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Is it worth the extra 500 US Dollars

to purchase the Samsung Galaxy S I9000 instead of the AT&T branded Samsung Captivate?

xhalz said:
to purchase the Samsung Galaxy S I9000 instead of the AT&T branded Samsung Captivate?
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I think it's more like $150-$200 difference without a contract.
With the Galaxy S you get a front-facing camera, as well as an unlocked phone without carrier logos plastered on the front - which alone might be worth it to many.
I also much prefer the large middle button on the Galaxy S, than the 4-button array on the carrier phones.

I understand the front facing camera and I much prefer the design of the I9000 but if I buy Captivate it will be with 2yr contract and I don't know if it is enough to justify the extra cash especially if I cannot upgrade to iPhone 4 and sell for profit.
If my Samsung Captivate is rooted the software on both devices will be the same correct?

xhalz said:
to purchase the Samsung Galaxy S I9000 instead of the AT&T branded Samsung Captivate?
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Do you live in an area with 1900mhz 3g coverage? If not, you will be able to use only edge with the i9000.
I bought the SGS for AT&T because of the front camera, no AT&T tampering, and I prefer the SGS look over the Captivate. Also, I don't live anywhere near 3g, so I'm okay with just edge. But it did cost me an arm and a leg.

Is there a map where I can see 850 mhz v 1900 mhz I found one but it is old

A map would be great.
In my part of Los Angeles, I get 3G/H on AT&T probably 70% of the time, the rest is E.

well I decided to purchase the Samsung Captivate, but would still like a map in case I decide to switch within 30 days

It might also be possible for you to get the dumb phone data plan if you have an international version of the Galaxy S because AT&T probably wouldn't have their IMEI numbers... But then again, I'm not 100% sure on how they do their sweeps so dont quote me on this

Afaik you won't be able to use custom roms, becouse of diffrences that captivate has. So yes its worth to pay more...
Sent from my GT-I9000 using Tapatalk

where would one buy the unlocked international version?
Does it have all the features that are missing in different versions of this phone? Such as camera flash, front camera etc?
Bell Canada is getting this phone, but it won't have flash. Not sure what other differences it will have.

ogg1e said:
where would one buy the unlocked international version?
Does it have all the features that are missing in different versions of this phone? Such as camera flash, front camera etc?
Bell Canada is getting this phone, but it won't have flash. Not sure what other differences it will have.
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international version is the first version to come out and no it does not have camera flash, but it does have front camera. I got mine from ebay.

INeedYourHelp said:
international version is the first version to come out and no it does not have camera flash, but it does have front camera. I got mine from ebay.
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Is there a version of this phone that has all the features? Sounds like the Bell Canada one will be the same as the international one.

Most importantly, the international model is 900/2100 mhz only while at&t is 850/2100 mhz. So big difference in radios
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Unlocked I9000 850/2100 MHz

There are a couple of threads around at the moment that are eluding to a 850 MHz version of the Galaxy S. I'm currently using an original UK I9000 (900/2100 MHz) and am sick of the terrible service of 900 MHz carriers in Australia.
As such, when people start getting their hands on 850 MHz unlocked Galaxy S would they mind listing the following information.
- Reseller / Carrier (if they sell outright)
- Reseller / Carrier Shipping Destinations
- Price
- Firmware Version
- Locked / Unlocked
Semi-related, I contacted HTC Australia a couple of times when I was considering purchasing the Desire. HTC confirmed with me that all versions of the Desire are absolutely identical in terms of hardware. This confirmed the research I had performed that the HTC's/Nexus' radio chip has the ability to support both 850/900 MHz (not necessarily simultaneously). So it is definitely the case that flashing firmware onto your phone can convert a 900 MHz phone to a 850 MHz phone or vice versa. However, the firmware that needs to be flashed probably isn't directly flashable using standard android tools. You probably require physical access to the radio frequency chip to flash firmware onto the chip as well as corresponding firmware onto the phone. Where I'm going with all this is...
If we have any electronically inclined people on these forums, on top of the above information I would love to know if someone is willing to investigate whether it is possible to dump radio chip firmware from their 850 MHz device.
EDIT: I'll include the list of phones below.
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MKVFTW said:
- Bell Store (full price, non-customer)
- Medicine Hat, Ab, Canada
- $499.99+ tax
- 2.1update1 firmware
- I9000UGJG9 baseband
- Locked
I have been having a hell of a time finding anywhere that will unlock these. I am with rogers and i want to unlock it to use with them.
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NOTE: The online store appears to only sell to customers so you definitely have to live in Canada in order to get the phone shipped to you.

