Database Users

!!!green colored!!!

RANT ON:
While happily chugging along on some of the stuff that I hope to release to you all, I've made a very disturbing discovery, which makes me feel almost like the Big Man turning green. Angry. Pissed. Greatly disappointed!
First some background.
Everyone worth their 'droid knows about the Cease & Desist letter sent to Cyanogen.
Many of us know the same happened to Conflipper from Shipped ROMs.
Rumor has it the same happened to samsung-firmwares.com
Yet it appears there are still people around who like poking at the beehive (yes, killer bees!) that is the phone industry and their armies of lawyers. Things that are GUARANTEED to piss them off BigTime.
I'm not going to drop list of names here, I hope their conscience will speak to them on a quiet night or something.
The morale?
STOP CHARGING MONEY FOR THINGS THAT AREN'T YOURS TO SELL!
HELP PEOPLE GET WHAT THEY CAN ALREADY GET FOR FREE!
Besides being against the rules of most mod/tweak/hack forums out there, charging for someone else's stuff is probably the biggest reason for lawyers to go after websites hosting 'official', 'unofficial', 'leaked' etc. ROMs: lawyers merely have to google for "premium membership", "costs", "donations" etcetera.
Please people, stop doing this, or there will be a time when Samsung, Sony, HTC, LG, Motorola, Nokia and whoever else will simply pull the plug on online firmware updates and start telling people to take their phones to the shop for updating, eFuse and all. Needless to say, the vibe of the modding community will suffer with it.
I was the first (as far as I can tell) to post about Kies test mode, I'm willing to put time and effort in making a tool to allow people to update to and backup ANY firmware using just Kies (no need even for a registry hack), maybe even use Kies update module on non-Windows OSes (well, those that support Wine), help with developing Heimdall, fixing the FM radio, etcetera. Please allow others and me to go on doing this.
So:
- Don't steal others' work only to lock it up and start charging money for using it.
- Be honest and open about your discoveries.
- Be respectful of the services you use, don't hammer them needlessly.
...and the list goes on.
RANT OFF
What's this all about? No need to pay for firmware update requests, use Kies and one or two simple, free tools (coming soon) to get them. Less noise in the forums about the inner workings, which could attract angry lawyers from far away.
That's all.

Well said mista, lets hope some take note.

i mean really?

I thought samsung-firmwares.com got a cease and desist because of having Samsung in the name and make people assume they own and are responsible for the site...thats why Samsung-firmwares made a new site with a different name..

Hmm, why mention Cyanogen's cease and desist letter in a post that has nothing to do with him whatsoever? It's not like Cyanogen was asking money for anything and the reason behind his C&D was entirely different.
As for Samsung-firmwares.com, they had it coming and got what they deserved (and obviously didn't get it at all, looking at their current activities...)

Case_ said:
Hmm, why mention Cyanogen's cease and desist letter in a post that has nothing to do with him whatsoever? It's not like Cyanogen was asking money for anything and the reason behind his C&D was entirely different.
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True, he wasn't asking money. I added him to show that lawyers can be set off barking at anyone involved in hosting OR selling someone elses intellectual property. I should have been more clear about that.
As much as I think that IP is just imaginary property, I cherish the modding community and their great work too much. I'd hate to see the same happening to us.

Hah! Just seen the new Samsung firmwares temporary page. This is just priceless. For those who don't understand Czech, they say there that everyone from Czech republic is blocked from the site and can't even register for their "premium services", because, apparently, "Czech people were spreading our firmwares illegally".
Edit: Sorry. As it was just explained to me by the owner of Samsung firmwares, the site on that URL has nothing to do with them anymore and apparently is someone's idea of a great joke...

The best way to convey your message to Samsung is via Facebook & Twitter

List of Facebook Samsung's accounts related to our cause:
Mobile Department
Samsung Mobile
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobile#!/SamsungMobile?v=wall
Samsung Mobile Canada
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungCanada#!/samsungmobilecanada?v=wall
Samsung Mobile España
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...ges/Samsung-Mobile-Espana/108610811866?v=wall
Samsung Mobile Global
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileGlobal#!/SamsungMobileGlobal?v=wall
Samsung Mobile Romania
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileRomania
Samsung Mobile Singapore
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileSingapore#!/SamsungMobileSingapore?v=wall
Samsung Mobile UK
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungUKmobile#!/SamsungUKmobile?v=wall
another Samsung Mobile ?
http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=72687635881&v=wall
Country
Canada
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungCanada#!/SamsungCanada?v=wall
Korea
http://www.facebook.com/samsungkorea#!/samsungkorea?v=wall
USA
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungUSA?v=app_264732985926#!/SamsungUSA?v=wall
Models fan base pages?
Samsung Galaxy S
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...pages/Samsung-Galaxy-S/112079458807762?v=wall
Samsung Galaxy S Romania
http://www.facebook.com/i9000GalaxyS
Samsung Captivate
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...ages/Samsung-Captivate/114820871900462?v=wall
Samsung Epic ?
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungEpic#!/SamsungEpic?v=wall
Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant ?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...msung-Galaxy-S-Vibrant/129061660469467?v=wall
Unknowns
Engineering ?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsung-Engineering/105652329467423?v=desc
Service ?
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungService#!/SamsungService?v=wall
Samsung ?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsung/25448656869#!/pages/Samsung/25448656869?v=wall
Samsung Apps ?
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungApps?filter=2#!/SamsungApps?v=wall
If anyone can confirm which ones are official and which ones are fan based, it'll be greatly appreciated.
The ones in the Mobile Department and Country specific are definitely legit, anything else are most likely fan based sites.
- NEW full list of legit Samsung Twitter accounts -
http://twitter.com/Samsung/lists

