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Sleuth's TyTN notes

My TyTN arrived on 8/9. I have a 2GB microSD card.
General
It's serial number is HT628.
The kbd backlight timeout on this device is 30 seconds . This one only has a detent on the right side. The caps lock mode is different: you now have to hit <alt>CAPS to lock caps mode. In fact, this is graphically displayed by showing the "Caps" function in blue on the Shift key. Doing another <alt>CAPS disables. Locking Alt mode still requires a double press on the blue dot key, but now its disabled by pressing the blue dot again once.
I have not tested UMTS since its not available in my area yet.
Processor Speed-wise, it feels about the same as my 8125 overclocked to 240mhz
I set up exchange direct push with no problems. Vibrate on new mail alert works just fine when the device is in powersave mode.
I have not been successful at enabling the Edge Icon using the known reghack. I also tried installing the Cingular EdgeIconEnable cab from the extrom and this had no effect either. However, speed comparisons between the TyTN and my 8125 produced startling results. Using www.2wire.com, my 8125 turned in 50-70 KB/sec. The TyTN never dropped below 100KB/sec in 5 successive tests. In fact, one test ran 294KB/sec :shock: I didn't think edge ran that fast.... Nevertheless, the Edge issue is icon only. The performance of this device on Edge networks is better than my wizard by about 2X.
WiFi connects well and switches smoothly from GPRS.
Bluetooth
This device set up perfectly with my BMW bluetooth handsfree system. All contacts were downloaded correctly and connect time is very fast
This device set up perfectly with my ThinkOutside bluetooth keyboard. I used the latest kbd driver available on think outside's website. However, if my TyTN is in landscape mode and it enters powersave mode, portrait mode is re-selected when I exit powersave mode. This is a bit of a PITA if I've got the TyTN on the keyboard stand....
A2DP
I'm testing with the HP iPAQ Bluetooth stereo headphones, also sold by Logitech. This device was one of the best of all devices tested on the HTC Wizard btw.
Where do I start.... My current impression is: not ready for prime time. I'm thinking of installing the A2DP cab from the Torando hack as it loads different versions that may have a positive effect on functionality.
I applied all the reghacks suggested and still get breakups.
A2DP stops working if you place the TyTN in powersave mode by tapping the power button
After playing for a while, I actually lose my ability to use the digizer. Taps aren't recognized. Fixing this is touch and go without resetting. I am generally able to go into powersave mode then return. However, the audio stream becomes so distorted when I do this that I have to kill TCPMP then shut off/turn on my headset again.... Major PITA!
WMP doesn't even recognize the headset and still plays through the speakers. It will completely lock up my TyTN if I pair my headset while its playing music.
Everything eventually slows to a crawl when A2DP is active. Something is using up more and more of the processor and this may have some bearing on the breakup issue because interestingly, when you first start using A2DP, everything is fine; it just degrades slowly over time and eventually even trashes the digitizer.
edit: I installed the dll's and associated cert from the Tornado A2DP project and these had no impact on performance. In fact they may have made performance a little worse. I also tweaked the registry settings to match the Tornado project and these had no effect either. What seems to have worked the best so far is tweaking the Priority256 settings of the bluetooth and WAVE processes to lower values (somewhat counter intuitive). More on this later if I find these settings are significant to a successful tweak. My gut feeling is that they are not and that the real issue lies elsewhere.
Applications
Spb Pocket plus installed with no issues
Spb Backup installed with no issues
Sbp Time throws a SpbTimeNotify.exe execution error on startup. Usually auto-timezones is the culprit here. However, the timezone page reghack didn't enable the timezone page in phone settings.
Novii Remote appears to work just fine (although, with IR on the bottom instead of the side I'll need to re-work all my setups). IR range is dismal though, about 1 meter max vs. my 8125 which easily did 4-5 meters. Bummer here
My SipChange app works just fine (naturally)
Initial Conclusions
As a business device, this thing is rock solid. Push email works great and the jog dial makes one-handed use much more possible. The faster Edge processing makes data retrieval better even if you don't have a UMTS signal.
The good stuff isn't working though. There's a major bug in the A2DP implementation. Some process slowly eats up processor cycles when its running until the entire device slows to a crawl. I'll keep working on this.
It took all day to wear down the battery. On GSM, at least, this device seems to have the same battery life as my 8125. I'm also thinking this might use the same battery as the CDMA Apache. If so, there's drop in replacements that add more capacity. I'll be checking into this too...
More posts to follow....

