a new tower erected? Make sure of what you are saying before you say it. Not for my sake, I could care less, but for the sake of someone who knows nothing about a PRL reading this.
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Completely wrong.
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Yes, you sure are. Digiblur is 100% correct.
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dreamsforgotten said:
How do you suppose you phone will ever know of a new tower erected? Make sure of what you are saying before you say it. Not for my sake, I could care less, but for the sake of someone who knows nothing about a PRL reading this.
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Simple. A brand new tower that gets put up is assigned the same SID as all the other towers in the area. As long as the phone knows to look for a SID, it will "see" every tower, new or old.
Do you honestly believe that the PRL in our phone contains information on every CDMA tower in the country (or world for that matter)?
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Simple. A brand new tower that gets put up is assigned the same SID as all the other towers in the area. As long as the phone knows to look for a SID, it will "see" every tower, new or old.
Do you honestly believe that the PRL in our phone contains information on every CDMA tower in the country (or world for that matter)?
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Actually something close but now you got me wondering again! Before you think I just pulled some bs out my ass saying all of this, let me show you what I was interpreting (I don't claim to know everything about a PRL, but I did believe I had a general understanding and by reverting my PRL and gaining 3g back seemed to add evidence to my understanding. So this is what I'm interpreting.
Section 2.1 of the PRL PDF linked above:
"The PRL contains a list of systems that a device is permitted to access and those that it is explicity forbidden to access. The list of systems is known as the System Table and the list of frequencies is known as the Acquisition Table. The PRL contains information to assist the mobile station in system selection and the acquisition process. It indicates which systems the mobile station should use (preferred systems)"
I was taking that as meaning the PRL was pointing my phone to the local tower, a brand new one just build in my town rather than the older 1 7 miles away. Even when I drove to the town with the older tower, I was still connected to the (now farther) newer tower and had no 3g. Now when I drove out of town to New Iberia, on the way there is an old Sprint tower that had no issues and it was well away from my home tower so I would get my 3g back, but when I returned home I was back on the dead tower.
Keep in mind the thread isn't for the technical aspects of what a PRL is, it is to help anyone who has had horrible service since the December 60674 update. But since we veered off into the PRL domain, I do think it is very important that we clear it up and make sure I'm not spilling any misinformation out there. If I am wrong on my understanding of the PRL, then all apologies, I stand corrected!! But I promise you one thing. If you live in Morgan City and your phone has plummeted since the PRL update, reverting to 60671 or 60672 will fix this. The reason I reached out to anyone in Baton Rouge and New Orleans is because the rep "thinks" the problem with "some at least 1" region in BR has been effected since December 11. If the old towers are no good, then obviously this will not help.
One finaly bit a clarity I was being explained by the rep on the phone how Sprint zones off sections of the state into different zones and while there may towers in each zone. Baton Rouge and New Orleans were included in the same "zone" the Sprint rep was referring to. Houma and Raceland was a different Zone, Lafayette, and Morgan City are two more different zones, and Gulfport and Biloxi even two more zones. Definitely there are many towers to a zone unless the zone is of a small area that was where I was getting a 6 tower count (probably even more of down 3g towers) that's what I was referring to as a tower for BR and N.O. now I should have explained that as zone not tower. I don't think the 1 tower in NO services B.R. but Sprint groups you guys together.
I never planned on getting that deep into this, but like I said before, it's in the best interest to clear up misinformation and perhaps this time, I was the guilty party
Too many times I have heard people say that the PRL is a list of towers...even sprint reps will say that. Its a list of system IDs...SIDS and NID combinations. Most of the time they use 65535 to cover all NIDs in a SID unless they need apply some rules to on particular NID of a SID. Each SID is then given a acquisition record and in our case a pointer to a data record for 3g. The 3g record contains the subnet id used to authenicate to the correct evdo channels listed in its acq record.
Now there could be a rare case that the tower was given a wrong evdo carrier channel and your newer prl is not allowing your phone to scan that channel. I assume you are talking about the 4159 sid. I will post the differences of 4159 in english between the two prls. The only special differences I know of in 4159 is nid 92 which is the Alexandria LA area. Your phone will use Sprint for voice and text but use VZW for EVDO all without showing a roam indicator.
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Now there could be a rare case that the tower was given a wrong evdo carrier channel and your newer prl is not allowing your phone to scan that channel. I assume you are talking about the 4159 sid. I will post the differences of 4159 in english between the two prls. The only special differences I know of in 4159 is nid 92 which is the Alexandria LA area. Your phone will use Sprint for voice and text but use VZW for EVDO all without showing a roam indicator.
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This sounds 100 percent plausable and probably right. Like I said my PRL understanding could be twisted lol but I posted this to help anyone else caught in the rare case I did. No 3g but a chance to fix it. I know there are a lot of place there that Sprint 3g is horrible but I peak out at 2m down sitting in my house or driving around local. Going from 2m down to 22 sometimes 8k down with a 999 ping had me trying everything to get back to normal.
I'm not near the Alexandria Area closer to Houma in Morgan City. The new down tower is located in Idlewild Patterson, LA on the Sprint 3g map in the area code 70392. I'm not sure if you can find anything about it in the new PRL. Hope that little info helps.