And where to write them now, that their filessytem is bad, and thy should use another one? like ext2/4
i think this is why you posted it here, cause we were talking about an official letter by xda, about what we found out etc.
and you said its better to contact them via facebook.
so any idea how to start something big, that they notice, they have to change the FS and fix gps and all other problems?

the way we did it last time to get the 3 button fix, is simply by everyone posting into the wall about the problem
the more people that post the better
so everyone needs to join in to comment on the problem about the lag, so that they can fix it

Thank you for these links. Very nice organised list!

thank you for sharing these infos,i just sent a e-mail to the samsung, through facebook i think is a better way to contact with them.

It's a good list....... and I thank you for your efforts in trying to build a forward list of users wishing to express their opinions.
Unfortunately Facebook (or any other portal for obtaining information) does not interest Samsung.
I and many others have already posted on Facebook and not once has Samsung come back.
An example being in the past week quite a few have posted asking for a Froyo update..... When Samsung finally came back (and it was just the once) they spouted off about a competition. They totally dismissed any of the pleas and have not been heard of since.
I've also tried on Twitter which according to the UK P.R. Manager for Samsung is the media of choice.
Again, NOTHING!

I still think direct communication and getting the news to tech sites (Engadget, Phandroid ect) could be much more effective.
You really expect the engineers are Samsung to browse Facebook and read the loads of crap that their pages get flooded with? Professionals have better things to do with their time.
Direct communication can get through to high ranking people and developers, seeing news about their software screw-ups on major websites will encourage them to act.

Maddmatt said:
I still think direct communication and getting the news to tech sites (Engadget, Phandroid ect) could be much more effective.
You really expect the engineers are Samsung to browse Facebook and read the loads of crap that their pages get flooded with? Professionals have better things to do with their time.
Direct communication can get through to high ranking people and developers, seeing news about their software screw-ups on major websites will encourage them to act.
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That is also my opinion.
Again I commend AllGamer in trying to inject enthusiasm into this issue but I personally have found the direct line of approach to be more rewarding...... even if it still does not bear fruit at this stage.

Samsung Mobile Romania
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileRomania
Samsung Galaxy S Romania
http://www.facebook.com/i9000GalaxyS

Sales people and Marketing team cares about Image, and when you pressure the sales team, they will get into action.
I've been through many large companies, the companies runs based on the feedback from Sales/Marketing team
It doesn't matter what was the big picture the Development Team had in their plans, all that will go up in smoke the moment the Sales Team announce another "feature" or "new product" even though it wasn't even on the original road map, the Developers will have to do a full 180 to go and work on the new stuff the Sales people are selling, even though it's all vaporware.
the GPS issue we know they are working on it already, although they never officially admitted it
We did it with the 3 button SPL fix, and we got results, we can do it again with the Lag issue as well.
The reason it worked is because everyone chirped in, when you do it on your own, or with just a few people, it wont work, you need the support of the masses.
As long as everyone pitch in and give them the same message they'll have to acknowledge it

Good points. It's not impossible to take both approaches of course.

Cheers for this. Almost worth signing up to Facebook again - almost. As someone else has said, at least in the UK, Samsung's preferred social media site is Twitter. And if you look through tweets mentioning @samsungukmobile, all you'll see is lots of people being ignored. By all means give it a try, but personally, I'd recommend not putting all of one's eggs in one basket, so to speak. Instead bombard them through all available communication channels - e-mail, Twitter and Facebook. And wherever else you can think of...

AllGamer said:
Sales people and Marketing team cares about Image, and when you pressure the sales team, they will get into action.
I've been through many large companies, the companies runs based on the feedback from Sales/Marketing team
It doesn't matter what was the big picture the Development Team had in their plans, all that will go up in smoke the moment the Sales Team announce another "feature" or "new product" even though it wasn't even on the original road map, the Developers will have to do a full 180 to go and work on the new stuff the Sales people are selling, even though it's all vaporware.
the GPS issue we know they are working on it already, although they never officially admitted it
We did it with the 3 button SPL fix, and we got results, we can do it again with the Lag issue as well.
The reason it worked is because everyone chirped in, when you do it on your own, or with just a few people, it wont work, you need the support of the masses.
As long as everyone pitch in and give them the same message they'll have to acknowledge it
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You are correct about Sales and Marketing.
A large Multi-National company was evaluating a product I developed under an exclusive option.
R&D loved it and had all kinds of plans for it.
Sales and Marketing didn't know what to do with it.
At the end of the option period it was dropped.
Head of R&D resigned in reaction to the decision.
In the end, Sales and Marketing rule.
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Valeo said:
Cheers for this. Almost worth signing up to Facebook again - almost. As someone else has said, at least in the UK, Samsung's preferred social media site is Twitter. And if you look through tweets mentioning @samsungukmobile, all you'll see is lots of people being ignored. By all means give it a try, but personally, I'd recommend not putting all of one's eggs in one basket, so to speak. Instead bombard them through all available communication channels - e-mail, Twitter and Facebook. And wherever else you can think of...
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That was me.... On that, Samsung have not posted on that page since the 20th Sep but what is worse is I have replied sending two tweets and not one has shown up on their twitter page.
Have a go.... post a message to @samsungukmobile and I bet your message does not show up on their page.
Now I know why it is their page of preference..... Tweets are being deleted.