sleuth,
Thanks for the post. I'm using the 8125 currently on T-mobiles network. I consistently get Edge speeds of 70 to 124 kpbs using www.dslreports.com. I tried the www.2wire.com and it was even faster (134 kbs). Though I have measured speeds with other services, it is unusual. Please try the speed test on dslreports.
I also find it odd that the A2dp isn't working. Have you tried the I-Phono, Motorola, or Jabra stereo headsets. I thought they had better reviews?
Thanks again for the heads up. I may wait a bit before getting the TyTN. I've also considered getting an Apache which I've tested between 300 and 700 kpbs on the Verizon network.

Keep in mind how I did the Edge test: I put my SIM in my TyTN and did 5 successive tests. Then I put the SIM in my 8125 and did 5 tests. Thus I compared the performance of the two devices with the exact same tower layout/signal strength. My TyTN operated, on average, about twice as fast in this test. Now I know that in the Chicago area, I consistantly got better than 100KB/sec out of my 8125 too so this test indicates the TyTN's ability to achieve the same high thruput in conditions where my 8125 (running AKU2.3 and the 02.25.11 Radio ROM) didn't.

DSLReports tests with Cingular 3G
All of these were at 9:20 PM EDT and using the wireless.cingular.com proxy server.
Test 1: 839 kb/s
Test 2: 915 kb/s
Test 3: 929 kb/s
Test 4: 900 kb/s
Test 5: 894 kb/s
Avg for Test: 895.4 kb/s
At other times, I have seen as high as 1.2 Mb/s.

hjkl;' why no delete?

Update:
I have bad "." and uparrow keys. They only work if I press them really hard. I am exchanging this TyTN for a new one because of this.
In general, UMTS/HSDPA speeds and the ability to simultaneously handle voice/data is the only reason to upgrade from a Wizard IMHO. I believe that the A2DP issue will eventually be fixed, but for now you must be prepared to trade A2DP for high speed data.

more A2DP settings info
I've got to say this: lowering the priority256 value of the WAVE process sure does improve things. I made it 255 and the btaudio driver 254 and its the best I've had it. Damn near usable. There may be other issues with the WAVE driver priority being so low though like stuttering notifications.
However, after 5 minutes or so, the problem slowley builds up until its bad again. This leads me to believe that there are two problems. One having to do with processor slowly being eaten up by an unknown process and the other having to do with priority interactions between the wave and bt audio drivers. If you want to play with the relevant priority256 values yourself, here's the values:
HKLM/Drivers/BuiltIn/BtA2dpSnd/Priority256 = 254
HKLM/Drivers/Builtin/WaveDev/Priority256 = 255
The system seems to work best if the btaudio driver has a higher priority than the wave driver. Priorities are higher if their Priority256 values are lower btw.
I'm still working to understand what is slowley eating the processor. Has anybody here seen a task manager that shows %proc utilization by process like the Windows Taskmanager does?

more A2DP settings info
....suc6....

goestoeleven,
Thanks for the report. Those speeds are amazing. They are similar to the EVDO speeds of the Apche on the Sprint and Verizon networks.
I may just have to give my son the wizard and go for this phone.
sleuth,
Have you tried the zokie a2dp .cab? It worked well adding a2dp to wizards which had ROMs without a2dp.
I'm sure a future ROM will cure any a2dp or other software problem I'd the phone is adopted widely which it will be.

