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So I've been messing around trying to see what I can get going on the froyo front and I'm running into some problems....
first off, froyo isn't a huge fan of the galaxy s hardware...in AVD, when I create the profile in terms of the captivate hardware and it is buggy even in emulation...this doesn't bode well for actual hardware use. Maybe I'm just really bad at development but I dunno...
So secondly, on the phone itself I thought i'd try to just send over the image to see if the phone would even accept it. While the bootloader seems to be fine and not too worried about accepting an image (the touchwiz 2.1) it doesn't want to accept the buggy froyo.
So i've given it some shots, but its gonna take someone or a group of people who're smarter than me to see why the bootloader isn't really unlocked and why the avd doesn't like the galaxy s hardware specifications
I brought up the possibility of not being able to run Froyo without it being officially released by Samsung first on the Phandroid forums and repeatedly was assured that it'd only be a matter of time until Froyo was released on it.
This is disappointing
Intervenient said:
I brought up the possibility of not being able to run Froyo without it being officially released by Samsung first on the Phandroid forums and repeatedly was assured that it'd only be a matter of time until Froyo was released on it.
This is disappointing
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well it should work without it being specifically released (see aria, and every old HTC) but for some reason it's not. I'm probably just doing something wrong... i was a WM dev then an iPhone dev, I'm just learning the whole android development stuff
Read up on behold 2 development on androidforums.com and Eugene_ 373's forum on androidspin.com its very similar in structure to the galaxy s brand of phones. You can't expect Samsung phones and HTC phones to be in anyway simular. They use different file systems and partitions. So it is not a cut and paste job you need to do some heavy hacking.
psychoace said:
Read up on behold 2 development on androidforums.com and Eugene_ 373's forum on androidspin.com its very similar in structure to the galaxy s brand of phones. You can't expect Samsung phones and HTC phones to be in anyway simular. They use different file systems and partitions. So it is not a cut and paste job you need to do some heavy hacking.
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Do you think it can be done? Will we see Froyo before Samsung releases it?
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Do you think it can be done? Will we see Froyo before Samsung releases it?
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I and pretty much everyone that has followed the behold 2 debacle on androidforums.com have major doubts but I still believe there is potential. That's as much as I can say because some people on here don't like the fact that I don't have the same blind optimism as they do.
Also here are some posts that might help
http://forum.androidspin.com/showthread.php?p=12840#post12840
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-behold-2/
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-behold-2/63246-dev-needed-2-1-running-behold-2-a.html
Also I still might get a captivate if some good dev work is done. I don't need froyo before Samsung releases it and most of the added function provided by hacked and rooted roms can be added on to samsung roms. I am not getting a new phone for another month so if it looks like there is a lot of dev work done to this phone by then I will stay Samsung even though it might not get gingerbread.
psychoace said:
I and pretty much everyone that has followed the behold 2 debacle on androidforums.com have major doubts but I still believe there is potential. That's as much as I can say because some people on here don't like the fact that I don't have the same blind optimism as they do.
Also here are some posts that might help
http://forum.androidspin.com/showthread.php?p=12840#post12840
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-behold-2/
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-behold-2/63246-dev-needed-2-1-running-behold-2-a.html
Also I still might get a captivate if some good dev work is done. I don't need froyo before Samsung releases it and most of the added function provided by hacked and rooted roms can be added on to samsung roms. I am not getting a new phone for another month so if it looks like there is a lot of dev work done to this phone by then I will stay Samsung even though it might not get gingerbread.
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Just doing a quick Twitter search for "iphone captivate" yields 80% of the peope tweeting something along the lines of leaving their iPhone 4 for a captivate. Lets hope the Dev's share the same thoughts.
