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Bluetooth Modem to Laptop HSDPA Speeds

I am supposedly in a UTMS/HSDPA zone (Detroit MI). The phone show me a "U" in the status bar. I've read the speed is around 1.5Mb/s. But I am getting only 30KB/s - 50KB/s MAX using the Hermes as a bluetooth modem! This sucks!
Is this speed limited by bluetooth? If I use the phone as a USB modem instead, does that increase the speed significantly? It's a much more involved setup to do this however.
Or am I missing something? These speeds are atrociuos for what I am paying. I expect MUCH MUCH higher speeds. Please someone enlighten me or I am going to cancel the stupid service.
Very frustrated. Thanks for any input.

Anyone?

I have the same problem via USB, here 60 miles north of Manila, Philippines. Best I can figure, it has to do with the radio stack being used...? I am using Orange m3100, but my buddies in Manila using Dopod 838 Pro and/or Universal, get real 3G speeds with no special settings...

What version of BT is on your laptop? Older versions than 2.0 are very slow. I use USB and get 700 Kbps avg with 2 bars of UMTS in Bay area, CA.

anubus12 - partly the answer gave you Chirunavvutho. Check what kind of BT adapter you have in your computer, which version.
Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth for details about versions and about speeds.
But, in my opinion and my practice BT option is much slower then USB connection. First of all all interference with other radios (especially WiFi [same bandwith], and other apliences like CRT monitors and TV, microwave ovens even fridge - it sounds weird but they do interfere.
Second - when your device has to be like a midleman, and has to use GSM/WCDMA radio to get information and then send it by BT radio it will limit it's speed. Actually both speed end efficency. That is why it is better to use USB.
Third - I do not know which version of HSDPA has Cingular in your area. Remember that even if they have 3.6 Mbps speeds may be much lower, due to many reasons - lot of users, kloged backbone etc.
Forth - for info on HSDPA go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA
drummer10630 - find out FieldTest_157 here on xda-developers. It is monitoring application for Hermes. Find if you have HSDPA in your area. Remember that pure UMTS (WCDMA) has only 384 kbps. This app will tell you what kind of connection you have. You have here also manual if you do not know what to look for.
Hope this helps you guys

No EDR
The Hermes/TyTN supports Bluetooth 2.0 but not EDR. The maximum speed is 721 kbit/s, or about 90 kbyte/s.

abubasim said:
The Hermes/TyTN supports Bluetooth 2.0 but not EDR. The maximum speed is 721 kbit/s, or about 90 kbyte/s.
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My buddy has a PCMCIA Card with EVDO Rev0. I put it the same computer and got constant DL rates at around 100Kb/s. That is very acceptable.
Using BT 2.0, it's horrible. I don't get anywhere close to 90Kb/sec.
So now, it might make more sense that USB would yield higher download rates. MAYBE.

Pawlisko said:
anubus12 - partly the answer gave you Chirunavvutho. Check what kind of BT adapter you have in your computer, which version.
Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth for details about versions and about speeds.
But, in my opinion and my practice BT option is much slower then USB connection. First of all all interference with other radios (especially WiFi [same bandwith], and other apliences like CRT monitors and TV, microwave ovens even fridge - it sounds weird but they do interfere.
Second - when your device has to be like a midleman, and has to use GSM/WCDMA radio to get information and then send it by BT radio it will limit it's speed. Actually both speed end efficency. That is why it is better to use USB.
Third - I do not know which version of HSDPA has Cingular in your area. Remember that even if they have 3.6 Mbps speeds may be much lower, due to many reasons - lot of users, kloged backbone etc.
Forth - for info on HSDPA go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA
drummer10630 - find out FieldTest_157 here on xda-developers. It is monitoring application for Hermes. Find if you have HSDPA in your area. Remember that pure UMTS (WCDMA) has only 384 kbps. This app will tell you what kind of connection you have. You have here also manual if you do not know what to look for.
Hope this helps you guys
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Thank you very much for the clarification. I'll check USB out to see if the x-fer rate is faster.
As to FiedlTest_157, I downloaded the manual and can't really make heads or tails of how to read it. The manual gives you some parameters, but how do I know what type of connection I have? UTMS/HSDPDA or EDGE?

