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Bad Seed Customs 3D HD Flip Clocks!! by stoney 666

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CLOCKS ON 1ST AND 2ND POST ARE HD SENSE CLOCKS FOR SENSE ROMS ONLY! THEY WILL NOT WORK ON ANY OTHER ROM! ROM MUST BE DEODEXED! FLASH ZIP THROUGH RECOVERY LIKE A ROM!!!
CLOCKS ON 3RD POST ARE NOT FLASHABLE ZIPS. THESE ARE FANCY WIDGET CLOCKS FOUND IN THE MARKET MODIFIED BY ME. THESE ARE FOR ROMS NOT RUNNING SENSE OR SENSE ROMS RUNNING LAUNCHER PRO!!! THESE ARE TO BE INSTALLED LIKE ANY OTHER APP, THROUGH ASTRO OR ROOT EXPLORER OR ANY OTHER APP INSTALING APLICATION!!!
IF NONE OF THIS MAKES SENSE TO YOU (NO PUNN) THEN YOU SHOULD PROBABLY READ UP ON ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON IN THE WORLD OF "HAVING ROOT" BEFORE CUSTOMIZING YOUR PHONE!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!
FOR ALL REQUEST, I NEED TO KNOW WHETHER YOU WANT A FLIP SENSE, NON FLIP SENSE OR FANCY WIDGET FOR NON SENSE LAUNCHERS AND ROMS... THANK YOU!!!!
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FIRST OF ALL... SUPER SPECIAL THANX TO SLAYER69 FOR HIS INTEREST AND HIS HELP ON MY 3D HD FLIP CLOCK!!!! THIS DUDE IS F#$KIN AWESOME!!
Also thanx to NCX Designs for his pointers and insperation. And a special thanx to whoever it was that made the original port from the HD desire. (sorry, don't remember who!) And incdoes for the whole HD desire port.... and of course to incubus26jc for all his help!
DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS A KNOWN ISSUE WITH MODIFIED HD FLIP CLOCKS BUT I FOUND OUT THE HARD WAY,
WHEN FLASHING ONE OF MY CLOCKS, OR ANY CUSTOM FLIP CLOCK FROM ANYBODY ELSE, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR OLD CLOCK UP ON YOUR HOME SREEN. DO NOT REMOVE WIDGET FROM SCREEN, THEN FLASH THE NEW ONE!!! IT WONT APPEAR!!! TRYING TO ADD STOCK CLOCK WILL NOT WORK EITHER IF YOU COME ACROSS THIS PROBLEM. YOU WILL HAVE TO RE-FLASH YOUR ROM TO GET IT BACK (THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I WAS ABLE TO GET IT BACK. MAYBE SOMEONE KNOWS A EASIER WAY.) THANK YOU AND ENJOY THESE KICK ASS CLOCKS!!!!
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THANX TO aamikam FOR THE HOOK UP ON MAKING 4X5 WIDGETS! SINCE I HAVENT HAD ANY REQUEST FOR THESE DEMENTIONS, I WILL ONLY MAKE THEM UPON REQUEST. ONCE I GET ENOUGH REQUEST, I WILL START POSTING DOWNLOAD LINKS FOR THEM.....
http://bit.ly/dEeGne
http://bit.ly/eOsPaW
http://bit.ly/fTEmtB
http://bit.ly/gLwH42
http://bit.ly/f77tcs
http://bit.ly/e3x8vg
http://bit.ly/gKNwJU
http://bit.ly/fHFfXp
http://bit.ly/h5bVBW (4x5 http://bit.ly/eSvyhV)
http://bit.ly/huND3m (4x5 http://bit.ly/ghdDpp)
http://bit.ly/f3CcCh
http://bit.ly/dEIO6u
http://bit.ly/e4pP2p
http://bit.ly/fHkIfN
http://bit.ly/eu73tJ
http://bit.ly/gWdgEP (4x5 http://bit.ly/f5rs1u) (4x5 no base http://bit.ly/fOrdT8)
http://bit.ly/eTELL7
http://bit.ly/hQkUMH
http://bit.ly/id0zkl
http://bit.ly/hpMRmc
http://bit.ly/eZ7phR
http://bit.ly/eoYDBI
http://bit.ly/f1ZPzV
http://bit.ly/exqUGp
These carbon clocks are originaly from carbonite fusion rom by trock79. he gets credit for the grafx, i just modded them to my design. check out his rom, looks sick!! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=869948
http://bit.ly/gPtv4t (4x5 http://bit.ly/e5BB0G)
http://bit.ly/hxuXXE (4x5 http://bit.ly/hUW9Pa)
Any of the 3D flip clock designs will be available in a non flip clock upon request. I know some dont like the flip feature so i will try to keep everyone happy, cuz that's just the type of guy I am!!
These are 2D flip clocks
http://bit.ly/glpHOC
will post image soon
http://bit.ly/gV0ZuL
http://bit.ly/fRWTu8

Non Flip Clocks....
http://bit.ly/h4TH4d
http://bit.ly/dRfJ8U
http://bit.ly/ikmatf
http://bit.ly/hcgkQM
http://bit.ly/gHSNAu
http://bit.ly/i5f7We
NEW!!! INSPIRED BY MYN'S DARK TRANSPARENT THEME... ANY COLOR OUTLINE UPON REQUEST. OR NO OUTLINE...
http://bit.ly/gaREDS
http://bit.ly/fXMkWU
will post image soon
http://bit.ly/gSm7K5
will post image soon
http://bit.ly/epwK7R
http://bit.ly/dV7cjh
http://bit.ly/gxNIcw
http://bit.ly/hs8sVz (the 7 looks a little smaller than the rest but has been fixed.)

