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is there any way to install android without magldr? when phone turned off i can't charge phone. if i plug charger i have to remove battery or phone won't boot. alarm clock doesnt work if phone not working. i just want to see android when i press power button, i dont want to see any subsystem like magldr.
is it possible or will it be possible?
thanks.
No. Magloader is required to boot Android.
johncmolyneux said:
No. Magloader is required to boot Android.
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not entirely truth. cedesmith have started work on his loader that can become alternative for MAGLDR in future. eaven now it can be used to boot android on leo
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=901305
dusko_m said:
not entirely truth. cedesmith have started work on his loader that can become alternative for MAGLDR in future. eaven now it can be used to boot android on leo
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=901305
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Okay - I was a little short in my answer.
Android will always need a bootloader, which is what Magldr is. That will never change.
The OP asked for a way of running Android without seeing "any subsystem like magldr". That is currently not possible.
Furthermore,
The bootloader should in no way effect anything once the system is up and certainly not affect whether the phone charges when plugged in when the phone is OFF.
famewolf said:
Furthermore,
The bootloader should in no way effect anything once the system is up and certainly not affect whether the phone charges when plugged in when the phone is OFF.
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I havent ever had this issue until I put Magldr on my 2 hd2's, but I have the same issue. I fixed it by just charging while they are on.
johncmolyneux said:
Okay - I was a little short in my answer.
Android will always need a bootloader, which is what Magldr is. That will never change.
The OP asked for a way of running Android without seeing "any subsystem like magldr". That is currently not possible.
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thanks for answers.
what i dont understand is "why android always need a bootloader?" can HD2 work like DESIRE? both of them nearly have same hardware. (processor RAM etc.) i like android (love) but because of few things i dont install it.
vkfkbr said:
thanks for answers.
what i dont understand is "why android always need a bootloader?" can HD2 work like DESIRE? both of them nearly have same hardware. (processor RAM etc.) i like android (love) but because of few things i dont install it.
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wrong presumption. desire also have bootloader but in desire it is (let put it in this way) integrated with SPL. HD2 SPL is designed to load WM and can't automaticaly load android. thats is why we have intermediate step in-between SPL and system load
SPL is HTC closed source, can't be modified in a way to allow android boot so MAGLDR or CLK are made to mimic WM to be called from SPL to load and to allow android to be loaded at the end (so called chain load)
anyway, it doesn't make that much difference. current way of booting android seems quite sufficient
I would like to switch from MAGDLR to CLK for the sole purpose of charging my phone when it is off. Since I read that CLK is able to do this.
I would like to know how I would go about this since I thought about going with HD2 Tookit to ease the process a bit for me.
Located here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1090783
Right now my phone has MAGDLR 1.13 on it with Coutella's release of Android. No CWM. I had it for quite some time and I have not really had too many issues with it though I would like to update to CyanogenMod 7 Gingerbread Rom. I'm leaning towards this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=933951
So what I'd like someone to help me out with is how I get this done. All this talk of repartitioning and recovering has confused me a bit but I think I have to:
1. Task 29 my phone
2. Repartition my phone to a 140mb or 150mb partition for the rom.
3. Then install CLK
4. Then flash the rom
Would that be the correct method of going about this and ending up with a working phone?
Poopmonkey said:
I would like to switch from MAGDLR to CLK for the sole purpose of charging my phone when it is off. Since I read that CLK is able to do this.
I would like to know how I would go about this since I thought about going with HD2 Tookit to ease the process a bit for me.
Located here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1090783
Right now my phone has MAGDLR 1.13 on it with Coutella's release of Android. No CWM. I had it for quite some time and I have not really had too many issues with it though I would like to update to CyanogenMod 7 Gingerbread Rom. I'm leaning towards this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=933951
So what I'd like someone to help me out with is how I get this done. All this talk of repartitioning and recovering has confused me a bit but I think I have to:
1. Task 29 my phone
2. Repartition my phone to a 140mb or 150mb partition for the rom.
3. Then install CLK
4. Then flash the rom
Would that be the correct method of going about this and ending up with a working phone?