Hey I would just like to know if the Galaxy S has something. Can you go into Apps managment and look for an app called "device managment"? If it's there and at 40+ mb's then that is a recovery rom. It is a duplicate of your starting rom. You can clear it most likely to regain space but after a reboot it will come back. There is another partition on the phone that stores the rom and the phone will run a check on boot up to make sure it's there. If not then it replaces it. It can be hacked out permanently but I know the Galaxy S doesn't really have any issues about storage space.
psychoace said:
I and pretty much everyone that has followed the behold 2 debacle on androidforums.com have major doubts but I still believe there is potential. That's as much as I can say because some people on here don't like the fact that I don't have the same blind optimism as they do.
Also here are some posts that might help
http://forum.androidspin.com/showthread.php?p=12840#post12840
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-behold-2/
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-behold-2/63246-dev-needed-2-1-running-behold-2-a.html
Also I still might get a captivate if some good dev work is done. I don't need froyo before Samsung releases it and most of the added function provided by hacked and rooted roms can be added on to samsung roms. I am not getting a new phone for another month so if it looks like there is a lot of dev work done to this phone by then I will stay Samsung even though it might not get gingerbread.
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Very much apperciated, and the links were helpful on how this all will go down. This greatly changes on if I'll keep my Captivate. I know you should be happy with the phone you have, not the one you'll get, but I don't think I can stomach having a phone that won't be supported come Q4.
If the galaxy phones sell well it will be supported. They do have some phones that have gone from 1.5 to 2.1. Just don't expect any haste out of there crew
The fact that there will be an official release of 2.2 is whats keeping most devs from putting time into it. I know I wouldn't want to put a lot of effort into something just to have an official release come out before development is done.
Phlip00ws6 said:
The fact that there will be an official release of 2.2 is whats keeping most devs from putting time into it. I know I wouldn't want to put a lot of effort into something just to have an official release come out before development is done.
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true...
I was just messing around with the sdk and whatnot and thought what the hell I have a spare I might as well try
but i guess it's above my head. I'm gonna keep reading up on it though, I'm not the best coder (my expertise lies in c++) but I can surely give it a shot
Phlip00ws6 said:
The fact that there will be an official release of 2.2 is whats keeping most devs from putting time into it. I know I wouldn't want to put a lot of effort into something just to have an official release come out before development is done.
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Tell that to Cyanogen and Avalaunchmods and Herver who are all making FroYo ROMs for the Evo.
This sucks. I was kinda looking into replacing my 9700 with the Captivate and keeping at&t and Sprint both...
Phlip00ws6 said:
The fact that there will be an official release of 2.2 is whats keeping most devs from putting time into it. I know I wouldn't want to put a lot of effort into something just to have an official release come out before development is done.
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wrong.
See above post and also thing about the nexus one. 2.2 was released via cyanogen before it was officially released to the public.
And why would you want the official release from Samsung, which would still have the ATT junk and TW3.0, I want STOCK.
andy2na said:
wrong.
See above post and also thing about the nexus one. 2.2 was released via cyanogen before it was officially released to the public.
And why would you want the official release from Samsung, which would still have the ATT junk and TW3.0, I want STOCK.
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Yeah being able to remove the bloatware and using launcher pro and some of the stock Android apps like music is nice but still having to leave any TouchWiz stuff there is annoying. It will be the same on the official release just with 2.2 so I don't see why there wouldn't already be development for a custom ROM for captivate based off the stock Froyo 2.2 straight from Google. In fact this reminds me that I need to keep reading up and playing around so I might be able to do something even though it would only be for future development.
I'm not as concerned about 2.2 as 3.0...
If someone can get 2.2 running on this, then it bodes well for getting 3.0 running on this as well.
TexUs said:
I'm not as concerned about 2.2 as 3.0...
If someone can get 2.2 running on this, then it bodes well for getting 3.0 running on this as well.
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This. I'd love to see Gingerbread on this phone.
Can't help but feel as if the samsung fascinate dev scene is dead until the release of froyo. Especially since all the core work is already completed with compiled kernels, recovery, base roms and voodoo. The only thing worth changing anymore are themes and I haven't even been doing that. Correct me if im wrong but I came from a droid 1 and even at 2.1 the dev scene was way bigger.
