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I hate Sense UI

Is there anyone else out there who can't wait to root this phone and get Sense off of it?

mrono said:
Is there anyone else out there who can't wait to root this phone and get Sense off of it?
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I went from liking it, to hating it, now I'm back to liking it agian, but that's just me.
Simple solution, disable it, if you can't disable it, get a homescreen replacement from the market. As for the other apps like the keyboards and messenger apps and stuff there's alternatives for those as well.
Other than modifying or adding internal background stuff (editing the kernel or low level services) I don't see any reason why you really need root anymore. At least not for my needs anyway.
I am a big fan of AOSP but that seems like it's the only advantage in my eyes to having root nowadays, everything else can be done with crafty market apps.
Talk to me agian after the next upgrade to android is all the rage, you will see me with my foot in my mouth for sure =P

I can see myself turning off many of the gizmos and widgets in that Sense thing. Too much junk running.

tempe38 said:
I can see myself turning off many of the gizmos and widgets in that Sense thing. Too much junk running.
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I take it that you haven't played with the hero or anything like that?
go to a sprint store and try it out, finding ways to disable it is much easier than trying to add it in if you want it. Those that don't have it pre-installed want it, those that do have it want it gone.
The problem most people hated it was because it slowed down the hero, it runs at half the speed and half the ram approximately of the evo, it really shouldn't be a problem and it's just eye candy, and the benefits of having it outweigh the problem of it being on there by default. It's mainly just a grass is greener thing mostly.
The widgets can be easily removed from the home screen by a simple one time hold+drag.

I'm not the only one in these parts with an HD2, but I assure you WinMo 6.5(x) runs sense fast and smooth. If Android is as fast as I believe, sense will not be a deal breaker....or as previously stated, just turn it off.

No idea what you hate about it. What do you all think is running in the background that you're all so concerned about? The widgets? It's not like stock Android doesn't have them either.

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I love Sense UI ...

I like it. It makes SENSE
I love how some quantify something they haven't experienced on the actual phone itself yet.
It's like saying I hate playing a 3D game that runs on a 2D graphics card with a slow experience and lag. WELL DUH!

I have the new sense ui on my nexus one and its 10x faster then wm version.

johnsongrantr said:
The widgets can be easily removed from the home screen by a simple one time hold+drag.
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Yeah, that's what I meant.

audscott said:
I'm not the only one in these parts with an HD2, but I assure you WinMo 6.5(x) runs sense fast and smooth. If Android is as fast as I believe, sense will not be a deal breaker....or as previously stated, just turn it off.
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I'm with you on this... I too have an HD2 and it runs Sence as smooth as silk.
My Brother has the Desire and it too with Sence slides along very nicely.

I'm not saying I hate sense UI because when i've used it it ran slow or because i couldn't figure it out. I don't like it because of how it's layed out, the configuration of it does not fit me. If I can change it or disable it, I will be a happy person.

Personally I couldn't care less. Sense or no Sense. I think it looks nice and all but I'm a hacker bred from the Cyanogen camp. I love speed and Sense just slows things down. I am sure on a 1Ghz device with 512MB RAM it should run without any lag. I'm still an AOSP fan however and hope we don't run into the kernel issues with this device as we are with the Hero. On the Hero we are still running .27 or .29 for those who want the canmera. I feel ancient!

I have the hero with Android 2.1 ROM
It has weaker hardware.. less memory.. slower CPU
I have sense and live wallpaper running at the same time
It is perfect.. smooth... fast.. beautiful.. everything works.
I can not imagine the evo having any issues with sense or any software!
I love sense and all it gives me
Sent from my HERO200 using Tapatalk

Dan330 said:
I have the hero with Android 2.1 ROM
It has weaker hardware.. less memory.. slower CPU
I have sense and live wallpaper running at the same time
It is perfect.. smooth... fast.. beautiful.. everything works.
I can not imagine the evo having any issues with sense or any software!
I love sense and all it gives me
Sent from my HERO200 using Tapatalk
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But stock 1.5 isn't exactly smooth, even the 2.1 isn't quite buttery smooth, the custom roms are, but I don't think with that much power behind it that it will be a problem, and just think what will happen when xda gets their hands on it

chuckhriczko said:
Personally I couldn't care less. Sense or no Sense. I think it looks nice and all but I'm a hacker bred from the Cyanogen camp. I love speed and Sense just slows things down. I am sure on a 1Ghz device with 512MB RAM it should run without any lag. I'm still an AOSP fan however and hope we don't run into the kernel issues with this device as we are with the Hero. On the Hero we are still running .27 or .29 for those who want the canmera. I feel ancient!
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hope the whole camp jump's on this one i prefer aosp over senseless anyday of the week i install the widgets i want on my device don't need htc or sprint's bloated ****gets taking up valuable memory space

The reason sense slows things down is because they have been stuffing it on two year old devices with barely an acceptable amount of storage and ram. The new devices from the evo and incredible don't see these issues because the extra ten megs is nothing where on the regular hero makes a big difference as you start opening up more and more ****.
It will be a non issue on the evo. If you prefer asop all the more power to you I also like it but the largest complaints against sense are going to be obsolete soon enough now that devices actually have more horse power and memory.

i looooovvvee sense ui..had it on my g1, htc magic, hero, nexus one, and soon to be evo 4g

AOSP
Lets hope one of the first custom roms is for AOSP. I am running an AOSP build on my hero and I LOVE it!