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1. task29 (if you want to start with complete clean nand...)
2. the partitions are created by flashing clK (you have to choose the clk nbh file with enough space for your rom (in your case 140/5mb or 150/5 ))
3. install cwm recovery for clk
4. flash your rom with cwm
Thank you for the quick reply! Now, I never really used CWM so I am wondering would the toolkit help me install it or where would be a tutorial to install the mod into my phone?
don't know the toolkit.
really isn't hard though.
see mskips tuts (actually, for everything):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1044830
good luck!
Thank you for the advice and the tutorial. I read through it and it doesn't seem to difficult but in the tutorial it mentions that CWM requires MAGLDR? This is true or is this just outdated info?
I also read through the CLK release notes and it mentions that it does not support rmnet and MAGLDR does. What would that missing functionality affect exactly?
After reading through the above tutorial, I read I need a specific radio version. Where would I go to check the Radio Version? It's not like WM6.
Lastly, after reading the release notes, the developer of CLK has a bit of a negative tone towards CLK and mentions that it really isn't any better than MAGLDR. So given that would anyone advise against CLK? I really would like to charge my phone while it is off and MAGLDR currently does not support that and I'm not sure if it will ever.
Poopmonkey said:
Thank you for the advice and the tutorial. I read through it and it doesn't seem to difficult but in the tutorial it mentions that CWM requires MAGLDR? This is true or is this just outdated info?
I also read through the CLK release notes and it mentions that it does not support rmnet and MAGLDR does. What would that missing functionality affect exactly?
After reading through the above tutorial, I read I need a specific radio version. Where would I go to check the Radio Version? It's not like WM6.
Lastly, after reading the release notes, the developer of CLK has a bit of a negative tone towards CLK and mentions that it really isn't any better than MAGLDR. So given that would anyone advise against CLK? I really would like to charge my phone while it is off and MAGLDR currently does not support that and I'm not sure if it will ever.
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Hi,
The main difference between magldr and clk is the charging whilst it's off.
There are some complaints of data loss with clk,but this can be overcome with various wrappers.
Clk is native Android and has the advantage of being able to use ROM Manager too.
I personally find magldr easier to use,and have no use for charging when it's off,cos I have 2 batteries.
Magldr also has Tetris.
And now of course there is THIS TOOL (Don't forget to thank him).
Read the thread and see the advantages/disadvantages.
mate, you are thinking about it too much. pick one and go. give it a few days. if something is not working out, switch it. and to put your fears at rest, cwm can be used on magldr and clk. you have nothing to lose.
go and enjoy!
I may be! HAHA! I just want to understand everything before I take the plunge. This whole CLK memory loss thing concerns me so I might be sticking with MAGLDR, though I really wanted to charge my phone while it's off. Hopefully, someone will patch MAGLDR with that functionality. I'm not sure what the wrappers are but I suppose they are patches of sorts.
Also, would there be any way to preserve my memory of my phone like my contacts and stuff or do I have to erase them? I have most of my apps on my SD card so they should transfer over when I go to a cyanogenmod7 rom right?
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I may be! HAHA! I just want to understand everything before I take the plunge. This whole CLK memory loss thing concerns me so I might be sticking with MAGLDR, though I really wanted to charge my phone while it's off. Hopefully, someone will patch MAGLDR with that functionality. I'm not sure what the wrappers are but I suppose they are patches of sorts.
Also, would there be any way to preserve my memory of my phone like my contacts and stuff or do I have to erase them? I have most of my apps on my SD card so they should transfer over when I go to a cyanogenmod7 rom right?