Sleuth255, have you tried this Taskmanager from buzzdev http://buzzdev.net/component/option...view/id,18571/catid,27/limit,15/limitstart,0/

looks perfect. Tks!

Hey Sleuth you made any progress with the A2DP yet?
Great notes btw!

Can someone try these reg settings and report what they find? I applied them and did a quick test and didnt have any skips. But i'm at work and my battery is in the red (charged 2 days ago) so i cant test it extensively and be without a phone till i get to a charger.
Note: decimal values are in brackets
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\Builtin\Wavedev]
"Priority256"=dword:00000080 (128)
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\A2DP\Settings]
"UseJointStereo"=dword:00000000 (0)
"BitPool"=dword:0000003a (58)
"MaxSupportedBitPool"=dword:00000050 (80)
"MinSupportedBitPool"=dword:0000000e (14)
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\Builtin\BtA2dpSnd]
"Priority256"=dword:0000003c (60)

cam05 said:
Hey Sleuth you made any progress with the A2DP yet?
Great notes btw!
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I'm waiting for my replacement TyTN. s/b late next week I'm hoping, then I can get back on it.

Great! Out of curiosity I didnt see you mention anywhere that you had to send it back... what for?

The period and uparrow keys wouldn't work with normal pressure and the camera flash was inoperative: turning on the flash instead seemed to just short out the screen backlight.

Regarding the replacement of my TyTN...
My online supplier, www.phonesource-usa.com hasn't yet responded to any of my emails and phone calls into the status of my replacement. The device was returned within their 3 day exchange policy period and they received it on the morning of 8/18. I'm not concerned about this yet, however I will carefully document my ongoing experience, either good or bad here with regards to this online seller as well as with the replacement process here in the US for the TyTN itself.
Interestingly, phonesource-usa also no longer offers the TyTN on their website. This may be because they are out of stock and may very likely be having some impact on my replacement.
edit:
Christian from phonesource-usa got back to me today and they are indeed waiting on their next shipment of TyTNs. Apparantly there's also some issues with email correspondance and his earlier replies didn't reach me. At any rate, he's hoping that my replacement TyTN will be in my hands next week. Then I can start playing around again. I live for this btw.

Sleuth255 I also bought from phonesource and sent him an email on Saturday and havent heard anything back. Others though seem to have had good results with him so keep trying to contact him. Keep us updated on how things work out.

@efjay: see the edit to my post above yours. Christian at phonesource seems to be having issues with email deliveries. I did an explicit accept to my Spam filter on him and his reply got right through. Maybe a spam filter has locked into his address for some reason.

Thanks Sleuth255 for the info. I will probably try again later today.

cellular engineering/test data is available! (like Nokia test mode)

