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[POLL] a2sd... yay or nay?

So I've learned more about android so far than I intended or expected. I haven't needed to learn about or implement a2sd but at this point my "keepers" app collection has me down to just over 20mb free internal storage so I'm considering taking the plunge.
I haven't used a2sd yet for two reasons:
A) I haven't needed it
B) I've read lots of threads regarding difficulty with setting it up and maintaining it when switching or updating roms
So what's the scoop? Is it worth it? Is there any performance gain or is it strictly a storage benefit?
Should I go ahead and learn about it so it's in place when the time comes that I want to use it or am I better off with my current rule of thumb? Which is "if I think I NEED a2sd then I probably NEED to reevaluate my app library".
Thanks guys

nebenezer said:
So I've learned more about android so far than I intended or expected. I haven't needed to learn about or implement a2sd but at this point my "keepers" app collection has me down to just over 20mb free internal storage so I'm considering taking the plunge.
I haven't used a2sd yet for two reasons:
A) I haven't needed it
B) I've read lots of threads regarding difficulty with setting it up and maintaining it when switching or updating roms
So what's the scoop? Is it worth it? Is there any performance gain or is it strictly a storage benefit?
Should I go ahead and learn about it so it's in place when the time comes that I want to use it or am I better off with my current rule of thumb which is "if I think I NEED a2sd then I probably NEED to reevaluate my app library"
Thanks guys
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Unless you are running out of space on your phone, I wouldn't worry about it. It is supposed to be faster if you have one of the $100 8gb class 10 thingys but I don't know if its true. its fast enough already
My vote: Nay

I have never used it and have never run short of space on my phone. From all the millions of posts on the subject I can't imagine it being worth the huge pain in the ass it seems to be!

I use it, as I have and do run out of space on /data.

I have a 16 GB class 2, so I've always refrained. I'm not running out of space, but I usually decide whether or not I like an app right after I install it and if I don't like it, uninstall.
So, to answer your question...
I don't know, I'm curious myself.

I use, ran out of space on my phone the first week so was excited to do it. it was a piece of cake to set up with RA 1.6.2, and switching roms has been no big deal, I usually first try to update without wiping ext, and 9 times out of 10 it works fine and I don't have to download my apps again (though you do lose data, but that can be backed with titanium. If it does mess up, it's no big deal, I adb pull the apps out with a * and they're all on my computer pretty quickly so I can reinstall as necessary.

jonnythan said:
I use it, as I have and do run out of space on /data.
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Do you mean to say that even using a2sd you STILL run out of space on /data?
funcrusher said:
I have a 16 GB class 2, so I've always refrained. I'm not running out of space, but I usually decide whether or not I like an app right after I install it and if I don't like it, uninstall.
So, to answer your question...
I don't know, I'm curious myself.
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lol, I was hoping this poll would benefit more than just myself
Like I said, I keep my app list pretty clean but 20mb as low as I've seen yet.

nebenezer said:
Do you mean to say that even using a2sd you STILL run out of space on /data?
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No, no, definitely not.

jonnythan said:
No, no, definitely not.
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ok, thanks!

I love a2sd cause I have a 8g card vs a small internal storage space on the phone. A2sd is very easy.
1. Backup your SD card on computer.
2. Root your phone if you haven't.
3. Partition your SD card via the recovery menu(I used 512mb for my ext2).
4. In the same menu at that below it change it from ext2 to ext3.
5. After complete put all of your files back on your SD card that you saved to your computer.
6. Then mostly every new 2.1 ROM has it built in now where it runs from the first bootup with no patching or user issues. Just make sure you look in the description of the ROM to make sure.
I'm running Fresh 2.0d. I just upgraded to a new 8g SD card for more music and movie storage space. So I just re-did the process. The longest part is waiting for the files to be transfered to/from the computer.

