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Since HTC/Sprint released a new ROM - how long will it be before somebody releases a custom/cooked/optimized ROM? Has there been any work done in that direction yet?
zelet said:
Since HTC/Sprint released a new ROM - how long will it be before somebody releases a custom/cooked/optimized ROM? Has there been any work done in that direction yet?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=318038
Progress is being made! I wish I could help, but I'm not that good at cooking sweet ROMs. I'll just be patient and wait for the good stuff to come. It's only a matter of time
im sorry i know this is probably the stupidest question ever and some of you all thinkin damn whats he doin on these forums but i like learnig new things whats a ROM? sorry....
raidens330ci said:
im sorry i know this is probably the stupidest question ever and some of you all thinkin damn whats he doin on these forums but i like learnig new things whats a ROM? sorry....
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Hehe, he all have to start somewhere right?
An easy way to explain it is if you think of your device as a regular home computer. A "ROM" would be a piece of software that includes the operating system, drivers, and can include added applications. Basic, but do you follow?
kinda like emulators and roms? like a N64 emulator and it plays N64 ROMS.. ROMS are the games..? the games (APPS((roms) and the cell(titan((emulator))
raidens330ci said:
kinda like emulators and roms? like a N64 emulator and it plays N64 ROMS.. ROMS are the games..? the games (APPS((roms) and the cell(titan((emulator))
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Well, no, not exactly. That would imply that your device is somehow emulating an OS within an existing OS.
The ROM is "package of sotware", including a "native" Windows CE OS and drivers/software for your specific device.
Without a ROM, your phone would be inoperable. It would be like having a computer with an empty hard drive.
ohhh ok gotcha so why are people tryin to change up the rom? what are they tryin to do cuz the only thing i plan on doin when i get the mogul is getin the Iphone theme lol but if there addin cool stuff i would def be interested
raidens330ci said:
ohhh ok gotcha so why are people tryin to change up the rom? what are they tryin to do cuz the only thing i plan on doin when i get the mogul is getin the Iphone theme lol but if there addin cool stuff i would def be interested
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That's a question with about a hundred different answers.
Primarily, people change around or "cook" ROMs to make their device better. This can include, making it run faster, lighter (less bloatware), more stable, etc.
Also, for some devices that can support it, stepping up the OS is another reason. For example, you may buy a phone that was purchased running Windows Mobile 5. But after some time Windows Mobile 6 was released on other, similar phones. So, some developers or "chefs" on this site take basically an image of the updated OS from one phone, tweaks it, adds some things, takes away others, and voila! A phone with an updated OS, running better than ever.
sweet something to look forward to especially since im puttin the iphone theme on my phone and thats takes alot of memory to run
Well people. We've released AP4.0 and everyone is trying it out.
What we want to try next is Android.
Keep your eyes open. We're going to start putting things together for this project soon.
good job seeing my post 15015 years ago people!
=p
ltxda just likes to steal my thunder =p
ltxda said:
Well people. We've released AP4.0 and everyone is trying it out.
What we want to try next is Android.
Keep your eyes open. We're going to start putting things together for this project soon.
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What about the vanilla AP4 that does not require repartitioning?
eaglesteve said:
What about the vanilla AP4 that does not require repartitioning?
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OFF TOPIC ALERT....OFF TOPIC ALERT!!!!
It should not require the new SPL. Final determination will be posted upon release of course.
boinger66 said:
good job seeing my post 15015 years ago people!
=p
ltxda just likes to steal my thunder =p
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LOL!
Hey I don't even think I ready your post...but glad you're part of the team, so don't complain!
Anyhow, we have some resources and not just an idea.
How do u think do this?
Will i need to flash my device new?
When it is so, for me -1
When i can have AP4 and Android TOGETER on one device +1
crazy cat said:
How do u think do this?
Will i need to flash my device new?
When it is so, for me -1
When i can have AP4 and Android TOGETER on one device +1
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Should be able to run both on your device but not at the same time.
Multi-boot or liveCD ISO concept desired
Guys,
It would be great to have both PK 4.0 and Andriod working at the same time in either a multi-boot scenario, or in a vm / overlay based solution. If we could launch the Andriod solution from miniSD or ext rom, that would be awesome. Especially for the 1.0 versions. Later 2.0 or stronger could completely replace a PK based ROM, if we had all of the tools and applications ported over to support andriod as a daily user / solution.