Fancy Widget Clocks for non sense roms
Here are the modded fancy widget clocks for all to use with any rom!!!! these do not flip but still keep the same 3D design. In order to keep me from getting stuck to my laptop, i will be filling this post with links as request come in. any of the hd designs will be available.
THESE ARE NOT FLASHABLE ZIPS!!! THESE ARE APPS TO BE INSTALLED WITH ASTRO, ROOT EXPLORER OR ANY APP INSTALATION APPLICATION!!!!! PLACE IN SDCARD AND INSTALL WITH ONE OF THE MENTIONED INSTALATION APPS.
http://bit.ly/gRxbSy
http://bit.ly/ed9Uug
http://bit.ly/hMOZLv
http://bit.ly/fSnB5T
http://bit.ly/gcv4ry
http://bit.ly/fvfhU0
http://bit.ly/hnWSzq
http://bit.ly/dGQwg7
http://bit.ly/gD8FTp
http://bit.ly/huUP44
By popular demand... Dusk Fancy widget
http://bit.ly/hIw19j

Does this work on gingerbread
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

faddys123 said:
Does this work on gingerbread
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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For any non sense roms, use the ones in the 3rd post. If there is a design you like that's not on the 3rd post, I will make it for you.
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We're the ones your mom warned you about.... Bad Seed Customs!!!

Will they flip?
Stoney 666 said:
For any non sense roms, use the ones in the 3rd post. If there is a design you like that's not on the 3rd post, I will make it for you.
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We're the ones your mom warned you about.... Bad Seed Customs!!!
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faddys123 said:
Will they flip?
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nope... the only ones that flip are the sense hd flip clocks on the first post.

4 new clocks
1st and 2nd posts.....
http://bit.ly/gKNwJU
http://bit.ly/fHFfXp
http://bit.ly/h4TH4d
http://bit.ly/dRfJ8U

Bump.... not to excited about these, eh? I'll delete post after a couple of more bumps if it doesnt pick up i guess.....

Holy smoke these are amazing! You will get the props you want and deserve soon!
Thanks.
P.s. Don't delete them. This is great work!

esk02k said:
Holy smoke these are amazing! You will get the props you want and deserve soon!
Thanks.
P.s. Don't delete them. This is great work!
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Thank you homie! Not looking to get props, just feedback, comments, likes, dislikes. you know, something to let me know whether its worth running another thread. Already balancing 9 other threads.

first of all, great job! great to see the flip clocks working perfectly on 2.2 roms (im running leedroid 2.3d). however, i do have one request. it's if you could possibly make a flip clock that looks exactly like the stock one. the "stock" one you have right now is good, but id love one that had the dark-ish background. thanks and keep up the good work!

Stoney 666 said:
Thank you homie! Not looking to get props, just feedback, comments, likes, dislikes. you know, something to let me know whether its worth running another thread. Already balancing 9 other threads.
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Cool well I'm gonna try some of these bad boys out
And I'll let you know what I think. 9 threads! Damn.
I checked your theme out, it looks hot too!

kino1122 said:
first of all, great job! great to see the flip clocks working perfectly on 2.2 roms (im running leedroid 2.3d). however, i do have one request. it's if you could possibly make a flip clock that looks exactly like the stock one. the "stock" one you have right now is good, but id love one that had the dark-ish background. thanks and keep up the good work!
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try this one, i'm pretty sure this is the stock clock. i usually keep a screen shot along with the clock zips so i know which clock it is here on my pc, but since i don't post the stock one, i don't have a screen shot to reference. if thats not it, i'll get it today, just let me know....
View attachment HtcClockWidget-stockwhite_flip.zip

Stoney 666 said:
try this one, i'm pretty sure this is the stock clock. i usually keep a screen shot along with the clock zips so i know which clock it is here on my pc, but since i don't post the stock one, i don't have a screen shot to reference. if thats not it, i'll get it today, just let me know....
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yes this is the stock clock i am looking for. thanks a lot!

Loved all of them!
Especially the wooden one!
Great job!!!

manosgk80 said:
Loved all of them!
Especially the wooden one!
Great job!!!
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HAHAHA That's funny cuz the only reason i posted it was cuz my lady dared me to... when i first made it.... it was more like a gag clock for my lady....
glad you like it!!!!

Hello Stoney,
The clocks are great, however there is something wrong with the links. I wanted to install the white clock without base (#16 in post 1 - http://bit.ly/fOrdT8) but what I am getting is a red clock like #10.
Please advise.
Cheers,
DonBartal
ps.: running AuraxTsense 8.3, and I wiped the davlik after installing the zip from recovery.

DonBartal said:
Hello Stoney,
The clocks are great, however there is something wrong with the links. I wanted to install the white clock without base (#16 in post 1 - http://bit.ly/fOrdT8) but what I am getting is a red clock like #10.
Please advise.
Cheers,
DonBartal
ps.: running AuraxTsense 8.3, and I wiped the davlik after installing the zip from recovery.
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Sorry about that! that's weird Cuz these links have never changed and I've never heard of this before. I'll check it out ASAP.
Edit.... OK, I haven't checked out the links yet but I noticed the link you posted here is for the no base 4x5 clock. You do need to have a 4×5 layout fir this clock. If you don't have the 4×5 Rosie layout, I will make the no base in the normal 4×4 layout for you. I still need to check the link messup though....
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Yup.... The ones yoe momma told ya about.... Bad Seed Customs!!

installed the stock flipclock and its working amazing. thx so much 4 improving leedroid even more

Evolution of a CM fan.

