I would love to have the htc evo shift 4g if it does happen to have a 800mhz processor. The keyboard is something that I would love to have. I read alot of people saying they'll trade in their evos. what're my options for getting the shift but not paying too much money in extra..?
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on the IPhone. We now have the Htc Evo.
Pay full retail or sell your evo, you won't have any luck unless you're close to an upgrade
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Okay thank you. But is the shift worth more or less then the evo
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the screen is smaller also at 3.6"
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the screen is smaller also at 3.6"
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Okay thank you. But is the shift worth more or less then the evo
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That's pure opinion
The Shift has a smaller screen, it has a keyboard but its a pretty gimped keyboard, but the internals are a little better.
really every thing i read about the shift4g is a fail phone smaller screen slower cpu idk its a downgrade for me
Actually the 800mhz proc is rumored to be the same as the g2( Desire Z) which is actually a very nice proc.
Its a G2. Bamm.
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Exactly why im consedering it!
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on the IPhone. We now have the Htc Evo.
The speed difference isn't going to matter.
No matter if the 800mhz cpu in the shift is faster than the 1ghz cpu in the Evo, or vice versa, neither cpu is going to have an actually noticeable speed difference.
Now, if the 800mhz processor is better on battery life, then that's whats worth anything.
I see it as, at its theoretical best, a very small step up from the Evo.
If you have an Evo I wouldn't waste my time getting that phone.
If you want a keyboard I would get the Epic with the full keyboard.
If you want more power I would just wait til summer.
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really every thing i read about the shift4g is a fail phone smaller screen slower cpu idk its a downgrade for me
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I'm always hearing that the Shift is underpowered. It has the 2nd generation snapdragons. Have you seen the OC's on the G2? It gets as high as 1.9ghz (1.7ghz stable). That is insane. The newer adreno 205's are probably 10% lower in performance compared to the Galaxy S SGX gpus. It is still close. Check out the benchmarks. My upgrade isn't till July, but I wanna wait for either a tegra 2 or adreno 220.
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I'm always hearing that the Shift is underpowered. It has the 2nd generation snapdragons. Have you seen the OC's on the G2? It gets as high as 1.9ghz (1.7ghz stable). That is insane. The newer adreno 205's are probably 10% lower in performance compared to the Galaxy S SGX gpus. It is still close. Check out the benchmarks. My upgrade isn't till July, but I wanna wait for either a tegra 2 or adreno 220.
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Now now, while I'm not saying it doesn't out perform the Evo's snapdragon, let's not confuse ability to overclock with performance.
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The speed difference isn't going to matter.
No matter if the 800mhz cpu in the shift is faster than the 1ghz cpu in the Evo, or vice versa, neither cpu is going to have an actually noticeable speed difference.
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Its definitely noticeable..mostly the GPU..and this isn't only about games its about hardware acceleration enabled software and etc...
Now, if the 800mhz processor is better on battery life, then that's whats worth anything.
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EVO=65nm
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aka Shift processor uses less power..
I see it as, at its theoretical best, a very small step up from the Evo.
If you have an Evo I wouldn't waste my time getting that phone.
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Yup I can't understand why HTC went with a 4 row kb on it...I mean is making it 5 row that hard?!?!? I mean it would cost them like 5 cents more at best probably and make thousands more happy...
But Epic is sweet..
If you want more power I would just wait til summer.
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Tegra 2 phones would be cool...
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I'm always hearing that the Shift is underpowered. It has the 2nd generation snapdragons. Have you seen the OC's on the G2? It gets as high as 1.9ghz (1.7ghz stable). That is insane. The newer adreno 205's are probably 10% lower in performance compared to the Galaxy S SGX gpus. It is still close. Check out the benchmarks. My upgrade isn't till July, but I wanna wait for either a tegra 2 or adreno 220.
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The Galaxy S GPU is around 40%-100% more powerful actually...
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http://www.youtube.com/user/ILoveHTC#p/u/0/279W15Wq3Gc
Woah.. if that is actually true, thats freaking awesome..
It looks what, 6 or 7% faster than an N1 you think?
What I got out of it though was that the brushed metal back is going to get scratched to ****.
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It looks what, 6 or 7% faster than an N1 you think?
What I got out of it though was that the brushed metal back is going to get scratched to ****.
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you noticed that to huh
Is the shipping rom 2.1 or 2.2?
2.2 of course.
Stock 2.2.. No Sense.
Thats really good, 200mhz slower than nexus one and still outperforms it. But the 3d test looked a little choppy so its safe to say the galaxyS sgx540 gpu is still king in the 3d departmnet until next year when the adreno220 gpu is released.
Im gonna wait for it to come out in the stores so I can play around with it. Hopefully they turn on the HSPA+ switch here soon, and really see what this badboy can do.
A clear cover over the aluminum part will do the job.