Ok..here's your break down of 4159/65535 NID 92 is no relation since that is Alexandria, LA area. Otherwise 4159 is taken as a whole. And by the way your areas are kind of off. New Orleans and Baton Rouge are two totally different systems including different NIDs. New Orleans was an original Sprint corporate area where Baton Rouge was built and operated by Gulf Coast Wireless (they were horrible network builders).
60674:
4159 - 1X scan - ACQ index 1
ACQ 1 record = 50, 75, 100, 175, 200, 250, 25
Data tagged to records with a 21
Data records with a 21
Scan ACQ record 57 with a subnet of 0084:0AC0 (Sprint's subnet)
Scan ACQ record 74 with a subnet of 0086:5900 (Alltel's subnet...gone for several months)
Record 57 = 75, 175, 225, 250, 325, 725, 475
Record 74 (not need anyways since Alltel is gone) = 73, 199, 468, 589
Now let's look at 60671
4159 - 1X scan - ACQ index 1
ACQ 1 record = 50, 75, 100, 175, 200, 250, 25
Data tagged to records with a 21
Data records with a 21
Scan ACQ record 57 with a subnet of 0084:0AC0 (Sprint's subnet)
Scan ACQ record 74 with a subnet of 0086:5900 (Alltel's subnet...gone for several months)
Record 57 = 75, 175, 225, 250, 325, 725, 475
Record 74 (not need anyways since Alltel is gone) = 73, 199, 468, 589
Looks exactly the same right? There were no changes to SID 4159 in the way it scans for 1X and EVDO between 60671 and 60674.
In order for me to figure out what you are seeing I'd have to have some of the numbers off of your ##DEBUG# with the SID/NID combination and the channels EV and 1X are using.
Looking at the data in both PRLs shows that a phone with 60671 and one with 60674 will work exactly the same as each other when connected to SID 4159.
I wish I would have connected with you the whole time this was going on. I'm in no hurry to update the prl to recreate the problem. I just finished setting dk28 back up but I could have provided you with all that. It really has been driving me crazy as to why this was happening but I'm so happy to have my phone back, I'm going to enjoy it for a while. Thanks for taking your time to explain yourself it does break down the prl being that pdf was informative but confusing at the same time lol. Not nearly as confusing as googling prl and trying to figure out what to believe!
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Maybe this should be in the Development forum - it asks for rather technical insight. I am using an HTC EVO 4G (not rooted or anything fancy - just as it came, except one temporary hack discussed later).
I am trying to figure out why the Sprint coverage in my area is just not up to par. I tried a little experiment - very unscientific, but it gave some interesting results.
First I downloaded a program called Antennas from the marketplace. It tracks which cell tower you are on based on the ID info being sent to your phone. Great little app, by the way.
Then, I drove around the area where I am having trouble -- only a couple of miles right in my town. The Antennas program showed my cell signal bouncing from tower to tower constantly. It never stayed on one tower more than a few seconds, and it seemed very unpredictable as to which tower would be next. Sometimes it would show me connected to a tower clear across town when there was a tower much closer, then it would bounce to the close tower for a short time, then off to another tower.
So, after my informal tower survey with Sprint coverage, I changed the PRL on the phone to use Verizon's towers. Then I drove around again, and got VERY different results. The signal stayed steady on one tower until I got closer to another one, then switched cleanly. Only once or twice did it bounce back and forth from tower to tower. For the most part it stayed with the tower that was closest to my location.
I am not sure where this gets me, but I would think Sprint could drastically improve both voice and data coverage if the phone stayed on one tower.
Any thoughts on what this might mean? Or, if the signal strength can be stabilized?
I wish I could help, but at least I can let you know you're not the only one. I only notice this at home.. and I live 3 blocks from a sprint store with a huge antennae on top. I would understand if I had a bad signal, but it even does it when I have 5 bars... and of course, it usually jumps to a tower that gives me 1 or 2 bars... and then 3 or 4 more towers before I get back to the tower that gives me 5 bars. Then it repeats. I haven't seen 6 bars at home, but I wonder if that would cause it to be happy and not jump to a different tower. I'm also curious if the new 2.x radio will change anything. I've been too lazy to update it and see..
How do you change radios? Are these software hacks for the radio ?
What is your db when its bouncing? Ec?
Wow same thing even though I have an antenna really close.
Are you rooted?
Swyped from my Evo 4G
Mine is bouncing between 3 towers within just a cpl of miles from me. Never stays on a single tower. Inside I get a horrid signal around -99 to -105...usually around -100 though. Outside I hit -85 but that's the best it gets until I hit one of the cities I'm between. It's disappointing to see those towers so close and have such a crap signal. I love VZW and their lower frequency but won't be leaving sprint anytime soon.
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-100-115 is very very marginal signal. If you see that very often that could be why you are bouncing. -85 is pretty decent signal so there should be no reason to bounce then.
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How do you change radios? Are these software hacks for the radio ?
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I believe he changed to the Verizon/Alltel prl.
i have a good signal and mine jumps between 3 towers right around the corner from me, i didnt know they were that close.
good app! thx for the heads up
Jeffrey_L said:
Maybe this should be in the Development forum - it asks for rather technical insight. I am using an HTC EVO 4G (not rooted or anything fancy - just as it came, except one temporary hack discussed later).