I suppose this one is for the folks that are new to rooting and custom ROMs in general. I should say from the start that I am NOT a developer. Just a flashaholic.
I started out as a big fan of HTC's sense UI. I still appreciate the spit and polish of the little details in their work and will flash a Sense based ROM just to have my FriendStream widget back for a day or two. The visual appeal is still a few steps ahead of the AOSP ROMs that are available. Sense is also easy to customize, for the parts that can be customized. HTC offers a fairly good variety of stuff and in my experience most of the apps that make your phone "prettier" are compatible with my Evo.
Things started to change for me the first time I tried out a MIUI ROM. I was astounded to find out the number of things that my phone was capable of that Sense either locked out or simply could not integrate successfully. I got frustrated with the bugs in the version of MIUI I was using at the time pretty quickly and bounced back over to another Sense ROM. It took about 48 hours before I was so annoyed with the lack of user discretion in actual system settings that I hopped back over to that Friday's release of MIUI. I like that ROM in the overall for the ease of flashing. Just download, wipe, flash and voila! You're ready to go. What I didn't like was the amount of infighting and chaos that the American team seemed to be struggling through. This does seem to have been resolved. Now I just want to see them iron out a few wrinkles caused by the leap to GingerBread.
I do want to mention here that I still have the utmost respect for the people who bring us MIUI every week. Thank you to Stiffspliff, who brings a fresh port to our Evos every weekend, and usually less than 24 hours after the Chinese team releases it!
That being said, I looked at flashing a Cyanogen ROM and at the time was frankly intimidated by what was needed to flash it. Initially I couldn't even figure out the difference between Stable, Nighly, Release Candidate and Experimental. So, again, back to Sense for a while and yet more reading. It should mentioned for the sake of the new folks reading this that I have done, and will continue to do, a TON of reading. I spent six months just lurking here at XDA before I tried rooting and still needed help on IRC. Many thanks to Eyeballer over there for getting me through that process. Once I had enough confidence flashing different ROMs I finally gave Cyanogen a shot and was truly bummed at the lack of "bling". So I flashed back almost immediately. Curiosity is what made me want to try another CM ROM. What I didn't know at the time was that Cyanogen truly shines under the skin. It finally made sense (no pun intended) when a senior member here made the comment that Sense was just dead-weight on what is already an incredibly efficient OS. The number and variety of elements that can be modified to an individuals tastes and needs is mind blowing. With the bug fixes that came out with 7.0.2 today there is very little about Sense that draws me back. Like I said at the top, my FriendStream widget is all I really miss, since Facebook's widget stinks. And I am still having trouble getting my Visual Voice Mail working, but I think that has more to do with my lack of knowledge than any inherent problems with Cyanogen. (Yes, I have tried the fixes posted here but I'm probably missing something obvious.)
In summary, in my long-winded sort of way, what brought me to Cyanogen was wanting to have access to the full capabilities of my phone, not just what HTC thought we should have. I do still like Sense and am interested to see what kind of improvements are coming down the pipe. However, if those improvements aren't absolutely exceptional I'll be sticking to Cyanogen ROMs as my daily driver.
Before anyone gets all hot and bothered I should also say that I know these Opinions are not universal. There are a number of experienced and talented devs who prefer Sense ROMs. This is just me sharing my experiences for people who are on the fence about trying out a ROM that is more AOSP than not. The great thing about the community here at XDA is that you have a huge variety of well supported ROMs to choose from. So if you haven't already, give Cyanogen a shot. If you don't like it, pick a different one and flash away! I would also like to hear about anyone else's opinions or experiences on the subject.

I agree, cm7 rocks

CM7 is definitely an incredible ROM and, as you mentioned, the seemingly endless amount of settings makes it difficult to use any other ROM. One of my favorite features is the long press volume up or down to change a song, I use this feature so much and no other ROM has this option. As far as VVM and FriendStream, try google voice and Launcher Pro paid. Launcher Pro mimics the calendar, friendstream, and email widgets of HTC Sense, but function slightly better.

mlin said:
CM7 is definitely an incredible ROM and, as you mentioned, the seemingly endless amount of settings makes it difficult to use any other ROM. One of my favorite features is the long press volume up or down to change a song, I use this feature so much and no other ROM has this option. As far as VVM and FriendStream, try google voice and Launcher Pro paid. Launcher Pro mimics the calendar, friendstream, and email widgets of HTC Sense, but function slightly better.
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Thanks for the heads-up! I have heard of LP but didn't know that it included those features. I'll give it a shot for certain.

No worries, here are a few screenshots. The widgets are themeable as well.
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mlin said:
No worries, here are a few screenshots. The widgets are themeable as well.
Firstly, Holy Smokes! Those are some serious medical terms in your agenda. Med student? Second, do you really know someone over in Hotchkiss? The only reason I ask is because I grew up there and in Paonia for a few years. Tiny town that I never would have expected to see the name of here on XDA. If I'm being nosy just tell me to mind my own business. Great sig by the way.
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Your experience almost sounds like I could have written it. I went with mostly sense roms because I really didn't ahe the tech know how to feel comfortable with the "stripped down" AOSP roms. I installed cm one day and was, well, underwhelmed with the opening screen. I then went to Myn's 5, but found that 4g didn't work. I loved Myn's roms, but hated the idea of taking a step back to get a rom that had working 4g. Philly has 4g and since I'm paying for it, I want it! Then came the announcement that cm had working 4g. I gave it a try again. This time I was more patient and read, and then read some more. I found that I like Jorte's calendar better than the sense one. Then I found out how to put the clock and weather back on the main screen. Wasn't to my liking, but I made it work. Voicemail was a problem and I went to g-voice as many have suggest. It was okay, but kludgy for me. Then I discovered youmail. Very nice. My friends really like the custom greetings that it offers. Score! The other day Amazon had fancy widgets as their free paid app of the day. Well, as far as I'm concerned that was the missing piece for my home screen. With that installed I now have animated weather and clock running from one app again. Facebook still sucks, but its certainly no reason for me to go back to sense.