this is why we need an organized effort to post on their walls, tweets, emails from all fronts
Their sales/marketing people can't spend a whole week deleting messages from their accounts

Beards said:
That was me.... On that, Samsung have not posted on that page since the 20th Sep but what is worse is I have replied sending two tweets and not one has shown up on their twitter page.
Have a go.... post a message to @samsungukmobile and I bet your message does not show up on their page.
Now I know why it is their page of preference..... Tweets are being deleted.
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Yup. Been there, done that, still waiting for a response. They're not deleting tweets btw, as they're only being mentioned so don't have the power. Instead, they're just ignoring them, because they're wankers.

that's the difference with Facebook, they can't just ignore it
and if they Delete it from facebook, then you know they did read it but did not want to touch that topic
yet if they leave it on their facebook page, they will get criticized if they don't answer it

Beards said:
It's a good list....... and I thank you for your efforts in trying to build a forward list of users wishing to express their opinions.
Unfortunately Facebook (or any other portal for obtaining information) does not interest Samsung.
I and many others have already posted on Facebook and not once has Samsung come back.
An example being in the past week quite a few have posted asking for a Froyo update..... When Samsung finally came back (and it was just the once) they spouted off about a competition. They totally dismissed any of the pleas and have not been heard of since.
I've also tried on Twitter which according to the UK P.R. Manager for Samsung is the media of choice.
Again, NOTHING!
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It does work we got Samsung Canada to release the 3 button update.. Via Facebook... After a few post about the problem Samsung Canada replied that they are looking into to the issue.. they even asked for more info from some users.... about 1 week later Samsung Canada updated us saying they found the problem and would be release a fix soon.. a few days later the update was released. and they even thank some people for bringing the issue forward to them.

TriC_101 said:
It does work we got Samsung Canada to release the 3 button update.. Via Facebook... After a few post about the problem Samsung Canada replied that they are looking into to the issue.. they even asked for more info from some users.... about 1 week later Samsung Canada updated us saying they found the problem and would be release a fix soon.. a few days later the update was released. and they even thank some people for bringing the issue forward to them.
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Suggest a fix to the lag then... hehe

TriC_101 said:
It does work we got Samsung Canada to release the 3 button update.. Via Facebook... After a few post about the problem Samsung Canada replied that they are looking into to the issue.. they even asked for more info from some users.... about 1 week later Samsung Canada updated us saying they found the problem and would be release a fix soon.. a few days later the update was released. and they even thank some people for bringing the issue forward to them.
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Bear in mind that, just because something works for one national arm of the company, it doesn't mean that it will always work for others...

Motorola Bootloader Petition (>10K sigs & Moto Response)

Visit Groubal and sign the petition: http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
Retweet: http://twitter.com/#!/ibproud/status/52265679990169600
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/unlockmoto
UPDATE (14th June 2011):
We are now over the 10,000 mark.​
I have now spoken with Motorola and gotten confirmation that Motorola plan to unlock every device that will get an update in the second half of this year. This will include maintenance & firmware updates, but is still subject to Carrier approval.
The promising sign is that Verizon has already allowed Motorola to unlock a device on their network, the Xoom, which utilizes the unlockable/re-lockable model that Motorola intends on using across their devices.
I'm still looking to work with Motorola in the coming months to help see if we can make this a smooth process for Motorola and the community.
You can read the article here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/06/14/an-u...witter&utm_campaign=Feed:+ausdroid+(Ausdroid)
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
UPDATE (26th April 2011):
We are now at ~8,700 mark.​
Motorola has now responded to me, stating that they are looking at unlocking bootloaders across their devices late 2011.
The article for the story can be found here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/04/26/the-little-aussie-taking-on-motorola-u-s/#more-8184
We're still seeking clarity around whether this will be for current devices or only future devices.
I couldn't have gotten this far without the support of everyone here. You guys and girls have been a huge support and help me turn this snowball into a wrecking ball.
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
Previous Update (4th April 2011):
We are now at ~7600 mark.​
We're starting to slow down from our initial boom, so I have now set up a Facebook page to see if we can wrangle in some supporters that don't use Twitter or XDA.
I will need your help getting this out there. So share the facebook page where you can.
I'm also looking to see if anyone is interested in helping me Moderate the page. Please PM if you are.
Original Post:
Hi All,
I have created a Groubal (online petition) to get a response from Motorola on it's bootloader policy.
>>This petition started for the Atrix, but I made sure that it was for Motorola's overall Bootloader Policy. I have reached 200 signatures in 2 weeks, but now believe it's time to expand this out of the Atrix space and into the larger Motorola Dev community.

You guys and your silly petitions. They wont and don't ha e to do anything.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App

DarrellRaines said:
You guys and your silly petitions. They wont and don't ha e to do anything.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
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What can I say, I'm idealistic.