I know that these thoughts may seem a bit different that what was mentioned in the past, but I think that they would allow for better acceptance and utility until the Andriod solution picks up more steam and acceptance amonst the community...
There are also some WM based applications that I wouldn't want to loose or to have to port over at this time.
Hope this helps,
Bob
ltxda said:
Well people. We've released AP4.0 and everyone is trying it out.
What we want to try next is Android.
Keep your eyes open. We're going to start putting things together for this project soon.
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Go A-Team! haha
I had to go and find out just what android was but now I know, I think it is excellent and has oodles of potential
ltxda said:
Should be able to run both on your device but not at the same time.
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This sounds good!
When you can create a "Bootloader - screen" where i can select, wat OS i want use i vote +1!
There atleast is a definate potential for a bootloader piece like the pc has of lilo or grub for the ppc it will all be determined based on what we can create and develop
Hi
I mentioned once before that android could be cool
It would be great
Perfect idea! I you need testers let me know! Two OS versions on a machine AP4 and Android, whats next?
QAN said:
Perfect idea! I you need testers let me know! Two OS versions on a machine AP4 and Android, whats next?
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iphone port
Great idea
What is this? The enterprise.... Go where no man has gone before I I captain ltxda
linux would be a good idea also
scopy60 said:
linux would be a good idea also
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Qtopia is beginning to appear on one or two devices, main problem it appears is secrecy from HTC on some of their hardware from what I understand. But htc are supposed to be involved in android, so it should be a bit easier..
scopy60 said:
linux would be a good idea also
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android is based on linux i believe
bob_beringer said:
Guys,
It would be great to have both PK 4.0 and Andriod working at the same time in either a multi-boot scenario, or in a vm / overlay based solution. If we could launch the Andriod solution from miniSD or ext rom, that would be awesome. Especially for the 1.0 versions. Later 2.0 or stronger could completely replace a PK based ROM, if we had all of the tools and applications ported over to support andriod as a daily user / solution.
I know that these thoughts may seem a bit different that what was mentioned in the past, but I think that they would allow for better acceptance and utility until the Andriod solution picks up more steam and acceptance amonst the community...
There are also some WM based applications that I wouldn't want to loose or to have to port over at this time.
Hope this helps,
Bob
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It will be released so WM is preserved and you will be able to boot to Android then go back to WM. Not sure of all the specifics yet as those will be worked out. Great minds think alike.
Polaris has potential, I know!
This is my first thread so don't go rough on me.
All this is about an idea, about a dream, about the future.
I wish there could be something we could all do to save our little Polaris's lives from the trash bin.
Wouldn't it be nice!?!
I suggest 5 things!
And i would need some hardcore programmers to be working on this..
Yes, for crying out loud, I am calling for Bepe, Olipro, Vivi, Udk, Pawel062, cmonex, misar, faria, tadzio, pof.. There are a lot of you guys. And really as far as I know you know what you are doing!
I am using Bepe's rom at the moment.. (bepe an update maybe?)
SO!!!!
YEA!!!
THE FOUR MAGICAL THINGS WE ALL NEED:
PROPER Graphics support - Coming in june with the Diamond i suppose.
Or if you are smart enough see how it
works in core player 1.2.4 and take it out.
PROPER Eased up system - I mean roms with all tweaks and tricks
+ make them empty, like totally empty!
PROPER List of applications - To show everything that is available for the
TC, Also more settings availability (up until
how big the application icons must be)
PROPER OVERCLOCK - What no one thought about this one?!?
PROPER Launcher - I have got one in mind, I can try to do it in
flash version, yet i'll need you guys to
program it for pocket PCs out there.
MAYBE THIS THREAD IS NEVER TO BE DISCOVERED
YET I BELIEVE THERE ARE LOADS OF OTHERS WHO
WANT TO START THE SAME THREAD!!!
Drivers+Easy System+Overclock= KILLING COOL EXPERIENCE
All the software choice, will help you decide what you really
want from the device.
I've got ideas.
I need help.
Post me a personal message to get my skype and other stuff.
Update: Changed the fonts.. not so big now..
Lot's of big fonts and requests from someone who doesn't appear to understand much about why his some of these requests can't be fulfilled.
Out of interest tcfanboy, how much cash are you willing to gift to people you've mentioned to do all this work for you?
I am not planning to sell this product, so there is no cash in this for me.
I am just saying i can contribute, i wish others could too..