I am trying to figure out why the Sprint coverage in my area is just not up to par. I tried a little experiment - very unscientific, but it gave some interesting results.
First I downloaded a program called Antennas from the marketplace. It tracks which cell tower you are on based on the ID info being sent to your phone. Great little app, by the way.
Then, I drove around the area where I am having trouble -- only a couple of miles right in my town. The Antennas program showed my cell signal bouncing from tower to tower constantly. It never stayed on one tower more than a few seconds, and it seemed very unpredictable as to which tower would be next. Sometimes it would show me connected to a tower clear across town when there was a tower much closer, then it would bounce to the close tower for a short time, then off to another tower.
So, after my informal tower survey with Sprint coverage, I changed the PRL on the phone to use Verizon's towers. Then I drove around again, and got VERY different results. The signal stayed steady on one tower until I got closer to another one, then switched cleanly. Only once or twice did it bounce back and forth from tower to tower. For the most part it stayed with the tower that was closest to my location.
I am not sure where this gets me, but I would think Sprint could drastically improve both voice and data coverage if the phone stayed on one tower.
Any thoughts on what this might mean? Or, if the signal strength can be stabilized?
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How did you get it to work, my program doesn't work right
Aridon said:
-100-115 is very very marginal signal. If you see that very often that could be why you are bouncing. -85 is pretty decent signal so there should be no reason to bounce then.
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Yeah...even when I'm in the -80 range outside it will bounce back up to -95 or so. 3 towers within just a few miles and its like a pinball machine. Bounces everywhere haha. Shouldn't have a -95 plus signal outside that close to 3 towers (based on the antennas app)
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we need a widget to force lock evo to the best available tower at the moment... i can imagine this would result in saving precious battery since evo won't be constantly looking/jumping towers.
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we need a widget to force lock evo to the best available tower at the moment... i can imagine this would result in saving precious battery since evo won't be constantly looking/jumping towers.
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Is there a way to go in and lock onto a specific BSID or make a preferred selection? I have researched prl files a lot since getting this phone, but haven't seen a way to lock into a specific BSID. I am always locked on the SID of 4812, which is MEMPHIS. We just need to lock our strongest BSID location but I am clueless on how to do this, if we even can.
The software Antenna's i believe is not designed for CDMA so the results you get are sorta not valid
for those who see bouncing, make sure you update your PRL after you get your phone. sometimes, based on where you are when activating, the PRL may not load correctly. hope this helps
Yeah, def update your PRL. I looked on my phone today and it had a prl ending in 63, and when I updated it ended in 67.
I've been on 60667 since it's been out, and just modified it to try something out. The "antennas" app gives a rough idea of CDMA connections, but not as detailed as if you were using GSM. It still accurately verifies my SID, type of data connection, and BSID but that is all. If anyone happens to know if you can lock your BSID or any info on that I'd be interested.
I have 6 towers in a 1.9 mile radius of my home... I don't even want to see how much bouncing occurs... I got an Airave and wifi - done with the signal issues.
One thing to keep in mind is usually the device will be pinging at least 2 different towers just to maintain a connection should you go out side of the range of tower x then tower y will pick up. This prevents lots of call drops in moving situations.
Also if you are in range of a roaming tower I'm not sure how that equates but the device could be looking at that as well if your signal is < -zDB.
Not sure, just some food for thought.
Besides the fact that bouncing seems bad, is there any evidence that it actually does any harm?
Perhaps it only bounces because none of the towers give an acceptable signal?
Just a few notes in response to prior posts:
My signal tends to run between -90 and -100, so it is definitely weak. When I get into a stronger part of town I still get the bouncing effect. This morning it jumped from a tower giving -68 to -80 then back to -68, and another time -75 to -90, etc.
I realize the Antennas program might be off with CDMA tower locations, but it does accurately show ID #'s so I can see it switching back and forth.
Elsewhere in the forums are threads talking about Time Without Service (TWS) being a big battery drain. This is a problem for me, and I wonder if this is connected to the bouncing towers. Overnight I can get anywhere from 50% to 95% TWS on the battery use. And that is after trying to implement the CDMA Auto (PRL) fix found in another thread.
Believe me, if it wasn't for the good deal I get on Sprint's monthly service I would be gone in a heartbeat! I guess it's the ol' you get what you pay for. I loved the HTC Incredible on Verizon, but I just couldn't swallow the monthly charge.
So who all has driven by Coors Field and tested 4G? It was super slow traffic tonight due to construction so I gave it a whirl. Got one bar of 4G and achieved a 2.7Mbps download and .5 upload.
I have not found 4G anywhere else sadly but its good to know that even at such a crappy signal strength, the speed its twice as fast as Qwest's base DSL package.
Nice! I am vacation right now but will check this out when I get home. Woo hoo 4G in Denver!
I've heard rumors that the Sprint building (call center) on Inverness has 4G too but I haven't driven out to confirm or deny that yet...
Here's that address
333 Inverness Drive South
Englewood, CO 80112-5882
If I wasn't so damn tired I'd take a trip out there tonight but maybe someone can confirm or deny this for me.