Pierceye said:
mlin said:
No worries, here are a few screenshots. The widgets are themeable as well.
Firstly, Holy Smokes! Those are some serious medical terms in your agenda. Med student? Second, do you really know someone over in Hotchkiss? The only reason I ask is because I grew up there and in Paonia for a few years. Tiny town that I never would have expected to see the name of here on XDA. If I'm being nosy just tell me to mind my own business. Great sig by the way.
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Yeah, 1st year MD/PhD Student. And yeah, my wife's grandparents lived in Hotchkiss for about 10 years. My Hotchkiss friend on FB is the best friend of their youngest daughter.
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mlin said:
CM7 is definitely an incredible ROM and, as you mentioned, the seemingly endless amount of settings makes it difficult to use any other ROM. One of my favorite features is the long press volume up or down to change a song, I use this feature so much and no other ROM has this option. As far as VVM and FriendStream, try google voice and Launcher Pro paid. Launcher Pro mimics the calendar, friendstream, and email widgets of HTC Sense, but function slightly better.
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I love that feature too but it stopped working for me on my 3rd party music player.

mlin said:
No worries, here are a few screenshots. The widgets are themeable as well.
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What launcherpro theme is that?
Delivered via my CyanogenModinized Supersonic

jxr94 said:
What launcherpro theme is that?
Delivered via my CyanogenModinized Supersonic
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Signals23-XTG

m4rk0358 said:
I love that feature too but it stopped working for me on my 3rd party music player.
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What 3rd party music player do you use? I am using the MIUI music player and it still works.

Why TouchWiz 4 is better then HTC Sense 3.0 (my opinion)

I was not sure if I wanted to post this, being afraid people would think I suck or hunt me down and kill me. But since I dont have friends that are as "passionate" about smartphone's, I will take a risk and do it here lol
Why TouchWiz 4 is better then Sense 3.0
I have been thinking about this for a while. HTC Sense used to be great, I liked it a lot. The biggest reason everybody loved it was Stock Android being ugly and not complete. HTC Sense added usefull stuff to the OS.
Now that we are at version 2.3 of the OS, Gingerbread, Android has changed. It is as good as complete in terms of functionality, looks good (some people might not like the simple look, without eyecandy). It is better then before, thats for sure.
Skins are still appreciated by many people though. But I think the TouchWiz 4 UI is better at this point then HTC Sense 3.0. Why?
I think HTC Sense has become to much. When I look at the HTC Sensation I see a "heavy" skin, using RAM (I think?) much more then needed. From what I have seen scrolling between the homescreens is "choppy"/laggy, especially compared to TouchWiz 4 on the Galaxy S II. You can't change the dock shortcuts (always app drawer, phone and settings for skins, wallpapers and ringtones). All the animations are to much, slowing the device down and maybe consuming extra battery. And what good are the animations if you have that washed out screen? But that's about the Sensation, so I'm gonna get back to topic.
TouchWiz 4 adds exactly what is needed. If I look at the homescreen I see 4 shortcuts in the Dock, 1 more then stock Android. I see the possibility to have 7 homescreens, but also only 3 or 1. I see some (usefull) eyecandy with the "3D page view" slider. I see some usefull widgets that give you information on your homescreen. And a good appdrawer that is easy to organise.
So maybe I am crazy, but I think TouchWiz 4 is exactly the "light" and fast overlay Stock Android 2.3 needs. It provides some functionality (set how many homescreens you want, easy to rearrange, better organised Appdrawer) and some animations and eyecandy. But not to much. It leaves a lot of RAM alone to help us with multitasking. It stays close to the Stock Gingerbread experience but carefully adds only what is actually needed.
So, what I am curious about. Do you guys agree? I myself am really not missing HTC Sense at all and am happy with Samsung's work, imo making the stock android experience better, but not changing to much. Maybe stock android should even take some notes from this.
Well, thats it. Please dont kill me.

Sense 3.0 is a real looker and you can customize it up the wazoo, with wigets and skins and themes , but it really eats into the phones free ram memory.
See below for how much memory is left on the HTC Sensation compared to the SGS2
I was just playing though the videos to the point where them show the taskmanger on both phones and they killed all applications on both and we see how much memory was left.
HTC = total ram memory 768mb , Available 558mb , free after clear memory 185mb
GS2 = total ram memory 1024mb, Available 837mb ,free after clear memory 558mb
The Samsung GS2 has over 3 x as much free ram memory as the HTC Sensation.
That`s a lot more free ram memory for games and app designers to play with.
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your wrong and that my opinion
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Tinderbox (UK) said:
Sense 3.0 is a real looker and you can customize it up the wazoo, with wigets and skins and themes , but it really eats into the phones free ram memory.
See below for how much memory is left on the HTC Sensation compared to the SGS2
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Wow, thats all the RAM available on the Sensation? Thats really a huge difference with the Galaxy S II! This is exactly what I mean, Id rather take the TouchWiz UI with 3x more RAM available. It adds enough to make the experience fantastic.
All that free RAM > Sense overload of eyecandy and animations.

