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Is this Vibrant the same as Bell's?

Just wondering if this T Mobile Vibrant is the same as far as rooting and flashing goes as the version Bell will be launching soon in Canada?
Thanks

Bump, anyone know?

To my knowledge, no it isn't. It seems like it will be the same (or atleast look the same) as the euro galaxy S

biggest consideration is to check what frequencies your carrier uses ie is it GSM or CDMA, and for 3g Data what freqs
the tmobile is GSM and for 3G Tmo uses the AWS IV band, ie 1700/2100, and it has to be both of those if you were bringing a european phone here to the USA to use on tmobile - tmobile europe only uses 2100 for 3G, no 1700
as the 2100 is the download side i figured i could live without 3g upload speed but just before pulling the trigger on a european tmobile HTC Desire i found out that if the phone didn't have both sides, ie both 1700 for upload and 2100 for download, tmo's network would hold the phone to 2G or EDGE data speeds
so best bet is to first identify Bell's freqs - and you can do that on the web -
hope that helps some

Thanks, Bell's network is 850/1900. Same as AT&T but it doesn't look anything like the Captivate. Too many models of the same phone... too confusing...

I wouldn't be concerned with looks, in fact to me (i own a vibrant) i like the captivate case better - that report endgadget.com had on the two (vibrant/captivate) liked the way the captivate's case released in the back
the vibrant you have to pop the caseback with your fingernail - its secure but kind of a chintzy way to do it, especially when the capitvate has a nice pull and release mechanism
and the rear surface has some texture for a little better grip

A Dustman said:
Thanks, Bell's network is 850/1900. Same as AT&T but it doesn't look anything like the Captivate. Too many models of the same phone... too confusing...
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My guess is the standard Galaxy S form factor is a little too much like the iPhone for AT&T's taste, so they wanted one that looks different. They don't want to piss off Apple, their goose that lays the golden eggs.
Sent from my Samsung Vibrant

I've got my crystal ball tuned up...
Bell gets a unit that looks exactly like the US T-Mobile Vibrant, otherwise they wouldn't have called it that. With the AWS/2100 replaced with 850/1900, and same as the T-Mo, no FFC. Bell gets the first Canadian unit, so they got that going on for "cool factor". I'm like 95.9% sure of this.
Based on the posters for the launch party, Telus gets an GSM Epic. That makes a lot of sense, especially since they're releasing the LCD Desire very shortly...the thicker, less sleek Epic would not be in the same category, and they wouldn't have went to the expense of getting the Desire if they were getting regular non-keyboard Galaxy S variant, and vice versa. I'm about 75% sure of this.
A Telus Epic would also make a great replacement for the aging Milestone, which is now out of production, with the GSM Milestone 2 probably still months off.
Rogers gets an unknown unit. I'd lean towards them getting the Captivate style, except for the whole AT&T exclusive lock on the unit, September release of the same unit that works on the same bands seems a little soon for AT&T to give up on the exclusivity costs.
But Rogers needs something to bring to the table that's different than Bell or Telus, so they may get a GSM Fascinate (complete with camera flash). The timing matches the Verizon release window as well, and both may be waiting on Samsung to get these into full production. They may also get the Euro model complete with FFC and big home button, Rogers has a history of supporting video calling. Whatever version they release, it will most likely ship with Froyo in the box.
To confuse the Rogers matter more, the rumor in the SIM unlocking circles is that the AT&T Captivate codes won't be available until October. If Rogers ships a Captivate version of it in September, with the same name, then AT&T will start releasing SIM codes to those that ask, because it's no longer exclusivity-locked.
I'm 33% on each of the Rogers options (Captivate, Fascinate, "pure" Galaxy S)
But it's all guesswork.

That's a pretty interesting theory you have there, and it makes sense too.
Has anyone gotten any of these Galaxy S models sim unlocked yet?

Croak said:
I've got my crystal ball tuned up...
Bell gets a unit that looks exactly like the US T-Mobile Vibrant, otherwise they wouldn't have called it that. With the AWS/2100 replaced with 850/1900, and same as the T-Mo, no FFC. Bell gets the first Canadian unit, so they got that going on for "cool factor". I'm like 95.9% sure of this.
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This is the only part of your comment that I think I will argue with. I think the bell version will look identical to the european one. Why do I think so? Two reasons my dear watson,
A.) www . youtube.com/watch?=8QSl8FyhjJE&feature=player_embedded
This video which I believe is correct. (and I think I saw another video that was just a hands on in a small room filled with guys in suits and the one reviewer.
B.) The Samsung Canada page for this device: www . samsung.com/ca/consumer/mobile/mobile-phones/all-phones/GT-I9000HKABMC/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&returnurl=
P.S. I've also heard of rumours of Rogers coming out with a galaxy S device, and Furthermore, supposedly the release date for the Bell Galaxy S will be August 6th

Samsung Galaxy S or Captivate?