EDIT: Interesting... download the map viewer app from the Market... It looks like people have confirmed 4G in broomfield near interlocken and also near invesco running all the way from the 5 points corridor of 25 down to santa fe, with a huge bubble over invesco itself. Nothing about Inverness but one I think most people turn their 4G off since it kills battery when its scanning and two, I don't think many would be driving next to the Sprint call center. This app actually tracks your coverage and anonymously uploads your statistics periodically. Pretty neat.
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I've heard rumors that the Sprint building (call center) on Inverness has 4G too but I haven't driven out to confirm or deny that yet...
Here's that address
333 Inverness Drive South
Englewood, CO 80112-5882
If I wasn't so damn tired I'd take a trip out there tonight but maybe someone can confirm or deny this for me.
EDIT: Interesting... download the map viewer app from the Market... It looks like people have confirmed 4G in broomfield near interlocken and also near invesco running all the way from the 5 points corridor of 25 down to santa fe, with a huge bubble over invesco itself. Nothing about Inverness but one I think most people turn their 4G off since it kills battery when its scanning and two, I don't think many would be driving next to the Sprint call center. This app actually tracks your coverage and anonymously uploads your statistics periodically. Pretty neat.
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Fantastic, I didn't know this app existed, nice!! I actually work right off of lincoln and i-25, minutes from inverness. While I don't specifically get 4G here in the office, I can drive by there over my lunch break and see if I can't get a signal. Thanks for the tip!
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I've heard rumors that the Sprint building (call center) on Inverness has 4G too but I haven't driven out to confirm or deny that yet...
Here's that address
333 Inverness Drive South
Englewood, CO 80112-5882
If I wasn't so damn tired I'd take a trip out there tonight but maybe someone can confirm or deny this for me.
EDIT: Interesting... download the map viewer app from the Market... It looks like people have confirmed 4G in broomfield near interlocken and also near invesco running all the way from the 5 points corridor of 25 down to santa fe, with a huge bubble over invesco itself. Nothing about Inverness but one I think most people turn their 4G off since it kills battery when its scanning and two, I don't think many would be driving next to the Sprint call center. This app actually tracks your coverage and anonymously uploads your statistics periodically. Pretty neat.
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I live in Broomfield and take the Interlocken Loop home from work. I'll be testing this theory after work fa sho
I live in Westminster and can pick up a weak 4G signal at my house, right around 36 and Sheridan.
EtherealRemnant said:
I've heard rumors that the Sprint building (call center) on Inverness has 4G too but I haven't driven out to confirm or deny that yet...
Here's that address
333 Inverness Drive South
Englewood, CO 80112-5882
If I wasn't so damn tired I'd take a trip out there tonight but maybe someone can confirm or deny this for me.
EDIT: Interesting... download the map viewer app from the Market... It looks like people have confirmed 4G in broomfield near interlocken and also near invesco running all the way from the 5 points corridor of 25 down to santa fe, with a huge bubble over invesco itself. Nothing about Inverness but one I think most people turn their 4G off since it kills battery when its scanning and two, I don't think many would be driving next to the Sprint call center. This app actually tracks your coverage and anonymously uploads your statistics periodically. Pretty neat.
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ok, so I drove by the call center on Inverness drive over my lunch break, and I didn't get jack squat. I'm not entirely sure, however, that my 4G is even connecting at all. Here's why - I normally get it in KC at my house, and didn't when I was there last week. When I was driving back to denver, I had 4G on as I drove on i-25 past coors field, and also didn't connect at all. So, I'm not sure it's not my Evo.
I did update to the latest radio and wimax radio in the hopes that it would help, but no luck yet. I'm thinking about driving up to the 4G area on the map application this evening to do some more troubleshooting. It'd be great if someone else could drop by the Sprint Call center to verify.
I had 2 bars of 4G in the parking lot of Elitches recently. I don't know if there's signal inside the park because I wasn't about to bring my phone into that electronics death trap.
EtherealRemnant said:
I've heard rumors that the Sprint building (call center) on Inverness has 4G too but I haven't driven out to confirm or deny that yet...
Here's that address
333 Inverness Drive South
Englewood, CO 80112-5882
If I wasn't so damn tired I'd take a trip out there tonight but maybe someone can confirm or deny this for me.
EDIT: Interesting... download the map viewer app from the Market... It looks like people have confirmed 4G in broomfield near interlocken and also near invesco running all the way from the 5 points corridor of 25 down to santa fe, with a huge bubble over invesco itself. Nothing about Inverness but one I think most people turn their 4G off since it kills battery when its scanning and two, I don't think many would be driving next to the Sprint call center. This app actually tracks your coverage and anonymously uploads your statistics periodically. Pretty neat.
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I also went to the Sprint call center on Inverness a couple of weeks ago and I couldn't pick up any 4G either. I sat in the parking lot a good 15 minutes fiddling with my phone to try and pick something up.
Hey guys, I can confirm FULL Bars 4G coverage at Sloan Lake.. I was there Saturday for the dragon boat races. I can also confirm 4G on 6th going west right at 25 and held it all the way to Wordsworth once... maybe 1 to 2 bars strength, usually low.