I'm looking forward to it. I love it on my buddies hero. Just makes android that much better.

should I go Froyo???? with new memory

hi...
long story short...
my 8gb class 6 card was stolen.. have a 16gb class 6 coming at end of week. i was running DC2.1 last custom ROM. was also using apps2sd and it was working great!
question?
should I go ahead and get Froyo?
will its version of app2sd be as good as the 2.1 version? because with the efficient apps2sd on 2.1.. i am still pushing the limits of the memory.

who the hell steals sd cards?

Is there even a stable release of Froyo yet?

YoungSinema said:
Is there even a stable release of Froyo yet?
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Stable, yes. Final, no.
Look in the dev forum for CM6 RC1.
@OP:
Yea, get Froyo.

I came from French Toast, and I thought that was fast. Froyo, no lie is lighting quick. The Apps to SD innate seem much better at handling it too.. but that's just what I think. Plus you can see what apps are on your SD card on the phone. I recommend it. Even though it's not final. everything I use the phone for works on froyo, including camera.

I'd definitely recommend using FroYo... it's ridiculously fast, gets good battery life, and you get access to new apps like Voice Actions.

I have a 16g class 6 and i am running the current build of cm6 for the hero. I haven't had a single issue. its fast thank you devs
so yea get froyo.

thanks everyone... i guess I will give Froyo a try..
does it fix the phone lag... staring calls?

Haven't had any problems. Another bonus is that Froyo takes about half the space of 2.1 with Sense.

Is there a froyo with sense? I need it for HTC sync for use with outlook 2010. Also, why do people make up such crazy names for ROMS? I spend too much time trying to figure out what it is, and who made it, what version it is, do all the features work, what radio am I supposed to use. Isn't there a way to simplify this?

the froyo rom here is cyanogenmod6 its named after the cyanogen and is the sixth version of the multi platform android rom he and his team have put out. I do agree that some of the rom names are downright ridiculous and the word art junk I've seen for some of them just seems really lame and immature (think high school class projects with crap word art thrown in)
NO there is no sense 2.2 rom and there may or may not ever be one. Also before it gets asked in this thread, NO CM6 DOES NOT HAVE FLASH!
why are you syncing your phone to outlook? both outlook and the phone should sync to your calandar and email provider, your doing it kinda backwards. outlook is a client, and the phone is a client. why sync one client to another instead of syncing both clients directly to the service provider?
O/T but outlook is a terrible email client, bloated as hell and poorly written. I wouldn't recommend anyone use it unless they have a need to talk to an exchange server.
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Is there a froyo with sense? I need it for HTC sync for use with outlook 2010. Also, why do people make up such crazy names for ROMS? I spend too much time trying to figure out what it is, and who made it, what version it is, do all the features work, what radio am I supposed to use. Isn't there a way to simplify this?
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LanceLet said:
I came from French Toast, and I thought that was fast. Froyo, no lie is lighting quick. The Apps to SD innate seem much better at handling it too.. but that's just what I think. Plus you can see what apps are on your SD card on the phone. I recommend it. Even though it's not final. everything I use the phone for works on froyo, including camera.
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Everything works yes but it is NOT lightning quick, even with the same 730mhz. 2.1 was ALOT faster
mrinehart93 said:
I'd definitely recommend using FroYo... it's ridiculously fast, gets good battery life, and you get access to new apps like Voice Actions.
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Nope along with performance my battery life is alot worse
Don't get me wrong it is VERY stable for what it is (the only issue being the LEDs being messed up which there's a fix for) but 2.1 was alot faster for me. My GBA emulator is really laggy and useless with 2.2

iviyth0s said:
Everything works yes but it is NOT lightning quick, even with the same 730mhz. 2.1 was ALOT faster
Nope along with performance my battery life is alot worse
Don't get me wrong it is VERY stable for what it is (the only issue being the LEDs being messed up which there's a fix for) but 2.1 was alot faster for me. My GBA emulator is really laggy and useless with 2.2
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Pics or GTFO.

tejasrichard said:
Pics or GTFO.
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The cm6 build is good but Ive gone back to fresh. The a2sd isnt as good imo as darks however you can integrate a2sd into cm6 and bypass the froyo version. Battery life was pretty random for me. I caibrated my battery and one use I got about 7 hours of streaming slacker over wifi and using a bluetooth headset to listen. Recharged and the next go around I gout 4 1/2 hours. personally 7 hours of that kind of use is damn good for me but 4 1/2 is a drastic drop. I didnt like the fact that it was ran at 691, I think my phone runs better running around 600. Above that and it can get a bit jumpy (oc widget and setcpu wouldnt maintain a frequency and the battery fix was too involved for my liking). Also I started getting a ton of FC's in launcherpro and the browser.
That being said, I made a nandroid so I can go back to it if I like but for now Im sticking with fresh's rom. The only feature I would like is the new google voice search but I rarely use voice functions anyways.
Edit: Scratch that, I loaded the updated nightly build and alot of my issues seem to be gone and OC Widget is holding at 576 so Im calibrating the battery and gonna test again.
I cannot believe I havent fried this phone after the amount of flashing and crap Ive done on it.