Months ago I asked about this here, and no one seemed to know how to get the cellular radio info (cell ID, dB strength, etc.). After more searching around the net, I finally found it.
On some WM phones there is a utility called FieldTest.exe in the /Windows folder. I didn't see it on my Athena, so I searched the net. You can get it here, after registering with that board:
http://discuss.treocentral.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16140&d=1200066698
Note, there are two versions available on the net, the newest one shows "CellID" at the bottom of the "WCDMA" screen. Older versions don't, so if you look for it yourself, make sure you see "CellID". Once you get the file, place it in the /Windows folder.
You can also find a manual that explains some of what the various screens mean. :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1079220
1. Once you get the file, place it in the /Windows folder.
2. Reboot.
3. Either run the file directly, or go into the phone and dial *#*#364#*#* (don't press send); within a few seconds the app will run.
4. You may need to add the following keys to \HKLM\Software\HTC\EngineerMode and then reboot before it will work:
- BuildInEngineeringModeApp with a value of 1 (try this by itself before trying the next key)
- LaunchEngineerModeAppDialStr with a value of *#*#364#*#* (or whatever you want)
Quirks I've noticed:
- not all fields are populated, even when they should be
- I can only get most of the fields populated after a reboot (or restarting the phone radio), the first time I run fieldtest.exe; after re-running it most fields are bad and I have to reboot; I've also found that it seems to stop updating some fields within seconds of running
- even when I get the fields to populate, some don't appear to update in real-time like the Nokia screens do even when I set the program to update every second
- "RSSI 1" should show the dB signal level, but is one of the fields that isn't reliable
- "RSSI" is a reliable signal strength, but doesn't show dB; values appear to be between 0 and 40, with 40 around -50 db (excellent) and 1 over -100 dB (horrible); I get 2 "bars" in the teens and 4 "bars in the 30's; my old Nokia at home has the Net Monitor active and I'll compare dB values tonight.
- some things that I'm used to seeing on the Nokia's net monitor isn't here, like Frame Error Rate, which is a dropped bit (noise) measurement of the current and neighboring cells
I mostly wanted this functionality because receiver dB is far more accurate than "bars". It seems I can get get close to this via "RSSI". Irritating that the proper dB reading should be shown in "RSSI 1" but often isn't. So, please update me on your experiences. If you find a version of fieldtest.exe that appears to be more accurate, PLEASE post it here. Thanks.

Did more testing last night. Turns out FieldTest was pre-installed on my wife's Tilt, and works properly on her stock WM6 ROM. I wonder if AP4 is giving me trouble, or if others find the same problems on the Athena.
Since the application was working correctly on her ROM, I spent some time getting various RSSI & RSSI 1 readings, and made a conversion table. Useful if you are only getting the internal RSSI value, and not the converted (to dB) RSSI 1 value like I am. From 4 years of always tracking my dB readings on my old Nokia, I added my own interpretation of good vs. bad signal, although the receiver seems to be more sensitive on the Athena so we will probably get better results than what I indicated from my Nokia. I may adjust this later. Note that I found the dB reading could be +/- 2, I just recorded the value I saw most often.
RSSI / RSSI 1 (dB) / my interpretation
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10 -109
11 -107
12 -105
13 -103
14 -101 unusable ^
15 -99
16 -97
17 -95
18 -93
19 -91 possibly useable for voice ^
20 -88
21 -86
22 -84
23 -82
24 -80 good signal ^
25 -78
26 -76
27 -74
28 -72
29 -71
30 -69 excellent signal ^ (continuing to -50 db)
I couldn't get readings better than -69 or worse than -109, if I see these values in the future I'll update. However, in the real world anything worse than -100 is unusable anyway, and anything better than -75 is perfect so extending the chart wouldn't be very useful.

This might prove very useful. I have serious connection problems at home and therefor must buy an external GSM antenna..the DB strength indicator could help me a bit in finding an optimal antenna. Thanks for the info.

will_990 said:
This might prove very useful. I have serious connection problems at home and therefor must buy an external GSM antenna..the DB strength indicator could help me a bit in finding an optimal antenna. Thanks for the info.
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That is exactly what first got me interested in Nokia's Net Monitor (and a long standing interest in ham radio). Using it I could verify that an external antenna I bought for my Nokia boosted the signal by -12 dB. Far more accurate than saying "I think I got one extra bar." I bought a new adapter for that antenna for my Athena, but I've found the Athena has such a sensitive receiver I don't use the antenna with it.

[Benchmark] How Fast is your wifi

Hallo Folks,
I think my WiFi-Connection on my brand new HTC Blackstone is very slow. But I had the same problem with my older tytn II.
I have to say, that I am rather hazy about the speed one can achieve...
Here you can get a 10/100/2000 MB testfile: http://www2.qsc.de/dltest/
So I will start and will update this list:
me: 533 kbps
bbonzz: 1750 kbps
Please say how fast you are connected with the internet, so we can except the internet connection.
p.s.: Sorry for my bad english!

tested two days ago with 1mb file -->1750 kbps

Can you tell me what channel you are using.. perhaps it has something to do with it. I use one (next used channel is 11) and alternative for testing 13, but its the same!