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when you start fresh, it starts fresh.
my contacts are synched via gmail; i suggest you do the same or some other 3rd party app.
apks are not preserved unless dl'd from a market. but if you dl Astro from market it can backup all of your installed apks (free app btw.) just reinstall from sdcard after starting fresh.
i do not know if a nand backup from magldr would work on clk. i wouldn't as issues may arise.
now just do it. install clk. it's okay. everything will be fine. backup before you do and if clk isn't for you, return to magldr and reinstall your nand backup and all be like it was a bad dream. go go go!
Ok, I gonna go ahead after just two more questions. I don't really use my data on my phone. I only really use it to send picture messaging. I run on AT&T so I can only get EDGE speeds but I do use wifi many times for a quick search on the internet. Now, if I flash CLK since it doesn't support RMNET would it somehow impact my usage?
Lastly, I've been reading up on tutorials and it might be an incorrect assumption but is CLK and CWM together when you flash CLK? Because I see no mention of installing CWM, the tutorials just access the CWM menu and flash the rom.
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Ok, I gonna go ahead after just two more questions. I don't really use my data on my phone. I only really use it to send picture messaging. I run on AT&T so I can only get EDGE speeds but I do use wifi many times for a quick search on the internet. Now, if I flash CLK since it doesn't support RMNET would it somehow impact my usage?
Lastly, I've been reading up on tutorials and it might be an incorrect assumption but is CLK and CWM together when you flash CLK? Because I see no mention of installing CWM, the tutorials just access the CWM menu and flash the rom.
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Hi,
I can't comment on on the quality of data or wi-fi that you will get.That is something you will see when it's installed.
If you use the toolkit, you will be firstly installing cLK.Then you will need to install a system partition for the ROM you intend to use.You choose the size according to the information on the [OP] of the ROM you want.During this process the system partition is created and CWM is installed.
So are you saying that the lack of RMNET can affect the performance and/or usage of Wifi and EDGE?
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So are you saying that the lack of RMNET can affect the performance and/or usage of Wifi and EDGE?
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Hi,
I'm sorry I cannot comment fully on this.
I am just passing on observations from other users.
I,in fact have magldr, and have no such problems.
That's fine I was just wondering. I have MADLDR right now as well and it does not have any problems but I just want to be fully educated on CLK before I take the plunge. Also, I had another question in my previous post that you might be able to answer. Does CLK already have CWM incorporated into it because the tutorials I read on installing CLK takes no mention on installing CWM but rather it just boots into its menu.
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That's fine I was just wondering. I have MADLDR right now as well and it does not have any problems but I just want to be fully educated on CLK before I take the plunge. Also, I had another question in my previous post that you might be able to answer. Does CLK already have CWM incorporated into it because the tutorials I read on installing CLK takes no mention on installing CWM but rather it just boots into its menu.
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Hi,
As I mentioned before,try THIS TOOL (Don't forget to thank him)
If you take the plunge and install cLK,follow the steps on the toolkit.
1.task 29
2.install cLK
3.System repartition according to the ROM you want to use.
This repartitioning installs CWM as well.
Well, I flashed my phone and everything works but I used a pdf tutorial from the rom's page and then just used the Toolkit to only install CLK and partition it. Anyways, now that everything is working how can I change the Phone's POST Screen. The very first one cause I have this stupid NRG screen when I used his roms and that one replaced my T-mobile one. I'd like to replace it regardless. How would I do this?
that's the splashscreen. you flash it like you did a rom on WM.
best thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=895089
i have a couple too:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12713124&postcount=3
congrats on getting everything working!
Ah great! Thanks for the info, just a few minutes ago I flashed a different splash screen and its all good now! Yeah thankfully, I didn't really encounter any hiccups when I was installing all this stuff. Just had to edit a .bat file for my fastboot since the guy who made the premade package did not update it with the newest CWM but I got it and changed it so it flashes CWM 4 for me.
Also, even though CLK doesn't have RMNET, it isn't affecting my wifi usage so that's a plus and I really do like CM7 especially the sleep animation when you go into or out of sleep. Thanks again for all your help guys!