My typical speeds on speed test app are around 3-3.7mb down and 1mb up.
go hit sloans lake for sure though if you are ever in the area.. I had full signal.
Hey guys, I can confirm FULL Bars 4G coverage at Sloan Lake.. I was there Saturday for the dragon boat races. I can also confirm 4G on 6th going west right at 25 and held it all the way to Wordsworth once... maybe 1 to 2 bars strength, usually low.
My typical speeds on speed test app are around 3-3.7mb down and 1mb up. Not as fast as other cities I've heard, but since we aren't official yet I won't jump to any conclusions. Can anyone offer opinions on whether the speeds I get now when in 4G are what we should expect to see when we go live? Any reasons to think otherwise?
go hit sloans lake for sure though if you are ever in the area.. I had full signal.
jrun said:
Hey guys, I can confirm FULL Bars 4G coverage at Sloan Lake.. I was there Saturday for the dragon boat races. I can also confirm 4G on 6th going west right at 25 and held it all the way to Wordsworth once... maybe 1 to 2 bars strength, usually low.
My typical speeds on speed test app are around 3-3.7mb down and 1mb up. Not as fast as other cities I've heard, but since we aren't official yet I won't jump to any conclusions. Can anyone offer opinions on whether the speeds I get now when in 4G are what we should expect to see when we go live? Any reasons to think otherwise?
go hit sloans lake for sure though if you are ever in the area.. I had full signal.
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I'll have to try Sloans Lake, but I went up by coors, elitch and invesco and wasn't able to get any sort of signal at all. I was in the big green blob area within the Map app from the market, so I think there's something wrong with my installation of Fresh 1.01. I was running the beta and didn't flash from the previous betas as he said it wasn't necessary.
I have had it before in KC, but not since I came to this version of Fresh rom. Will try to flash and go check again later this week. Bummer.
Sloan's Lake? REALLY? I'm going to meet with my bankruptcy attorney on Monday... she's on 17th and Sheridan... might as well drive the little bit to Sloan's Lake and check it out.
Sooooooooooooooooooooo.... no screeenshots buried was at edgewater condos from 17th by alameda. I got 4g indoors at 4-7 megs per second........ indoors. I maintained that signal from one bar to none to 2 until I passed Broadway when it faded... but the speeds were incredible. However. Battery... pulled it off at 130 dead at 930 with minimal usage. WiFi would have doubled it. This was with the latest radio and wimax....
Okay so more 4G testing today. Seems to run from about Broadway all the way west to Kendall on Colfax and it runs down Sheridan to 6th Ave and then dies around Federal then picks up at 6th and 25 on a new tower... very fast speeds and very consistent and reliable connection. Even while driving around, I got 8megs.
Has anyone else done any testing?
Nothing in Boulder yet. I work right on Pearl, but I drive by interlocken everyday, I'll have to see how it is in traffic.
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Okay so more 4G testing today. Seems to run from about Broadway all the way west to Kendall on Colfax and it runs down Sheridan to 6th Ave and then dies around Federal then picks up at 6th and 25 on a new tower... very fast speeds and very consistent and reliable connection. Even while driving around, I got 8megs.
Has anyone else done any testing?
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I still haven't been able to connect to 4G at all since I've been in Denver. I'm not convinced that I haven't fried it somehow. I have updated the wimax radio and updated PRL and profile, and I have also verified that my MAC address is fine, which others had issues with.
At this point, I'm ready to test it, and might drive up that way tonight to check it. the couple times I tested (prior to updating PRL and profile, hoping this might be the culprit) I was driving on I-25 by Invesco and Coors. Should I be able to get 4G while in the car and driving? Otherwise, where is a good place to test 4G that will be on and up at all times? I need a control for my test, ha
Thanks!
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I still haven't been able to connect to 4G at all since I've been in Denver. I'm not convinced that I haven't fried it somehow. I have updated the wimax radio and updated PRL and profile, and I have also verified that my MAC address is fine, which others had issues with.
At this point, I'm ready to test it, and might drive up that way tonight to check it. the couple times I tested (prior to updating PRL and profile, hoping this might be the culprit) I was driving on I-25 by Invesco and Coors. Should I be able to get 4G while in the car and driving? Otherwise, where is a good place to test 4G that will be on and up at all times? I need a control for my test, ha
Thanks!
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I doubt you'd get it just driving by on I-25 (I didn't). I did turn it on to check while AT Coors Field, and a got signal. VERY weak signal (and not consistent), but it was still twice as fast as my fastest 3G Speed Test.
Roll out the 4G! I got my extra batteries.
i got an 8.69 mbps download speed at the Rumbi's in the DTC area. I had full bars
Turned on 4G at work and I got signal. Hampden and Tamarac.
Speed is 3G vs 4G while at my desk at work.
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Read here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/15/wimax-2-standard-and-its-theoretical-1gbps-downloads-to-be-fin/
Notice the second to last line. So it seems like for those of you that are deciding to keep off the Evo 3D bandwagon for this year (and maybe wait for some quad core action next year ) and are still clinging to your Evo's next year, you might see some 100megs down, that is, if Sprint decides to show your town a little love.