IMO waste of time.
Moto thinks they're God. Also, odds are your gorilla glass will be cracked before this bootloader.
On the other hand, class-action lawsuit is more appealing. Somehow get a lawyer to argue the users right to UTILIZE the hardware, as moto isn't. Lawsuits are the only thing corporations understand.
I did sign it, but I got no hopes...

tical2k said:
IMO waste of time.
Moto thinks they're God. Also, odds are your gorilla glass will be cracked before this bootloader.
On the other hand, class-action lawsuit is more appealing. Somehow get a lawyer to argue the users right to UTILIZE the hardware, as moto isn't. Lawsuits are the only thing corporations understand.
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While litigation may be the way in the U.S. it is not the way in the land down under. We have Government appointed watchdogs that provide avenues for complaints and comments. If a complaint is sufficiently raised to an Ombudsman the company the complaint is about is charged a fee for every day the complaint is not resolved.
Unfortunately the Atrix is not commercially available in Australia and thus I cannot pursue this in a typical Australian way.
If suing the pants of Motorola is likely to work, then I encourage any U.S. Citizens to do so (but only after carefully considering the cause and affect).
I am simply encouraging everyone to focus their complaints rather than spreading it across so many channels and losing it's potency.
Also: in all honesty, it's not really wasting that much time, since I would normally be wasting this time flashing experimental Roms, which I can't do due to obvious readons.

Signed and linked to on Facebook. It's no more a waste of time than flashing a rom...
edit hehe. You beat me to the waste of time comment

Signed it just a second ago!

I'll sign but this has a much lower chance of succeeding than the AT&T service petition, and I'm not convinced we'll see many results from that one.

CC Lemon said:
I'll sign but this has a much lower chance of succeeding than the AT&T service petition, and I'm not convinced we'll see many results from that one.
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But there's no harm in trying is there?
I think that when compared with the DroidX and Droid2, this phone will be available around the world. Verizon is one of the only carriers that still uses CDMA and thus smaller consumer base for the Droid series Motorola phones.
Once the Global Atrix's are released we should see a lot more attention as well as the European Unions attitude towards anti-competitive behaviour might force an inquiry.
Once again, I'm a tad idealistic and am very keen for your support as well as your constructive feedback.

signed~! but i only put 1% of my hopes in this and the rest 99% in the developers to crack the bootloader themselves!!

I support your cause; I have signed.

irenic said:
signed~! but i only put 1% of my hopes in this and the rest 99% in the developers to crack the bootloader themselves!!
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Well put. I signed.

With the new SBF file available we could start seeing more development, but would still be great to hear something from Motorola.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=989577

haha.. as if motorola cares. you already bought, its a done deal! they even promised 1080p recording on the specs sheet followed by "(in the future update)".. i seriously dont think there will be an update on this thing..
before you buy, they promise lots of things, "in the future update".
after you gave buy and after a while try asking for the update.. these f*cktards will just say... "what update?"
my hope leans more on supporting the developers who are working hard to crack this wonderful device.. rather than wasting time begging to motorola after you shelled out that sum.

noblewolf said:
haha.. as if motorola cares. you already bought, its a done deal! they even promised 1080p recording on the specs sheet followed by "(in the future update)".. i seriously dont think there will be an update on this thing..
before you buy, they promise lots of things, "in the future update".
after you gave buy and after a while try asking for the update.. these f*cktards will just say... "what update?"
my hope leans more on supporting the developers who are working hard to crack this wonderful device.. rather than wasting time begging to motorola after you shelled out that sum.
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Completely agree, but in all honesty, I had the time to waste.
The Dev's really are the ones that will get the bootloader unlocked or bypassed before motorola even decides to do anything.
The Dev threads are starting to get really exciting.
Sent from my MB860

Just a reminder to anyone who wants to get an official statement from Motorola to go to http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
and tweet or facebook to as many as you can.

Continuing the Battle
So we're up near the 200 signature mark now for the Petition. I've been in touch with Motorola about 6 times in the last 2 weeks, not giving up on this one though.
My last response from them was:
Dear Irwin,
I do apologize but there is no definite timeframe yet for the announcement of the bootloader solution for our mobile phones. Updates for the Motorola ATRIX will be posted first at http://www.motorola.com/Support/CA-EN/Consumer-Support/Mobile-Phones/ATRIX. I'm so sorry for that inconvenience.
We hope that you find this information useful and look forward to assisting you in the future.
For information about Motorola products and services, please visit us at http://www.motorola.com/
Thank you for contacting Motorola e-mail support.
Best Regards,
Neil
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So it's not a flat out denial of an imminent bootloader solution, but we're no closer either.
I will now create similar posts in the other Motorola forums on XDA and see if we can get our Brothers & Sisters to join the party.
I know there are a lot of skeptics, but I will keep trying. I don't have the skill to help the Dev's crack the phone, but I do have the patience to make our voices heard.

ikenley said:
So we're up near the 200 signature mark now for the Petition. I've been in touch with Motorola about 6 times in the last 2 weeks, not giving up on this one though.
My last response from them was:
So it's not a flat out denial of an imminent bootloader solution, but we're no closer either.
I will now create similar posts in the other Motorola forums on XDA and see if we can get our Brothers & Sisters to join the party.
I know there are a lot of skeptics, but I will keep trying. I don't have the skill to help the Dev's crack the phone, but I do have the patience to make our voices heard.
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"bootloader solution" can mean anything. it can even mean staying with their locked bootloader is their solution.

dLo GSR said:
"bootloader solution" can mean anything. it can even mean staying with their locked bootloader is their solution.
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Very concise point, but if you review this statement, then it's in context.
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=495971028278
Which is all included in the Groubal.

Signed. Maybe someone should design a B&W 8.5x11 printout that can be posted at universities to drum up support... I'm in a CS program and I'm sure there are more than a couple who would take the 2 seconds necessary to sign- I just don't know any of them personally!