The video with the memory example is below , goto 14m15s if you want to see it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Mc4_LsNxoZY
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Wow, thats all the RAM available on the Sensation? Thats really a huge difference with the Galaxy S II! This is exactly what I mean, Id rather take the TouchWiz UI with 3x more RAM available. It adds enough to make the experience fantastic.
All that free RAM > Sense overload of eyecandy and animations.
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It's just pure nonsense what the OP is saying, when you talk about sense you really just mean rosie sens' launcher it's not heavier or lighter than other launcher but the sense experience is much more many apps and widgets, some very good ones, which you can choose to use or not when you don't have use them they don't consume resources but it's great that they are there to and you can use them because sense includes perhaps the best touchscreen, keyboard, email, sms and many great widgets and more.
When I got the sgs2. The first thing I did was go tovthe market to get equivalents of sense widgets and app, and have pay for them and they are not even as good as the stuff sense gives you for free.

Tinderbox (UK) said:
The video with the memory example is below , goto 14m15s if you want to see it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Mc4_LsNxoZY
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You can not compare these values this is not how Linux memory management works, I already told you this in another thread, and Linux aggressively caches a lot of this this memory will not show up as free but is available. Use the free command to compare.

godutch said:
It's just pure nonsense what the OP is saying, when you talk about sense you really just mean rosie sens' launcher it's not heavier or lighter than other launcher but the sense experience is much more many apps and widgets, some very good ones, which you can choose to use or not when you don't have use them they don't consume resources but it's great that they are there to and you can use them because sense includes perhaps the best touchscreen, keyboard, email, sms and many great widgets and more.
When I got the sgs2. The first thing I did was go tovthe market to get equivalents of sense widgets and app, and have pay for them and they are not even as good as the stuff sense gives you for free.
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Im just looking from a "average" users perspective. When scrolling through your homescreens on the galaxy S II is much smoother then the HTC Sensation, people will notice. I mean you use your homescreen all the time. Overall the free RAM on the Galaxy S II gives you a smooth and fast experience. Better then on the Sensation/Sense 3.0.
So basicly, I am saying Sense 3.0 is not worth all that RAM. TouchWiz gives you a lot too and doesnt sacrifice that much RAM. Thats why my preference goes to the Galaxy S II with TouchWiz 4.
edit: I forgot to mention how bad Engadget hates on Sense these days lol. When I saw their Sensation review I vouldnt believe my eyes. But its got to mean something.. They aren't some random idiots on the Internet.,HTC Sense should have a total remake. Start fresh, like Samsung did with TouchWiz 4.

Sense does have some good widgets and modifacations but I find it overbearing as a launcher. I think that the slider to go between screens is a great addition. You can go back and forth to any screen without swiping and no need to pinch to pull down the overview which requires two hands which means I never use it anyways being as I prefer to use my phone one handed. I am expecting the usual suspects such as LP, GO, ADW, to borrow that for their launchers. I have been using TW as my launcher for a while now but I have de bloated it and use strictly the launcher aspect.

XDA mark said:
Im just looking from a "average" users perspective. When scrolling through your homescreens on the galaxy S II is much smoother then the HTC Sensation, people will notice. I mean you use your homescreen all the time.
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Scrolling through homescreens is not dependent on memory but on the CPU(or GPU but android doesnt use the GPU) but I do know it's buttery smooth on my desire and on the sensation I tested in Mediamarket
So basicly, I am saying Sense 3.0 is not worth all that RAM. TouchWiz gives you a lot too and doesnt sacrifice that much RAM. Thats why my preference goes to the Galaxy S II with TouchWiz 4.
Overall the free RAM on the Galaxy S II gives you a smooth and fast experience. Better then on the Sensation/Sense 3.0.
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This has nothing to do with sense vs touchwiz but with the fact the sgs2 has 256MB of extra ram and the sgs2 is a much more powerful device in general

godutch said:
It's just pure nonsense what the OP is saying, when you talk about sense you really just mean rosie sens' launcher it's not heavier or lighter than other launcher...
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You're wrong. Go read the Sensation forum. It's a resource hog, the Sensation's light on memory, and people are saying it doesn't feel like a dual-core phone. Its actually running out of memory causing it to periodically reboot itself (Sense, not the phone). To get better performance people are turning off the animations which was kind of what made 3.0 special.
People who are new to Android or don't want to deal with having to add a bunch of crap from the market to make their phone work love Sense. Everyone else, not as much. I also agree with the OP that the problems it was designed to solve don't exist any longer. To each their own...

godutch said:
Scrolling through homescreens is not dependent on memory but on the CPU(or GPU but android doesnt use the GPU) but I do know it's buttery smooth on my desire and on the sensation I tested in Mediamarket
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Hmmm thats weird. I have seen multiple video reviews showing the Sensation being pretty choppy while scrolling. The reviewers mention that often. Now I dont know who to believe.
Yeah I just wanted to say its probably not the memory but CPU/GPU. Anyway, with the Sensations powerfull chipset I can't believe HTC Sense still hasn't got perfect smooth scrolling. Also when you look at flash performance in the browser its a notable difference.
I guess its just a personal preference. I was curious to see if people enjoy the TouchWiz UI as much as I do.