tejasrichard said:
Pics or GTFO.
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of what

ipfreelytech said:
O/T but outlook is a terrible email client, bloated as hell and poorly written. I wouldn't recommend anyone use it unless they have a need to talk to an exchange server.
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That. =P
I'm also in the process of calibrating the battery as my CM6 battery performance compared to Fresh 2.3.3 was pretty abysmal, but if it's NOT lightning quick, you're doing it wrong.
(CM6 is f-f-ffAST! Using the decad3nce #7 8/18 uncapped kernel currently, but even the included kernel was perfection)

hi all...
i tried to flash this blue rom...
it did not work.
I lost my SD card. got a replacement 16gb class6.
I also have an old 1gb class2.
i have been rooted since I got the phone in Dec and have flashed many ROMs with no issues. I was last on DC 2.1 custom Rom.
it just gets stuck in "HTC" splash screen. wait 15-30 mins. never comes out. here is what I have done...
each time i wipe the data and Dalvik.
flash the 2.2 ROM.
both from the 1gb and the 16gb.
just stuck in the black screen "htc"
what do I need to do?

[Q] Everyone says "fast"... but actually theyre not?!

Hi there,
Currently i'm using a SD-Android of MDJ.
Because of laggy animations i would like to update my current Build.
I've read through several NAND-Threads and nearly everyone says "fast fast fast".
This:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877777 NAND looks very interesting, but after looking the Youtube-Video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ab0ztDxibo ) there i'm a little bit confused... The UI looks nice, but it's lagging as hell there! - OK, it's not like "Ok, i started the app, now i can make a coffee", but the animations arent smooth... There are SD-ROMS availible which are smoother!
Is this behavior normal?
Is there any fast Android ROM, SD, NAND, RAM, etc?!
The only thing i want is a Build, which is:
- nearly stable
- fast
- small (to maximise user storage, but i dont need that much, just a few apps and Mails!)
- without "Not working in this build"-Parts
Greetz and thx for helping!

Try Darkstone's SD-RAM build, it's really fast ...

I do know 2-3 SD-Roms which are very fast, but i want to get rid of WinMo, so i need another solution
SD-Roms are still "Workarounds till NAND"

Please post in the right section.
Darkstone's build seems to be the fastest at the moment, closely followed by Markinux's builds. MDJ's gingerbread builds are getting there. I find if I set the governor to OnDemand and OC to 1300MHZ, most NAND builds become as fast, if not faster than my benchmark Desire HD.

I was skeptical about NAND at first, I thought "what's the point"
BUT, all I can now is WOW! WOW!
NAND is 4 million times faster, smoother a a lot more than SD builds
matt

infernalshade said:
Hi there,
Currently i'm using a SD-Android of MDJ.
Because of laggy animations i would like to update my current Build.
I've read through several NAND-Threads and nearly everyone says "fast fast fast".
This:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877777 NAND looks very interesting, but after looking the Youtube-Video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ab0ztDxibo ) there i'm a little bit confused... The UI looks nice, but it's lagging as hell there! - OK, it's not like "Ok, i started the app, now i can make a coffee", but the animations arent smooth... There are SD-ROMS availible which are smoother!
Is this behavior normal?
Is there any fast Android ROM, SD, NAND, RAM, etc?!
The only thing i want is a Build, which is:
- nearly stable
- fast
- small (to maximise user storage, but i dont need that much, just a few apps and Mails!)
- without "Not working in this build"-Parts
Greetz and thx for helping!
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Joined in 2008, 269 posts, yet you clearly post a question in the developers section, ignoring the Android question section
BTW, it depends if you want a sense build, non-sense, gingerbread, desire, desireHD etc etc. Each has it's positives and negatives. The slowest of the lot are the DesireHD builds.

Thx for your answers!
Sry for wrong-Posting the Thread, well i'm a little bit tired
Well... I do not need Sense, and i do not need Gingerbread, all i want is a fast Android build

infernalshade said:
Hi there,
Currently i'm using a SD-Android of MDJ.
Because of laggy animations i would like to update my current Build.
I've read through several NAND-Threads and nearly everyone says "fast fast fast".
This:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877777 NAND looks very interesting, but after looking the Youtube-Video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ab0ztDxibo ) there i'm a little bit confused... The UI looks nice, but it's lagging as hell there! - OK, it's not like "Ok, i started the app, now i can make a coffee", but the animations arent smooth... There are SD-ROMS availible which are smoother!
Is this behavior normal?
Is there any fast Android ROM, SD, NAND, RAM, etc?!
The only thing i want is a Build, which is:
- nearly stable
- fast
- small (to maximise user storage, but i dont need that much, just a few apps and Mails!)
- without "Not working in this build"-Parts
Greetz and thx for helping!
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Your given example NAND is experiment, testing NAND, Can't compare to the rest.