Omg if this is real...i just got a boner
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If I were Sprint I would be investing in this ASAP [as long as the lower bands are allowed to be used]
Yeah that's going to be sweet. Sprint is going to have a huge head start and if they plan right and upgrade towers quickly they may be able to get alot of customers back from Verizon. Wimax 2 WILL also be compatible with the Evo 3D because it will use the exact same Wimax chip (although from the article ANY original wimax chip will work). Hopefully Sprint will jump on this and start to truly shine as a stupid-fast, reliable, UNLIMITED network.
What all of you are missing is the bandwidth isn't true and can't reach those speeds IN ANY FORM or way. The max that can goto almost any tower are 100Mb connections. You would have to have 4-7 fibers going to EACH TOWER in order to reach those speeds.
Also what you're also forgetting is that they are "leasing" the bandwidth from the cable/phone providers. Certain states like FL, texas, and others with data centers will be the only ones reaching these speeds. However, it is very sad that we can get faster speeds with our mobile than we can with our hardwire connections directly to our house. lol
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What all of you are missing is the bandwidth isn't true and can't reach those speeds IN ANY FORM or way. The max that can goto almost any tower are 100Mb connections. You would have to have 4-7 fibers going to EACH TOWER in order to reach those speeds.
Also what you're also forgetting is that they are "leasing" the bandwidth from the cable/phone providers. Certain states like FL, texas, and others with data centers will be the only ones reaching these speeds. However, it is very sad that we can get faster speeds with our mobile than we can with our hardwire connections directly to our house. lol
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Oh no, ONLY 100mbit / second?
Why would they even bother?
I wouldn't expect to see this until like 2012(late) at least.
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I know I didn't word it right. but remember. it is a shared connection. with lots of people abusing the speeds. no caps on sprints networks for at least now. lol. BUT I do predict that they will attempt to prevent us from mod'ing our phones. hahahahahaha. *rolls over laughing*
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I know I didn't word it right. but remember. it is a shared connection. with lots of people abusing the speeds. no caps on sprints networks for at least now. lol. BUT I do predict that they will attempt to prevent us from mod'ing our phones. hahahahahaha. *rolls over laughing*
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Uh, what in the fun are you talking about?
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Check the post date of that article.
August 15th 2010
WiMax 2 has been in the works for a while. Just like LTE has an upgrade future. Both are moving forward to true 4G speeds.
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Check the post date of that article.
August 15th 2010
WiMax 2 has been in the works for a while. Just like LTE has an upgrade future. Both are moving forward to true 4G speeds.
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I read it, but I'm saying for it to become available(for most of the country) I said probably end of 2012. Sprints only going to kick this off in certain areas like with regular wimax(which still isn't available in all major cities yet).
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If Sprint continues to roll with WIMAX, they'd become the black sheep and alienate themselves.
Sprint should make the hop to LTE; The customers would benefit from it more-so by being able to roam on Verizons LTE network.
They are taking forever in Jersey, killin me
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SSjon said:
Check the post date of that article.
August 15th 2010
WiMax 2 has been in the works for a while. Just like LTE has an upgrade future. Both are moving forward to true 4G speeds.
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Ya this is an older article, but I posted it because it gives facts about they new network. The technology was finally approved today. The article about it is on the main page of engadget.
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If Sprint continues to roll with WIMAX, they'd become the black sheep and alienate themselves.
Sprint should make the hop to LTE; The customers would benefit from it more-so by being able to roam on Verizons LTE network.
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In sn interview Dan Hesse said a third of Sprints operating cost was going to back haul fees for using Verizon and at&ts networks. The last thing they probably want is to start roaming on versions network at 10Mbs.
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If Sprint continues to roll with WIMAX, they'd become the black sheep and alienate themselves.
Sprint should make the hop to LTE; The customers would benefit from it more-so by being able to roam on Verizons LTE network.
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Yet again after all the lengthy discussion this topic has had we still get ignotant comments like the one above. Sprint simply switching to LTE will NOT solve the coverage and building pen. problems currently seen with WiMax. Again its based on the Freq band. If they put WiMax on Nextel old freq when its finally put to rest then we'd be getting the same coverage VZ's LTE network would be getting as the building pen on the lower band is much greater.
WiMax isn't going anywhere so just get used to it. I dont expect Sprints 4G to increase and get better till they have taken all the Nextel service off that Freq and can then make their use of that freq with what they want. Likely with Clearwire doing LTE on that and using WiMax and LTE both which will be easy to employ with their network upgrade they are cuttently doing.
The reason I say LTE on the old Freq is because currently WiMax isn't provisioned to work on that freq and is only provisioned for 2.3 GHz, 2.5 GHz and 3.5 GHz currently. But I would think that once that 800MHz freq opens up with Nextel being off it, that sprint/clearwire could get it provisioned for that Freq.
ready by the end of 2012?? the world won't even be here!
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This is my final post for this section, as I'm typing the same **** over and over again, only for it to be ignored. Months passed, as it's a new thread with the same **** I've wrote months ago. Sprint's frequency is the sole reason as to why the building penetration isn't up to stuff, not the technology. LTE IS NOT THE REASON VERIZON'S 4G HAS BETTER BUILDING PENETRATION, IT'S THE FREQUENCY. Multi-mode towers will solve that problem.