doeboy1984 said:
I love a2sd cause I have a 8g card vs a small internal storage space on the phone. A2sd is very easy.
1. Backup your SD card on computer.
2. Root your phone if you haven't.
3. Partition your SD card via the recovery menu(I used 512mb for my ext2).
4. In the same menu at that below it change it from ext2 to ext3.
5. After complete put all of your files back on your SD card that you saved to your computer.
6. Then mostly every new 2.1 ROM has it built in now where it runs from the first bootup with no patching or user issues. Just make sure you look in the description of the ROM to make sure.
I'm running Fresh 2.0d. I just upgraded to a new 8g SD card for more music and movie storage space. So I just re-did the process. The longest part is waiting for the files to be transfered to/from the computer.
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I would skip the ext3 part if I were you, kills your sd card faster

I know some people were having so trouble with some of the ROM's cause they were in ext2 but no one was having any problems while using ext3 s thats why I posted that. To help alleviate that issue

Vrekk said:
I would skip the ext3 part if I were you, kills your sd card faster
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I don't know why they even made this an option. I have a feeling the people implementing this have no knowledge of filesystems which is frightening....

For those of you running it:
What class cards do you have?

feld said:
I don't know why they even made this an option. I have a feeling the people implementing this have no knowledge of filesystems which is frightening....
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feld,
Care to post a brief run-down of the difference between ext2 and ext3?

funcrusher said:
For those of you running it:
What class cards do you have?
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I'm using a class 6.

jonnythan said:
I'm using a class 6.
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See, if I had a class 6 I probably would have tried it out by now. Afraid that my class 2 will slow down apps etc. ;\

I've had no problems with a class 2 8gb.
I have a class 6 on order.

funcrusher said:
See, if I had a class 6 I probably would have tried it out by now. Afraid that my class 2 will slow down apps etc. ;\
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I doubt it, actually. The class rating only refers to the minimum write speed in an optimal situation. Read speeds seem to be decently high across the board. You'll probably never notice any difference, if there even is one.

jonnythan said:
I doubt it, actually. The class rating only refers to the minimum write speed in an optimal situation. Read speeds seem to be decently high across the board. You'll probably never notice any difference, if there even is one.
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Yeah? What do you think about the 2.5 version or whatever that moves your dalvik over as well?

So will we ever get 4 GB?

After perm-root, is the rest of the NAND available?

joebobjoe said:
After perm-root, is the rest of the NAND available?
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Well, simply rooting isn't going to magically open up the internal storage; that's why it's still listed as 1.1x GB after. The root just came out this morning; just like us patient people gave the devs to root, give them time to fiddle with the storage. They'll probably figure it out soon enough.
Fortunately the storage is still a crapload. I've gone from what... 1.16GB? stock to 1.1GB, and I don't see myself using the rest of it at all.

Yup, I don't even think I need all that space. Right now I have 888MB free, and that is with ALL my apps installed on phone memory, as I prefer not moving to SD Card...
I just wanted to ask, does moving to SD Card do anything other than free up space of the phone memory? If it does make stuff run faster etc, then only I see a reason to move apps to sd card..

Freeing up space is the only real benefit for Androids native apps2sd...
Apps2ext on the other hand, was really nice to have if you like trying out different roms.
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franky1029 said:
Freeing up space is the only real benefit for Androids native apps2sd...
Apps2ext on the other hand, was really nice to have if you like trying out different roms.
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On the G1 they where able to re-allocate memory from the GPU to the CPU to increase the speed of the G1 at the cost of 3D games. Believe Cyanogen did this, Yes, 1.x gigs is plenty BUT, what if the rest of the "4 gigs" could be focused on the GPU side of things to increase FPS? hehe Counter Strike on the G2..rofl Maybe using the other space for a full linux distro? a dual boot?

Dual Boot could be very nice, yes..

That actually sounds quite viable.
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[Q] When will we see a build that utilizes the full 576mb of RAM in our devices?