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What exactly are you looking for? You can rearrange roms only so many times... I switched roms (d1) quite a fews times and realized there were never any significant improvements...
What this dev community has given us is decent (well maybe some more themes lol) until froyo comes about..
It would be nice to have more roms and such but you get what you get.
I noticed that too. When I had my D1, there were ROMS out the ass! Then I switched to this and have been very let down. If you want a boring theme, you're in luck! Otherwise, not so much.
I think part of the reason more people didn't jump on roms was because Samsung announced it would deliver FroYo within a month after release so creating huge numbers of 2.1 roms wasn't worthwhile at the time.
It's more or less a waiting game for 2.2 now. I think the devs are just waiting for it to drop before doing more serious work on the roms (at least a couple of people I know are).
I imagine it won't be too much farther out, within a month or so...
We saw the international version get froyo, and the Epic got theirs over the weekend, Vibrant was expected on Dec 1 but due to some circumstances it got pushed back a week or so by T-Mobile.
Stop complaining, devs are always busy and frankly do everything for us for free, these things take alot of time and effort. Frankly I'm amazed we have so much, the fascinate isn't the flagship that the D1 was for verizon despite how sexy its hardware is. And to be honest its hard, to imagine my phone getting much better than it is now with dj05 the latest voodoo 5 build and some awesome themer goodness.
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Accused187 said:
I think part of the reason more people didn't jump on roms was because Samsung announced it would deliver FroYo within a month after release so creating huge numbers of 2.1 roms wasn't worthwhile at the time.
It's more or less a waiting game for 2.2 now. I think the devs are just waiting for it to drop before doing more serious work on the roms (at least a couple of people I know are).
I imagine it won't be too much farther out, within a month or so...
We saw the international version get froyo, and the Epic got theirs over the weekend, Vibrant was expected on Dec 1 but due to some circumstances it got pushed back a week or so by T-Mobile.
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Sounds about right our device came out last to, I'm going samsung gives us an early christmas present, come here car dock audio out =D
what exactly is it you guys are looking for?
there are new kernels every day and the roms that are out are fine...theres really only so many ways you can reconfigure a touchwiz based rom anyway until there is an aosp breakthrough
I'm just happy to have what we currently have now.
Rockin' DJ05, Minimal Icognito, with Voodoo5
If Samsung released decent source code, there may be more ROMs than what is available now, but they didn't so everything had to be just stripped down versions of what shipped with the phone. The devs have been trying to get an AOSP rom going, but I don't know the status of that.
I think there would be some AOSP roms out there. Feels like all the roms out there are based of JTs and the others are just themed. Love the kernal development from everyone. I'm actually rocking a stock rom with StupidFast because I prefer the stock feel. I wouldn't mind a nice stock rom with the some memory management improvements, removed bloat and bing removed.
nitsuj17 said:
what exactly is it you guys are looking for?
there are new kernels every day and the roms that are out are fine...theres really only so many ways you can reconfigure a touchwiz based rom anyway until there is an aosp breakthrough
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I've been wondering for a while, what would it mean to have an aosp breakthrough? That is, what is holding things up, and once this is resolved will future versions of aosp be easier to build? Feel free to be very technical and precise if that's what it takes to explain, and thanks! I love your theme.
Hey all, tried searching the forum to make sure this already wasnt posted up, and found nothing, so here it goes!
While doing some homework on the latest official ICS release for the SGS2, came across a thread somebody linked up in the SGS2 forums regarding the new firmware release, with that was some new info on new firmware to come for the SGS1 and other devices by months end! Looks like this could be that "Value Pack" that was leaked/talked about some months back. Although not ICS, at least Samsung still have the First gen galaxy still in mind - Check the link from their Facebook page! Apologies if this is already posted up somewhere, if not, go nuts peeps and start getting excited i guess
https://www.facebook.com/notes/sams...dwich-upgrade-for-galaxy-s-ii/390405030989148
Good spot!