Hello, I need some help in choosing my new phone I have an opportunity to buy Samsung Galaxy S for $700 here in Russia but I really don't like its iPhonish design but it's possible to buy some replacing backplates and firmware support is better than Captivate's one I think.
And I really love the Captivate's design, it really looks fantastic! But I am not really sure if it will be unlockable by the end of this summer when I come back home, so it's very risky.
Advise me something, please
P.S. Sorry for 2 themes in different thredes but I really have only 1 day to choose.
btw Samsung Galaxy S is HSDPA 900 / 1900 / 2100
so it's better to buy AT&T Data plan for 3g internet? because t-mobile has 1700/2100 and is 2100 enough for normal 3g?
Is gyroscope so important in Captivate and has anybody tried to use Samsung Galaxy's face camera?

firstable you didn't tell us where you are planing to use the phone more.
In America, or in Europe?
if in America you can get the Captive, which is only missing the front camera.
if you are using it mostly in Europe, then get the i9000 model, which has everything.
but you only work with the 1900 data and phone in America
some areas you can use the 2100 band
yes you can change firmware, and you can remove all the iphone like software, to replace it with your own software.
there are very good backplage/cases here in this topic very cheap from ebay, but very good quality
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=699379

I am going to use it in the USA until the end of this summer and then in Russia only
here it is HSDPA 1900/2100
I don't really need front camera but as additional feature it's ok
I don't know how to use these e-shops, sorry) Maybe you know where I can get these cases in some offline shops in the US?

Buy the European model.
The AT&T Captivate uses the 850 band for 3G.
You won't be able to use that in Russia for 3G.
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agree buy the SGS i9000 model that is the international (European/Asia) model

we don't have 850/950 in Russia, so I don't care
well, 900 must be useful when travelling in Europe
I liked the Captivate so much

DarkVasyaK said:
I am going to use it in the USA until the end of this summer and then in Russia only
here it is HSDPA 1900/2100
I don't really need front camera but as additional feature it's ok
I don't know how to use these e-shops, sorry) Maybe you know where I can get these cases in some offline shops in the US?
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Amazon is a must-learn if you will be in the US for a year, but if you want to go offline I hear Costco has the best deal. The savings would more than pay for the membership (maybe $35 annual?) and then you'd have a Costco membership as a bonus.

hmm... my local cotsco stores doesn't have the SGS yet on any flavour.

Confirmed Rogers Galaxy S = AT&T Captivate

Pre-order has begun
http://www.rogers.com/web/content/s...less_0910_Eng-_-SamsungGalaxyS_WIR_LowerBadge
I'm quite sure they'll find them-self most of their own clientèle using a Galaxy S will end up being the i9000m from their rival Bell
LOL

wonder if upload speed will be disabled like att model
also wonder why they didnt pick up the i9000m (better phone) like the bell version?

500 Minutes + 1 GB Data7 + Unlimited Social Networking
$70.00/month
jesus christ thats expensive thats like £44 a month

who knows said:
500 Minutes + 1 GB Data7 + Unlimited Social Networking
$70.00/month
jesus christ thats expensive thats like £44 a month
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Yep, the big 3 tel companies pretty much have the market all to themselves thanks to the CRTC. No competition = crap deals for the consumer.

who knows said:
500 Minutes + 1 GB Data7 + Unlimited Social Networking
$70.00/month
jesus christ thats expensive thats like £44 a month
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You have no freaking idea buddy. A few years ago we were paying activation fees which I believe were around $7. On top of that we have to pay for voice mail and caller ID, a package which you can get for $10-15 and which I believe is already included in US plans. Plus they make you pay to use tethering if you don't have a plan that's > 500MB and you also have to pay for the use of the front facing camera.
Basically the big 3 (Bell, Telus and Rogers) are huge shysters.
Edit: I think my old plan came out to around $50 for 350min + national 10 + VM and CID. That's a Telus plan with system activation fee and all that crap.