XDA mark said:
Hmmm thats weird. I have seen multiple video reviews showing the Sensation being pretty choppy while scrolling.
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Here's a comparison review from the U.S. It's not the greatest review but the reviewer glowed over the Sensation when he evaluated by itself. He echos what's being said on the Sensation forum about Sense and performance.
Part One:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc4_LsNxoZY
Part Two:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLZ7vcNVhFg

XDA mark said:
Hmmm thats weird. I have seen multiple video reviews showing the Sensation being pretty choppy while scrolling. The reviewers mention that often. Now I dont know who to believe.
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Scrolling through the app drawer is could appear choppy but this is by design, it was a feature introduced in sense 2.1, actually what it does it flips though the app drawer by page, accelerates, decelerates and than stops with a slight overshoot effect, this way you can flip through your apps and not have to scroll to much because in other launchers you accelerate to scroll but often overshoot a lot and than go back again etc until you've finally found your app

I honestly don't get this. really, really I don't. We have 2 mediocre launchers with dozen of better ones available on the market, with houndred of widgets available for free and still there are topics like this.
I saw touchwiz, I tried it, I replaced it with Go launcher EX
why ?
-lower mem consumption
-I can arrange the icons how I want
-I can make folders inside the app drawer and organize there
-If I want I can have transition effects
-gestures
-customizable dock
-missed calls/sms/mail Notifications on the dock
-I can rename shortcuts
-Smoother operation
-I can chose how the apps are sorted in the drawer
So please, someone remind me what all this is about ? Why does the touchwiz vs htc sense keep popping up ?

BarryH_GEG said:
You're wrong. Go read the Sensation forum. It's a resource hog, the Sensation's light on memory, and people are saying it doesn't feel like a dual-core phone. Its actually running out of memory causing it to periodically reboot itself (Sense, not the phone). To get better performance people are turning off the animations which was kind of what made 3.0 special.
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So and you are saying touchwiz 4 on the sensation wouldnt run out of memory because the sgs2 still has 25% more memory than the sensation and what else are these people running? And again animations don't cost ram, they cost cpu and battery

aurelm said:
So please, someone remind me what all this is about ? Why does the touchwiz vs htc sense keep popping up ?
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Because not everyone thinks like you. I used ADW on all my previous phones but I happen to like TouchWiz and am using it now. That doesn't make me right or you wrong. Hell, there are people on this forum begging devs to build a Sense 3.0 ROM for the SGS2. Different people want and expect different things. Hence the discussion.

aurelm said:
So please, someone remind me what all this is about ? Why does the touchwiz vs htc sense keep popping up ?
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Sense it really a lot more than a launcher, GO is actually very good though(all their stuff is, except for weather), I would actually run it on an HTC device

BarryH_GEG said:
Because not everyone thinks like you. I used ADW on all my previous phones but I happen to like TouchWiz and am using it now. That doesn't make me right or you wrong. Hell, there are people on this forum begging devs to build a Sense 3.0 ROM for the SGS2. Different people want and expect different things. Hence the discussion.
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I don't think I would have bought the sgs2 if the nexus/galaxy sense ports didnt exist

aurelm said:
I honestly don't get this. really, really I don't. We have 2 mediocre launchers with dozen of better ones available on the market, with houndred of widgets available for free and still there are topics like this.
I saw touchwiz, I tried it, I replaced it with Go launcher EX
why ?
-lower mem consumption
-I can arrange the icons how I want
-I can make folders inside the app drawer and organize there
-If I want I can have transition effects
-gestures
-customizable dock
-missed calls/sms/mail Notifications on the dock
-I can rename shortcuts
-Smoother operation
-I can chose how the apps are sorted in the drawer
So please, someone remind me what all this is about ? Why does the touchwiz vs htc sense keep popping up ?
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Because its fun? Because thats what forums are for?
1. Most people dont download 3rd party launchers
2. These 2 launchers are the pride of HTC and Samsung, its a guaranty people are going to compare them.
3. I dont have my own personal blog and this is a way for me to share my thought and discuss. But I wont do it again if people hate it!
Also I see sooo many comments from people that have never used TouchWiz 4 and instantly say "omg touchwiz, im not buying Galaxy S 2" (on other forums like engadget, not here)
What I really think is TouchWiz 4 is not bad at all. Its even better then stock android and its not so much "in your face" as HTC Sense.

Android Market 3.1.3

Anyone else tried android market 3.1.3 on there Xoom?
It seems like go to google has resigned it to run on tablets. It runs so much better than the old version.
Download it from the link below
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/08/23/download-android-market-3-1-3-adds-1-for-apps-and-games-pin-number-for-purchases-and-more/

your link is messed.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...-and-games-pin-number-for-purchases-and-more/
I like it. I hope it fixes the various tablet market bugs.

Although this is a market update for the phone Android OS just like the past few updates, and not for the tablet OS... it seems to work pretty well and it looks decent on the Xoom. At least having the ability to comment and rate things is good to know that you can have just like normal.
The only real thing I see wrong is when you go into 'My Apps', clearly it is not optimized for larger screens. Aside from that, it operates just the same as the phone OS market. Clean, fast, and looks pretty good as well even on a larger screen. It's useable.
In conclusion, I uninstalled this after a very short test run out of curiosity. I would much rather keep the Honeycomb market app.

Well, I can say its definitely optimised for tablets. I'm guessing this will be the next version for tablets.
Here's a few reasons why.
Did you try the old mobile apk? The whole UI was blown up to fit the screen. Whereas this has. Dual panel setup you see in many Honeycomb apps.
You have a tablet specific section.
When you purchase an app you get a pop-up window to confirm your purchase. just like the original honeycomb version.
Yes I know My apps section looks like it needs work doing to it but I think it's Beta that got leaked.
To me it's a huge improvement from the the original honeycomb version.

I want to try it, but i have a completely stock Xoom, so my question is can i uninstall it with "Uninstall updates"?

Installing from the link in the second post did not upgrade my current market, it will install it additionally. I have both versions installed.
Works and looks great! I like the pin lock feature (wish all apps had that) and the ability to review.