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Well, I flashed my phone and everything works but I used a pdf tutorial from the rom's page and then just used the Toolkit to only install CLK and partition it. Anyways, now that everything is working how can I change the Phone's POST Scre
en. The very first one cause I have this stupid NRG screen when I used his roms and that one replaced my T-mobile one. I'd like to replace it regardless. How would I do this?
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Hi,
LOL.I've still got NRG boot screen.
Reminds me of the good/ bad old days.
There are lots of ways to change your boot screen. Try here:
http://www.google.com/m?gl=gb&sourc...xda-developers.com+Change+flash+screen+on+hd2
Please, dear XDA'ers, take a little bit of time apart for a newbie at rooting. :l
I'm an Annoying Noob to you, as you probably already guessed. But I made this account, because I want to root my phone to Android gingerbread, with a -STABLE- sense (2.1+)3.0 UI.
So I had my eyes on THIS one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038694
BUT! I'm REALLY a noob at rooting. I've tried HaRET rooting, with a Nexus android Rrom, well... That didn't go too well, because via my SD things would become veeeery slow after a while. So I NAND rooted my phone to Android Gingerbread 2.3.3. I'm quiete happy with it, but it's not really the HTC feeling I get when I look at the UI.
So I saw sense 3.0 and fell in love.
Well enough about that. I have an HTC HD 2, it's NAND rooted and it's European... ALL I want is a STABLE sense 3.0 rom... That works for my phone.
Now I was wondering, if I would instal it... Would it work properly for me? None of us are sure. So that's why I want to back-up my ROM. With Clockwork rom recovery tool... you know, from the market. Well I get a very annoying error every time I try to back-up my data. I did flash the app to it's most current version, but when I want to make a back-up, my phone just reboots... and does... basically, nothing.
I don't want to mess up my phone entirely. So what should I do first, dear XDA'ers? Please, I just don't want my data to get lost. I tried multiple tutorials but none seem to have the answer to my problem!
sense 2.1 and sense 3 roms aren't stable yet. they have graphic glitches and camcorder problems. but if you don't consider these problems you can live with it. i may recommend http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075703 and http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1124757. in order to prepare your phone for different nand roms you ca use http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1090783.
mutil said:
sense 2.1 and sense 3 roms aren't stable yet. they have graphic glitches and camcorder problems. but if you don't consider these problems you can live with it. i may recommend http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075703 and http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1124757. in order to prepare your phone for different nand roms you ca use http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1090783.
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I will try this, and if I can't figure it out I will come back to this thread and whine more.
In any case, I think it's appropriate to thank you, it's the least I can do.
btw i think your phone has hspl 2.08 and mgldr?!
rom manager dont work with magldr.
To make a backup boot into cwm manually:
hold power down while rebooting -> magldr screen should appear
Then navigate to ad recovery-> backup and restore..rest should be clear.
..i wonder, how you installed nand roms, without to know how to boot to recovery? oO
j4n87 said:
rom manager dont work with magldr.
To make a backup boot into cwm manually:
hold power down while rebooting -> magldr screen should appear
Then navigate to ad recovery-> backup and restore..rest should be clear.
..i wonder, how you installed nand roms, without to know how to boot to recovery? oO
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I just raped my phone I think. I had HSPL installed, and MAGLDR and I think some other stuff too, so I used the first rom the first poster linked, and I downloaden the two files it told me to download in the instructions... I installed the custom RUU from that first rom, and then my phone kinda died. It only said "HTC" in green, and it diidn't do anything. So I flashed it back to WinMob 6.5. Now I have WinMob 6.5 (rom 1.66 or something I think) and I'm not sure what to do next. I don't want to brick my phone and I don't want WinMob 6.5 either.
*Sigh* I wonder if I'll ever understand rooting.
So just to clarify, I have HSPL (I'm sure it's the correct one too.) And I have MAGLDR installed on my phone. And I don't get the instructions from said thread.