First and foremost, If this question has been asked and answered before, forgive me. Secondly, anyone opting to flame me for asking this question will get their post deleted.
Now for the question:
Is there a single build out there that uses the full 576mb of RAM that comes in our devices? If so then please point me to that build(don't think this is gonna happen). If not then could a developer please explain why this hasn't been done and what needs to be done to get it working?
I'm not asking this as a noob. I've been using Android exclusively on my device for some time now with limited WM usage, only to change builds and boot back into Android and I'm pretty familiar with it. This doesn't mean I'm a Linux coder/developer, I'm just saying I'm not unfamiliar with the OS.
I welcome all replies as long as they're not argumentative or trolling in nature.
Thanks

Bumping this
edit: I just stumbled across this thread. Skip to page two.

Im assuming the reason we don't see all ram used with these android builds is because the base wm rom they're using. For instance I use cleanex rom which has 350 ram available when booting android.. then the android system loads and I usually have around 300-305 available.
Now I've noticed with other wm roms once I boot into android I may only have 230-250 available... contrary to what people say I think wm does have background programs running once android boots... because there is no way android os takes over 250MB ram to operate...

javolin13 said:
contrary to what people say I think wm does have background programs running once android boots... because there is no way android os takes over 250MB ram to operate...
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Dude, no windows kernel or programs are in memory when the android kernel is loaded.
Can a dev please clarify on this whether or not any windows is still left in memory?

javolin13 said:
Im assuming the reason we don't see all ram used with these android builds is because the base wm rom they're using. For instance I use cleanex rom which has 350 ram available when booting android.. then the android system loads and I usually have around 300-305 available.
Now I've noticed with other wm roms once I boot into android I may only have 230-250 available... contrary to what people say I think wm does have background programs running once android boots... because there is no way android os takes over 250MB ram to operate...
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Are you sure about that 350mb free ram??
about that 250mb free of ram is kinda correct.. i'll give it a shot..

Yeah check out the cleanex wm rom has tons of memory free... its a light weight rom perfect for android
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OK AFAIK
When Haret kills windows it registers the total available memory on RAM eg 250-300MB
now HARET uses most of the information on RAM left by WimMo to initialize hardware for android to run properly,
The only solution for a build to use 576MB ram is NAND
I'm no dev or hacker, the above is what i understand from reading open to correction
Best regds

Afaik, Haret does keep a lot of the hardware initialized by winmo, but that has nothing to do with the ram after Linux is loaded. All ram is free and available to Linux, so I'm not sure why all ram isn't used. I thought it was all being used, with some being set aside for the os... maybe some set aside for video memory too??
I'm curious about this too, now. We need to get one of the devs to clear this up. I was under the impression that it was all being used, but it's not all user accessible or shown to the user because the os uses a certain amount. We should point a Dev to this thread.
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Any 'Awesome' answers?

Okay Im curious about this too. I just flashed my own lite WinMo rom, to see if it would make a difference, and I wasnt paying attentionso let me ask here if maybe I did something that goes along the lines of the questioning. My WinMo Rom is 80mb, flashed it, and it said Storage free 870mb and only 8mb used, under program it said 100mb used and 370 free, when I booted Android up after loading I went into the system panel lite and under storage it says:
System Storage Capacity: 309.7
Available 15.1(?!?!?!) is that right?
Application Storage: 1011.8
Available 684.2
I am using the Carbon Evo remix by motoman. Looking at the system storage capacity of 309.7 and available 15.1 do those numbers even look right? And from the Figures I stated, does that shed any light about getting to the 512mb mark? ALso when I do a task kill using ATK and TK, ATK says that my memory available is 270mb.
Hope this helps.