check page 2 out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=745476&page=2
New Zealand your neightbourd carries the 850 version straight off Samsung website, hopefully it's unlocked, as i'm planning to get a 850 as well

AllGamer said:
check page 2 out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=745476&page=2
New Zealand your neightbourd carries the 850 version straight off Samsung website, hopefully it's unlocked, as i'm planning to get a 850 as well
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Thanks. I did notice that thread however, it's actually why I started this one. I just figured it would be a good idea to have a central place for people to upload information. So we can compare between resellers and learn a bit about the devices from each reseller once people get them in their hands.

I'm looking forward to see results from the New Zealand model, and Bell.
I'll try to pick up one tomorrow from Bell and see if it works, and if we can unlock it.

@All Gamer: Are you going to have the phone unlocked? Even though you still in the Bell network.
I be checking in everyday for this.
I also noticed that the model number for this unit is actually i9000. Is the CA and NZ model names are i9000 with quad band? or different like the us version of i897 and t959. Just wondering if they were different then the Euro Version.

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sl8125 said:
I be checking in everyday for this.
I also noticed that the model number for this unit is actually i9000. Is the CA and NZ model names are i9000 with quad band? or different like the us version of i897 and t959. Just wondering if they were different then the Euro Version.
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inside the phone, after you take out the battery it's a GT-i9000M
firmware was something J?5 (forgot the middle letter)
the Euro/Asia version is GT-i9000
they actually finally revealed the updated page, 2 weeks ago it didn't have the Tech Spec yet
http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/...dex.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&tab=specification

oh wow! i just noticed something that i overlooked previously
check this out!!!
UMTS + GSM（850/900/1800/1900MHz）
http://www.samsung.com/hk/consumer/...dex.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&tab=specification
that is the Asia version of the GT-i9000 (same as Euro) but!!! it has both the 850+900+1900 band, but missing the 2100 band (which i don't really care as in America we don't have much use for the 2100, 90% of the network in USA/Canada is 850+1900)

i'm on Fido...
sl8125 said:
@All Gamer: Are you going to have the phone unlocked? Even though you still in the Bell network.
I be checking in everyday for this.
I also noticed that the model number for this unit is actually i9000. Is the CA and NZ model names are i9000 with quad band? or different like the us version of i897 and t959. Just wondering if they were different then the Euro Version.
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sl8125 said:
@All Gamer: Are you going to have the phone unlocked? Even though you still in the Bell network.
I be checking in everyday for this.
I also noticed that the model number for this unit is actually i9000. Is the CA and NZ model names are i9000 with quad band? or different like the us version of i897 and t959. Just wondering if they were different then the Euro Version.
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No idea about the CA model, but the NZ model is the same as the european just with the different radio bands but no ideas about when it will be released, I emailed samsung NZ asking about it but no response yet. All phones sold in NZ are unlocked even apples's iphone 4 which has an exclusive contract with vodafone here is sold unlocked.

interestingly enough the Asia version also has different radio than the NZ version, the NZ has 2100 band, but the Asia one doesn't in its place it keeps most of the lower bands
according to Wikipedia, seems like the only country that uses 2100 is Brazil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands
why would cell phones sold in Europe/NZ ship with that band?