Sprint's frequency is not the reason the speeds are ****. The speeds are **** because their 4G strategy is at a standstill. Not only is every current 4G tower in every city suppose to be upgraded, they were to blanket those cities with more towers. If Orlando have 13 towers spread throughout the city, Clearwire was to upgrade those towers, while increasing the total to 20. Clear didn't drop the ball, they punted it out the stadium. Best solution for both parties is for Clear to officially switch to Sprint's Network Vision, and also support Sprint's drive for LTE. Both already have LTE soft markets, but it needs to be made official for the public to know. Another solution is to switch their current WiMax solution to 802.16e Enhanced, while increasing the bandwidth to 20MHz.
Anyway, that's it from me. Go back to arguing with trolls who mentions Sprint more than Hesse himself, but obviously hate the company. It's entertaining.
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This is my final post for this section, as I'm typing the same **** over and over again, only for it to be ignored. Months passed, as it's a new thread with the same **** I've wrote months ago. Sprint's frequency is the sole reason as to why the building penetration isn't up to stuff, not the technology. LTE IS NOT THE REASON VERIZON'S 4G HAS BETTER BUILDING PENETRATION, IT'S THE FREQUENCY. Multi-mode towers will solve that problem.
Sprint's frequency is not the reason the speeds are ****. The speeds are **** because their 4G strategy is at a standstill. Not only is every current 4G tower in every city suppose to be upgraded, they were to blanket those cities with more towers. If Orlando have 13 towers spread throughout the city, Clearwire was to upgrade those towers, while increasing the total to 20. Clear didn't drop the ball, they punted it out the stadium. Best solution for both parties is for Clear to officially switch to Sprint's Network Vision, and also support Sprint's drive for LTE. Both already have LTE soft markets, but it needs to made official for the public to know. Another solution is to switch their current WiMax solution to 802.16e Enhanced, while increasing the bandwidth to 20MHz.
Anyway, that's it from me. Go back to arguing with trolls who mentions Sprint more than Hesse himself, but obviously hate the company. It's entertaining.
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God damn, I get tired of reading posts by people who obviously gained all of their knowledge by skimming articles and parroting what others have said, as opposed to doing any real research or reading.
what is this about i just updated my prl and thats the version, ive been running cm7 for a long time and this is the first time ive done prl update in awhile
I have had that prl for months.
It's just the newest prl, they switched up the numbering this time. There is a whole multi-page thread about this already.
Over on Sprintlovers community forums, there are two important threads. One is from a guy who keeps tabs on the data coverage maps, even keeps previous copies to reference back to. Well buckos, sadly the latest map shows a whole lotta grey areas = no coverage! It appears Sprint may have lost their agreement in sharing towers with Big RED (VZW)? And others get the same exact answer from Sprint that I got, when I called to ask why I have been continuously dropping down to 1x for the past 2 months now - "sorry, but there is a tower down in your area, and sorry, but we don't have any eta on when it will be repaired".
Then the other post deals with why many people have received that strange new prl 01115, while others got 60678 - Sprint was said to be giving their corporate clients a prl that gave them access to all towers possible, and the other prl had less towers in its database! Don't remember which one was which, but I had the 60678, now 60679, am not a corporate client, and still keep dropping down to 1x.
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Over on Sprintlovers community forums, there are two important threads. One is from a guy who keeps tabs on the data coverage maps, even keeps previous copies to reference back to. Well buckos, sadly the latest map shows a whole lotta grey areas = no coverage! It appears Sprint may have lost their agreement in sharing towers with Big RED (VZW)? And others get the same exact answer from Sprint that I got, when I called to ask why I have been continuously dropping down to 1x for the past 2 months now - "sorry, but there is a tower down in your area, and sorry, but we don't have any eta on when it will be repaired".
Then the other post deals with why many people have received that strange new prl 01115, while others got 60678 - Sprint was said to be giving their corporate clients a prl that gave them access to all towers possible, and the other prl had less towers in its database! Don't remember which one was which, but I had the 60678, now 60679, am not a corporate client, and still keep dropping down to 1x.
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My parents, nor I, are a corporate client. Both my mom and I have evos [only mine is rooted[ but we both have the 01115 PRL, and had it since the whole discrepancy started.
All 4 of my phones have the 011115 prl.
I have been getting a lot of dropped calls in the last couple weeks or so, prl 01115. Could be from flashing different PRI for roms, but I went back to where I was before and I'm getting dropped calls.
I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THAT MAY HAPPEN TO YOUR PHONE!!!!
all this started from this tread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696073
I have prl's from different carriers. im going to keep the newest and old one's some times older prl's work better in some places.
thanks to Bierce22 for his hard work with this.
