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[Q] MAGLDR SD freezes on boot.

It's a problem, I've tried with different builds and SD cards with the same result, it boots to the system but right when the lockscreen shows up it freezes. Solutions?

cotulla said in the magldr thread, "the build on the sd card also has to be a "nand" build" reason being is that the current sd builds are looking for things left in ram (drivers) that aren't there.. Hope this clears this up..
swyped from my Desired HD2

Anyone know how to install a NAND version to the SD?!

You can't .. wait for chefs to build a SD version compliant with magldr
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I Think
Theory # 1
I think it may be doable via Flash.cfg
We just have to figure out exactly how it can be done.
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Theory # 2
I think we can use a NAND kernel on SD build to make it boot?

I will give the kernel thing a try - MDJ9.1 working very well on Gauner's HD Rom (sorry Gauner, but your kernel was quite choppy even after I had left it to sync).

i have the same question. i dont know how to solve the problem

stuck with the same issue, installed a nand version before backing up contents from my sd build, which is unbootable now.
My only hope is to uninstall nand (by putting a windows rom), then boot back into my sd android to backup settings?
update:
i put back on the fly the OzDroid, booted back to my SD android, but it was corrupted, upon boot it complained about different system UID, and i got too many FC on too many apps, and i am unable to backup anything useful
starting over.....

mcbyte_it said:
stuck with the same issue, installed a nand version before backing up contents from my sd build, which is unbootable now.
My only hope is to uninstall nand (by putting a windows rom), then boot back into my sd android to backup settings?
update:
i put back on the fly the OzDroid, booted back to my SD android, but it was corrupted, upon boot it complained about different system UID, and i got too many FC on too many apps, and i am unable to backup anything useful
starting over.....
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Damn, I've got the same problem. Too excited to install NAND on my Phone that I forgot to back up apps.
Ah well, Hope I can still extract *some* files from my sd card via my computer...

ThaDeanesta said:
Theory # 1
I think it may be doable via Flash.cfg
We just have to figure out exactly how it can be done.
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Theory # 2
I think we can use a NAND kernel on SD build to make it boot?
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Can this be done for UBUNTU?
I had renamed ubuntu-hd2-0.3 files initrd.gz and zImage and also tried using initrd.gz from DFT_anrdoid and with same's flash.cfg layout and playing around GOT UBUNTU UP TO KEYBOARD/MOUSE (but no touch).
How can this be done to Nand?
What is proper way to do ubuntu you think?
What SHOULD files be named and which zImage/initrd.gz shoulw work?
Thanks.

You can now boot sd roms from sd using magldr
You just need to modify one line in init.rc as detailed here:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913964
You will likely need linux or at least a live cd of linux to do it.

[Q] Do SD Builds boot using MAGLDR?

Ok so there are obvious NAND builds which I can flash as per WM ROMS, they will boot fine, but can I put an SD build on my sd card and it boot direct from MAGLDR?
I know it supports booting android from SD but which builds? Also do the files have to be in a different location that sd\Android?
Thanks we could really do with a MAGLDR 101 type sticky
Thanks in advance
Please move to Android Q&A I've just had a senior moment! :-(

mattwaddy said:
Ok so there are obvious NAND builds which I can flash as per WM ROMS, they will boot fine, but can I put an SD build on my sd card and it boot direct from MAGLDR?
I know it supports booting android from SD but which builds? Also do the files have to be in a different location that sd\Android?
Thanks we could really do with a MAGLDR 101 type sticky
Thanks in advance
Please move to Android Q&A I've just had a senior moment! :-(
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You should read this:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10202441#post10202441

mattwaddy said:
Ok so there are obvious NAND builds which I can flash as per WM ROMS, they will boot fine, but can I put an SD build on my sd card and it boot direct from MAGLDR?
I know it supports booting android from SD but which builds? Also do the files have to be in a different location that sd\Android?
Thanks we could really do with a MAGLDR 101 type sticky
Thanks in advance
Please move to Android Q&A I've just had a senior moment! :-(
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It is now possible to boot most roms that haret.exe ran using magldr
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913964
you will need some linux skills to do it as it involves mounting an image and changing one line in init.rc

[Q] magldr "Boot AD SD" compatible ROMS

Since MagLdr release, i have never seen any build that is compatible to run from magldr's "Boot AD SD" option, am i missing something?
from what i understood and tried by myself (after unfortunatelly losing my setup) normal SD build are not compatible with this option.
How can i convert normal SD or NAND roms to run from SD with this magldr option?