Well, I've already got an unlocked Bell Vibrant running on Rogers. Granted, buying it out right was kinda painful but I'd rather get the better hardware.
As for pricing, Rogers does have terrible pricing unless you've been with them for a while. Side note, if you're signing up with Rogers or upgrading, you have until September 30th to get 6GB data as a $30 add-on. The deal also applies to Fido.

why do you guys prefer bells i9000's over the captivate?
I've been waiting for months now for rogers to get the captivate.
no way im going back to bell...

Berserk87 said:
why do you guys prefer bells i9000's over the captivate?
I've been waiting for months now for rogers to get the captivate.
no way im going back to bell...
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you don't need to go to Bell to get the I9000M
you can unlock I9000M and use it with Rogers / Fido / Telus
i'm using it with Fido
the Vibrant I9000M is way better than the Captivate SGH-I897
the Captivate is crippled, the Vibrant is full feature just like the UK version I9000

AllGamer said:
you don't need to go to Bell to get the I9000M
you can unlock I9000M and use it with Rogers / Fido / Telus
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I know that, but I prefer the design of the captivate over the i9000.
the i9000 feels cheap and looks like an iphone.
AllGamer said:
you don't need to go to Bell to get the I9000M
the Captivate is crippled, the Vibrant is full feature just like the UK version I9000
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whats crippled on it?
the only thing I know of is the market which is easily fixed.

It doesnt have the front camera nor video calling for one

KaliKot said:
It doesnt have the front camera nor video calling for one
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I don't care about video calling at all, I can't think of a single time I would use that.
I would't drop $500 on a phone just to have it feel cheap, and have everyone walk up to me saying "is that the new iphone?"

LMAO it happens to me all the time, "wow is that new iphone" then i point to the big silver samsung logo and they are like "OMG what phone is that!"

is not having the front facing camera the only difference?
can the bell version (i9000M) still flash the i9000 firmware from the US models?

I believe the captivate is also missing fm radio, not sure though.
Sent from my GT-I9000M using XDA App

Berserk87 said:
is not having the front facing camera the only difference?
can the bell version (i9000M) still flash the i9000 firmware from the US models?
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there are no USA i9000 models
there are UK i9000 models
all USA models are not compatible with I9000M

Berserk87 said:
is not having the front facing camera the only difference?
can the bell version (i9000M) still flash the i9000 firmware from the US models?
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also the u.s. captivate models have 3g upload speed disabled..

lgkahn said:
also the u.s. captivate models have 3g upload speed disabled..
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i hope this is a Network related thing, and not a phone thing
but being ROGERS... they are more than capable
they copy everything from AT&T, unfortunately they don't copy the better price plans offered by AT&T

AllGamer said:
i hope this is a Network related thing, and not a phone thing
but being ROGERS... they are more than capable
they copy everything from AT&T, unfortunately they don't copy the better price plans offered by AT&T
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no we know it is a phone related thing i read some of the threads on it when i was thinking of getting one.. they worked around it with alternate kernels from i9000 but then the rotation and buttons were hosed up.. dont remember if they ever totally worked around it.. i think maybe with a custom kernel

wow! that explains a lot why the I9000M version is so popular down in the south

knowing Rogers they will have Samsung Lock down the phone so its hard to do anything with.. like root. try different roms.

diffrence between this and the i9000 galaxy S?

hey guys
just wondering what the diffrence is between the galaxy S fascinate and the galaxy S i9000 is?
i cant find any direct comparisons.
can anyone please help me?

The i9000 is a GSM phone. Fascinate is a CDMA phone.

The i9000 also has an FM radio, we don't

Kevin Gossett said:
The i9000 is a GSM phone. Fascinate is a CDMA phone.
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what does that mean? can i still use one here in australia? was thinking of buying one of these, its NextG compatible to, which is what i want.
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The i9000 also has an FM radio, we don't
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i dont care for radios so no big deal there

i9000 has a Front-Facing camera I believe.

From a bit of research (i.e. Googling ) it would appear that Australia's CDMA network was shut down in 2008, and the GSM network became the only option. A CDMA-only phone won't work on a GSM network, and vice-versa. There are a few phones that support both CDMA and GSM (such as the Droid 2 Global), but most only support one or the other. It would appear that the Fascinate would be pretty much useless in Australia, although the i9000 should work fine if it uses the same set of frequencies as they use there.