Out of curiosity, I just ran Quadrant on my G1. Scored a solid 384. Oh yeah. Don't pretend you're not impressed.
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Out of curiosity, I just ran Quadrant on my G1. Scored a solid 384. Oh yeah. Don't pretend you're not impressed.
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LMFAO!!!!!!!
wait until we overclock it past 1GHZ... hell, it's underclocked now anyways compared to most scorpion processors. 224MHZ to be exact. I just preordered mine and am truely excited! 1500 is a great score! Hell I only get half that with my MTS w/2.2... I really had to fight my way to get the 2 year pricing since I just got the MTS 3 1/2 months ago. But it the end and only an hour on the phone with the retention department, I got my new baby preordered! yea! my first project will be to add the black status/notification bars back. I really hate the plain white. The sense look is nice, imo
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Thats really good, 200mhz slower than nexus one and still outperforms it. But the 3d test looked a little choppy so its safe to say the galaxyS sgx540 gpu is still king in the 3d departmnet until next year when the adreno220 gpu is released.
Im gonna wait for it to come out in the stores so I can play around with it. Hopefully they turn on the HSPA+ switch here soon, and really see what this badboy can do.
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i think the 3D result will change significantly if we clock it to its home base @ 1 Ghz.... So If not beat the galaxyS, im sure it can keep up with it.
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wait until we overclock it past 1GHZ... hell, it's underclocked now anyways compared to most scorpion processors. 224MHZ to be exact. I just preordered mine and am truely excited! 1500 is a great score! Hell I only get half that with my MTS w/2.2... I really had to fight my way to get the 2 year pricing since I just got the MTS 3 1/2 months ago. But it the end and only an hour on the phone with the retention department, I got my new baby preordered! yea! my first project will be to add the black status/notification bars back. I really hate the plain white. The sense look is nice, imo
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I'm guessing that we'll be able to overclock it too 1.2 GHZ sick!!!
1 Ghz overclock
Remember that 1 Ghz is not even a true overclock for the chipset. The chipset can be clocked between 800 Mhz and 1Ghz and still be within the chip's design specs.
Most of the time overclocking a processor indicates that it is running faster than the chipset is designed to be stable, more like clocking this processor to 1.2 Ghz.
It's going to be fun playing with this phone
Can't wait for mine to get here.
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Out of curiosity, I just ran Quadrant on my G1. Scored a solid 384. Oh yeah. Don't pretend you're not impressed.
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I got 196 on my G1 running CM5 Wonder what the difference is?
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Remember that 1 Ghz is not even a true overclock for the chipset. The chipset can be clocked between 800 Mhz and 1Ghz and still be within the chip's design specs..
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read somewhere that the stock speed on this chip IS 800 Mhz. supposedly the desire hd has a different processor with a stock speed of 1 Ghz.
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my first project will be to add the black status/notification bars back. I really hate the plain white. The sense look is nice, imo
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always liked the plain white notification bar. likes how it stands out from the wallpaper. good to see its not an issue with slcd. use to cause burnin on amoled screens.
G2 is running a MSM7230 unlike the Desire HD which is running with a MSM8255.
and according to qualcomms website the G2's proccessor runs at a stock speed of 800mhz.
http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html
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powervr sgx... king? Of WHAT? There is NOTHING worse than a powervr GPU. And there is more to a GPU than raw throughput. That one single chip is responsible for the BIGGEST HIT in the public image of ***INTEL*** than any previous blunder. Just look up "intel poulsbo" -- which *IS* a powervr sgx. Believe me, EVERYBODY HATES THEM.
As I remember it, G2/ Desire HD will feature the Adeno 205 GPU which is suppose to be 5X bettter than N1's GPU. Also next year with 1.2/1.5 Ghz chipset will feature a Adeno 220 Chipset.... (cant imagine how goo that'll be) lol
I just jumped ship from nexus one one to nexus s I love it you will too... its nice people ...
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Should've waited for a dual core-core android by HTC.just saying...
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Yea, it's nice, but where am i gonna dig up $529?
Root it and provide system dumps
I just bought one out right with no contract, and I will see how I like it for the next few days.
First impression is that its def a finger magnet. Overall, the phone is much snappier than my OC N1 running Rod's latest MIUI ROM. Gingerbread has some nice improvements but I am already missing the MIUI slide screen. Someone please port it over ASAP .
The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
More on the phone as I continue to use it.....
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I just bought one out right with no contract, and I will see how I like it for the next few days.
First impression is that its def a finger magnet. Overall, the phone is much snappier than my OC N1 running Rod's latest MIUI ROM. Gingerbread has some nice improvements but I am already missing the MIUI slide screen. Someone please port it over ASAP .
The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
More on the phone as I continue to use it.....
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Would love to know more about the VOIP integration.
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Should've waited for a dual core-core android by HTC.just saying...