It's not something you'd call compatible, but with a little bit of work all of the sd builds that uses the cedesmith initrd can be modified pretty easily to boot from magldr. I've done it with JDMS, HD2ONE and desire_hd2 so far, and letama has posted the modified superram one. I'm sure the DesireZ works the same. You can find the instructions he posted here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10314695&postcount=807
It's literally just adding nand_init to one line in init.rc

There is a thread released today which will tell you step by step how to convert Nand Roms into Zip Rom so you can flash it anytime from SD card through Clockwork Mod Recovery.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905961

buzz killington said:
It's not something you'd call compatible, but with a little bit of work all of the sd builds that uses the cedesmith initrd can be modified pretty easily to boot from magldr. I've done it with JDMS, HD2ONE and desire_hd2 so far, and letama has posted the modified superram one. I'm sure the DesireZ works the same. You can find the instructions he posted here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10314695&postcount=807
It's literally just adding nand_init to one line in init.rc
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But how about RAM builds? And how do you read a .ext2 file?

AndHD2 said:
There is a thread released today which will tell you step by step how to convert Nand Roms into Zip Rom so you can flash it anytime from SD card through Clockwork Mod Recovery.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905961
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the question is , how to convert the NAND boot rom to SD boot, not CMR!
CMR is just another method to flash NAND Roms, without a data cable

sorry, but i dont understand how this works. the post explaining the procedure is not very clear to me. could someone be of any help and make it a little bit more noob proof?
i have phone numbers and text messages on a sd card android rom which i need badly.

Dewinter said:
the question is , how to convert the NAND boot rom to SD boot, not CMR!
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I would like to do that, too. I love the NAND ROM TyphooN CM7 3.3.5, but I would really to convert it to an SD ROM.

me also i need SD room from TyphooN rom.

[Q] Boot android from NAND with WinMo

Hi all
Is there any way to boot android from NAND through WM?
F.E. in this Super Lite ROM we have 396 MB free space on NAND
data.img + rootfs + kernel ~ 280 MB
So, can we point haret to boot android from internal storage? may be with some cmd line option? Or we need special drivers for NAND support?
Thank you

mascew said:
Hi all
Is there any way to boot android from NAND through WM?
F.E. in this Super Lite ROM we have 396 MB free space on NAND
data.img + rootfs + kernel ~ 280 MB
So, can we point haret to boot android from internal storage? may be with some cmd line option? Or we need special drivers for NAND support?
Thank you
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Huh... I think you misunderstood something (or perhaps it's me). If you put android in NAND, you don't need WM or haret. The problem is that at this point we (well, the devs... ) don't know how to initialize hardware, that's why we need WM.
Perhaps it would be possible to load WM, then haret+android from NAND, but don't know it that can be done.

is haret starts from internal memory? if we have 396MB of free space it is enough for android. maybe battery life will be improved when it won't be started from SD?

haret starts from any location and needs startup.txt in the same folder
then it looks for "rel_path" value, if it's empty haret tries to find all files in the root of sdcard
if it's f.e. "andboot" => sdcard/andboot
and there is one more value: "root" (used in neopeek builds)
f.e. "root=/dev/mmcblk0p2" makes haret load all files from 2nd partition on sdcard..

This is interesting, maybe I will try it later with a very lite ROM and XDAndroid
EDIT: I suppose XDAndroid has been written to start from SD. I saw "FAT Error" in haret lines and it didn't boot. Since I'm not a dev and I don't know what to edit I'll be waiting for s.o. else to try..
Cheers!

Is there anybody capable and willing to try and rewrite the paths of a haret-started android to start it from NAND. Yesterday when I tried it Haret started but since every path is pointing to SDcard folders it couldn't load anything. I confirm that I also had 396Mb free on NAND with the above mentioned Very Lite ROM.

radichev said:
Is there anybody capable and willing to try and rewrite the paths of a haret-started android to start it from NAND. Yesterday when I tried it Haret started but since every path is pointing to SDcard folders it couldn't load anything. I confirm that I also had 396Mb free on NAND with the above mentioned Very Lite ROM.
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You cannot do this, there's just a lot of work!
The dev-s are trying to build a NANDroid for the Blackstone. What is the point to have a win and android on the NAND if you have a native Android system flashed to the NAND, WinMo is useless. So be patient and follow this thread!
Best regards, FLeX!