Kas206 said:
Well, I can say its definitely optimised for tablets. I'm guessing this will be the next version for tablets.
Here's a few reasons why.
Did you try the old mobile apk? The whole UI was blown up to fit the screen. Whereas this has. Dual panel setup you see in many Honeycomb apps.
You have a tablet specific section.
When you purchase an app you get a pop-up window to confirm your purchase. just like the original honeycomb version.
Yes I know My apps section looks like it needs work doing to it but I think it's Beta that got leaked.
To me it's a huge improvement from the the original honeycomb version.
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I wouldn't doubt it if this was the next update for the tablet, after all... this design/setup was inspired from the tablet market anyways. The Honeycomb tablets started coming out and then then phone OS market got an entire UI revamp not long after that to match the new high quality market we got from Honeycomb. It's all a part of the puzzle that will ultimately unite the tablet and the phone as one with Ice Cream Sandwich. They will both end up sharing a similar or the same exact high quality market app when ICS debuts no doubt. Thus, you will be left with one market that works and scales correctly in high def on both devices. Looking forward to seeing that!
Funny thing though... people think that having one OS on both devices sounds like we are going backwards in technology, aka the iPhone and iPad are the same device in reality... one is just larger. But, that is not the case with Android and ICS. It will be a high def OS that works together on both phones and tablets, and will scale the same high def quality on all screen sizes. ICS will be a perfect OS with great high quality designed to unite both devices, instead of having a phone... and then an oversized phone that doesn't make calls.
Silly Apples... you can only get away with that junk for so long until the public starts to realize that they are being ripped off by trying to pass off a giant phone as a tablet. At least Android knows what it's doing with the introduction of Honeycomb back in February. The only devices that can truly be labeled as a tablet must be running a tablet specific OS in the first place... aka, Honeycomb. Otherwise, they are indeed known as a giant phone that does not make calls by default.
I said all that just because I wanted to think out loud... lol.

Anyone know how to install the new market and have it set as the only market? Meaning how do we du,p the ols one so it never opens and doesn't show in the app drawer?
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patass said:
Anyone know how to install the new market and have it set as the only market? Meaning how do we du,p the ols one so it never opens and doesn't show in the app drawer?
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if you're not rooted you will not be able to remove the stock market

anybody who said this was tablet optimized needs to slap himself. this app is clearly not optimized for honeycomb

p-slim said:
anybody who said this was tablet optimized needs to slap himself. this app is clearly not optimized for honeycomb
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It really looks optimized on my Xoom. Want a picture as proof?

Vistaus said:
It really looks optimized on my Xoom. Want a picture as proof?
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Why would I need proof, i own a xoom and can see for myself exactly what it looks like. Open up "my apps" and tell me that's honeycomb optimized. Also I don't see a "featured tablet apps " section, so what in gods name makes you think this is tablet optimized, just because the main screen fits, smh?
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i see a featured tablet section. And I am rooted, I just dont see where the old market stuff is.

p-slim said:
Why would I need proof, i own a xoom and can see for myself exactly what it looks like. Open up "my apps" and tell me that's honeycomb optimized. Also I don't see a "featured tablet apps " section, so what in gods name makes you think this is tablet optimized, just because the main screen fits, smh?
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Dude, calm down. This CLEARLY has some tablet optimizations. There is a lot of two-column stuff going on, ActionBar support. It runs great on my phone and my tablet. This is exactly how ICS is going to work, and it is good to see Google doing this kind of development before ICS hits.

p-slim said:
Why would I need proof, i own a xoom and can see for myself exactly what it looks like. Open up "my apps" and tell me that's honeycomb optimized. Also I don't see a "featured tablet apps " section, so what in gods name makes you think this is tablet optimized, just because the main screen fits, smh?
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I'm sorry that your opinion is wrong. Lol!

Psychokitty said:
I'm sorry that your opinion is wrong. Lol!
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My opinion isn't wrong, sorry you feel that app is FULLY optimized for your xoom when it isn't. Yeah some features are looking good on the xoom but not all. The app is the same on my xoom and everyone else's. Unless you're asking that stupid question if we did anything other then install app, again. Only on xda do people think FULLY OPTIMIZED means some honeycomb features, obviously when anyone clicks on my apps you instantly can see this app isn't meant for honeycomb. This isn't an argument as anyone can clearly see that part of the app isn't correct
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My Apps looks fine here. It doesn't integrate really with the rest of the market, but it looks fine.
But more important: the rest of the market is optimized. I don't see any part that looks wrong (only a search bar bug, but that's it).

Here are some comparison screenshots. You can definitely see the changes.
3.1.3 On top
3.0.26 At the bottom
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Market
Hey guys, this looks interesting as I have the Htc Desire and my market on there has been replaced with one that look exactly like the pics that have been posted. I didn't update it manually it just changed.....is this right? My Desire has not been rooted or flashed in anyway. It shows build version 3.1.3
My Mrs has the Htc Desire too and her market as not changed.....
Also when I go on the marketplace on my XOOM and search for an app, the results may say 'found 50 Apps' but it doesn't display any where near that many...do I need to upgrade my marketplace...?
Thanks in Advance.....

How would you want the Android 4.0 (ICS) update to look like? -Rumor Update-

Since SE has confirmed ICS update for the arc/arc S, I think it is a good idea to discuss about the appearance of the firmware.
Personally, I'd like most things to be left as stock with some touches there and here to distinguish it from other ICS builds.
What do you think?
EDIT: No, this is not "just another ICS thread".
EDIT 2: A Sony employee tweeted these:
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If it's really true, I'm very excitedly happy. Yay for stock Android

- New timescape version (might include timescape for application)
- Apps & Widget manager
- New music players
- More bloatwares
- Hopefully camera will be fixed
- System running faster

what happen to the camera?