I just like to have my device working, don't you?
don't be a pessimist.
I'm just tying to help.
If you don't like it, you can ignore it.
Big fonts are there to stand out. But yea i guess they are too big.
I know nothing about programming on a device such as a pocket pocket pc.
But i can program in pascal, delfi, and i am currently getting hold of c++..
I am not a lamer if that's what you are saying. I just need guidance.
Will you be of help?
People here are trying there best taking apart other devices and putting their codes into other. How about a new level?
how about writing the codes ourselves.
Just asking you if there is there a tutorial online? The one every beginner has read.
hey tcfanboy, thanks for the poll, u've got a point here but: u see all this work that the ppc wizes are doing is voluntary and asking them for stuff that they already know abt its not the best idea(my opinion). I'm sure they're doing their best to provide all of us with good roms and various improvements but they're not receiving any help from the company that was supposed to do all this work: HTC !
Anyway, HTC announced that they will release some sort of update in this month or next one for the devices with Q7xxx chips that will provide some sort of fix for the current issues but they didn't specify what exactly will the update do. And its not surprising considering they don't even admit they've got a problem with the video acceleration
I'm definitely looking forward to see your list of requests integrated in a rom and I'm sure sooner or later it will happen. Thanks to every1 working on any improvements!
according to an o2 germany insider at ppc-welt.info, there can not be software driver update, since this is software code on core-level, wich cant be solved by flashing a rom
greet, qoka
qoka said:
according to an o2 germany insider at ppc-welt.info, there can not be software driver update, since this is software code on core-level, wich cant be solved by flashing a rom
greet, qoka
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sooooo, it will be a new rom ?
Ohyeah, but is in WM6.1 a Videodriver??? That´s the QUESTION !
We see, when it´s da, lach
starchildx said:
sooooo, it will be a new rom ?
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there will be an update that fixes something that htc is not willing to tell in advance but it optimizes grafik performance
the hardware acceleration cant be activated afterwards, according to the o2 guy
qoka said:
there will be an update that fixes something that htc is not willing to tell in advance but it optimizes grafik performance
the hardware acceleration cant be activated afterwards, according to the o2 guy
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why ?what is the problem that can't be solved ?
tcfanboy said:
Polaris has potential, I know!
This is my first thread so don't go rough on me.
All this is about an idea, about a dream, about the future.
I wish there could be something we could all do to save our little Polaris's lives from the trash bin.
Wouldn't it be nice!?!
I suggest 5 things!
And i would need some hardcore programmers to be working on this..
Yes, for crying out loud, I am calling for Bepe, Olipro, Vivi, Udk, Pawel062, cmonex, misar, faria, tadzio, pof.. There are a lot of you guys. And really as far as I know you know what you are doing!
I am using Bepe's rom at the moment.. (bepe an update maybe?)
SO!!!!
YEA!!!
THE FOUR MAGICAL THINGS WE ALL NEED:
PROPER Graphics support - Coming in june with the Diamond i suppose.
Or if you are smart enough see how it
works in core player 1.2.4 and take it out.
PROPER Eased up system - I mean roms with all tweaks and tricks
+ make them empty, like totally empty!
PROPER List of applications - To show everything that is available for the
TC, Also more settings availability (up until
how big the application icons must be)
PROPER OVERCLOCK - What no one thought about this one?!?
PROPER Launcher - I have got one in mind, I can try to do it in
flash version, yet i'll need you guys to
program it for pocket PCs out there.
MAYBE THIS THREAD IS NEVER TO BE DISCOVERED
YET I BELIEVE THERE ARE LOADS OF OTHERS WHO
WANT TO START THE SAME THREAD!!!
Drivers+Easy System+Overclock= KILLING COOL EXPERIENCE
All the software choice, will help you decide what you really
want from the device.
I've got ideas.
I need help.
Post me a personal message to get my skype and other stuff.
Update: Changed the fonts.. not so big now..
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i might be able to contribue with a ultra lite rom. i know i said i would release a new project rom but i want to mess more with a lite rom so will release a full and lite rom tommorow. if u all dont mind me removing almost everything like camera etc.. i can definatly get something really lite made.
qoka said:
there will be an update that fixes something that htc is not willing to tell in advance but it optimizes grafik performance
the hardware acceleration cant be activated afterwards, according to the o2 guy
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acceleration can be turned on and off at any time. acceleration is nothing more than making dlls that turn on the acceleration and use it. manilla aka touchflo 3D is a example of acceleration in use. if u look at the dependencies of manilla then you will know the dlls needed for acceleration.