AT&T Webcast about Atrix Dev Mar 29 @ 11AM PST

Hey everyone, being as this is a webcast about Android Development I'm not sure if it belongs here or in "General" so Mods please move it if you think it doesn't belong.
Anyway, lets get on the AT&T webcast tomorrow and bug them about bootloader access, you do have to register to participate but it's easy enough. It begins at 11AM PST and says it is an hour long. You need Microsoft Office Live Meeting (or you could call in) but it's free to download.
http://developer.att.com/developer/forward.jsp?passedItemId=5300338
I fully realize that this may be a futile action but in my experience persistence pays off and I'm not done bothering them quite yet, maybe 6 months down the road if they still aren't doing anything for us I'll give, but not yet!
Aside: I'm assuming that since this uses full featured meeting software there will be an opportunity to ask questions.

Awesome! Yes, please do! It worked for HSUPA, it is worth a shot.

...why would you bug AT&T about a Motorola device? Waste of effort.

Ririal said:
...why would you bug AT&T about a Motorola device? Waste of effort.
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Presenters:
Greg Wilson, Technology Evangelist, Motorola Mobility
Greg is a Technology Evangelist at Motorola Mobility, helping developers to create the best possible Android applications. Prior to joining Motorola, Greg was at Palm (and its various incarnations) doing similar work for the Palm OS developer community. Greg has been programming since the early days of the microcomputer, and has written software for programmable calculators, IBM mainframes, and an assortment of microprocessor architectures and microcomputer operating systems.
Peter van der Linden, Technology Evangelist, Motorola Mobility
Peter is the Android Technology Evangelist within the Developer Tools and Technical Services team at Motorola. He is not afraid of bugs, and has a collection of several prize bugs (software only).
They work for Motorola.

youareme7 said:
Hey everyone, being as this is a webcast about Android Development I'm not sure if it belongs here or in "General" so Mods please move it if you think it doesn't belong.
Anyway, lets get on the AT&T webcast tomorrow and bug them about bootloader access, you do have to register to participate but it's easy enough. It begins at 11AM PST and says it is an hour long. You need Microsoft Office Live Meeting (or you could call in) but it's free to download.
http://developer.att.com/developer/forward.jsp?passedItemId=5300338
I fully realize that this may be a futile action but in my experience persistence pays off and I'm not done bothering them quite yet, maybe 6 months down the road if they still aren't doing anything for us I'll give, but not yet!
Aside: I'm assuming that since this uses full featured meeting software there will be an opportunity to ask questions.
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Make sure to point out the number of people that want this.
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/

I'm not going to be able to watch and partcipate for this. I would like if someone could record this conference.
Thanks.
Sent from my MB860 using Tapatalk

Ririal said:
...why would you bug AT&T about a Motorola device? Waste of effort.
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Because AT&T is behind 99pct of the problems with the Atrix:
- No Side Loading - AT&T
- Reduced Speeds - AT&T
- No Root Access - AT&T
Motorola made it pretty clear pre-release they wanted to open up the bootloader, AT&T obviously shut that down.

maybe they will give us the key for the bootloader, probably not, however its a good place to voice our concern

hate_Romania said:
maybe they will give us the key for the bootloader, probably not, however its a good place to voice our concern
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I doubt it. I asked in their MotoDev forum.
http://community.developer.motorola...trix-App-summit-on-March-29th-2011/td-p/12350

I'm not sure if it would actually do us any good, but I mean i guess it would be worth a try. Who is all gunna be the conference tomorrow??

I think (When it comes to their "bootloader solution") what they meant to say was "We do what we think is right when it comes to working with devs and customers, and will continue to do so in the future". And, what everyone took that to mean was "THEY ARE GONNA UNLOCK THE BOOTLOADER FOR US". I'm not saying I agree AT ALL, I just sometimes try to look at it from both sides.
I definitely want this thing unlocked, but I'm not counting on Moto to do too much about it. Not to say opinions shouldn't be voiced!

No one should be blaming ATT for the locked bootloader. Motorola's Droids (except for OG Droid) all have been locked down and they are on Verizon's network. Feel free to blame ATT for upload speeds, fake 4G, no sideloading, global warming, etc...

The Motorola employee that's going to be there is an application developer. He's unlikely to know anything about, much less have an answer for, anything about the bootloader. Harassing employees makes the entire community look bad and childish. If you have a REAL problem with it, other than bandwagon hatred for something a lot of you clearly don't understand, follow the appropriate channels. Lawyer up and file a formal complaint. Harassing them over the internet won't get you anywhere. If you REALLY believe that it's changed anything so far, I'm sorry you're that ignorant.
All the whining and harassing got nowhere, but when a thought out, well written petition was put into place and formal requests were made, look what happened: Motorola released their source. They didn't do it to "appease the masses", or to "shut us up." They did it because the proper channels were followed and they honored that. You have to understand that the amount of people who want the bootloader unlocked is a very, VERY small portion of their total userbase. It's entirely ignorant to claim that everyone wants this. Motorola isn't some evil overlord who wants their users to hate them. They're a business. Do you honestly think they'll care if a few hundred users out of the hundreds of thousands they have leave over the bootloader being locked? Unlikely. They've recognized the issue, and have announced they will have a solution for developers soon, which is more than they're even obligated to do in the first place. They don't owe you anything, having such an entitled attitude is hurtful to the entire process. Be patient.
I mean no disrespect to anyone in particular, so please, be respectful and mature of the situation. If you don't like it, that's fine, voice your opinion respectfully.

I second Ririal. Those two that are going to be presenting tomorrow are evangelists, and are going to be pretty in the dark about the situation.