dunno...
anyways @ AllGamer, where are you in canada?
i get decent 3g coverage in the GTA...unless i'm in a basement and some houses...
also how's your gps?
works fine for me everywhere i've tested... haven't had any issues with locking
longest i've taken i think is like 30 seconds for a lock outdoors
and that was from a cold start after i flashed a new rom

- Bell Store (full price, non-customer)
- Medicine Hat, Ab, Canada
- $499.99+ tax
- 2.1update1 firmware
- I9000UGJG9 baseband
- Locked
I have been having a hell of a time finding anywhere that will unlock these. I am with rogers and i want to unlock it to use with them.

AllGamer said:
interestingly enough the Asia version also has different radio than the NZ version, the NZ has 2100 band, but the Asia one doesn't in its place it keeps most of the lower bands
according to Wikipedia, seems like the only country that uses 2100 is Brazil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands
why would cell phones sold in Europe/NZ ship with that band?
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for 3G
2100 is used here in NZ by vodafone but 2100 is used in loads of countries mainly through europe I think.
http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
and best way to get detailed info on what a country uses is here
http://www.gsmarena.com/network-bands.php3?sCountry=NEW+ZEALAND

pizzachips said:
dunno...
anyways @ AllGamer, where are you in canada?
i get decent 3g coverage in the GTA...unless i'm in a basement and some houses...
also how's your gps?
works fine for me everywhere i've tested... haven't had any issues with locking
longest i've taken i think is like 30 seconds for a lock outdoors
and that was from a cold start after i flashed a new rom
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no problem as well, that's why i don't know why so many people are complaining about the GPS and "lag"
coming from Windows Mobile, this "lag" is nothing, GPS takes average 5~15 sec to pick up depending on weather, my old phone it takes 5 min to 1 hour to pick up
and waiting for the Windows software to load was always like an eternity, that's why iphone got so famous, because windows mobiles devices have always been slow, and i'm sure it will continue to be slow even with the same CPU, cuz my old phone was a 625Mhz CPU, and still didn't cut it, i OCed it to 650Mhz and it was not much better, but definitely noticeable... anyways.... the SGS i9000 is a dream to use.
GTA as well, 3G is mostly fine in most areas, but sometimes when you are down in the subway (the stations with open tunnels) it can't pick up 3G only G or Edge, and some parking lots
it is more a concern about traveling as, drive around Ontario/Quebec quite a bit, having the 850 band is a safety & bonus.
so if the new one from Bell works, i'll sell the UK i9000 version (sill in stock firmware but rooted)

thanks for the info man.
is that a demo one, or you purchased it already?
the past 2 days i've been trying to buy one to study it in detail, with no luck, as the sales guys didn't want to sell me their "demo" units
MKVFTW said:
- Bell Store (full price, non-customer)
- Medicine Hat, Ab, Canada
- $499.99+ tax
- 2.1update1 firmware
- I9000UGJG9 baseband
- Locked
I have been having a hell of a time finding anywhere that will unlock these. I am with rogers and i want to unlock it to use with them.
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Brazil will have a 850/1900/2100 3g version next month. It will also have digital TV.
Just one little issue: Price! It will cost US$ 1400.00

Dandarebr said:
Brazil will have a 850/1900/2100 3g version next month. It will also have digital TV.
Just one little issue: Price! It will cost US$ 1400.00
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So most people in Brasil will never be able to afford it then or do you have 20 year contracts over there with carriers?
TV... meh, I think most people just stream tv/movies now on demand..

Dandarebr said:
Brazil will have a 850/1900/2100 3g version next month. It will also have digital TV.
Just one little issue: Price! It will cost US$ 1400.00
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that is the Korea version, the Korean version comes with the DTV
but wow! at $1400 that's a bit too much, specially for people living in Brazil

AllGamer said:
that is the Korea version, the Korean version comes with the DTV
but wow! at $1400 that's a bit too much, specially for people living in Brazil
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I think you will find brasil is getting a version with tv also.
or are you just meaning they are getting the same model?
I still cant get over that price though.. seems insane....