Manila runs on a quite different device though
The actual hardware could be disabled in the Polaris-generation through some sort of burning certain areas on the chip (some guy wrote about it in here a couple months ago) to physically destroy certain features. But giving effort to find out if that is the case by disassembling other ROMs is surely not the wrong thing to do! I guess I'll wait for some sort of fix or buy an Xperia if that one happens to arrive first
Pawel062 said:
i might be able to contribue with a ultra lite rom. i know i said i would release a new project rom but i want to mess more with a lite rom so will release a full and lite rom tommorow. if u all dont mind me removing almost everything like camera etc.. i can definatly get something really lite made.
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hey Pawel, if u'll integrate in your rom all the fixes and current improvements that vivi, pdaviet and udK have in their roms, it doesn't matter how lite the rom will be because we can always install on it the applications we want.
Pawel062 said:
acceleration can be turned on and off at any time. acceleration is nothing more than making dlls that turn on the acceleration and use it. manilla aka touchflo 3D is a example of acceleration in use. if u look at the dependencies of manilla then you will know the dlls needed for acceleration.
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I don't know much abt wm platform but working in IT gives me a bit of a tech background and I'm learning fast, please correct me if I'm wrong but I think this video acceleration problem on Polaris is not easily achievable even with the dlls from Diamond because they are built for VGA and TC is using QVGA Right?
atl4ntys said:
they are built for VGA and TC is using QVGA Right?
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This is correct. But then again a driver is a driver and the resolution shouldnt play a role. nVidia drivers work for 1920x1200 as well as they do for some 1024x768 output... It could be different though for fixed resolution devices like our mobile devices are. We'll see, we'll see, or we might switch the hardware manufacturer...
Pawel062 said:
i might be able to contribue with a ultra lite rom. i know i said i would release a new project rom but i want to mess more with a lite rom so will release a full and lite rom tommorow. if u all dont mind me removing almost everything like camera etc.. i can definatly get something really lite made.
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Really? It looks like you're making so much promises both in Polaris Project, with the Glass ROM and now here.
thx
I am glad to get some Seniors here. Thx guys. I saw this post of all the htc programs..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344544
Well.. you should add the program list of the programs in the original rom.
Downloadable links and light description of features.
Yea, I am a demandive person! Someone must be.
Btw, there is an excellent company which makes software with understandable interface. Well.. I did not necesserely buy their products.. But the name is Vito. So this is the interface which should be used. If interested in them ask me I'll provide a free link. I am from russia. It's legal here. )))
elohssanarerauoy said:
Really? It looks like you're making so much promises both in Polaris Project, with the Glass ROM and now here.
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u all asked for more than a full rom so i am making it. whats the problem in that. so i missed the deadline by one day. we all do.
Hi,
I don't know if it'll be possible but
Why all the coockers don't make a "JF updater" like ?
An apk able to track new version in the build directly ?
This way people who like haykuro, thedude, jf or cyanogen would stay up-to-date.
Just a suggestion...
I think that's an awesome idea, personally. I'm farely new to all this but I can already tell, that keeping up with all these versions is pretty time consuming. But i'm liking it so far..
dixxa said:
Hi,
I don't know if it'll be possible but
Why all the coockers don't make a "JF updater" like ?
An apk able to track new version in the build directly ?
This way people who like haykuro, thedude, jf or cyanogen would stay up-to-date.
Just a suggestion...
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It would require that the makers of JF Updater release their source code and that the cooks know how to program and change the code to search and find the files. And they have to have a centralized place where their files come from... But it's definitively doable.
DavidChill said:
I think that's an awesome idea, personally. I'm farely new to all this but I can already tell, that keeping up with all these versions is pretty time consuming. But i'm liking it so far..
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Coming from another HTC phone, keeping up with the different versions for the G1 is almost TOO easy. We need more cooks. I'd cook for it, if I could have some guidance getting started... I've taught people to cook for all kinds of HTC phones, but it was always Windows Mobile phones. With this phone, I don't feel like searching and searching and searching again from scratch to learn at a snails's pace. Especially since I'm so busy with work, school and life now a days. And I still cook for the Herald. I currently have about 3 different ROM in the works (6.1, 6.1 stripped to the bone and 6.5)
Wait... I'm talking too much.