I think the chat will be very interesting. Devs being there should be good for a prediction on where Moto plans to take the Atrix... wonder if we can ask questions in a round about way to see if they slip on how they unlock the bootloader to develop on the phone... lol yea I know wishful thinking this isn't a cartoon or movie lol but one can dream... I'll try and make the chat and see if I can record it for you guys
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I have school at that time but can someone do me a favour and bug them about his.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=980047
Its common with half the people that unlocked the Atrix.

I have a meeting tomorrow and can't participate in the webcast.
However, would somebody _please_ tell them that there are companies out there who really want to develop applications for the webtop.
I have the go-ahead at work to port our primary Linux/X Windows application to the webtop on the Atrix, but cannot move forward so long as hacking/rooting the device is necessary. We can only develop using officially authorized channels.
Thanks in advance for anyone who can bring this up to them.

Ririal said:
The Motorola employee that's going to be there is an application developer. He's unlikely to know anything about, much less have an answer for, anything about the bootloader. Harassing employees makes the entire community look bad and childish. If you have a REAL problem with it, other than bandwagon hatred for something a lot of you clearly don't understand, follow the appropriate channels. Lawyer up and file a formal complaint. Harassing them over the internet won't get you anywhere. If you REALLY believe that it's changed anything so far, I'm sorry you're that ignorant.
All the whining and harassing got nowhere, but when a thought out, well written petition was put into place and formal requests were made, look what happened: Motorola released their source. They didn't do it to "appease the masses", or to "shut us up." They did it because the proper channels were followed and they honored that. You have to understand that the amount of people who want the bootloader unlocked is a very, VERY small portion of their total userbase. It's entirely ignorant to claim that everyone wants this. Motorola isn't some evil overlord who wants their users to hate them. They're a business. Do you honestly think they'll care if a few hundred users out of the hundreds of thousands they have leave over the bootloader being locked? Unlikely. They've recognized the issue, and have announced they will have a solution for developers soon, which is more than they're even obligated to do in the first place. They don't owe you anything, having such an entitled attitude is hurtful to the entire process. Be patient.
I mean no disrespect to anyone in particular, so please, be respectful and mature of the situation. If you don't like it, that's fine, voice your opinion respectfully.
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Agreed Ririal.
The petition I've started doesn't actually complain about anything, it asks for an announcement at the very least. Just something for Developers to be hopeful for. It also just requests an option for Developers not for everyone.
We are working very hard to follow the right channels on the topic and generate positive support to show Motorola that there is an enthusiastic user-base out there.
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/

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Agreed Ririal.
The petition I've started doesn't actually complain about anything, it asks for an announcement at the very least. Just something for Developers to be hopeful for. It also just requests an option for Developers not for everyone.
We are working very hard to follow the right channels on the topic and generate positive support to show Motorola that there is an enthusiastic user-base out there.
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
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Absolutely. I saw your petition and have signed it. I'd love to see them, at the very least, give us an answer. We may not like it, but at least we'd have one instead of empty promises right now. No need to get upset about it, though

electronaut said:
I have a meeting tomorrow and can't participate in the webcast.
However, would somebody _please_ tell them that there are companies out there who really want to develop applications for the webtop.
I have the go-ahead at work to port our primary Linux/X Windows application to the webtop on the Atrix, but cannot move forward so long as hacking/rooting the device is necessary. We can only develop using officially authorized channels.
Thanks in advance for anyone who can bring this up to them.
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THIS THIS
Being able to create/load webtop apps would be an awesome feature that would turn the webtop from an interesting sideshow to a must-have.
I am hesitant to spend anything on the lapdock because I don't think it would be much more useful than the phone itself. If I could throw OpenOffice down on there or something using apt-get then I would totally buy it.
I understand that Moto might want to control the user experience, as nobody is going to be doing any high-powered computation or gaming on it, but third-party apps would be really neat.