nasko_spasko said:
You cannot do this, there's just a lot of work!
The dev-s are trying to build a NANDroid for the Blackstone. What is the point to have a win and android on the NAND if you have a native Android system flashed to the NAND, WinMo is useless. So be patient and follow this thread!
Best regards, FLeX!
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Generally you are right, but if it is a matter of just a few lines rewriting paths this could be a good alternative for an everyday Android port, while waiting for genuine NAND boot.
BTW I am watching all threads regarding this issue Pozdravi!

radichev said:
Generally you are right, but if it is a matter of just a few lines rewriting paths this could be a good alternative for an everyday Android port, while waiting for genuine NAND boot.
BTW I am watching all threads regarding this issue Pozdravi!
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But i think that nand file system it's not fat32,so haret wouldn't recognize it
Achieving nand flashing it's harder but i think it's better than wm + android

HELICOPTER88 said:
But i think that nand file system it's not fat32,so haret wouldn't recognize it
Achieving nand flashing it's harder but i think it's better than wm + android
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I agree with you! But do you think these lags in menus and apps will be eliminated when some day, somehow android is booted from NAND??? I'm just wondering, or its from the drivers, etc.

HELICOPTER88 said:
But i think that nand file system it's not fat32,so haret wouldn't recognize it
Achieving nand flashing it's harder but i think it's better than wm + android
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Maybe you are right, I had the message "FAT Error" as I said a few posts above. Good luck with NAND, I am ready for testing if you need a Blackstone device
Cheers!

from this thread:
What is NAND booting?
NAND booting uses code on the NAND to boot directly into Android without having Windows Mobile on the device. Currently, zImage and initrd.gz are stored on the internal NAND while the modules, rootfs, ext2, and data are stored on the SD card.
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I'm wondering if we could boot android with all files (or at least data.img) on NAND with haret on this stage..

mascew said:
from this thread:
I'm wondering if we could boot android with all files (or at least data.img) on NAND with haret on this stage..
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The answer is simple: NO! Android wouldn't boot at all.

As you can see in similar threads, the developers are trying to build NANDroid(there is no "data.img"; "system.ext2", etc. on SD, the target is the contents of this images to be writen to the NAND like mount points, for example: "/data" or "/system", etc.), wich means the Reading/Writing time will be reduced. Loading from image file on SD card is much more slower.
If you want to try loading with HaRET from NAND, just give up! It wont work.
Best regards, FleX!
Edit: @g3rm0
Sorry mate i didn't saw your post.

[Q] SD Development + Native SD

so now that the Native SD seems to be a HiT & is Fast, will the SD Development still continue? Would those guys who are not developers - so they say - be able to still port/ convert those NAND Roms to Native SD?
Just wondering.

Nativesd and SD aren't the same, nativesd is a nand rom running from SD ext so for example can't be used when the phone is running winmo, whereas SD android can be started from haret under winmo.
oops, wrong.

samsamuel said:
Nativesd and SD aren't the same, nativesd is a nand rom running from SD ext so for example can't be used when the phone is running winmo, whereas SD android can be started from haret under winmo.
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I am affraid to say you are incorrect,Native SD can be used when running winmo.

oh, well happy to be corrected, , i just hadn't seen any reference to haret/clrcad in relation to nativesd.

samsamuel said:
oh, well happy to be corrected, , i just hadn't seen any reference to haret/clrcad in relation to nativesd.
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Here yo go my friend,http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31110719&postcount=2
NativeSD Installation for Windows Mobile and other OS users :
From Xylograph
Code:
1. Boot into recovery by executing the usual clcad and haret stuff inside the Recovery folder.
2. Flash the ROM.zip package and follow instructions
3. Reboot and boot the ROM by executing the usual clcad and haret stuff inside the NativeSD folder.
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ahhhh (to be fair, i didnt even twig you could start recovery from haret either, heh)

thanks for your input guys, a lot of us benefits from this :highfive:

wis1152 said:
Here yo go my friend,http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31110719&postcount=2
NativeSD Installation for Windows Mobile and other OS users :
From Xylograph
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I'll be glad to use this instructions, 'cause I'm a Windows Mobile users (but not voluntarily . But Instruction 2. Flash the ROM.zip package and follow instructions makes my nervous. Will the flashing not erase the WM6.5?

leschakk said:
I'll be glad to use this instructions, 'cause I'm a Windows Mobile users (but not voluntarily . But Instruction 2. Flash the ROM.zip package and follow instructions makes my nervous. Will the flashing not erase the WM6.5?
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it will if you choose 'nand' in the instalation options, but any rom that allows nativeSD will use teh aroma installer and will default to installing on the sd-ext partition, unless you manually choose the nand option.