anubus12 - let me tell you few things and then I will answer your questions. OK?
If you want to have fast data access for your PC - use PCMCIA cards or build in systems - IBM has few notebooks with it, other I do not care
I can assure you that it will be quicker then any connection via USB/BT because hardware and software (drivers and apps) are dedicated only to handle DUN (dial up networking).
So there is no point of comparing PCMCIA cards to PocketPC telephones. Especially when you are using two different networks.
I had HTC Apache in Sprint and Hermes in T-Mobile/Cingular and then I can tell you that Sprint network is simply faster then Cingular. First of all Sprint in my area is fully EVDO-Rev.0 and Cingular is UMTS sometimes HSDPA or EDGE depends on radio used, interference, or even air (windy/raining/t-storm - it has some influence).
HTC Hermes just like other PocketPC handles DUN well, but it is more like backup connection, not when you need it all the time. Just get the info and finish connection. Not because price per MB but they were not build to work this way. You need PCMCIA cards for that purpose (constant net access).
Most of people here might disagree but if you are not traveling internationally on regular basis - use Sprint or Verizon - it is faster and more reliable. Sorry guys its the truth.
When T-Mobile will start 3G it might be different thou T-Mobile has expirence in other countries but other networks has this advantage.
If you traver internationally then you have to use Cingular or T-Mobile. For corporate use I would choose Cingular for personal T-Mobile.
My point is that you cannot compare something which is not comperable. Back to your questions.
anubus12 said:
As to FiedlTest_157, I downloaded the manual and can't really make heads or tails of how to read it. The manual gives you some parameters, but how do I know what type of connection I have? UTMS/HSDPDA or EDGE?
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OK, let me put it in the easy way
You have Cingular so your only choice is UMTS/HSDPA (3G) and EDGE (2G) because Cingular claims that it's network is fully EDGE enabled.
When on top screen bar you have G (or when using aku 3.3 - E) you are going to GSM (for basic data), AMR (for speach codecs), GPRS (for data connection).
When on top screen bar you have U (or when using aku 3.3 U or H) you are going to WCDMA (for basic data) or HSDPA CQI Status (for knowledge is HSDPA is in use). Well if you see H (aku 3.3) you know that you are in HSDPA area. But if you are using aku 2.3 you are going to HSDPA CQI Status.
You have to know that GSM/GPRS/EDGE data are time and usage driven due to it is TDMA network (Time Division Multiple Access). It means that network data are given to you every few seconds. Because data transfers it is usage then when you are finished data is 0 because nothing is happening. You have to monitor during transfer.
UMTS/HSDPA data are event driven due to it is CDMA network (Code Division Multiple Access). It means that you will see something during and after event. Like after download, but you have to have FieldTest open during download to record data. You are in HSDPA when after/during download in HDSPA CQI Status group CQI1-10 fields are more then 0.
Hope this helps, if you have more question just ask

I use both bluetooth and usb on the cingular network with my tytn.
And yes, bluetooth is much slower than usb regardless of the type of bluetooth on the pc.
I usually get 300-400 on bluetooth and 800-1300 on usb. higher speeds with vista vs xp (don't know why tho) I doubt you will ever get 1.5 mbs as you mention, unless you are the only person using that particular cell tower

@Pawlisko....My problem is that I do get 3G speeds when using the unit itself, browsing, streaming, etc..., but when I use it as a modem for my laptop, from the same location, during the same time frame, I only get one tenth the speeds. Are there different versions of the USBMDM.inf that would cause such a thing? I have experimented with init string settings, and for some reason, using NO init string gives me the fastest speeds.

eagle 1 said:
I usually get 300-400 on bluetooth and 800-1300 on usb. higher speeds with vista vs xp (don't know why tho) I doubt you will ever get 1.5 mbs as you mention, unless you are the only person using that particular cell tower
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eagle 1 - By your end of quote I can tell you that still you are thinking old way
Huge advantage of CDMA is it's multi connection to tower bases. There is no handover like in TDMA system. In large city your cell might be served by many towers (TyTN 1 to 6).
HSDPA is regarding of category 0.9/1.2/1.8/3.6 Mbps (current). During 2007 CeBit in Hanover 7.3 Mbps will be shown. It will go thru 10.2 to 14.4 Mbps (max) in near future. Of course like any other link you have to substract overhead of TCP/IP protocol data of avg. 20%.
Like fast ethenet - suppose to be 100 Mbps = 12.5 MBps, if you will get 80 Mbps = 10 MBps of real transfer you have very fast network.
If you have more questions - ask

drummer10630 said:
@Pawlisko....My problem is that I do get 3G speeds when using the unit itself, browsing, streaming, etc..., but when I use it as a modem for my laptop, from the same location, during the same time frame, I only get one tenth the speeds. Are there different versions of the USBMDM.inf that would cause such a thing? I have experimented with init string settings, and for some reason, using NO init string gives me the fastest speeds.
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drummer10630 - did you check your speed using any speed tester? Sometimes speed is relative. Remember that some pages are optimised for PDAs with less ads, better html coding etc.
First of all - do not change anything - no strings. Just put your APN in TyTN and dial *98# should be the fastest way.
Second - check if you have installed in your computer software like IM/update that will use some band without your knowledge. That can kill your connection for good.
And last - delete everything for comp - inf files, and related dlls. Install one more time and do not change anything. As plan as it can be.
As usualy - if you have more questions - ask