So is there no NAND availible for daily use?

cheezusweezel said:
Try Darkstone's SD-RAM build, it's really fast ...
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I think you mean, stupid fast, I was using this before I went NAND, this was definitely faster than NAND builds.
This ROM is also stable enough for everyday use. If you are using Sd though, just install-backup-change-restore, is easy with titanium backup, just try a few ROMS until you find the one you like.

But i think NAND Roms do have a better battery life, right?

I've been using my NAND build on a regular basis since it came out. Haven't been back to WinMo since NAND was first offered. For me the fastest NAND ROMs are TyTung which I would rank as best as far as speed but its completely Stock. I've also tried cmylxgo and his is pretty speedy as time goes by...I'm actually using that one right now and its been running for 4 days with no issues. Got like 60+ apps installed and using ADW Launcher with a theme and loving this build. Might go back to Gingerbread tho after another week cause I have a problem staying on one ROM too long lol...
Haven't tried MDJ ROM but Im using his kernel and no data issues and market downloads are insane...may try his GB build out...
Also heard DarkStone build is crazy fast which is a plus too...

Have been using my HD2 1024 for past 3 days and love it. ATM have miui but its okay, dont like interface much. Tho I must say, every nand rom was laggy for me for first 5 minutes for sure. Then once you set it up, fix things up, do few restarts, the phone gets super fast. Like really fast. Unless you have ****ty laggy hd rom.
atm trying darkside rom

i am using mdj revolution hd sd version for over a month now.daily usage that is.i have a great battery life and its fast.i think its one of the best sd version.like the animations,recommend it.

Just installed darkside 5 mins ago. No lag at all so far.

:O Got rating of 4000 WTF :O
Thats on darkside nand rom

Hm...It seems everyone prefers another Build (and technique)
I've tried to setup setCPU on my current build... looks smoother till now, maybe i dont need to update that fast... maybe i'll wait for "the ultimate super fast and stable NAND ROM"

jM2.me said:
:O Got rating of 4000 WTF :O
Thats on darkside nand rom
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#1
Thats not darkside, it's Darkstone1337.
#2
The build is called SuperNAND.
#3
It's an amazing testiment to the advancement of NAND/RAM developments by Darkstone1337, but not stable enough (yet) for daily use.
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To the original poster [infernalshade], I would recomend reading some posts 1st
That's where you're going to find the most indepth information on what's working & what's not in a certain build. Before you post, search search seach & search again. Most times it just takes some quick skimming thru all the pages to get the jist of things.
#5
Try it out. Sometimes stuff just works better on different phones, call it 'The Ghost In The Machine" or whatever. Besides that, who cares what anyone says if it doesn't suit you and your end needs
#6
Happy Flashing !

infernalshade said:
Hi there,
Currently i'm using a SD-Android of MDJ.
Because of laggy animations i would like to update my current Build.
I've read through several NAND-Threads and nearly everyone says "fast fast fast".
This:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877777 NAND looks very interesting, but after looking the Youtube-Video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ab0ztDxibo ) there i'm a little bit confused... The UI looks nice, but it's lagging as hell there! - OK, it's not like "Ok, i started the app, now i can make a coffee", but the animations arent smooth... There are SD-ROMS availible which are smoother!
Is this behavior normal?
Is there any fast Android ROM, SD, NAND, RAM, etc?!
The only thing i want is a Build, which is:
- nearly stable
- fast
- small (to maximise user storage, but i dont need that much, just a few apps and Mails!)
- without "Not working in this build"-Parts
Greetz and thx for helping!
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Most of the ROMs I've used are faster than SD builds. The Gingerbread ROMs are fast. The Gauner DesireHD is as fast as the SD builds of the same version of Android. But it does require getting through setup and a few reboots thereafter to smooth out to WP7 smoothness. However, every DesireHD ROM I've tried boots up super slow. That is where the SD builds excel above the ROMs.

its cm7.theres no stable build for cm7. its still laggy and buggy. cm6 will be less laggy and glitchy

Sense 3.5/3.0 compared to 2.1

I am currently running NilsP Business Sense 2.1/3.0 and i was wondering what performence hit i'd take if i plunged straight to 3.5? I used early 3.0 ROMS and they were painfully slow.. I was wondering if they were the same now.

My 3.0 rom is fast. Just doesn't sound like there's a whole lot more to a 3.5 than a 3.0 so I couldn't tell you my experiance as far as speed with 3.5.
Nils Business gingersense 3.0 v2.1

Sorry, but ALL Sense 3.x ROMs drag sorry ass on this device. There's no way to get around it. The software is just too muscular for the device. You end up with a crazy amount of vm being used, and since NAND memory is some pretty slow stuff, the lag becomes something best measured in full seconds.