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There is always something to wait for. I have never found the single core on my N1 to be lacking, so I highly doubt I will find the significantly faster single core in my Nexus S lacking. If dual cores are a big deal 6 months from now I will sell the Nexus S and trade up.
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Yea, it's nice, but where am i gonna dig up $529?
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Sell your N1, then you will only have to come up with $150-$180.
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I just jumped ship from nexus one one to nexus s I love it you will too... its nice people ...
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So?
This needs to be moved to the Nexus S forum
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I have never found the single core on my N1 to be lacking, so I highly doubt I will find the significantly faster single core in my Nexus S lacking.
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I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
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So?
This needs to be moved to the Nexus S forum
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Seriously! Take it over there...
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I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
Seriously! Take it over there...
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@soberguy Well another point to the single core issue is not things that are taking place right now but things that are taking place over the next year. Developers are going to start making high thing that will require dual core for maxium performace. Also.....where are the moderators to move this
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@soberguy Well another point to the single core issue is not things that are taking place right now but things that are taking place over the next year. Developers are going to start making high thing that will require dual core for maxium performace. Also.....where are the moderators to move this
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Oh no trust me, you and I agree. I'm not getting the S with dual core around the corner. I think it's a complete waste of money. The S has some advantages over the 1, but to me, they aren't worthwhile with dual core coming very, very soon.
I just wanted to point out that Hummingbird and Snapdragon are both 1GHz, and I don't think that Hummingbird is significantly faster than Snapdragon. GPU is a different story; we all know that has been HTC's achilles heel for some time now (go back to their WinMo days and the driver fiasco...).
You and I agree, bud. The S isn't worth it, and this thread is in the wrong damn forum.
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I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
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It is hard to know until you have both GalaxyS/2.2 with NexusS/2.3 running side by side, as they have the same CPU/GPU combination and the only difference is the OS.
It could well be that 2.3 uses the GPU for something what 2.2 was doing with CPU alone. And this could turn out as the biggest difference.
I am sure that N1 GPU as such is plenty fast enough, as it is used by the most of the current WP7 phones. Nobody seems to be complaining about the "jerkiness" of the WP7 interface. It is actually a matter of the time and effort sank into UI and the underlying graphics drivers. As a consequence, it can also happen, that N1 graphics drivers get less optimized as the ones in NS. We will see.
Even if dual core “around the corner” I honestly don’t think we will see optimized software for at least 6 months.... Look at the desktop computing world.. It took nearly a year for dual core to make a difference back when it was intel core solo vs core duo (or amd64 vs X2)... The software just took a lil longer to catch up. Even now, its taking awhile for a quad core to be worth it over a dual core
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Oh no trust me, you and I agree. I'm not getting the S with dual core around the corner. I think it's a complete waste of money. The S has some advantages over the 1, but to me, they aren't worthwhile with dual core coming very, very soon.
I just wanted to point out that Hummingbird and Snapdragon are both 1GHz, and I don't think that Hummingbird is significantly faster than Snapdragon. GPU is a different story; we all know that has been HTC's achilles heel for some time now (go back to their WinMo days and the driver fiasco...).
You and I agree, bud. The S isn't worth it, and this thread is in the wrong damn forum.
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actually the cpu on the snapdragon is faster for computational tasks thanks to its FPU. hummingbird is on par to much slower in terms of computations (its linpack is like 14 lol)
the gpu is what separates the hummingbird from the snapdragon which is why hummingbirds seem better due to its overall performance
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actually the cpu on the snapdragon is faster for computational tasks thanks to its FPU. hummingbird is on par to much slower in terms of computations (its linpack is like 14 lol)
the gpu is what separates the hummingbird from the snapdragon which is why hummingbirds seem better due to its overall performance
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Excellent post, Sir. I always had the impressions, for some reason, that Hummingbird was a touch better, but the GPU made it really excel. It's great to hear that Snapdragon is actually a bit better, but is in fact held back due to the GPU. This makes me reconsider my next purchase significantly. I was thinking of holding off on HTC, as they'll continue to use Qualcom. Perhaps I'll stick with HTC, depending on when they have a dual core available for AT&T frequencies.
Ima gonna puke with all this crap about nexus s. It sucks people its made by samsung. Plastic shell cheap ****. Gps problems will come out soon and u ppl will be crying why I brought it! It's a galaxy s phone so I won't be surprised if tons of **** is wrong with it. Get the new LG phone instead or muizu m9
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Even if dual core “around the corner” I honestly don’t think we will see optimized software for at least 6 months.... Look at the desktop computing world.. It took nearly a year for dual core to make a difference back when it was intel core solo vs core duo (or amd64 vs X2)... The software just took a lil longer to catch up. Even now, its taking awhile for a quad core to be worth it over a dual core
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But that was the first time people had seen dual core on any device. Now it's been around a while and people know what they are dealing with.