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i9000 has a Front-Facing camera I believe.
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yeah mine has a front facing camera, reason i want one is my galaxy S isn't NextG so its slow as **** on the internet, i want a NextG one but the fascinate is the only one they have on stick
it says network is GSM to ??
http://www.smoothmobiles.com.au/samsung-fascinate-nextg.html

aussiesausage said:
yeah mine has a front facing camera, reason i want one is my galaxy S isn't NextG so its slow as **** on the internet, i want a NextG one but the fascinate is the only one they have on stick
it says network is GSM to ??
http://www.smoothmobiles.com.au/samsung-fascinate-nextg.html
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The Fascinate is a CDMA phone. In the US, it's sold on Verizon Wireless. It has 384 MB of RAM in exchange for larger internal storage and camera flash. The Epic is a CDMA phone. It's arguably the best out of all of the US variants. It has a slide-out keyboard and six-axis accelerometer and Front-Facing camera and 5MP camera with single-LED flash. It's sold on Sprint. The Vibrant is closes to the original i9000. It's basically the same except that it has no front-facing camera (although the space to add one is still there) and it has 4 capacitive buttons on the front instead of the original 2. It's GSM. The Captivate is the same as the Vibrant except it's sold on AT&T and, by default, can't sideload applications because of AT&T's stupid restrictions.

The only differences are as many before me have said : Its a CDMA phone, It lacks a front facing camera, and It doesn't have the same amount of internal storage as the i9000 (we do still have 512 megs of RAM, the system only makes 3 something available to android like with all of the S variants). In your situation though it sounds like you'd be better off with an i909. Its basically the 9000 with both CDMA and GSM support but its only for the Chinese market so it may be a bit hard to come across (Ive been hunting for one for the longest myslf to no avail)

What about the Samsung Captivate?
If i got one of them would i be going from good to worse if i sell my Galaxy S i9000?
Really want a NextG and can get a Captivate for $599 ( NextG version )

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Samsung had a gsm model on the market. Isn't that what TelUs in Canada uses?
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CDMA only works in the US. GSM is global. So don't worry about the features. make sure the device works on your network FIRST

If it's being sold in Aus it's probably the Telus Fascinate. OP, is the model # T959D (Telus) or i500 (Verizon)?
Both the Telus Fascinate and the AT&T/Rogers Captivate are GSM phones with the 850 band used for 3g down under. Only the Telus has HSUPA, though, so it may be slightly faster.

takylo said:
CDMA only works in the US. GSM is global. So don't worry about the features. make sure the device works on your network FIRST
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Not true. CDMA is in the US, Canada, and several countries around the world including Japan and even Australia, up until 2008.
However, with CDMA, there is no SIM card to switch and it's a ***** to switch networks and take your phone with you unless the new network doesn't care if you bring outside phones.

ok just called them up and its the TelUS version, so its the GSM version, and NextG will work
fascinate a good pick then after i sell my i9000?
also, they are trying to tell me this phone now
http://www.mobicity.com.au/samsung-vibrant-galaxy-s-16gb.html
is that good after selling my i9000?

Uh, no. The Bell Vibrant (i9000m) would be ok, but that's the T mo one which has different and incompatible bands.

s44 said:
Uh, no. The Bell Vibrant (i9000m) would be ok, but that's the T mo one which has different and incompatible bands.
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it says GSM 850 which is telstra NextG
my god this mobile **** is pee-ing me off, its so hard

No it doesn't: look at the fine print at the link.
Just get the Telus.

The tmobile vibrant does in-fact support the 850 band when its unlocked (just search for tmobile vibrant on AT&T because I cant link it) so either model works
Edit: Or not i suffered from foot in mouth syndrome it only supports the 1900 band

Hitokiri24 said:
The tmobile vibrant does in-fact support the 850 band when its unlocked (just search for tmobile vibrant on AT&T because I cant link it) so either model works
Edit: Or not i suffered from foot in mouth syndrome it only supports the 1900 band
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You can unlock it yourself. There are apps on and off the market that will do it for you. Also, the T-Mobile version supports both T-Mobile's and AT&T's 3G frequencies.

Samsung Galaxy S2.. on at&t!

This just in:
Original news link:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/13/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-hits-the-fcc-potentially-ready-for-atandt-3g/
FCC Link:
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...e=N&application_id=273771&fcc_id='A3LGTI9100'
I'd be really happy if it does come on at&t bands because all of Canadia works on the same bands

that doesnt mean anything.. the stock sgs ii has att bands and just becuase it is going through fcc approval doesnt mean it is att requesting the approval.. could just be samsung getting it approved as it does all its phones.