^^ what he said.
and anyone who claims their 3.0/3.5 roms run "super fast" and "lag free" must never have run a stock incredible lol because the stock inc is how this phone is supposed to run (sense 1.0)...sense 3 is waaaaaaay too laggy. the one thing that always pissed me off is the notification dropdown menu lag. sometimes it would take up to 5 seconds for mine to drop down, even when i was just idling doing nothing. very annoying.

The 3.5`s are pretty, but sloooooww comparably. Even with nothing added application wise, and overclocked, they lag. No reflection on the (any) developer, it's literally bunches more software for the device to attempt to utilize, when it's built for less.
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smtom said:
The 3.5`s are pretty, but sloooooww comparably. Even with nothing added application wise, and overclocked, they lag. No reflection on the (any) developer, it's literally bunches more software for the device to attempt to utilize, when it's built for less.
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Well, I will point the finger a little at the devs. As usual, it seems like the push is only for the latest and greatest, neglecting the upkeep of decent older ROMs with older Sense versions. In the past that hasn't been a real problem, but with the advent of Sense 3.0, finding regularly updated 2.1 and older ROMs is hard. At some point they NEED to realize that this device isn't a dInc2, Tbolt, or EVO 3D and cut the crap with Sense 3.x+. Sense 2.1 with some 3.0 elements really is about as far as it should go.

I thought Joel's Sense 3.0 ROM on this was crazy fast. Then I used a 3.0 ROM on my inc2. Big difference. At the stock clock speed my phone still has no lag on my current 3.5 ROM.

loonatik78 said:
Well, I will point the finger a little at the devs. As usual, it seems like the push is only for the latest and greatest, neglecting the upkeep of decent older ROMs with older Sense versions. In the past that hasn't been a real problem, but with the advent of Sense 3.0, finding regularly updated 2.1 and older ROMs is hard. At some point they NEED to realize that this device isn't a dInc2, Tbolt, or EVO 3D and cut the crap with Sense 3.x+. Sense 2.1 with some 3.0 elements really is about as far as it should go.
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Love it!
But what's this about we don't upkeep our older Roms? I try to keep at least my Hybrid Speed update. I've had six Roms publicly ported and released. Hybrid Speed was my second Rom. In fact Hybrid was the most recently updated, even updated after my Desired Inc Rom. People are still using Hybrid Speed and still leave nice comments and send nice PM's about how they like it, so I guess I'm doing something right there. Thanks to everyone who showed support for me and my Roms as well!
I think a major part of rom development is with these updates and everything, we can work on them and fix them up until there almost flawless. Once we have done that, the development for that Rom is pretty much done. Depending on how far the developer wants to take his rom. Well mods and everything else. Most of the time what mods are in my Roms when I release them is actually how I use them and how I have my own set up. I like to leave everything else up to those people who just use the Roms.
One thing I've noticed. All the older Androider's tend to find a Rom/Dev they really like and they stick with it. At this point in the game they KNOW what they want in a Rom and what to expect from Roms currently on the board. All the new guys like to flash everything under the sun. Just proves that just because [insert name here] releases Super Rom V.infinity which just so happens to be blend between iOS, Android, WM, webOS, whatever they call BB os, lol, and then finally BREW mobile doesn't mean its the best choice for everybody. Its just that though, another choice.
Until then everybody should just continue using what they like and keep reporting bugs and always try to leave feedback and comments about what they like/hate about the Roms they use.
Man, I hope nobody thinks I actually have or am trying to make a point here. I'm just thinking out loud as usual.

wildstang83 said:
Love it!
But what's this about we don't upkeep our older Roms? I try to keep at least my Hybrid Speed update. I've had six Roms publicly ported and released. Hybrid Speed was my second Rom. In fact Hybrid was the most recently updated, even updated after my Desired Inc Rom. People are still using Hybrid Speed and still leave nice comments and send nice PM's about how they like it, so I guess I'm doing something right there. Thanks to everyone who showed support for me and my Roms as well!
I think a major part of rom development is with these updates and everything, we can work on them and fix them up until there almost flawless. Once we have done that, the development for that Rom is pretty much done. Depending on how far the developer wants to take his rom. Well mods and everything else. Most of the time what mods are in my Roms when I release them is actually how I use them and how I have my own set up. I like to leave everything else up to those people who just use the Roms.
One thing I've noticed. All the older Androider's tend to find a Rom/Dev they really like and they stick with it. At this point in the game they KNOW what they want in a Rom and what to expect from Roms currently on the board. All the new guys like to flash everything under the sun. Just proves that just because [insert name here] releases Super Rom V.infinity which just so happens to be blend between iOS, Android, WM, webOS, whatever they call BB os, lol, and then finally BREW mobile doesn't mean its the best choice for everybody. Its just that though, another choice.
Until then everybody should just continue using what they like and keep reporting bugs and always try to leave feedback and comments about what they like/hate about the Roms they use.
Man, I hope nobody thinks I actually have or am trying to make a point here. I'm just thinking out loud as usual.
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I'm fairly dev-agnostic when it comes to ROMs these days. I'll check yours out. I seldom see the device for long periods of time but I've been flashing as many as I can looking for a good balance. I appreciate your input.

loonatik78 said:
I'm fairly dev-agnostic when it comes to ROMs these days. I'll check yours out. I seldom see the device for long periods of time but I've been flashing as many as I can looking for a good balance. I appreciate your input.
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Thanks.
Hope my nose doesn't turn to brown here, but I gotta say I always look forward to your comments and incite on things. Its always something good. I'm nervous that your gonna try my Rom even, lol. But for real I hope you like it. And as always, I look forward to your 'real' input on it.