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soon and u ppl will be crying why I brought it!
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Hopefully they cry on the nexus s forum.....
So, I don't know if I'm the only one, but the only mention of dual core in a device that I've seen is the new Motorola Stingray tablet they were using to show off Maps 5. I don't even think Ginger supports Dual core. I honestly don't think we'll see anything dual core until Honeycomb.
Is there really any reason for NEEDING a dual-core processor in your phone? The only reason I can see for having it is to brag about it.
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The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
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Must be worse than the screen on the SGS then as the SGS I had had a clearly far better screen than the N1.
So who's making the jump to the Evo shift 4g? There is a review video on YouTube as well. Search for Evo shift 4g.
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Yeah I am
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I'm an epic user but I have seen the great dev community for the Evo and as I will be getting the shift for my wife I really hope that some of your devs make the switch or at the very least expand their development to include the shift!
Hell no! I see the shift as the "womans" version of an Evo. No offense to any ladies out there
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Hell no! I see the shift as the "womans" version of an Evo. No offense to any ladies out there
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So, I should give my husband my Evo and I get the Shift?
I just got my EVO last night and ordered the wife an Optimus she decided her Blackberry just couldn't hang anymore. But we might be sending the optimus back now after seeing the shift demo video, looks really nice.
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So, I should give my husband my Evo and I get the Shift?
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Champagne would fall from the heavens all doors will open and you will be crowned one of the coolest wifes to walk the earth.
Has anyone looked at the hardware specs or can tell if the 4g chipset is the same as the EVO? In other words: will all the WIMAX work being done right now be Shift compatible? I imagine so (at worst just wait for a kernel release so the new drivers can be compiled) but I'm curious.
The specs on the shift aren't as good. I wouldn't expect many current evo users to switch.
smaller with a slide out keyboard. No thanks. It really doesn't have better specs than the Evo, just smaller with a slide out keyboard. I think I'll stick with my Evo for now because when I am eligible for an upgrade the phones will be much better than the Shift. No sense getting locked into a lesser phone for 2 yrs. My 2 pennies worth anyway. To each his own.
Did anyone else notice in the video review, the processor is the same as the original EVO? V7 rev 2? Am I misunderstanding that?
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Is it going to ship with the new sense?
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The specs on the shift aren't as good. I wouldn't expect many current evo users to switch.
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*Sigh* people like numbers too much. Just because the number 800 is smaller than 1000 doesn't mean that 1000 is better than 800. The chip running the Evo Shift is faster than the plain old Evo and has been overclocked to 1600mhz which is bigger than 1000. As I've read in here the Evo force reboots at 1200. The only downside to this phone is its size which many would view as an upside (my wife is one of those people...she has small hands and cannot use the Evo or the Epic).
Think about it only a 2g sd card but the 1 LED flash will be better for taking pics on a 5mp cam. The EVO is still better even though I have a thing for keyboards. I didn't know I had a big thing for screen size until I got this lol. Bigger IS better, or at least that is what my girlfriend said.
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i'm jumping ship. it's the same cpu as the G2 and that thing is a beast.
also the keyboard would be handy, i miss having a real keyboard and can live with the smaller screen (same resolution...so whatever)
just hope we get CM7 on the Shift some time soon after release :-D
anyone hating on the CPU hasn't seen an evo and a G2 side by side.
my friends unrooted, stock G2 wipes the floor with my Evo running CM6.1.1 with zendroid 1.0.2 BFS - AVS with setCPU set to performance at 998mhz (stock clock and setCPU profiles turned off)
the GPU on the Scorpion (cpu in the shift. i think it's called the Scorpion) is enough for me to switch
Neocore on my Evo averages 32.2 FPS and my friends G2 averages 53 FPS. should make enough of a difference to play Dungeon Defenders :-D
Ill enjoy my evo and switch when there is a significant upgrade.
I am very tempted to make a jump ship to the Shift 4g. However, you guys do point out interesting facts that I might reconsider.
No thanks from what I have seen I will stick with my evo. I have a craving for big screens. I love the size of my evo and wwont be going to a smaller screen
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Did anyone else notice in the video review, the processor is the same as the original EVO? V7 rev 2? Am I misunderstanding that?
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Its actually a Rev 1 and is only 800mhz. Only comes with a 2gb sd card also.
I'll pass!
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i'm jumping ship. it's the same cpu as the G2 and that thing is a beast.
the GPU on the Scorpion (cpu in the shift. i think it's called the Scorpion) is enough for me to switch
Neocore on my Evo averages 32.2 FPS and my friends G2 averages 53 FPS. should make enough of a difference to play Dungeon Defenders :-D
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The scorpion core is Qualcomm's changes to ARM's standard Cortex A8 CPU. Both first and second generation Snapdragon have the scorpion core. Per clock cycle, Qualcomm claims it is 5-10% faster than a standard Cortex A8 (iphone 3gs used this processor). The second generation snapdragon is built on a 45nm process (60nm for first generation) so it is more energy efficient and should be better on battery life. The big advantage is the upgraded gpu, the Adreno 205 is much more powerful than the Adreno 200 found in the first generation Snapdragon.