AngelDeath said:
Okay Im curious about this too. I just flashed my own lite WinMo rom, to see if it would make a difference, and I wasnt paying attentionso let me ask here if maybe I did something that goes along the lines of the questioning. My WinMo Rom is 80mb, flashed it, and it said Storage free 870mb and only 8mb used, under program it said 100mb used and 370 free, when I booted Android up after loading I went into the system panel lite and under storage it says:
System Storage Capacity: 309.7
Available 15.1(?!?!?!) is that right?
Application Storage: 1011.8
Available 684.2
I am using the Carbon Evo remix by motoman. Looking at the system storage capacity of 309.7 and available 15.1 do those numbers even look right? And from the Figures I stated, does that shed any light about getting to the 512mb mark? ALso when I do a task kill using ATK and TK, ATK says that my memory available is 270mb.
Hope this helps.
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I think you're reading your 16gb SD where it says 15.1. I'm pretty sure you are just reading your storage, which has nothing to do with ram.
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zarathustrax said:
I think you're reading your 16gb SD where it says 15.1. I'm pretty sure you are just reading your storage, which has nothing to do with ram.
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Yes.. thats what i thought too..
EDIT: I have tried cleanEx and i still have the same RAM available!

The way I understand it, the full ram on the hd2 has been mapped out. While the unit does have 576mb of memory, it's shared among user memory and other system uses like graphics.
For a short time people were running the full ram kernel with 512mb or 576mb and they noticed right away the display were getting corrupted.
I'm not a dev, this explanation was posted by others. It's in the thread zhegoggles posted too, on page 20.

zarathustrax said:
I think you're reading your 16gb SD where it says 15.1. I'm pretty sure you are just reading your storage, which has nothing to do with ram.
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Sorry but I have an 8gb sd card running my android not a 16gb.
And system panel says 15.1mb not gb, its 309.7mb storage capacity and 15.1mb available, so obviously thats not it, but I am trying to see how much smaller I can make winmo to run android and see if that number changes any more or less.

AngelDeath said:
Sorry but I have an 8gb sd card running my android not a 16gb.
And system panel says 15.1mb not gb, its 309.7mb storage capacity and 15.1mb available, so obviously thats not it, but I am trying to see how much smaller I can make winmo to run android and see if that number changes any more or less.
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309.7mb is the size of your system.ext2 partition. 15.1mb is what's left on it. It does not matter as you're not adding anything to it, any apps you install goes into the data.img.

AngelDeath said:
Sorry but I have an 8gb sd card running my android not a 16gb.
And system panel says 15.1mb not gb, its 309.7mb storage capacity and 15.1mb available, so obviously thats not it, but I am trying to see how much smaller I can make winmo to run android and see if that number changes any more or less.
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Either way, storage capacity is not ram. Changing winmo roms does not effect your androids ram or storage capacity.
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zarathustrax said:
Either way, storage capacity is not ram. Changing winmo roms does not effect your androids ram or storage capacity.
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way to burst my bubble there I got my WinMo down to near 40 mb and was hoping, (Not a linux person), I thought I read somewhere that winmo being in memory hampers linux, unless they were blowing smoke.
If thats the case, then how do you find out about memory then? If all the info is file based then how does one know what your using thru android?

I thought the HD2 has 488mb of RAM. If you read on the specs page it says 488MB of RAM.

freemini said:
I thought the HD2 has 488mb of RAM. If you read on the specs page it says 488MB of RAM.
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International HD2 by default has 488MB with 88MB hidden can be unlocked by using custom roms
TMOUS HD2 has 576MB by default

Opinions on limited internal storage

I'm very interested in the Xperia Play, but the limited internal storage memory is a bit of a turnoff. Is there a true solution to avoiding this issue (app2sd?) or will even installing apps on a SD card still leave some data on the internal storage memory.
I'm a bit out of date with Android development since I've been into WebOS. Still plan on buying a Pre 3, but it's tempting to get a Xperia Play as a secondary phone.