Well, I'm running on a 3.5 Sense Rom from SD card.
There was a huge eating of memory, until I installed AutoKiller which allows you to edit the limits of ram and on an aggressive profile, the Rom is now very well usable.
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Tzatlacael said:
Well, I'm running on a 3.5 Sense Rom from SD card.
There was a huge eating of memory, until I installed AutoKiller which allows you to edit the limits of ram and on an aggressive profile, the Rom is now very well usable.
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Why would you run 3.5 from the SD? That's gotta be really slow. I'd probably run something like OMGB or CM from SD but leave 3.5 on the system.

wildstang83 said:
Why would you run 3.5 from the SD? That's gotta be really slow. I'd probably run something like OMGB or CM from SD but leave 3.5 on the system.
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I run it from the SD because I'm still figuring out how to install on NAND and I'm also unable to sync with my PC :S
So for now I'm at SD and its my daily ROM. Besides the DATA image is 1GB size and with that ran tweak, its very stable.
although I'd prefer it on NAND...
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Tzatlacael said:
I run it from the SD because I'm still figuring out how to install on NAND and I'm also unable to sync with my PC :S
So for now I'm at SD and its my daily ROM. Besides the DATA image is 1GB size and with that ran tweak, its very stable.
although I'd prefer it on NAND...
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Are you using Conap's Boot Manager?

I this k many of the left over issues present in these roms aren't necessarily the dev abandoning it, but rather they can't fix it, either because it would take too much time or they don't know how/can't figure it out. MMS over Wifi is a big one on the 2.1/3.0 hybrids. I've seen many devs try to fix it but they just can't.
Like Stang said, once a rom reaches Nearly Flawless state, which is everything is fixed minus the persistent issues across all similar based roms, its development is completed. These people don't get paid to sit for hours to make every little thing work on our phone.
I think this fact causes frustration among users, that life isn't kittens and rainbows and we can't have the latest and greatest working like a champ on our aging hardware. Its not the devs fault guys.
Choose CM7 or a sense 1.0 rom if you want stability and speed. Anything else will always have little issues that frustrate you.
As for me, I like to use one of these newer roms until I get frustrated by these little issues, then go back to CM7/1.0, then once I'm bored with that I go back to a newer sense rom... Rinse and repeat
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ok, so I'm running a 3.0 sense rom in the Nils rom I have. There is no lag between home sections. (I don't have the 3d tilt accelerometer feature on of course) and as for the pull down, I will agree, sometimes it does lag, but I hardly ever use the pull down anyway, and my case doesn't make it easy to pull down anyway. I usually go through the menu button/notifications to have the pull down come down. Other than that...what lag is this you speak of? I also don't run a live wallpaper very much in order to help out the battery life a little as well. So maybe thats where some lag people are speaking of is being caused?
Maybe its just me, but I'm not experiancing heavy lag with my 3.0 rom and I am even running the latest kernel. I will agree however, if you want the fastest most optimized rom for a dinc, then get a stock rom of course. But the 3.0 rom I'm running is running smooth.

I'm Running Nil's Sense 3.5, and I love it!!
(if you have tried other Roms, make sure you follow his whole wipe guide in his Sense 3.5 post 1)
I love the speed of this rom! If you are happy with 3.0, stick with it, but I love the way the email looks and works in 3.5 (it's a little snappier, and allows for more customization)
While his 3.0 was pretty fast, I find 3.5 to be just that much faster.
Plus, gets even faster if you use Tiny's Kernel!
but when you compare either 3.0 or 3.5 against 1.0... 1.0 just sucks!

wildstang83 said:
[insert name here] released Super Rom V.infinity which just so happens to be blend between iOS, Android, WM, webOS, whatever they call BB os, lol, and then finally BREW mobile.
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I searched everywhere and couldn't find it. Link, please?

PonsAsinorem said:
I searched everywhere and couldn't find it. Link, please?
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Sure its right here, lol--->

I'm using Nils 3.5, and while there is some lag here and there, its a good, stable, and fairly snappy ROM. I also have V6 Supercharger (way aggressive) and the GingerTiny kernel, and that helps.
Maybe I'm just not expecting as much...I knew it would be slower than stock, but I feel its worth it for the enhancements.
But, to each his (or her!) own.
Sent from my Droid Inc - GingerSense style!