11. But i connect to a 20mbps lan, so maybe you have a slower connection hotspot

hmm... i have 16 mbit, so somehow something is wrong
could it have something to do with different radio or maybe i have a different network stack in my win mob 6.1 ?

Have you already enlarged the connection window via HDTweak and enabled WlanG? (last one i'm not sure makes any difference, but surely doesn't harm)

Yes - i have checked the first thing and applied the second thing u mentioned... no differenze
I now tried duttys latest rom... but still the same

The page you linked to redirects to the homepage.
I tested on www.ozspeedtest.com
On both the 600KB and 3MB files I got exactly:
1.63MBps
My internet speed is:
20Mbps

Htc diamond 2 gps causes soft reset.

I have my Topaz for 2 weeks. When ever I try to use a gps related anykind of software on my hadheld, it resets itself after few minutes or hours sometimes it goes on for as long as 8 hours but most of the time with in half an hour it shuts it self and restarts. which does not make any sense at all. I tried variety of things to fix this including flashing stock roms, cooked roms and different radio roms. I also disabled gps log file and deleted the old one. I also made the following changes in my reg.
HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\
- Drivers\GpsOneDevice\PollInterval -> 100 (default is 1000)
- Drivers\InputBufferSize -> 512 (default is 4096)
- Drivers\OutputBufferSize -> 512 (default is 4096)
- Drivers\SleepOnNoData -> 100 (default is 1000)
- Multiplexer\MaxBufferSize -> 512
But still no luck . It has no problem with logging to sats. but resetting issue continues. I use the following gps software programs:
TomTom Navigator
G-watch
GPS meter 5
Google earth
Spoty pal.
and they all respond the same
I am currently configured as: Duttys Topaz WM6.5 Leo R1 WWE
Radio 4.48.25.13. add onstorage sandisk 2 8gb.
Since I purchased my topaz in Holland on a business trip I have no valid warranty where I live therefore I keep my fingers crossed and praying that it is not an harware related issue. I will appriciate any suggestion of yours.

I have the same issue. Sometime TD2 resets while iGO was running. No problems with TOMTOM. Weird.

serkano said:
I have my Topaz for 2 weeks. When ever I try to use a gps related anykind of software on my hadheld, it resets itself after few minutes or hours sometimes it goes on for as long as 8 hours but most of the time with in half an hour it shuts it self and restarts. which does not make any sense at all. I tried variety of things to fix this including flashing stock roms, cooked roms and different radio roms. I also disabled gps log file and deleted the old one. I also made the following changes in my reg.
HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\
- Drivers\GpsOneDevice\PollInterval -> 100 (default is 1000)
- Drivers\InputBufferSize -> 512 (default is 4096)
- Drivers\OutputBufferSize -> 512 (default is 4096)
- Drivers\SleepOnNoData -> 100 (default is 1000)
- Multiplexer\MaxBufferSize -> 512
But still no luck . It has no problem with logging to sats. but resetting issue continues. I use the following gps software programs:
TomTom Navigator
G-watch
GPS meter 5
Google earth
Spoty pal.
and they all respond the same
I am currently configured as: Duttys Topaz WM6.5 Leo R1 WWE
Radio 4.48.25.13. add onstorage sandisk 2 8gb.
Since I purchased my topaz in Holland on a business trip I have no valid warranty where I live therefore I keep my fingers crossed and praying that it is not an harware related issue. I will appriciate any suggestion of yours.
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No i don't think this is an hardware issue. Just wait for the official 6.5 update.