<_> My brain is molten.
if you have come until mgldr don't give up. download the nand tool kit i mentioned a few posts before.choose and download a simple rom for beginning (you may take tyweens typhoon) put it in your sd. after that you will take a few steps. don't be afraid,many people (including me) faced same problems.
mutil said:
if you have come until mgldr don't give up. download the nand tool kit i mentioned a few posts before.choose and download a simple rom for beginning (you may take tyweens typhoon) put it in your sd. after that you will take a few steps. don't be afraid,many people (including me) faced same problems.
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Thing is, I don't want a simple rom... I'm stubborn like that, hehehe...
I want a sense 3.0 rom, but I'm not sure how to follow the instructions in the thread. It uses terms I've never heard from before...
Well, if there's a stable android 2.3.3/2.3.4 rom with sense 2.1, I'd consider that! Also, I hate the MAGLDR boot screen... you know, "Go go go!" I saw a rom with a very smooth and pretty boot screen... I'd try that too!
i just say if you can succeed to flash one, then you will learn the steps. after that you can try a different rom everyday,as i do
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i just say if you can succeed to flash one, then you will learn the steps. after that you can try a different rom everyday,as i do
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I will, hahaha. I just want my phone to be a real HTC phone, so I'm looking for a rom that actually has sense... If you have a suggestion...?
since your hd2 is eu, you should also use sd-ext partition have you done this?
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since your hd2 is eu, you should also use sd-ext partition have you done this?
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Yes, I have. I made a 2 gig EXT-4 partition. I just don't know what to do with it. I have Radio Leo installed, MAGLDR, HSPL... CWM and all that.
I tried flashing the two roms you suggested in your first post but they are stuck on the boot screen. I don't know what I'm doing wrong...
have you made necessary cwm partitions using usb flasher and nand toolkit?
and how did you make a 2 gb ext4 partition
Hello everyone,
I bought an HTC HD2 a few days ago, (not a new one) And it was installed with UltimateDroid, I don't really like this version, and Sense doesn't work on it, so I was wondering if I can delete it, and how.
And if I delete it, Will my phone automatically run Windows mobile?
I'm new to this and this is my first time with android and htc, So I don't know anything about it.
Hope someone can help..
You have to flash a new rom using AD Recovery Tool
Easiest thing for you to do would be to start from scratch or follow this guide. You shouldn't need to do step 1 and you will already have the prerequisites. This is for Android, not WinMo.
For WinMo, download a ROM and flash it from bootloader. See the Windows Mobile dev stickies for detailed instructions (you will be able to ignore the HSPL part.)
try the guide on addictive tips:how-to-install-android-on-internal-nand-memory-of-htc-hd2-with-magldr
how to wipe all my data... is it possible native duel boot... winnow vs android...
SharonThirza said:
Hello everyone,
I bought an HTC HD2 a few days ago, (not a new one) And it was installed with UltimateDroid, I don't really like this version, and Sense doesn't work on it, so I was wondering if I can delete it, and how.
And if I delete it, Will my phone automatically run Windows mobile?
I'm new to this and this is my first time with android and htc, So I don't know anything about it.
Hope someone can help..
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What do you want in stead of UltimateDroid?
Android with sense, or WM6.5?
We need to know this in order to give you proper help.
I personally recommend Android, WM6.5 is a dying OS...
selvag said:
how to wipe all my data... is it possible native duel boot... winnow vs android...
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Dual boot is possible, WinMo on NAND, Android from SD, you can even have Ubuntu Linux on SD at the same time for triple boot.
To wipe data if you plan on going back to Windows Mobile on NAND, just flash a Windows Mobile ROM at the tri-color bootloader screen (boot the device up while holding the vol - key)
If you have Android on NAND, and want to keep Android but just want to wipe data, there's an option for that in CWM Recovery.