[Q] Even with all the stickies, can't find a decent rom, maybe with sense too

Its for my father's HD2, Windows Mobile is pretty much useless nowadays, and he loves the Voice Search feature on my Evo 3D. Its going to be a NAND rom, not booting from SD, that would be too annoying for him to use.
Thing is, there are only about 1000 roms for this thing....... even dozens of versions of Cyanogen.
And on top of that, I don't know how well some of the custom roms with Sense 2.0 or 3.0 would work, or if any are missing hardware support.
I understand you lose performance if you add-on alternate UIs like sense, but how big is the performance hit? Hes not going to be playing high-end 3D games or performing protein folding or anything on the thing, so as long as the performance loss doesn't hit the "Phone becomes laggy, input lags, and it takes forever to load anything" range, I would actually prefer a sense based rom than one without.
Again, I am doing this for someone that isn't TOO technical, though no stranger to computers either, so I don't need a rom packed full of overclocking and root tweaking options (though a rooted rom would still be preferred).
So then, are there any good Sense 3.0 roms for the HD2 available? Got any you recommend? Do they still support all of the phone's hardware?
If not, what would be your next choice? Is there much point in using Sense 2.0 over vanilla android other than the extra sense widgets which he would probably not care about? Sense 3.0 does have the looping home screens and the very functional lock screen that I know he would find useful.
Thanks, I know a lot of people ask for recommendations, but after searching for roms for days and basically flying blind in the "maybe this one will be good, its got a lot of people installing it" category I could really use some advice, especially for a Sense 3.0 rom... if they exist.

Cyber Akuma said:
Its for my father's HD2, Windows Mobile is pretty much useless nowadays, and he loves the Voice Search feature on my Evo 3D. Its going to be a NAND rom, not booting from SD, that would be too annoying for him to use.
Thing is, there are only about 1000 roms for this thing....... even dozens of versions of Cyanogen.
And on top of that, I don't know how well some of the custom roms with Sense 2.0 or 3.0 would work, or if any are missing hardware support.
I understand you lose performance if you add-on alternate UIs like sense, but how big is the performance hit? Hes not going to be playing high-end 3D games or performing protein folding or anything on the thing, so as long as the performance loss doesn't hit the "Phone becomes laggy, input lags, and it takes forever to load anything" range, I would actually prefer a sense based rom than one without.
Again, I am doing this for someone that isn't TOO technical, though no stranger to computers either, so I don't need a rom packed full of overclocking and root tweaking options (though a rooted rom would still be preferred).
So then, are there any good Sense 3.0 roms for the HD2 available? Got any you recommend? Do they still support all of the phone's hardware?
If not, what would be your next choice? Is there much point in using Sense 2.0 over vanilla android other than the extra sense widgets which he would probably not care about? Sense 3.0 does have the looping home screens and the very functional lock screen that I know he would find useful.
Thanks, I know a lot of people ask for recommendations, but after searching for roms for days and basically flying blind in the "maybe this one will be good, its got a lot of people installing it" category I could really use some advice, especially for a Sense 3.0 rom... if they exist.
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If you really want sense, go for a dhd sense 3 rom (Runnymede Sense 3.5 works well on mine), and if you really want looping homescreens, install launcherpro on any rom of your choice.
BUT I'd recommend a cm7/miui rom because in the end, it's still slow.
Linkies:
- Typhoon
- Dorimanx
- DHD Sense 3 - Dungphp

Moon2 said:
If you really want sense, go for a dhd sense 3 rom (Runnymede Sense 3.5 works well on mine), and if you really want looping homescreens, install launcherpro on any rom of your choice.
BUT I'd recommend a cm7/miui rom because in the end, it's still slow.
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Not a fan of Sense 3.5 over 3.0 personally.
And just how slow is it compared to CM7? I mean, I understand CM7 will be faster than a sense rom, even CM7 with sense hacked in, but as long as its not laggy or sluggish thats fine, I don't need it to break benchmark records and run the latest 3d software.

I really like the sense 3.X roms... and i don't find them THAT slow (i have a DHD).
But that god damn graphic glitch is anoying, and i'm not going to disable GPU rendering of sense to get it working without glitches... must wait

daedric said:
I really like the sense 3.X roms... and i don't find them THAT slow (i have a DHD).
But that god damn graphic glitch is anoying, and i'm not going to disable GPU rendering of sense to get it working without glitches... must wait
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Im new to NAND HD2, but not new to the HD2 ( sold my 1st one, just got another the other day ) but I just flashed my first Android NAND ROM and I noticed all thse graphic glitches, i thought it was something else. But apparently its a common problem for everyone? No fix Im assuming.
Anyways im curious what you mean by DHD?
GHetting to performance, HD2 isnt bad at all! Im old time Android owner going back to the G1 and myTouch 3G.If you wanna see degraded performance try flashing a Sense rom on a G1 or 32B device. OWwwo

Well I can recommend Rafdroid rom. Its Sense2 stock froyo. Works mostly well.

So, did they ever fix those graphic glitches people keep complaning about?

MIUI builds are very slick, very impressive on the HD2, can't imagine it being any slicker or faster as there seems to be zero lag whatsoever.