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I have to go and pay my bill up to date tomorrow. I am very seriously thinking about the evo shift for obvious reasons. Does anyone have any thoughts on this subject or actually bought it? I'm interested in what you have to say.
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I have to go and pay my bill up to date tomorrow. I am very seriously thinking about the evo shift for obvious reasons. Does anyone have any thoughts on this subject or actually bought it? I'm interested in what you have to say.
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I'm not really sure what those obvious reasons are. The EVO Shift 4G has a slower processor, worse GPU, smaller screen, LCD instead of SAMOLED, and on all other points save Android 2.2 just about comes even with the Epic 4G. It's an attractive phone, and it probably has reasonable build quality (haven't had one in my hands yet) but I fail to see why it would be worth switching from an Epic 4G for.
Trade the best phone on sprint for a midrange phone? GREAT IDEA. /s
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I'm not really sure what those obvious reasons are. The EVO Shift 4G has a slower processor, worse GPU, smaller screen, LCD instead of SAMOLED, and on all other points save Android 2.2 just about comes even with the Epic 4G. It's an attractive phone, and it probably has reasonable build quality (haven't had one in my hands yet) but I fail to see why it would be worth switching from an Epic 4G for.
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I don't believe the processor is slower. Just because it has a slower clock speed doesn't make it slower.
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True...but its slower. Hummingbird is the fastest mobile processor until the dual cores come out.
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I'm not really sure what those obvious reasons are. The EVO Shift 4G has a slower processor, worse GPU, smaller screen, LCD instead of SAMOLED, and on all other points save Android 2.2 just about comes even with the Epic 4G. It's an attractive phone, and it probably has reasonable build quality (haven't had one in my hands yet) but I fail to see why it would be worth switching from an Epic 4G for.
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the only really good thing with the sliding keyboard is that it has no spring for it to kick out/back in. so less of a chance of it snaping/breaking anything. but its annoying to slide it. quadrant score on my store demo got 1298. beat our demo Evo by 200. so its not too bad actually for speed
I could swap phones with my old lady. She's got my evo. She doesn't really care about bigger badder better. Stuff I didn't like with the evo was its battery life, the radios were kinda deaf, and it wasn't very tolerant to temperature in the summer. Taking samsung out of the picture really narrows down the choices.
Yes, I'm impatient waiting for the real samsung update. That's my issues of obvious reasons. Plus, there's a lot of community development for htc compared to epic. Which will come first, official froyo or final (not beta or rc) cyanogen? That is the 164,000 dollar question. No 4g love either yet. I know, I'm ungrateful and too picky...
My wife traded her transform for one today, it pulled a 1634 in quadrant and over 34 in linpack before we left the parkinglot... maxed at 59fps too. 100% stock obviously.
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I'm due 4 an upgrade in Feb..it was going to be an evo but damn that phone flys!
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nope itll take something better than the epic for that
id love an epic with no 4g
it seems largely based off the g2 to me...so it should be similar?
And even though its 800mhz, its still better than the Evo's at 1ghz.
Also, it should be a whole lot more dev friendly since htc likes to use the same stuff, so it should be easy to OC it to a stable 1.6ghz like the g2 or a 2ghz unstable bull
But I think that'd still be a major downgrade from the epic.
The only upside in my opinion is the better development its guaranteed to have,or atleast easier development since its basically already been worked on so much as the Desire Z
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Trade the best phone on sprint for a midrange phone? GREAT IDEA. /s
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I'm going trade my epic in tomorrow for a sanyo m1 lol
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No, but I am jumping ship for the atrix!
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raylusk said:
I don't believe the processor is slower. Just because it has a slower clock speed doesn't make it slower.
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Trust me, it's slower. I'm a tech blogger and I've written about Hummingbird and Snapdragon. Google "Hummingbird vs. Snapdragon" and click the first link.
The Hummingbird beats Snapdragon MHz for MHz in processing power due to some heavy tweaking by the engineers at Intrinsity (which is now owned by Apple, the bastards!)
The MSM7630 in the HTC Knight is Qualcomm's 2nd-Gen "low-end" Snapdragon. It's not really a Snapdragon per se (Qualcomm chose to omit that brand from the MSM line of SoCs), but it's got the Scorpion CPU inside which is the backbone of the Snapdragon platform. It features a better graphics GPU than its Snapdragon predecessors, an Adreno 205 instead of an Adreno 200, which just about doubles graphics performance from what I've seen. However, it still doesn't come close to the PowerVR SGX540 our Epic 4G is rocking, which is still nearly twice as powerful as the Adreno 205. One other improvement the MSM7630 has is that it's manufactured on the 45 nm feature size, whereas the first-gen Snapdragons like the one in the EVO 4G are running on a 65 nm process, and are significantly less power efficient. The Epic 4G however already is on the 45 nm process and achieves about the same level of power efficiency.