Either way he can use it just fine, so it's a lot to get excited about

he could use it without fcc's approval...
also engadget was really slow this is friday's news
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gal...mode_i708_prototype_hit_the_fcc-news-2412.php
what did you think? ffc doesn't work on sundays

Well I for one happy about this.
I held out for waiting for the atrix, but in the end it just wasn't enough for me. I have a captivate and have enjoyed having it rooted and running froyo way before AT&T and sammy got off their ass.

i fully expect the s2 to have all the same bands that the galaxy s1 had, and the omnia hd also had, the same quadband coverage, dont expect anything to change here. because they are the most widely used bands, perfect for an international model.

Oh man, this is getting harder and harder.
Is going to be either SGS2 or iP5.
So difficult.

i still believe S2 will be compatible to all providers, like S1,,
make the base of fight with ip5,,
using tegra2 to ensure the quantity for sale ,, which makes sense.

This was known for a while now, that the Galaxy S 2 wwould work on ATT 3G bands. What is not known is whether ATT will pick up the phone or not.
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They would be fools not to pick it up.
Phones are just bait to get and keep subscribers. The phone should be a great device.

If this is a AT&T only phone, there is no justice in the world.

The international version works on AT&T.
Even if some US Carriers carry it, it will suck in comparison. Look at the Captivate/Vibrant compared to the i9000.

Yeah, that is true.
If AT&T does get they will probably request that sammy retard the phone some how. Like taking away some of the radios or no front facing camera.
I'm hoping they wont do that this time, but they probably will find some way to screw it up.

Agreed! I won't ever buy a AT&T retarded phone again, if there is an international one available I will pay extra for it. Like the Captivate vs i9000.

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that doesnt mean anything.. the stock sgs ii has att bands and just becuase it is going through fcc approval doesnt mean it is att requesting the approval.. could just be samsung getting it approved as it does all its phones.
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vista1984 said:
i still believe S2 will be compatible to all providers, like S1,,
make the base of fight with ip5,,
using tegra2 to ensure the quantity for sale ,, which makes sense.
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I completely understand if you guys didn't dig into FCC documents to read what they said, I don't blame you, but just to clarify, the device passed is an 850/1900 ONLY phone, meaning it can only be for AT&T or Canadian carriers.
Other versions will likely be released, but the version that passed FCC is not going to work on other US carriers.
MikeyMike01 said:
The international version works on AT&T.
Even if some US Carriers carry it, it will suck in comparison. Look at the Captivate/Vibrant compared to the i9000.
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We'll have to see if they strip out features again. FFC is a must, and I don't think they'll strip that out. I think they took that out last time because the network wasn't ready for video calling. They wanted HSPA+ prior to letting people use video calling. Other phones AT&T sells have an FFC now, so I don't think the SGS2 will be any different.
Other than that, what, FM radio and no HSUPA? AT&T SAYS they are going to start rolling out HSUPA, we'll see, if not I'm sure a radio swap with an international version will work again. And FM radio would be a nice addition, but I certainly won't make a decision on a phone over it. I can always use TuneIn and iheartradio if I really want to listen to my ****ty local stations. Oh, and a flash on the camera. That one actually may sway my decision to buy it if they don't include a flash. That was one of the stupidest things I've seen, but I found that I don't care about flash for pictures as much as I do for a flashlight. Most cell phone pictures taken with flash look like crap anyway.
I would go for an international version if they were at least somewhat reasonable in price, but I'm not paying $700-800+ USD for an international version.
Anyway, I hope they will hurry up. I have an upgrade that I'm itching to use!

AJerman said:
I would go for an international version if they were at least somewhat reasonable in price, but I'm not paying $700-800+ USD for an international version.
Anyway, I hope they will hurry up. I have an upgrade that I'm itching to use!
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Why not? Use your upgrade + $199 to buy an Iphone5, sell it for ~$600, pay <$300 out-of-pocket for the international version. The latest details are $700 and a May date from the other thread.

madgraph said:
Why not? Use your upgrade + $199 to buy an Iphone5, sell it for ~$600, pay <$300 out-of-pocket for the international version. The latest details are $700 and a May date from the other thread.
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Because I don't want to spend that much on a phone right now. I just bought an iPad 2 as my latest toy, so I have to limit myself. Depending on the cost on AT&T, I'm up for upgrade price plus $50 off. If it hits a $200 price point again I can probably get it for $150. We don't even know what will be different between the two yet.

AJerman said:
I just bought an iPad 2 as my latest toy,
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I'm sorry.
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But will the international version allow us to have HSPA+ on ATT? Or just 3G?

andrew53517 said:
But will the international version allow us to have HSPA+ on ATT? Or just 3G?
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HSPA+, fully unlocked