HTC One US Developers Edition- Software Updates

Hi all,
I thought I would try and start a place for only the US Dev Edition unit where we could house the reponses and issues with updates, delays, etc...
I hope this makes sense and is useful. If not, then if one of the moderators could remove it, please....
I will start by offering the respone I just received from HTC regarding my question around why they could launch the Google Edition with 4.2.2. but still leave the US waiting for the update on the Developers Edition.
I thought buying a "clean" device, paying top dollar, direclty from HTC, with no Carrier involvment would mean timely updates?
I encourage others to post any information about this update or any future ones for this device!
Thank you for contacting the HTC Technical Support Center
We understand how you may be feeling regarding the update process to Jelly Bean 4.2 for the HTC One and we deeply apologize for the delay on this process. We sincerely work hard always on the updates for our customers, since we understand it is important for all of you to have the latest Android OS Versions.
We are always looking forward to develop updates that enhance your HTC experience. Due to the nature of the software development cycle, we may encounter the need to make some changes to ensure everything will work flawlessly, which is why we no longer engage to announce release dates.
We are currently running some tests to make sure the HTC One will function properly with 4.2, so we encourage you to check constantly on our website for further details about the release date. You can also follow us on Facebook or Twitter, where you can easily find the news of our products and also you can share all your concerns with our fans.
We sincerely expect your comprehension on this matter. Thanks for your continuous support of our products and services. Should you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us through http://www.htc.com/www/contact/email/ or call us at +1-866-449-8358 from 8AM to 1AM, 7 days a week.
Best regards,
If this answers your comment or question, please click here to complete the process.
To submit another comment, please click here.
Sincerely,
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maddie01 said:
Hi all,
I thought I would try and start a place for only the US Dev Edition unit where we could house the reponses and issues with updates, delays, etc...
I hope this makes sense and is useful. If not, then if one of the moderators could remove it, please....
I will start by offering the respone I just received from HTC regarding my question around why they could launch the Google Edition with 4.2.2. but still leave the US waiting for the update on the Developers Edition.
I thought buying a "clean" device, paying top dollar, direclty from HTC, with no Carrier involvment would mean timely updates?
I encourage others to post any information about this update or any future ones for this device!
Thank you for contacting the HTC Technical Support Center
We understand how you may be feeling regarding the update process to Jelly Bean 4.2 for the HTC One and we deeply apologize for the delay on this process. We sincerely work hard always on the updates for our customers, since we understand it is important for all of you to have the latest Android OS Versions.
We are always looking forward to develop updates that enhance your HTC experience. Due to the nature of the software development cycle, we may encounter the need to make some changes to ensure everything will work flawlessly, which is why we no longer engage to announce release dates.
We are currently running some tests to make sure the HTC One will function properly with 4.2, so we encourage you to check constantly on our website for further details about the release date. You can also follow us on Facebook or Twitter, where you can easily find the news of our products and also you can share all your concerns with our fans.
We sincerely expect your comprehension on this matter. Thanks for your continuous support of our products and services. Should you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us through http://www.htc.com/www/contact/email/ or call us at +1-866-449-8358 from 8AM to 1AM, 7 days a week.
Best regards,
If this answers your comment or question, please click here to complete the process.
To submit another comment, please click here.
Sincerely,
The HTCDev Team
Want to see what others are saying? Have a question to ask other HTCDev fans?
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Ahhh... Nothing like a generic message saying that we're not telling you anything.

same situation
bobruels44 said:
Ahhh... Nothing like a generic message saying that we're not telling you anything.
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I am the in the exact same situation, spent 649 dollars on the HTC One 64 gb. Developer Edition. This
was supposed to be the phone to receive the updates first. I am still sitting here with 4.12 and checking
software updates 20 times a day. Very frustrating to say the least!
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Slowwwwly rolling out but not yet to US
cc999 said:
I am the in the exact same situation, spent 649 dollars on the HTC One 64 gb. Developer Edition. This
was supposed to be the phone to receive the updates first. I am still sitting here with 4.12 and checking
software updates 20 times a day. Very frustrating to say the least!
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I agree and I have seen the other posts so I know the Update is slowly being rolled out overseas to the International Versions, but the Google Edition That has 4.2.2 is for sale in the US, so they should have given it to the owners fo the Developers Edition in the US. I will post any additonal information/alerts about any updates in other countries as soon as i hear about it. Thanks for commenting !

sent email
maddie01 said:
I agree and I have seen the other posts so I know the Update is slowly being rolled out overseas to the International Versions, but the Google Edition That has 4.2.2 is for sale in the US, so they should have given it to the owners fo the Developers Edition in the US. I will post any additonal information/alerts about any updates in other countries as soon as i hear about it. Thanks for commenting !
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Well I sent the email to the HTC Tech Support Center. Just received this back, look familiar? NOBODY EVEN READS THESE!
"Thank you for contacting the HTC Technical Support Center
We understand how you may be feeling regarding the update process to Jelly Bean 4.2 for the HTC One and we deeply apologize for the delay on this process. We sincerely work hard always on the updates for our customers, since we understand it is important for all of you to have the latest Android OS Versions.
We are always looking forward to develop updates that enhance your HTC experience. Due to the nature of the software development cycle, we may encounter the need to make some changes to ensure everything will work flawlessly, which is why we no longer engage to announce release dates. Charlie, we are currently running some tests to make sure the HTC One will function properly with 4.2, so we encourage you to check constantly on our website for further details about the release date. You can also follow us on Facebook or Twitter, where you can easily find the news of our products and also you can share all your concerns with our fans.
We sincerely expect your comprehension on this matter. Thanks for your continuous support of our products and services. Should you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us through http://www.htc.com/www/contact/email/ or call us at +1-866-449-8358 from 8AM to 1AM, 7 days a week. "
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This is just a copy and paste reply and replace the name with your name. 4.2.2 is pushed out for International ONE and they are working hard on your developer ONE to make sure you get the HTC worst experience of being a developer.
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Encourage everyone to send a message to; http://www.htcdev.com/
cc999 said:
Well I sent the email to the HTC Tech Support Center. Just received this back, look familiar? NOBODY EVEN READS THESE!
"Thank you for contacting the HTC Technical Support Center
We understand how you may be feeling regarding the update process to Jelly Bean 4.2 for the HTC One and we deeply apologize for the delay on this process. We sincerely work hard always on the updates for our customers, since we understand it is important for all of you to have the latest Android OS Versions.
We are always looking forward to develop updates that enhance your HTC experience. Due to the nature of the software development cycle, we may encounter the need to make some changes to ensure everything will work flawlessly, which is why we no longer engage to announce release dates. Charlie, we are currently running some tests to make sure the HTC One will function properly with 4.2, so we encourage you to check constantly on our website for further details about the release date. You can also follow us on Facebook or Twitter, where you can easily find the news of our products and also you can share all your concerns with our fans.
We sincerely expect your comprehension on this matter. Thanks for your continuous support of our products and services. Should you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us through http://www.htc.com/www/contact/email/ or call us at +1-866-449-8358 from 8AM to 1AM, 7 days a week. "
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Thanks!
One of the things I was hoping to accomplish was to get as many people as possible to send in thier message to; http://www.htcdev.com/...
so that HTC would see the number of frustrated customers. I know that every corporation tracks incoming messages by Subject matter and they review the topics on a regular basis. May not change anything now but there is power in numbers! HTC could use as much positive press as possible right now anyway!