Chances are it will come with the same old tired S.E U.I, which isn't really an issue as that can easily be changed.

XperienceD said:
Chances are it will come with the same old tired S.E U.I, which isn't really an issue as that can easily be changed.
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I hope we do manage to get it rooted with locked bootloaders because after that, making it stock is easy

-Camera compression
-Shortcuts for notification site, to add music player, power control shortcuts
-New home launcher...
-better support for liveview
-wi fi connection
-faster scrolling in menu, switch from first to last app. list faster.like moving finger on dots beyond apps
-"xBass" pls. make this > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1106197 I'd appreciate it, really. f* xloud, it doesnt change max loudness.

I don't think SE is that dumb to change the whole appearance of ICS lol..
why would they even do that? maybe a little touch to make it more attractive than the others but why would they make it into a TS UI? LOL makes no sense to me as the holographic engine of the ICS FW is so damn awesome & sleek :O

I think it would be great if sony put its touch in the interface while keeping it ICS
look in general.

Camera compression is the only adjustment I care about. Make it better or lose a customer

Full blown SE customization.
Stock android is boring (at least for me)

- Hardware accelerated graphics -> smooth, lag-free scrolling and navigation !

Never in my days will I understand anyone who thinks the left is better UI design than the right >.< But each to their own I guess

I like se one over stock gingerbread .but ice cream?iam not sure
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I hope and think SE will combine their amazing UI design skills
with ICS.
ICS is not so beautiful everywhere however I think - I really do! - that some ICS UI elements are actually inspired by SE.
SE has the best UI on smartphones IMO.

I like ICS home launcher, but I also like SE's home launcher, so I hope to have the functionality of SE Home launcher with the stock launcher + SE theme.
I like some of SE functionality also like Facebook inside Xperia.
but there's things I hate, SE must, and must and MUST do something regarding it...
1- the added pre-installed apps I hope SE make them optional, these are forced to be in the phone even if the user doesn't want them... yeah make them already pre-installed but don't make them system apps so we can remove what ever we want to remove.
2- The Home launcher & browser both should be Hardware accelerated, and Home launcher should be loaded in Memory all the time, and make the browser have this option also.

Xajel said:
1- the added pre-installed apps I hope SE make them optional, these are forced to be in the phone even if the user doesn't want them... yeah make them already pre-installed but don't make them system apps so we can remove what ever we want to remove.
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One of ics new features is disabling any system app so it looks like we won't have an issue
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jtc42 said:
Never in my days will I understand anyone who thinks the left is better UI design than the right >.< But each to their own I guess
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Erm, you've got to be joking?!! The Google ICS image on the right looks like a cluttered, cramped and confusing mess. The SE image on the left is clear and simple. Also look at that pointless big grey bar at the bottom of the screen on ICS - what an absolute waste of screen space.
I also absolutely hate the way ICS on the Galaxy Nexus wastes screen space for those pointless software Android buttons. Slimline tactile buttons as on the Xperias are a superior solution.
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doomed151 said:
Since SE has confirmed ICS update for the arc/arc S, I think it is a good idea to discuss about the appearance of the firmware.
Personally, I'd like most things to be left as stock with some touches there and here to distinguish it from other ICS builds.
What do you think?
EDIT: No, this is not "just another ICS thread".
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I'm not sure whether you can already do this or not in ICS, but I think there should be a way to add labels to pages in your app tray. I see Google has added tabs for "Apps" and "Widgets", but I think this is a pointless change. I don't need a Widget tab, nor do I want an Android Market tab (it's there for no other reason than Goog£€ making sure to promote its ridiculous 30% cut on app sales). What I would like is the ability to create custom tabs to group my apps (or, alternatively, the ability to create folders) in the app tray. Ironically, Google have moved to SE-style side scrolling for apps, but with custom tabs vertical scrolling would actually look better!
I would also like companies like SE to neuter Google's power a bit more. I simply do not trust Google (I think it is becoming too big, powerful and "big brother" like) and would like SE to add features such as the making it more configurable what data Google receive, and reduce the dependency on Google services.
I also wish SE would stop forcing Facebook on users, and allow users to remove the Facebook app and all Facebook features - not only is the Facebook app badly written and a CPU and battery hog (which runs in the background even if you sign out), Facebook is another company that I do not trust at all.

I have to agree with Paul. I'm not a big fan of the ICS UI. I particularly don't care for the soft buttons at the bottom of the screen. I prefer a clean, simple look. Albiet I haven't used a true ICS ROM, but I have flashed ICS themed ROMS and don't like it all. Call me a creature of habit, but I have no plans of installing ICS when it's finally released.
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I forget to say,
1- Add support for USB-OTG Mass Storage, and please for any newer phones, even if you will add large internal memory ( like 16GB ) add also a microSD slot, it's a must, and AFAIK missing the microSD will mean no USB-OTG Mass Storage...
2- Support WiFi Direct

I don't know if you're aware, but when ICS comes to the arc, or any other device with buttons, the soft buttons are disabled and it functions as normal.
Also the ICS themes for 2.3 are not at all a fair indication of the user experience. Most of the joy of ICS is its the first version of android with some degree of descent UI consistency.
I agree, the SE overlay is the best android 2.3 interface around. But android 2.3 UI sucked, it was a mess of aged, inconsistent graphics design. Sony took it and built an aged looking but more consistent UI design. Google have actually gone and made a stock UI in ICS that looks stylish enough to stand out in this world of simple, modern interface design.
But as I said, each to their own I guess I for one will be updating as soon as possible, ICS brings so many great new features to the table, as long as Sony doesn't spoil them, I think it's going to be a great update
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