From a hardware standpoint, going from an Epic 4G to an HTC EVO Shift 4G is a downgrade in every way.
Electrofreak said:
Trust me, it's slower. I'm a tech blogger and I've written about Hummingbird and Snapdragon. Google "Hummingbird vs. Snapdragon" and click the first link.
The Hummingbird beats Snapdragon MHz for MHz in processing power due to some heavy tweaking by the engineers at Intrinsity (which is now owned by Apple, the bastards!)
The MSM7630 in the HTC Knight is Qualcomm's 2nd-Gen "low-end" Snapdragon. It's not really a Snapdragon per se (Qualcomm chose to omit that brand from the MSM line of SoCs), but it's got the Scorpion CPU inside which is the backbone of the Snapdragon platform. It features a better graphics GPU than its Snapdragon predecessors, an Adreno 205 instead of an Adreno 200, which just about doubles graphics performance from what I've seen. However, it still doesn't come close to the PowerVR SGX540 our Epic 4G is rocking, which is still nearly twice as powerful as the Adreno 205. One other improvement the MSM7630 has is that it's manufactured on the 45 nm feature size, whereas the first-gen Snapdragons like the one in the EVO 4G are running on a 65 nm process, and are significantly less power efficient. The Epic 4G however already is on the 45 nm process and achieves about the same level of power efficiency.
From a hardware standpoint, going from an Epic 4G to an HTC EVO Shift 4G is a downgrade in every way.
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do you think it would be possible for you to do the same type of review on the camera for the epic against the evo and the iphone 4g? I read your last blog on the processors, and I must say dude im prety technical and you blew me away with your analysis!
boominz28 said:
do you think it would be possible for you to do the same type of review on the camera for the epic against the evo and the iphone 4g? I read your last blog on the processors, and I must say dude im prety technical and you blew me away with your analysis!
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Eh, I'm not a photo guy, I don't do cameras. I don't know jack about all that stuff and I'm afraid I wouldn't do a very good job. :-\
I have been getting bugged to do a review of Cortex-A9 (specifically Tegra 2, Orion, OMAP 4400 etc) as well as the 2nd/3rd gen Snapdragons, but I'm working on my CCNA and MSCITP certifications right now and I'm trying not to let myself get too distracted; once I start researching and writing all of my spare time gets flushed down the crapper!
flawlessbmxr said:
the only really good thing with the sliding keyboard is that it has no spring for it to kick out/back in. so less of a chance of it snaping/breaking anything. but its annoying to slide it. quadrant score on my store demo got 1298. beat our demo Evo by 200. so its not too bad actually for speed
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the5ifty said:
My wife traded her transform for one today, it pulled a 1634 in quadrant and over 34 in linpack before we left the parkinglot... maxed at 59fps too. 100% stock obviously.
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The problem is that you guys are using Quadrant and Linpack. Snapdragon CPUs always perform better in Quadrant because it isn't a well-built benchmark. Linpack is fooled by Snapdragon's Virtual Floating Point extension.
I'd like to see the scores it gets on Smartbench 2010, a new benchmark tool that I'm still not sure I trust completely but definitely seems to be more accurate than Quadrant.
herbthehammer said:
I could swap phones with my old lady. She's got my evo. She doesn't really care about bigger badder better. Stuff I didn't like with the evo was its battery life, the radios were kinda deaf, and it wasn't very tolerant to temperature in the summer. Taking samsung out of the picture really narrows down the choices.
Yes, I'm impatient waiting for the real samsung update. That's my issues of obvious reasons. Plus, there's a lot of community development for htc compared to epic. Which will come first, official froyo or final (not beta or rc) cyanogen? That is the 164,000 dollar question. No 4g love either yet. I know, I'm ungrateful and too picky...
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Have you guys read any posts from the senior members/devs? QUADRANT IS A JOKE. It caters toward snapdragon SoC's quadrant means nothing in R/L speeds.
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herbthehammer said:
I have to go and pay my bill up to date tomorrow. I am very seriously thinking about the evo shift for obvious reasons. Does anyone have any thoughts on this subject or actually bought it? I'm interested in what you have to say.
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if you're gonna trade-in, trade-in for an upgrade like a Tegra 2 chipset phone. Not a downgrade to a HTC Swift.
FYI, Sprint has no Tegra 2 phones in their stables right now.