Confirmed Rogers Galaxy S = AT&T Captivate

Pre-order has begun
http://www.rogers.com/web/content/s...less_0910_Eng-_-SamsungGalaxyS_WIR_LowerBadge
I'm quite sure they'll find them-self most of their own clientèle using a Galaxy S will end up being the i9000m from their rival Bell
LOL

wonder if upload speed will be disabled like att model
also wonder why they didnt pick up the i9000m (better phone) like the bell version?

500 Minutes + 1 GB Data7 + Unlimited Social Networking
$70.00/month
jesus christ thats expensive thats like £44 a month

who knows said:
500 Minutes + 1 GB Data7 + Unlimited Social Networking
$70.00/month
jesus christ thats expensive thats like £44 a month
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Yep, the big 3 tel companies pretty much have the market all to themselves thanks to the CRTC. No competition = crap deals for the consumer.

who knows said:
500 Minutes + 1 GB Data7 + Unlimited Social Networking
$70.00/month
jesus christ thats expensive thats like £44 a month
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You have no freaking idea buddy. A few years ago we were paying activation fees which I believe were around $7. On top of that we have to pay for voice mail and caller ID, a package which you can get for $10-15 and which I believe is already included in US plans. Plus they make you pay to use tethering if you don't have a plan that's > 500MB and you also have to pay for the use of the front facing camera.
Basically the big 3 (Bell, Telus and Rogers) are huge shysters.
Edit: I think my old plan came out to around $50 for 350min + national 10 + VM and CID. That's a Telus plan with system activation fee and all that crap.

Well, I've already got an unlocked Bell Vibrant running on Rogers. Granted, buying it out right was kinda painful but I'd rather get the better hardware.
As for pricing, Rogers does have terrible pricing unless you've been with them for a while. Side note, if you're signing up with Rogers or upgrading, you have until September 30th to get 6GB data as a $30 add-on. The deal also applies to Fido.

why do you guys prefer bells i9000's over the captivate?
I've been waiting for months now for rogers to get the captivate.
no way im going back to bell...

Berserk87 said:
why do you guys prefer bells i9000's over the captivate?
I've been waiting for months now for rogers to get the captivate.
no way im going back to bell...
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you don't need to go to Bell to get the I9000M
you can unlock I9000M and use it with Rogers / Fido / Telus
i'm using it with Fido
the Vibrant I9000M is way better than the Captivate SGH-I897
the Captivate is crippled, the Vibrant is full feature just like the UK version I9000

AllGamer said:
you don't need to go to Bell to get the I9000M
you can unlock I9000M and use it with Rogers / Fido / Telus
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I know that, but I prefer the design of the captivate over the i9000.
the i9000 feels cheap and looks like an iphone.
AllGamer said:
you don't need to go to Bell to get the I9000M
the Captivate is crippled, the Vibrant is full feature just like the UK version I9000
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whats crippled on it?
the only thing I know of is the market which is easily fixed.

It doesnt have the front camera nor video calling for one

KaliKot said:
It doesnt have the front camera nor video calling for one
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I don't care about video calling at all, I can't think of a single time I would use that.
I would't drop $500 on a phone just to have it feel cheap, and have everyone walk up to me saying "is that the new iphone?"

LMAO it happens to me all the time, "wow is that new iphone" then i point to the big silver samsung logo and they are like "OMG what phone is that!"

is not having the front facing camera the only difference?
can the bell version (i9000M) still flash the i9000 firmware from the US models?