vaxick said:
I'm very interested in the Xperia Play, but the limited internal storage memory is a bit of a turnoff. Is there a true solution to avoiding this issue (app2sd?) or will even installing apps on a SD card still leave some data on the internal storage memory.
I'm a bit out of date with Android development since I've been into WebOS. Still plan on buying a Pre 3, but it's tempting to get a Xperia Play as a secondary phone.
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If you use adb you can move 95% of your apps to the sd, freeing up HUGE amounts of internal memory. I was on 40mb free before using adb, now I've like an extra 5 or 10 apps since then and have over 180mb free
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Nhialor said:
If you use adb you can move 95% of your apps to the sd, freeing up HUGE amounts of internal memory. I was on 40mb free before using adb, now I've like an extra 5 or 10 apps since then and have over 180mb free
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I agree, also I'll point out that if you have the device rooted you can use Titanium Backup to do the same thing (I haven't got around to installing the Android SDK to my PC yet). All my Gameloft games etc are <1mb internal. I have loads of games & still running with 165Mb free.
Memory is only a concern if you don't have the know how
As for the Pre 3 I was tempted too cuz I loved all the old PalmOS devices, but I was put off by the fact that they went with a 3.5" screen. Even Apple will be going bigger than this on their next release.

That's not too bad. I might check the phone out soon to make a decision as to if I should get one. I always like having a spare phone just in case something goes wrong with my primary or I go somewhere where I'd like to use one phone over another.
Pre 3 screen is 3.6-inches and I actually don't mind that. I've had a Palm Pre Plus since launch and I've never really been turned off by the screen size. I kinda like the smaller profile of the phone and I'm looking forward to WebOS 3.0. I'm just hoping HP markets WebOS properly to make the platform more attractive to developers.

Trust me it wont be a problem. and like many have said all you have to do is use ADB once and then all your apps are installed on the SD card but even if you dont do that its still plentiful.

Nhialor said:
If you use adb you can move 95% of your apps to the sd, freeing up HUGE amounts of internal memory. I was on 40mb free before using adb, now I've like an extra 5 or 10 apps since then and have over 180mb free
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How could you possibly have 40mb free before?
When I first got my phone last week the remaining memory was like at least 150 - 200mb? I'm running launcher pro now, have all sync and everything switched on, and my remaining RAM is 235MB, remaining INTERNAL STORAGE is 186MB now.
Can titanium backup FREE be used to do everything the paid one does?

everything except batch restore i beleve

danieljamie said:
How could you possibly have 40mb free before?
When I first got my phone last week the remaining memory was like at least 150 - 200mb? I'm running launcher pro now, have all sync and everything switched on, and my remaining RAM is 235MB, remaining INTERNAL STORAGE is 186MB now.
Can titanium backup FREE be used to do everything the paid one does?
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dunno mate, but im not lying...?

I wasn't doubting it just seems odd lol
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I use App 2 SD Pro and it has been working very well. That is why I paid for the pro.
I'm still in the air on the Advanced Task Manager app though. I need to get more into it. I kill the processes and it leaves 3 going. Then a minute later there is about 15 going again. I need to find a permanent stop to a bunch of those apps and figure out how to make them run as needed.
I like to pay for good useful tools.

1) Root phone
2) Install titanium backup
3) Batch move apps to sd card, including unmovable apps
4) Profit
It is as easy as that.

ncaissie said:
I use App 2 SD Pro and it has been working very well. That is why I paid for the pro.
I'm still in the air on the Advanced Task Manager app though. I need to get more into it. I kill the processes and it leaves 3 going. Then a minute later there is about 15 going again. I need to find a permanent stop to a bunch of those apps and figure out how to make them run as needed.
I like to pay for good useful tools.
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You cannot stop the system apps or the bloat the phone starts itself unless you uninstall them. Task managers work well for apps you have installed yourself but the stuff that keep resarting will keep restarting no matter how many times to kill them (it will drain your battery and possiblale do more damage then good ).
Root and uninstall the crap from the safe apps to remove list. Also titanium backup free version lets you move the unmovable apps to sd such as ashphalt and fifa e.t.c less then 1mb instead of 30mb will help with internal storage

problem is you can't root 2.3.3
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I have 2.3.2 still.
But I am nervous about killing my warranty.

danieljamie said:
problem is you can't root 2.3.3
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You can now
Have a look in the Dev forum...

danieljamie said:
problem is you can't root 2.3.3
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If your bootloader is unlocked you can install the rooted 2.3.3 rom which has been confirmed as being succesfully rooted http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098736. If the bootloader is locked such as mine you are right and will have to wait for a rooting method to appear.
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I have 2.3.2 still.
But I am nervous about killing my warranty.
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Rooting does void it. But if you have a locked bootloader you can use SUES to reinstall the software without the root and not even SE would be able to tell.