TO change prl you need a sense rom 2.1
Here is a Alltel rom that I have run thought the kitchen it works for the ##775#.
http://dev-host.org/s61ju0a2ae0w/Alltel-rooted-redone.zip
or you can use kyouko How to change your PRL while using CM7
here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1162091
Copy the PRL file to the root of your microSD card
Dial ##775# on the handset and enter the MSL code when prompted for password
Tap on Update PRL
If it read your microSD card correctly your PRL file should be listed in the bottom half of the screen to select
Select your PRL and click OK
Press the MENU button and tap on Commit Modifications (which will reboot the phone)
for prl's follow the link below
http://dev-host.org/users/oostah
I will be adding more.
a good link for sprint prl's
https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=eabe29f3770d8d15&id=EABE29F3770D8D15!678
old prl's all carriers.
http://www.corolada.com/prl
old alltel
http://www.the-answerman.com/sidlist/prl/index.asp
this is what prl means
http://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=11
be care full of roaming on sprint
Voice/Data Usage Limitation: Sprint reserves the right, without notice, to limit throughput speeds, and to deny, terminate, modify, disconnect or suspend service if off-network usage in a month exceeds: (1) voice: 800 min. or a majority of minutes; or (2) data: 300 megabytes or a majority of kilobytes. Prohibited network use rules apply. See in-store materials or sprint.com/termsandconditions for specific prohibited uses
Please post your results with the prl name and where you live. prls will vary from place to place.
I can customize a prl for your area if need. PM with your info like the state your in.
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Please post your results with the prl name and where you live. prls will vary from place to place.
I can customize a prl for your area if need. PM with your info like the state your in.
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What program do you use to edit the prl?? I'd really like to know
also sent a PM
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Thanks, but...Get out of here!
I still have to beat those latest network speeds of yours.
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Glad to see all the prl's in one place. I gave been trying different prl's you and bierce have posted over the last few months. I'm currently on 01337. This prl gives me the best all around signal Dayton, Ohio. But the funny thing is where I use to get zero reception I get great reception but now all the spots I got the best reception I only get mediocre reception. So it's kind of a trade off. But i wish I could get great reception in most places and mediocre where I use to get no reception.
I'll send you a pm and see if you can cook me up something.
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muahahahahahahaha sorry kyouko i couldnt resist lol.
@rb3 you have a better signal because that prl uses verizon towers by default so if sprint is poor in your area then verizon prls will work mutch better.
I understand what you're saying. But I'm getting spotty reception in areas like highways and near towers where I know friends with verizon also gets great signal which is why I'm puzzled. But the pub I always goto ill get my best speeds and I know sprint gets no reception but verizon does so it's the price I'm willing to pay to get data while drinking lol.
that prl is also ancient witch could explain it verizon could have built new towers since then try the 52299 one i fly of that one its a hit and miss with them though so youll just have to go through them until you find one that works the best.
ive spent the last 4months testing random prls and radio combinations its become a bit of an obsession lol
Yea i have tried running that one with both verizon and sprint radios and while better than sprint's prl it still gives me spotty reception in areas I know it shouldn't.
Yea ever since I ran across your prl threads a few months ago I have probably changed prl's 30 times lol. Definitely a fun obsession to have.
One problem i've ran into a few times is after I flash a new prl and reset my data profile data will never engage and the hands free activation step never works because there is no data to update the profile. This led to me having to run a ruu one time because I couldn't get data to turn on no matter what I tried. Just wandering if you ever experienced this in your adventures?
yea i stay away from doin data resotores unless im on a sprint prl because verizon prls it dosnt want to update my data profile sometimes. but most of the time if i power of my phone and take the battery out a couple times itll work.
if there any new people looking at this feel free to ask questions switching between different carrier prls can somtimes quadruple your data speeds its all just trial and error.
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Glad to see all the prl's in one place. I gave been trying different prl's you and bierce have posted over the last few months. I'm currently on 01337. This prl gives me the best all around signal Dayton, Ohio. But the funny thing is where I use to get zero reception I get great reception but now all the spots I got the best reception I only get mediocre reception. So it's kind of a trade off. But i wish I could get great reception in most places and mediocre where I use to get no reception.
I'll send you a pm and see if you can cook me up something.
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i made a 01337-mod prl give it a go. let me know how it dose.its in the modified folder.
from your post try the alltel 31010.prl sense verizon bought alltel they have some good prl's to cover both net works.
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i made a 01337-mod prl give it a go. let me know how it dose.its in the modified folder.
from your post try the alltel 31010.prl sense verizon bought alltel they have some good prl's to cover both net works.
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Thank you so much. I'll try it out as soon as I get home and report back.
this is results for the 01337 mod in north Georgia
thats on automatic roaming mode
this is on sprint mode both on the original stock sprint radio
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this is results for the 01337 mod in north Georgia
thats on automatic roaming mode
this is on sprint mode both on the original stock sprint radio
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cool glade its working
this is the 01337 mod results as of 8:40 this morning
Loaded it up last night right before I fell asleep. I ran a few speed tests at my house and they were a little bit better than the original prl. I will continue to test at work today where I have had issues as well and report back. Thanks again for modding it for me.
@Bierce where do you pull those speedtest screen shots? I use the app from the market. Or are you getting those from tethering?
i use tether and do it from my computers browser thats why my locations are so random
and thats why i do this lol. i would be lucky to get 400kbp/s 4months ago
I have flashed a few PRLs (as beirce has been posting them) and none of the seem to make much of a difference. For the most part I am getting 200-400 Kbits/s.
Maybe no hope in San Antonio.