I believe the captivate is also missing fm radio, not sure though.
Sent from my GT-I9000M using XDA App

Berserk87 said:
is not having the front facing camera the only difference?
can the bell version (i9000M) still flash the i9000 firmware from the US models?
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there are no USA i9000 models
there are UK i9000 models
all USA models are not compatible with I9000M

Berserk87 said:
is not having the front facing camera the only difference?
can the bell version (i9000M) still flash the i9000 firmware from the US models?
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also the u.s. captivate models have 3g upload speed disabled..

lgkahn said:
also the u.s. captivate models have 3g upload speed disabled..
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i hope this is a Network related thing, and not a phone thing
but being ROGERS... they are more than capable
they copy everything from AT&T, unfortunately they don't copy the better price plans offered by AT&T

AllGamer said:
i hope this is a Network related thing, and not a phone thing
but being ROGERS... they are more than capable
they copy everything from AT&T, unfortunately they don't copy the better price plans offered by AT&T
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no we know it is a phone related thing i read some of the threads on it when i was thinking of getting one.. they worked around it with alternate kernels from i9000 but then the rotation and buttons were hosed up.. dont remember if they ever totally worked around it.. i think maybe with a custom kernel

wow! that explains a lot why the I9000M version is so popular down in the south

knowing Rogers they will have Samsung Lock down the phone so its hard to do anything with.. like root. try different roms.

Galaxy S EU i9000 work on AWS

I am on T-Mobile netwok for some months and noticed that I was always on Edge, so I want to use the 3G network.
The only solution is to change my hardware? or there is another way to do so?

Sell your Euro i9000 and buy the Nexus S

KiDYu said:
Sell your Euro i9000 and buy the Nexus S
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So you suggest I can go out now and buy Nexus S, give me the link... Are you willing to pay for i9000 what Nexus S costs?

go to ebay...sell your i9000 and get a Vibrant + couple hundred dollars

[[ Cold ]] said:
go to ebay...sell your i9000 and get a Vibrant + couple hundred dollars
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The only difference is the 3G Quadband? I will have the same firmwares I have from my i9000?

_DiMoN_ said:
The only difference is the 3G Quadband? I will have the same firmwares I have from my i9000?
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I am suspecting that the hardware is there but not the menu in band selection...grrrrr
The Vibrant does not have Front Facing Camera...

_DiMoN_ said:
I am suspecting that the hardware is there but not the menu in band selection...grrrrr
The Vibrant does not have Front Facing Camera...
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The hardware is different. The i9000 does not support the AWS bands.
Only one that does, is the vibrant.
You're giving up a camera you'll probably never use, or you're stuck with edge.
Easy choice.

0mega1 said:
The hardware is different. The i9000 does not support the AWS bands.
Only one that does, is the vibrant.
You're giving up a camera you'll probably never use, or you're stuck with edge.
Easy choice.
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Thank you for the help.. or change providers...
But CDMA providers like Sprint are out of the question, right? Only AT&T?

diffrence between this and the i9000 galaxy S?

hey guys
just wondering what the diffrence is between the galaxy S fascinate and the galaxy S i9000 is?
i cant find any direct comparisons.
can anyone please help me?

The i9000 is a GSM phone. Fascinate is a CDMA phone.

The i9000 also has an FM radio, we don't

Kevin Gossett said:
The i9000 is a GSM phone. Fascinate is a CDMA phone.
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what does that mean? can i still use one here in australia? was thinking of buying one of these, its NextG compatible to, which is what i want.
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The i9000 also has an FM radio, we don't
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i dont care for radios so no big deal there

i9000 has a Front-Facing camera I believe.

From a bit of research (i.e. Googling ) it would appear that Australia's CDMA network was shut down in 2008, and the GSM network became the only option. A CDMA-only phone won't work on a GSM network, and vice-versa. There are a few phones that support both CDMA and GSM (such as the Droid 2 Global), but most only support one or the other. It would appear that the Fascinate would be pretty much useless in Australia, although the i9000 should work fine if it uses the same set of frequencies as they use there.