Go with the Evo 4g , or something other than a Samsung phone I just swapped it for my wife's Evo and I don't regret it!support wise is a lot better (meaning custom roms, etc...). The only thing I miss is the SAMOLED thats it. The Evo Shift feels very smooth just like a G2 and once someone ports that Desire Z rom its going to be very nice!
For me, the most important downgrade would be the lack of a front-facing camera on the Shift. When I am deployed, it would be much nicer to be able to video-chat with my wife when I can find a wifi spot with my Epic.
So I like many of you am thinking of jumping to tegra 2 within the.next year. I personally build pcs for myself and have always been a loyal fan of geforce gpu cards and nforce boards. So when I learned of tegra 2 I nearly creamed my pants. But after modding my phone running midnight I've turned this into a beast. Scoring 1100/2700 in smartbench and 2000 in quadrant I went looking for any benches tegra 2. I found a quadrant bench of the bionic and it scored around 2200. I know benches mean nothing but these scores are pretty close. What do you guys think are gonna be some advantages you see speed wise with tegra? Im trying to determine if the jump would be worth it...
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Tegra 2 will murder Epic's gpu,i would say its 3-4 times more powerfull.But who want Tegra without Super Amoled?lol,not me.
Good point lol I know samsung sucks at updates but I think if they get the sgs2 right ill be looking forward to it. Samoled is amazing. I want a 42 inch samoled tv. Wow I just really thought about that and it sounds amazing.
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lviv73 said:
Tegra 2 will murder Epic's gpu,i would say its 3-4 times more powerfull.But who want Tegra without Super Amoled?lol,not me.
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The Tegra 2 GPU is not 3-4 times more powerful...if anything the GPU is where the Epic is closest to the Tegra 2..(of course the Tegra 2 GPU supports some nice new protocols but in terms of raw power)
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So I like many of you am thinking of jumping to tegra 2 within the.next year. I personally build pcs for myself and have always been a loyal fan of geforce gpu cards and nforce boards. So when I learned of tegra 2 I nearly creamed my pants. But after modding my phone running midnight I've turned this into a beast. Scoring 1100/2700 in smartbench and 2000 in quadrant I went looking for any benches tegra 2. I found a quadrant bench of the bionic and it scored around 2200. I know benches mean nothing but these scores are pretty close. What do you guys think are gonna be some advantages you see speed wise with tegra? Im trying to determine if the jump would be worth it...
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Here is the things to consider besides quadrant being flawed:
1) The Tegra 2 right now is not optimized and is not using the dual core..its only using 1 core..Dual Core support and optimizations will come with Honeycomb..
2) The Hummingbird is also not optimized and will be optimized in Gingerbread
3) The GPU on the Epic dithers at 24bit while Tegra 2 still does 16bit dithering...
4) The GPU on the Epic is FPS locked...so its definitely capable of more..
Its kinda hard to say what the performance will be of both once the smoke clears..but the Tegra 2 is 40nm and is based of Cortex A9 which give it a lot of advantages..the disadvantages would lie in whether or not applications would support dual core and if they will when and how efficiently..
I estimate though Tegra 2 would definitely win on CPU processing from 25%-100% depending on whether or not it can use both cores..and in terms of GPU it would be around the same to 50% better depending if there is dual core support or not...(assuming that we unlock the FPS and find a way to make it dither the same amount of bits)
Edit: Forgot to add a conclusion~~
Conclusion is that a Tegra 2 is definitely an upgrade BUT until Honeycomb comes into play we would definitely be competitive...beyond that we won't be a slouch(I mean people still use EVOs even though ours is superior by a good margin)..but its no question Tegra 2 will surpass us..
Oh and on the Nvidia tibit...I am pretty pissed at them after what they did with the laptops..they have been serving faulty chipsets for laptops for YEARS and bribing manufacturers to use them..which has me pretty pissed...even though I hear latest chipsets 400+ series are ok..but I probably won't be buying a nvidia laptop for a while..desktop gpus are ok with me though..
RushAOZ said:
Good point lol I know samsung sucks at updates but I think if they get the sgs2 right ill be looking forward to it. Samoled is amazing. I want a 42 inch samoled tv. Wow I just really thought about that and it sounds amazing.
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Usually TVs tend to be Passive Matrix OLED and not Active Matrix OLED..anyways..that said I have seen an OLED TV at CES 2011..Don't now exact size it was as I viewed from a distance and had a person distracting me..I think it was 32"-46" somewhere there..and I'll tell you this IT WAS OUT OF THIS WORLD...or more precisely in this world..it was like looking through a glass window and they could pop out any time..thats how realistic it looked...I mean those 3rd TVs are suppose to "come out" but I think thats over-rated..look at an OLED TV and thats where its at..it was simply amazing...
Check out Galaxy S2.
I want the atrix on sprint. Seriously though has spelrint even announced any dual cores coming out this year?
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I want the atrix on sprint. Seriously though has spelrint even announced any dual cores coming out this year?