Wonder if it will be enough for people to switch back from the various custom roms, doubt it though. I'm happy with MIUI until phone upgrade time comes around.
szqnl said:
Good spot!
Wonder if it will be enough for people to switch back from the various custom roms, doubt it though. I'm happy with MIUI until phone upgrade time comes around.
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Majority of people with SGS are not on custom roms so it's good for them I guess.
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Fremen567 said:
Majority of people with SGS are not on custom roms so it's good for them I guess.
Don't drink and tapatalk.
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Not in this case.... If they do the same as with the ICS of SGS2, (but without ICS, just their crapy mod) you better look for a good custom ICS or enjoy gingerbread for the rest of you life...! Seriously, aosp ICSSGS works tremendously, you can consider it almost as stock ROM, and forget about Samsung and their ****...
Not to mention some carriers like Bell here in Canada are unlikely to push another update. Pretty sure they will leave it with the crappy 2.3.3 rom.
It may be interesting to see what they come up with but I doubt it will compare to ICS ports like ICSSGS. The big question will be lag and UI jerkiness: ICSSGS has almost none, it's night and day compare to any of the 2.1-2.3.x Samsung roms I've run.
It's probably just referring to the official release of the JVU value pack.
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Not in this case.... If they do the same as with the ICS of SGS2, (but without ICS, just their crapy mod) you better look for a good custom ICS or enjoy gingerbread for the rest of you life...! Seriously, aosp ICSSGS works tremendously, you can consider it almost as stock ROM, and forget about Samsung and their ****...
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As I said it's good for not-xda folks. And that translates to most of SGS owners.
Don't drink and tapatalk.
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It's probably just referring to the official release of the JVU value pack.
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More than likely. But its been some time since that leaked, so no doubt the bugs that were present should be ironed out hopefully by now!
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Not to mention some carriers like Bell here in Canada are unlikely to push another update. Pretty sure they will leave it with the crappy 2.3.3 rom.
It may be interesting to see what they come up with but I doubt it will compare to ICS ports like ICSSGS. The big question will be lag and UI jerkiness: ICSSGS has almost none, it's night and day compare to any of the 2.1-2.3.x Samsung roms I've run.
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I can almost guarantee there wont be an update for carrier branded variants around the globe, just too much work for them in their eyes to deliver updates when they can sell something new an updated, and continue with the same cycle! Just look at the US, all the variants for each carrier and pretty much no love which has to suck! Whereas this news relates to unbranded handsets, which gets looked after just fine IMHO. Ok, updates arent always flying through but who really cares, as long as it works! I have an unlocked i9000 (euro version) and am now on the official JW1 (via kies) and have not had a single problem what so ever! But ill take whatever update that comes. If it keeps my SGS kicking till the S3 arrives, then im happy. Just good to hear Samsung is taking this stuff seriously. Again may not be ICS but still good on them for doing something. People can keep blaming Samsung for lack of updates, but most that do that are on branded handsets and should be hounding their carriers for an update!
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Not to mention some carriers like Bell here in Canada are unlikely to push another update. Pretty sure they will leave it with the crappy 2.3.3 rom.
It may be interesting to see what they come up with but I doubt it will compare to ICS ports like ICSSGS. The big question will be lag and UI jerkiness: ICSSGS has almost none, it's night and day compare to any of the 2.1-2.3.x Samsung roms I've run.
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really, 2.3.3? That's insulting! Could they pick any worse firmware to stick to? Anyway, carrier policy it's always hilarious... Why on earth has the galaxy mini better firmware than the galaxy S? (I know the answer, rhetorical question!)
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As I said it's good for not-xda folks. And that translates to most of SGS owners.