Thats alright but I refuse to unlock my bootloader guess I have to wait and I'm stuck with bloatware lol

I see a lot about how to root and unlock the Bootloader but don't see anything on why. I know rooting gives you access to removing the bloat. What does unlocking do? And what can I do without restricting myself to one version of gingerbread for life? Like one guy said I don't know where to start.

Use the adb command to set the install location to memory card
adb pm setInstallLocation 2
It solves most of the issue, and gives the option to move 99% of it apps to sdcard. It also installs the future apps directly to the sdcard. Provided u must be on froyo or higher. Rooting or unrooting doesn't really matter with this.
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ncaissie said:
I see a lot about how to root and unlock the Bootloader but don't see anything on why. I know rooting gives you access to removing the bloat. What does unlocking do? And what can I do without restricting myself to one version of gingerbread for life? Like one guy said I don't know where to start.
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Unlocking means that, when they get round to it, you can install your own custom roms that are specially themed and other improvements like overclocking the processor.
As you rightly said, rooting lets you remove the bloat, which is great. Also, unlocking means you can flash a rooted stock firmware. However I refuse to unlock my bootloader (YET).
You can wait for more sony ericsson updates, or wait for the android devs to make some cool custom ROM that we will eventually install (with unlocked bootloader).

Has Anybody Tried Increasing the size of where the apps gets installed

I just wondered, I'm not sure if this was ever brought up...
Lately, some of my friends have been passing all of their old phones such as Nexus S, Nex4g, HTC HD2, and SGS4G.
Well, I notice that the HTC HD2 and the Nexus S 4G can be partitioned or somehow manipulated that you can install endless apps on that partition. However, even though it is almost the same hardware as the Nexus S, nobody, or has had even tried to do what the Sprint S4G devs has done.
On the vibrant, it always shows that you got about 300 or less MB to install apps. But the problem is, when you overload that, your games/apps/etc., starts to just force close. I noticed that.
So, I searched the Vibrant threads and found nothing or no one has ever increased the amount of MB in their ROM.

ndwgs said:
I just wondered, I'm not sure if this was ever brought up...
Lately, some of my friends have been passing all of their old phones such as Nexus S, Nex4g, HTC HD2, and SGS4G.
Well, I notice that the HTC HD2 and the Nexus S 4G can be partitioned or somehow manipulated that you can install endless apps on that partition. However, even though it is almost the same hardware as the Nexus S, nobody, or has had even tried to do what the Sprint S4G devs has done.
On the vibrant, it always shows that you got about 300 or less MB to install apps. But the problem is, when you overload that, your games/apps/etc., starts to just force close. I noticed that.
So, I searched the Vibrant threads and found nothing or no one has ever increased the amount of MB in their ROM.
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Use a Root capable file explorer and create a file in your /datadata folder named .nodatadata (the one on the root of your phone)
After you reboot, it will take much longer than usual, all your installs will move to that folder and you can then install as many apps as you have "Internal Storage".
If you somehow manage to fill this up you can move your largest apps to your Internal SDCARD