4.2.2 for the us versions will be here within the next few weeks. You will get the update before the carriers at least.
Im sure everyone knows the international for mostly all phones get it first before the united states.

To CC999: (Sorry I replied to the wrong post and got wrong quote)
You aren't alone. I share your sentiment. Could have easily gotten the El Cheapo from ATT but chose to pony up for the DE and now being treated like a guy with the ATT version *shrug*. It makes me feel like these companies like HTC aren't even in tune with the silly little things that potentially keep Android fans happy and loyal...like....timely updates to as recent an OS version as possible??!! About two weeks ago I rooted and flashed Viper One. And Fell in love with my phone all over again. But it's missing the lock screen widget, the instagram blinkfeed and the immediately sharable screenshots...which i actually really miss from my Nexus 4. Also, I desperately need my Zoes to stop saving 2000 still pics with each day out at the park. Sigh. What can ya do....

maddie01 said:
Thanks!
One of the things I was hoping to accomplish was to get as many people as possible to send in thier message to; http://www.htcdev.com/...
so that HTC would see the number of frustrated customers. I know that every corporation tracks incoming messages by Subject matter and they review the topics on a regular basis. May not change anything now but there is power in numbers! HTC could use as much positive press as possible right now anyway!
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You should post this to reddit, I've sent in my email to HTC addressing my concerns with their update process as well, pretty sure I'll get the same bullsh*t message back from them.
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I got a slightly different response:
Thank you for reaching the HTC Tech Support Team with your inquiry, I’m here to make sure all your questions and doubts are cleared.
I comprehend where you're coming from, as I been there before; I certainly know that now days is vital to be up to date when it comes to remain connected/communicated, basically because it is high priority to have a reliable device, nevertheless, as of now, all of the updates are only pushed when the stability of the devices is guaranteed, therefore, it has to be under constant analysis, trials & rewrites among others; only when it has reached nearest point of perfection, which is at our development team's discretion, it's when is send out or pushed to specific devices (such as your HTC One), once again I do acknowledge and understand your perspective on this matter, which is why we greatly appreciate the understanding and patience on this subject.
If you need further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us at http://www.htc.com/us/contact/email/, I’m here to make sure all your questions are addressed in the most efficient way, or if you prefer real time assistance you can reach our customer service line at +1-866-449-8358, 8 am to 1 am ET, 7 days a week.
Thank you for choosing HTC.

If you think about it, HTC was pretty upfront about what they think of US developer editions; our cids start with BS, you should've known that htc would BS about the updates and that the developer edition being special.
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djan84 said:
If you think about it, HTC was pretty upfront about what they think of US developer editions; our cids start with BS, you should've known that htc would BS about the updates and that the developer edition being special.
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Haahaa, nice one so we have the Bull [email protected]+ version..I love it...good attitude to have. Hopefully news will start rolling in as it gets released across the US...can always go back to a Custom 4.2.2 until the Stock version is official..Thanks for the laugh.
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Thanks for e-mailing HTC and posting the differenet response....Well at least we know they are not total robots and they can respond in thier own words! Even though they continue to avoid the issue of the Google Edition haivng 4.2.2. as the Dev Edition and the Google Edition are not that different (except Sense and maybe an extra radio?)...still good to keep some pressure on them,

HTC doesn't care much about the pressure that comes from XDA, but get this on the front page of Reddit and the update will be out tomorrow lol.
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cc999 said:
I am the in the exact same situation, spent 649 dollars on the HTC One 64 gb. Developer Edition. This
was supposed to be the phone to receive the updates first. I am still sitting here with 4.12 and checking
software updates 20 times a day. Very frustrating to say the least!
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I'm also frustrated about all of this, but you are making assumptions that are untrue.
Where did you ever hear HTC claim that "This was supposed to be the phone to receive the updates first"? I'm pretty sure the announced purpose of this phone is to be the untouched edition with the bootloader unlockable out of the box, with no possibility for carrier restrictions.
Nowhere did I ever read HTC claim that it would be the first to receive updates, and that's a silly assumption to make. It's a niche version of the phone - sure it's popular here on XDA, but it's a very small drop in the ocean - and I would expect the other versions to receive priority on updates.
At the end of the day, HTC is still a business and they're going to prioritise updates to the versions of the phone that have the largest user base.

Will play around with Reddit tomorrow and see how to go about this. Thanks for the Post...

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Will play around with Reddit tomorrow and see how to go about this. Thanks for the Post...
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Good luck.
I honestly think its bullcrap that they won't release it stateside yet. We had ROMs with 4.2.2 firmware over a month ago and even when they updated WWE units to newer 4.1.2 versions the dev edition didn't get it for weeks.
I'm optimistic but I'd say probably somewhere closer to a week.

I'm 100% sure that the dev edit would get the update after the standard htc one USA unlocked version. Watch!
I don't see any benefits of a dev edit htc one. It's not even s off
In the mean time I keep hitting check for update. I know we close.

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Will play around with Reddit tomorrow and see how to go about this. Thanks for the Post...
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Someone has already posted it to /r/HTCone.
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