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Anyway, I don't think those customers will care at all... Cause if they cared, they wouldn't hesitate to flash any custom... I just think this value pack is useless whatsoever.
im still using the s2 ive been due an upgrade for about 3 months now but cant decide to go for the s4 or wait for the s5,
do you think its worth waiting for the s5
thanks
grakon said:
im still using the s2 ive been due an upgrade for about 3 months now but cant decide to go for the s4 or wait for the s5,
do you think its worth waiting for the s5
thanks
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Only you can decide that. Look up the proposed features of the S5 and then see what the S4 offers and make a decision. I would wait until it is definitely known what the specs and features of the S5 will be because it's just speculation now. Also, do as much reading as possible. Just about any possible question about the S4 has been asked and answered, just use the search function to find those answers.
One more thing. If you wait for the S5, wait until the developers edition or GE edition is released. Maybe even get the International S5 version if it is proven to work with AT&T LTE (which it should). DO not get the carrier branded version unless locked bootloaders and bloat is what you are looking for. Also, look into the KNOX issues to see if it further cripples the phones ability to be customized. If it does, you will probably be better going with another brand. But, like I said, you need to read and decide for yourself. Good luck.
Personally I don't think it's worth the wait. As for the s4 it's a good phone but there are other great phones out at the moment. If I was in your shoes I would consider the nexus 5 HTC one and LG g2 as alternative options. There is the note 3 but that depends on if your willing to carry a 5.7 inch screen with you.
Also now that I've had the s4 for a while I honestly got bored with it. I was hoping 4.3 would breath life back into it but it's just about the same. As for safestrap it helped but shortly got bored with ROMs and went back to stock. For my next upgrade I'll try another brand.
interesting replys thanks for that seems like i got a bit of reading to
i was thinking of going for the s5 cause ive been more than happy with the s2 for the last 2 years and i would imagine the s5 when its released will be a full spec phone
grakon said:
interesting replys thanks for that seems like i got a bit of reading to
i was thinking of going for the s5 cause ive been more than happy with the s2 for the last 2 years and i would imagine the s5 when its released will be a full spec phone
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The future of flashing custom Roms is getting harder with new phones coming out so keep that in mind, if you don't mind not flashing custom Roms than the s5 would be a great phone.
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Stay far away from the official ATT S4, they locked this phone down so tight, no custom Recovery, no flashing fresh new ROM's. It totally sucks, and is a very disturbing trend from ATT. Even the new Note 3 got the shaft Development on the ATT Note 3 is NONEXISTENT.
Even though I do love my S4, great smartphone, but if you get an MF3, or MJ9 version, your screwed.
If you got the cash, and want an S4, get the Google Play Edition, or find an International S4 on eBay.
I sure hope ATT isn't going to continue this in the future, locking down all new phones, and killing development ?
At least the ATT HTC One is totally developer friendly, it can be rooted, recovery, and S-Off no problem.
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Probably best served if all future discussion goes here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2433789
When I first bought the note 3, I was really hoping to flash roms every week as I've done with my past HTC phones, but no luck.
I'm not complaining here, but I understand the lock-down of the bootloader, but any of you other rom flashers out there feel what I feel?
When I look at the other forum's I wish our stupid bootloader was unlocked and devs would make kernels and roms for it and I'd be flashing to my hearts desire?
Am I the only one???
I assure you that you are not alone. Lots of us used to flash lots of roms on previous devices but now that I have tried the roms for this phone I have stuck with Jasmine for a couple months now. I only get to flash when there is an update now.
Me as well. | am happy to be able to do the little I can though.
Come tax refund time though Im going Note 4 unlocked on someone other than verizon
Kicking Deuce on the Beast, Note 3
There hasn't been the plethora of roms that I had hoped for but we do have quality over quantity IMO. We are in uncharted waters as devices seem to get harder to root and flash custom roms. Especially with Hashcode retiring things are really up in the air...
I do agree that the quality is good. I've been on Jasmine 2.3 for a long time. I haven't upgraded to 2.3.4 because it's so smooth and I've had 0 problems other than the 2nd incoming call bug. I'm waiting for 2.4 so I can get a fresh update. All in all great phone and works flawlessly with my gear 2.
Traded mine for an S5. Haven't regretted it one single time! For a recent phone this place is dead!