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I'm sure i wasn't the only one that noticed that none of the big CES phones were for sprint.... I don't think sprint even had a showing at CES
Were waiting for the 12th for they're announcement. The attic does sound amazing... but I don't like Motorola at all. I hate the droids and every moto phone I've had screwed me one way or another. I just hope that sprint nails the best version of the sgs2. Epic 2 4g
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I thought it was Feb 7th?
ort84 said:
I thought it was Feb 7th?
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it Is 8)
http://www.androidcentral.com/whats-sprint-conjuring-feb-7
I'm personally waiting for orion to make the jump to dual core. The tegra 2 is a nice upgrade for a non-hummingbird
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What in your opinion is going to be the best dual core processors? Example tegra, Orion,nvida etc.
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Anybody know the specs on the supposed epic 2?
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Were waiting for the 12th for they're announcement. The attic does sound amazing... but I don't like Motorola at all. I hate the droids and every moto phone I've had screwed me one way or another. I just hope that sprint nails the best version of the sgs2. Epic 2 4g
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That is true of all phones except the razor. That was one well made phone, even see ones at least based off them these days. Those used to not break, remember when cell phones didn't break daily?
I'm sure soon the quadcore in the new ngp psp is going in a phone.
I just doubt seriously that it makes much of a difference at all as android at this point is not capable of running multiple threads from my understanding. The Nvidia GPU in the tegra 2 phones is pretty much on the same performance level as ours so thats not even a factor.
The rumor mill has GB offering up true multi core support on the phone, we will see how that goes, because the rumor mill had froyo supporting it too.
Multi core CPU's are awesome if you are endlessly running multiple cpu intensive tasks, on your phone I doubt you will be.
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What in your opinion is going to be the best dual core processors? Example tegra, Orion,nvida etc.
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Orion! I mean hummingbird is te best single core...so why would samsung pass the crown? Lol but nah the tegra is probably gonna be the worst since its the first, but just because its the worst does not mean its bad at all lol
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What in your opinion is going to be the best dual core processors? Example tegra, Orion,nvida etc.
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Hard to say really...there really is no benchmarks or live phones to tell..
The Tegra 2 seems to support more new specs/features on their GPU...the Orion will be bundled with the MALI-400 and the snapdragon has its Adreno which seems to be promising performance on par with our current Hummignbird but will have a 1.2ghz dual core which might help it in cpu (Though Tegra 2.5 will come this year too with 1.2ghz), the OMAP chose the SGX540 which is hard to say how they will utilize it..
See its kinda a mixed bag...as we don't have any phones to try out..
IF I were to guess out of all the Dual cores this year..the best performance would either be the Tegra 2.5 or the Orion..:/
xjman said:
I'm sure soon the quadcore in the new ngp psp is going in a phone.
I just doubt seriously that it makes much of a difference at all as android at this point is not capable of running multiple threads from my understanding. The Nvidia GPU in the tegra 2 phones is pretty much on the same performance level as ours so thats not even a factor.
The rumor mill has GB offering up true multi core support on the phone, we will see how that goes, because the rumor mill had froyo supporting it too.
Multi core CPU's are awesome if you are endlessly running multiple cpu intensive tasks, on your phone I doubt you will be.
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Multi-core support comes with Honeycomb :/..but yeh the 4 core CPU and a SGX543MP4+ does look rather sweet on that PSP..
I could write a monster post here, since comparing SoC architecture is a hobby of mine.
But, I'm tired, so I'm just going to drop links and say a few words.
http://briefmobile.com/lg-optimus-2x-benchmarked-defies-special-relativity
http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_90715.html
Obviously NVIDIA's stuff has to be taken with a grain of salt (it has a certain amount of marketing spin thrown in) but thus far has been fairly accurate when compared to actual performance numbers.
Samsung is using Tegra 2 (we've caught them accepting orders for large numbers of Tegra 2 processors) so Orion is either still in the works or has been placed on the backburner. TI is prepping their OMAP 4400, which hopefully will feature some tweaks (not something TI is known for however) to keep it competitive with the fairly hard-copy Tegra 2 ARM Cortex-A9.
And let's not forget Qualcomm. They may not be technically using Cortex-A9, but with their license to customize the ARM instruction set and CPU architecture as they see fit (something that NVIDIA, Samsung, and TI haven't paid to do), they have the ability to modify their SoCs to remain competitive, no matter what the other guys do. Their only major drawback is the time and money they need to spend on R&D.
Alright, I didn't want to write a book so I'm going to stop myself here. If you want to see me rattle on for pages about this stuff, read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907182
Mighty442 said:
Dungeon Defender on the Optimus 2X
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Runs exactly the same as it does on my epic, I'm not sure the point with that?
gTen we will see if its there when its released. Until then all those dual cores don't do much.