Ive got the exact same problem as well

Samsung i5700 Galexy spica - Kindly advise

hi
for a long time i wanted to buy an android phone and i just found one in my budget ie the Samsung i5700 Galexy spica
attached specs it cost around 13,000 INR roughly 270$
this is the cheapest in my country ie India
1. can some one kindly advise on this phone as im a WM user
2.how can i transfer my phone contact to this phone
ie can i use pim or outlook to tranfer my phone numbers i got around 500contacts all important
specs link : http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i5700_galaxy_spica-2965.php
SPECS AS PER GSM ARENA GIVEN BELOW
General 2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100
HSDPA 850 / 1900 - American version
Announced 2009, September
Status Available. Released 2009, November
Size Dimensions 115 x 57 x 13.2 mm
Weight 124 g
Display Type TFT capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 320 x 480 pixels, 3.2 inches
- Accelerometer sensor for UI auto-rotate
Sound Alert types Vibration; MP3, WAV ringtones
Speakerphone Yes
- 3.5 mm audio jack
- DNSe (Digital Natural Sound Engine)
Memory Phonebook Practically unlimited entries and fields, Photocall
Call records Practically unlimited
Internal 180 MB storage
Card slot microSD, up to 32GB, buy memory
Data GPRS Class 12 (4+1/3+2/2+3/1+4 slots), 32 - 48 kbps
EDGE Class 12
3G HSDPA, 3.6 Mbps
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth Yes v2.1 with A2DP
Infrared port No
USB Yes, microUSB v2.0
Camera Primary 3.15 MP, 2048x1536 pixels, autofocus
Features Geo-tagging
Video Yes, [email protected]
Secondary No
Features OS Android OS, v1.5 (Cupcake)/ v2.1 (Eclair)
CPU 800MHz processor
Messaging SMS(threaded view), MMS, Email, IM
Browser HTML
Radio No
Games Yes
Colors Black, White
GPS Yes, with A-GPS support
Java Via third party application
- Digital compass
- MP4/H.263/H.264/WMV/DivX player
- MP3/eAAC+/WMA player
- Google Search, Maps, Gmail,
YouTube, Calendar, Google Talk integration
- Organizer
- Voice memo
Battery Standard battery, Li-Ion 1500 mAh
Stand-by Up to 650 h (2G) / Up to 580 h (3G)
Talk time Up to 11 h 30 min (2G) / Up to 6 h 50 min (3G)
Misc SAR US 0.55 W/kg (head) 0.61 W/kg (body)
SAR EU 0.59 W/kg (head)
Price group [About 250 EUR]
thanks in advance for ur kind advise

Spica is a good phone. If you are using Outlook then you can got to import/transfer then transfer all contacts as a cvs file then go gmail click contact and then import the cvs file from your computer. Important when you save the cvs file name it Contacts.
Hope this helps.

If you're using Windows, Samsung have a PC Suite program called Kies (or something like that) which you can use to transfer contacts to and from the phone into e.g. Outlook. I don't use Windows, however, so I don't really know much about it.

haree said:
hi
for a long time i wanted to buy an android phone and i just found one in my budget ie the Samsung i5700 Galexy spica
attached specs it cost around 13,000 INR roughly 270$
this is the cheapest in my country ie India
1. can some one kindly advise on this phone as im a WM user
2.how can i transfer my phone contact to this phone
ie can i use pim or outlook to tranfer my phone numbers i got around 500contacts all important
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first of all congrats on choosing a good phone.
I have been using this phone for the last 3 months and am bloody impressed.
Android is any day better than WM (I have used the O2 atom for quite some time, that's how i came to know about xda, was flashing was O2 with new roms every day until the sim tray broke and now it's dead meat).
The only two drawbacks of the phone are - no flash in camera, and no radio.
The touch is very good (not as good as the iPhone but better than the nokia's).
To import the contacts export them as csv or vcf and upload to your google contacts and then sync with your spica and kaboom, all your contacts are there.

where are all the spicas!
Can anyone throw some light on where can I find the phone in Mumbai or online, I have been looking for it for some time now and can't find it; no listings on ebay either.