If you have WinMo on NAND, and just want to do a data wipe/factory reset, power on while holding both volume keys and follow the on-screen prompt
If you want to format your NAND memory, there is a tool called task 29, but it's not necessary.
If you're asking whether you can run both Windows Mobile and Android from NAND, no. It's one or the other
se1988 said:
What do you want in stead of UltimateDroid?
Android with sense, or WM6.5?
We need to know this in order to give you proper help.
I personally recommend Android, WM6.5 is a dying OS...
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Sorry for the late reply, I want Android with sense! I have no experience with flashing roms etc. Never done anything like it before.
OK really first do you have magLDR or cLK ... when you turn on phone does it immediately go to boot screen or do you see some running script followed by 1,2,3,4,5,6 ... go go go!
if you have go go go the simply go to the Dev forums find a rom with (magLDR) in the title and follow instructions. they almost have a link to the best recovery to use with their rom.
if you boot straight up like a native android, or you can charge your phone when its turned off you have cLK ... to the dev forums and look for (cLK) in title and again follow instructions and get to it.
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OK really first do you have magLDR or cLK ... when you turn on phone does it immediately go to boot screen or do you see some running script followed by 1,2,3,4,5,6 ... go go go!
if you have go go go the simply go to the Dev forums find a rom with (magLDR) in the title and follow instructions. they almost have a link to the best recovery to use with their rom.
if you boot straight up like a native android, or you can charge your phone when its turned off you have cLK ... to the dev forums and look for (cLK) in title and again follow instructions and get to it.
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It says the 1,2,3,4,5,6.. go go go! thing, but I can also choose to go to boot screen, which gives me all kinds of numbers with flash rom and stuff.
But thanks, I'll have a look!
Hello;
It's been 5 days that i'm reading about this problem, and i didn't find any reliable solution, so i'm posting it here:
I've juste flashed my third HD2 with a new radio (2.15) an android NAND rom (the Nexus HD2 ICS), and since then i can't get into the bootloader mode, i've tried the vol -, the adb reboot bootloader, and nothing works.
i want to access the bootloader to downgrade the radio to the 2.12, and without the connection to usb via activesync, i can't do it. i just can access the MAGLDR menu when it says WPH not installed (i think it's the source of the problem) and then install roms.
So if anyone can help me changing my radio without the bootloader or how to get it back, i'd really appreciate it.
Vol down works perfet on WM6.5 and on android, and i've tested it with the key tester in Recovery mode
No answer?? no one raising the finger?? So basicly there's no solution for my problem!!!
Aaaaah did you change the boot source looks like Its trying to boot windows mobile and you have android installed btw we have no fast boot support in magldr. Change the boot source under services and technically it should work
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using XDA
I restored the boot source to Android from NAND, and it just simply avoids the "WPH not installed" message on Magldr, nothing to do with the bootloader who is still missing... anyway thanks for the tip.
Lol if your bootloader is gone your phone would be bricked!
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA
Big-amine said:
I restored the boot source to Android from NAND, and it just simply avoids the "WPH not installed" message on Magldr, nothing to do with the bootloader who is still missing... anyway thanks for the tip.
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I don't think your alone because I've read a similar thread a while back but I can't seem to find it again. Basically it was reported to be an issue for many users who had used HSPL4 to flash HSPL or something like that. I did and can still access the bootloader but others have had problems. I don't think it should be something to be too concerned about unless you want to restore back to stock WinMo to send it in for repairs or something or if you want to change bootloader from MAGLDR to cLK. Flashing the radio as you wanted to do can be useful but I doubt there's a significant difference between these. And whenever anyone mentions 'do a Task29 to be safe' it's just BS. Task29ing is unnecessary in most situations but people have simply got into the habit of doing so every time they flash a ROM (which can actually be bad for the phone as it can eventually lead to bad blocks from what I've read) so whenever people ask for help their first response is Task29. Basically, I would say that you shouldn't worry about it too much