Cyber Akuma said:
So, did they ever fix those graphic glitches people keep complaning about?
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there are roundabout fixes yes

I have the same question (which ROM to use?) but this post still doesnt not give me a clear answer. I have been using Mikhei777 sense 3.0 version (original) but it has lots of lag and is fairly sluggish. He has upgraded it a few times but now seems to be spending more time on the sense 3.5 version. Its my wifes phone so do not want to keep trying new versions. Just want someone to recommend a known good stable version...
Thanks

rzw said:
I have the same question (which ROM to use?) but this post still doesnt not give me a clear answer. I have been using Mikhei777 sense 3.0 version (original) but it has lots of lag and is fairly sluggish. He has upgraded it a few times but now seems to be spending more time on the sense 3.5 version. Its my wifes phone so do not want to keep trying new versions. Just want someone to recommend a known good stable version...
Thanks
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Rafdroid from Rafpigna if you want sense without glitches
HyperDroiD CM7 5.3.0 from Pongster ... my actual ROM ... stable, fast, last gingerbread 2.3.7 ... simply fantastic

nystao said:
Rafdroid from Rafpigna if you want sense without glitches
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Strange, I can't find that one here:
http://android.hd2roms.com/

I've been using Mikhei777's Android 2.2.1 Sense 2.0 rom for quite some time. It works great and haven't had any problems at all with it. The wifi hotspot works also. Not sure about bluetooth and USB tethering stuff. Don't use them. He deleted a lot of the useless system apps but there is a rar file you can download from the first post that has all of the deleted stuff in case there is something you want to put back in it. I've only put on Facebook and the text to speech stuff. I'm not using an ext on my phone since I have a TMOUS HD2 so, I don't have memory issues. Give it a try. If you don't like it you can always flash something else.

bethybabes69 said:
MIUI builds are very slick, very impressive on the HD2, can't imagine it being any slicker or faster as there seems to be zero lag whatsoever.
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exactly, wise words...
if you want a good rom with everything working, miui is the way to go. If your friend is not a hardcore techie, he better stays away from those Sense roms. try it for yourself and compare.. but seriously feature wise Sense is so outdated compared to miui (except the htc widgets maybe).
cheers

The worst about MIUI, it's that laggish launcher/desktop.
I don't know why... it fells "low frame rate".

daedric said:
The worst about MIUI, it's that laggish launcher/desktop.
I don't know why... it fells "low frame rate".
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That's why I use PAT's MIUI Rom with Sense launcher. It combines the best of the 2 world's. Very fast,customizable and everything is working like in other MIUI rom's and a very good, customizable launcher with the most important sense widget's.
No graphic glitches, not a disabled GPU acceleration and camcorder with full resolution and without lags. And the newest Android 2.3.7 version.
Use this rom since some month's, will never go back to the slow sense rom's. Only the dialer facebook integration of the sense dialer isn't there, but I don't have facebook and Co. But there is already an alternative dialer on the market, probably he can also display the actual feelings (posted in facebook) of the incoming caller and such nonsense.

daedric said:
The worst about MIUI, it's that laggish launcher/desktop.
I don't know why... it fells "low frame rate".
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now you have surprised me not sure which version of miui you are refering to, but i am on jan-willems miui and there is zero lag (its butter smooth) on the luncher. basically there are no issues at all.
btw installing a 3rd party launcher on miui is a no go, as it decrases the fuctionality.. people no offense, but you need to read the miui bible
@Nixda99
one question, what do you mean by:
"Only the dialer facebook integration of the sense dialer isn't there, but I don't have facebook and Co."?
When i get a call from a Facebook contact i can actually see its profile pic from facebook. On contact details i also see his status or last comment or whatever its called clicking on it, opens the facebook app and goes to this comment. is that what you meant?

If you are looking for a good ROM, Team Blue Droid have produced an excellent sense 3.5 Rom which looks the business and works far better than many others I have flashed recently on mh EU HD2. I am not that technically minded regarding SD card partition types, but I run mine via SD card after flasing a 1024 partition using CMR and the accompanying DAF.exe.
link is below
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1275119

marcusloosewire99 said:
If you are looking for a good ROM, Team Blue Droid have produced an excellent sense 3.5 Rom which looks the business and works far better than many others I have flashed recently on mh EU HD2. I am not that technically minded regarding SD card partition types, but I run mine via SD card after flasing a 1024 partition using CMR and the accompanying DAF.exe.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1275119
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I totally agree. The latest version 2.2 is just fantastic

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@Nixda99
one question, what do you mean by:
"Only the dialer facebook integration of the sense dialer isn't there, but I don't have facebook and Co."?
When i get a call from a Facebook contact i can actually see its profile pic from facebook. On contact details i also see his status or last comment or whatever its called clicking on it, opens the facebook app and goes to this comment. is that what you meant?
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Yes!
There are missing also the hardware switching widgets (WLAN, Mobile Network...) but all is in the top status bar. You have only the contacts and the calendar widget, but it's enough for me.
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car01 said:
I totally agree. The latest version 2.2 is just fantastic
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But no hardware acceleration or with graphical glitches, only the new sense kernels should solve this problem. I don't know if there already stable.
How many free ram do you have after start with this rom?