Hi all,
Personally I still love my G1. It is the 1st Android phone so historically something that is interesting on its own.
I assume most of the G1 owners on this forum are having the same geekish interests as me and I was wondering what you are doing with the device that you concider 'cool' and can impress fellow geeks
Some things I think are impressive:
1. Having a rooted device with a custom very stable and fast Gingerbread firmware (ezgingerbread)
2. The droid2600 and Frodo C64 emulators that run great on the G1 with its keyboard.
3. Haven't done this myself yet, but seeing videos of debian run on the G1 was pretty impressive.
4. Eventhough it is probably not ready for daily use but having ICS on the G1 is amazing.
My G1 is running debian for a while now. But it mostly sits in drawer now, I just bring myself to sell it. No matter how much my wife nags at me.
Sirfearoth said:
My G1 is running debian for a while now. But it mostly sits in drawer now, I just bring myself to sell it. No matter how much my wife nags at me.
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How well does it run? I guess you can't use it as a phone if you started debian?
I am using Frayo
And I use it mainly for forums and IRC and stuff
frankdrey said:
I am using Frayo
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Running a customized rom you created yourself does belong in the 'wish I could say that' category.
Compiling programs from source does seem to be possible for the lesser educated with the scriptset smitna has created. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1444792
Not as cool as creating your own rom, but you have to start somewhere
I been using it mainly to try roms and stuff,
but every time a friend lost or have no phone, until they get a proper.
I give it to them to use it
and to try to convert them to android
so I use it for educational porposes
Im using frayo too (thanks )
tagm said:
Running a customized rom you created yourself does belong in the 'wish I could say that' category.
Compiling programs from source does seem to be possible for the lesser educated with the scriptset smitna has created. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1444792
Not as cool as creating your own rom, but you have to start somewhere
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What do you mean?
I am really honestly using Frayo....
Froyobylaszlo is /the/ best G1 ROM and I use my mod for the (few) features it adds
Did I say I used that script?
Well...no, I didn't
And I can compile a ROM on my own from source thank you very much.
I just don't really see the need anymore since froyobylaszlo is as good as it gets
And instead of working my way up from aosp, learning along the way since I don't know a lot, I decided to just mod in features I like
And no I didn't use some scripts or rom kitchen
I tried using an apk compiler and a theme kitchen thing to fix certain problems, but then I decided against it...
Also, as of now I'm stopping working on my ROM and MOD and am gonna go for some pure PC development to work on my skills
I'm not too sure what you were trying to say but that's my response
If I misunderstood you, sorry
Edit: I think I did....now I'm debating wheter I should delete the above....
Sorry
Just ignore it all...I though you were saying that I shouldn't advertise here (I'm not btw I'm actually using it to post even)
And I thought you said I used that script and didn't do anything
Well, if you want to jumpstart into rom development with modding,, just open up the rom with winrar/7zip and start looking around
And at the google source website you can find how to compile a rom
The second option may require some programming skills
frankdrey said:
Well, if you want to jumpstart into rom development with modding,, just open up the rom with winrar/7zip and start looking around
And at the google source website you can find how to compile a rom
The second option may require some programming skills
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Nice ideas. Might do some research, thx!
Was indeed giving you a compliment for your rom modding, maybe my indirect approach was not clear enough (I am not a native English speaker... that probably doesn't help as well)
tagm said:
Nice ideas. Might do some research, thx!
Was indeed giving you a compliment for your rom modding, maybe my indirect approach was not clear enough (I am not a native English speaker... that probably doesn't help as well)
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Oh ok thanks
Sorry bout that...http://forums.androidcentral.com/hacking/6037-general-rom-faq.html
This is very useful
Go to "building a rom"
Idk if the link works, its been strange for me, so just scroll down to it
Whenever you edit a rom, you have to sign it...
That link has the files and directions
Also,
I've just had fun experimenting with my G1. I didn't root it myself, but I have learned a lot since I got it. I ran through about 10 or 15 different roms until I found one that I like personally (Ginger yoshi) and customized it the way I wanted. I think the coolest thing that I did on it running a SNES emulator (although I only did it once because of ridiculous lag). I started toying around with DOS box but that didn't go anywhere. I wasn't able to do much with it because it is my primary phone and it got extremely annoying to have to fix it every time I messed something up.
Anyway, it was tons of fun... then it broke :'( And now I'm getting my friend to give me his for free! and the fun will continue.