Raistline said:
Use a Root capable file explorer and create a file in your /datadata folder named .nodatadata (the one on the root of your phone)
After you reboot, it will take much longer than usual, all your installs will move to that folder and you can then install as many apps as you have "Internal Storage".
If you somehow manage to fill this up you can move your largest apps to your Internal SDCARD
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But isn't it that you use the MicroSD card for this?
Let's make it clear, Internal SD is the Vibrant's and MicroSD is that small sd card.
And maybe I'm just looking at this aspect way to differently. I was under the impression when we do this, and I have done this, it pretty much the same concept as having Apps2SD, right? Or am I wrong still?
(Please, prove me wrong, and explain. No harm)

ndwgs said:
I just wondered, I'm not sure if this was ever brought up...
Lately, some of my friends have been passing all of their old phones such as Nexus S, Nex4g, HTC HD2, and SGS4G.
Well, I notice that the HTC HD2 and the Nexus S 4G can be partitioned or somehow manipulated that you can install endless apps on that partition. However, even though it is almost the same hardware as the Nexus S, nobody, or has had even tried to do what the Sprint S4G devs has done.
On the vibrant, it always shows that you got about 300 or less MB to install apps. But the problem is, when you overload that, your games/apps/etc., starts to just force close. I noticed that.
So, I searched the Vibrant threads and found nothing or no one has ever increased the amount of MB in their ROM.
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You must not be using the stock ROM, because that's not a problem on stock. On ROMs where this is the case, however, it is the /datadata partition that's limited. Raistline's .nodatadata solution will work - I'm running that way myself - but you will lose the speed bonus given by using /datadata. The /datadata partition cannot be resized in the way you suggest. I was looking into this too, but apparently the boot process (at least in Passion, the ROM I use) looks for the partitions to be a certain size. If they're not, it has problems. So resizing is not an option. You can either have only ~300MB and have fast operations, or you can get more than that and things can be laggy. (Mind you, it's not very laggy, like I said I am using .nodatadata and everything seems fine.)

300 MB or less for apps? I have 2gb which is plenty
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manus ferrera said:
300 MB or less for apps? I have 2gb which is plenty
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App
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Certain custom ROMs have this restriction. Stock usually does not, and other custom ROMs might not.

woofiegrrl said:
You must not be using the stock ROM, because that's not a problem on stock. On ROMs where this is the case, however, it is the /datadata partition that's limited. Raistline's .nodatadata solution will work - I'm running that way myself - but you will lose the speed bonus given by using /datadata. The /datadata partition cannot be resized in the way you suggest. I was looking into this too, but apparently the boot process (at least in Passion, the ROM I use) looks for the partitions to be a certain size. If they're not, it has problems. So resizing is not an option. You can either have only ~300MB and have fast operations, or you can get more than that and things can be laggy. (Mind you, it's not very laggy, like I said I am using .nodatadata and everything seems fine.)
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Ok, I see.
I just got done messing with ICS Neobuddy, odin'ed to stock, and now running MoPed's Jetpack v9. I don't think this port is stock, but it's as close to stock 2.3.5
Later this week, i'll try out Saurom by Dgr8, and it's 2.3.6.
How did you input .nodatadata on Passion, since it isn't a 'stock' rom?
You think this will be laggy on any Ginger?

It's just a matter of creating a blank file called .nodatadata within the /datadata folder. I did it in a terminal window with "touch .nodatadata" but other methods will work too. If you search for .nodatadata you will find various posts with instructions.

the .nodatadata method allows you to install more than 512MB of apps on the phone, it will allow you to use the full 1.8GB App storage that your phone has stock.
Anything beyond that you can use move the app to SDCARD, which is the phones Internal 16GB of storage. Not all apps are able to use SDCARD installs though.

woofiegrrl said:
It's just a matter of creating a blank file called .nodatadata within the /datadata folder. I did it in a terminal window with "touch .nodatadata" but other methods will work too. If you search for .nodatadata you will find various posts with instructions.
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Oh yeh, i know how, i was just curious how it works or why it worked in Passion. Ok, im jumping ship and flashing Passion.

Raistline said:
the .nodatadata method allows you to install more than 512MB of apps on the phone, it will allow you to use the full 1.8GB App storage that your phone has stock.
Anything beyond that you can use move the app to SDCARD, which is the phones Internal 16GB of storage. Not all apps are able to use SDCARD installs though.
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Thanks Raistline