Product F(RED) said:
i9000 has a Front-Facing camera I believe.
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yeah mine has a front facing camera, reason i want one is my galaxy S isn't NextG so its slow as **** on the internet, i want a NextG one but the fascinate is the only one they have on stick
it says network is GSM to ??
http://www.smoothmobiles.com.au/samsung-fascinate-nextg.html

aussiesausage said:
yeah mine has a front facing camera, reason i want one is my galaxy S isn't NextG so its slow as **** on the internet, i want a NextG one but the fascinate is the only one they have on stick
it says network is GSM to ??
http://www.smoothmobiles.com.au/samsung-fascinate-nextg.html
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The Fascinate is a CDMA phone. In the US, it's sold on Verizon Wireless. It has 384 MB of RAM in exchange for larger internal storage and camera flash. The Epic is a CDMA phone. It's arguably the best out of all of the US variants. It has a slide-out keyboard and six-axis accelerometer and Front-Facing camera and 5MP camera with single-LED flash. It's sold on Sprint. The Vibrant is closes to the original i9000. It's basically the same except that it has no front-facing camera (although the space to add one is still there) and it has 4 capacitive buttons on the front instead of the original 2. It's GSM. The Captivate is the same as the Vibrant except it's sold on AT&T and, by default, can't sideload applications because of AT&T's stupid restrictions.

The only differences are as many before me have said : Its a CDMA phone, It lacks a front facing camera, and It doesn't have the same amount of internal storage as the i9000 (we do still have 512 megs of RAM, the system only makes 3 something available to android like with all of the S variants). In your situation though it sounds like you'd be better off with an i909. Its basically the 9000 with both CDMA and GSM support but its only for the Chinese market so it may be a bit hard to come across (Ive been hunting for one for the longest myslf to no avail)

What about the Samsung Captivate?
If i got one of them would i be going from good to worse if i sell my Galaxy S i9000?
Really want a NextG and can get a Captivate for $599 ( NextG version )

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Samsung had a gsm model on the market. Isn't that what TelUs in Canada uses?
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CDMA only works in the US. GSM is global. So don't worry about the features. make sure the device works on your network FIRST

If it's being sold in Aus it's probably the Telus Fascinate. OP, is the model # T959D (Telus) or i500 (Verizon)?
Both the Telus Fascinate and the AT&T/Rogers Captivate are GSM phones with the 850 band used for 3g down under. Only the Telus has HSUPA, though, so it may be slightly faster.

takylo said:
CDMA only works in the US. GSM is global. So don't worry about the features. make sure the device works on your network FIRST
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Not true. CDMA is in the US, Canada, and several countries around the world including Japan and even Australia, up until 2008.
However, with CDMA, there is no SIM card to switch and it's a ***** to switch networks and take your phone with you unless the new network doesn't care if you bring outside phones.

ok just called them up and its the TelUS version, so its the GSM version, and NextG will work
fascinate a good pick then after i sell my i9000?
also, they are trying to tell me this phone now
http://www.mobicity.com.au/samsung-vibrant-galaxy-s-16gb.html
is that good after selling my i9000?

Uh, no. The Bell Vibrant (i9000m) would be ok, but that's the T mo one which has different and incompatible bands.

s44 said:
Uh, no. The Bell Vibrant (i9000m) would be ok, but that's the T mo one which has different and incompatible bands.
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it says GSM 850 which is telstra NextG
my god this mobile **** is pee-ing me off, its so hard

No it doesn't: look at the fine print at the link.
Just get the Telus.

The tmobile vibrant does in-fact support the 850 band when its unlocked (just search for tmobile vibrant on AT&T because I cant link it) so either model works
Edit: Or not i suffered from foot in mouth syndrome it only supports the 1900 band

Hitokiri24 said:
The tmobile vibrant does in-fact support the 850 band when its unlocked (just search for tmobile vibrant on AT&T because I cant link it) so either model works
Edit: Or not i suffered from foot in mouth syndrome it only supports the 1900 band
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You can unlock it yourself. There are apps on and off the market that will do it for you. Also, the T-Mobile version supports both T-Mobile's and AT&T's 3G frequencies.