I can get about 70KB/s download with my laptop's built-in bluetooth module ( 2.0+edr) and tytn and about 150KB/s via usb ( i'm in Italy with VODAFONE operator ).
Using a 1.2 BT dongle on the pc will reduce speed at about 40KB/s ... this is the connection speed from the pc to the device and not from the device and the operator network ( network speed is independent from your pc to tytn connection ).
Just a question : how can be the tytn BT 2.0 without edr since the specs tell that only differences from 1.2 bt vers and 2.0 bt vers is only the speed increase and there isn't a 2.0 without edr in the bt specs ???

vdavide said:
I can get about 70KB/s download with my laptop's built-in bluetooth module ( 2.0+edr) and tytn and about 150KB/s via usb ( i'm in Italy with VODAFONE operator ).
Using a 1.2 BT dongle on the pc will reduce speed at about 40KB/s ... this is the connection speed from the pc to the device and not from the device and the operator network ( network speed is independent from your pc to tytn connection ).
Just a question : how can be the tytn BT 2.0 without edr since the specs tell that only differences from 1.2 bt vers and 2.0 bt vers is only the speed increase and there isn't a 2.0 without edr in the bt specs ???
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OK, let me answer.
I do not know how abubasim knows that TyTN does not have EDR but this is meaningless.
Your speeds are normal. First of all maximum speed is something which normally is never achived. Why? Because of interference, not optimal power scheme etc. Just like WiFi (IEEE 802.11g) you will never get transfer of 54 Mbps = 6.75 MBps even with protocols overhead (of 20%) = 5.4 MBps. Real transfer is 1.5-2.5 MBps.
Now BT speeds:
BT 1.2 - 721 kbps = 90.125 kBps = real transfer max 72.1 kBps so your speed of 40 kBps is normal with this type. I would said that this is good link speed.
BT 2.0 - 3 Mbps = 384 kBps = real transfer max 307.2 kBps but as per wikipedia data transfer is 3xBT 1.2 = 2.11 Mbps = 270.375 kBps = real transfer max 216.3 kBps so your transfer of 70 kBps is roughly 1/3 so it is about right. I would say that 110 kBps is what you may get, if more you are lucky.
I do not know if TyTN has EDR - in my opinion it may have, but it has to be chcecked.
Hope this helps, if you have any other questions - ask

Pawlisko said:
First of all - do not change anything - no strings. Just put your APN in TyTN and dial *98# should be the fastest way.
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You may have meant *99# ? ;-)

@Pawlisko :
i think the tytn has 2.0+EDR also if HTC website say 2.0 without edr ( this mean nothing if you read the BT specs ) .
I was using a samsung Z560 HSDPA before ( BT 1.2) and max download speed via BT in conjunction to my 2.0+edr laptop never reach up to 40KB/s.
Now with tytn i can reach up to 70KB/s and a stable 55KB/s , i mean tytn has real BT2.0+edr imho...

Menneisyys said:
You may have meant *99# ? ;-)
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Right. My bad

Something that you may not have thought of. Set the baud rate on your Bluetooth serial ports to the highest rate at which you can communicate. Mine is set for 460Kbps. It made a serious difference for me. I didn't perform any measurements but I did see the difference. The default rate is 115200. This was the mistake that most folks made with standard modems. The default serial port rate was 9600 and a 56K modem needed to have data fed to it at at least 115200 to keep its compression engine busy. It didn't matter if you had a 56K data connection if you were only feeding it at 9600. The same principle seems to apply here, at least in my case.
Just my .02.

jblanken64 said:
Something that you may not have thought of. Set the baud rate on your Bluetooth serial ports to the highest rate at which you can communicate. Mine is set for 460Kbps. It made a serious difference for me. I didn't perform any measurements but I did see the difference. The default rate is 115200. This was the mistake that most folks made with standard modems. The default serial port rate was 9600 and a 56K modem needed to have data fed to it at at least 115200 to keep its compression engine busy. It didn't matter if you had a 56K data connection if you were only feeding it at 9600. The same principle seems to apply here, at least in my case.
Just my .02.
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How do you set the modem to 460Kbps? The bluetooth modem is set as a standard modem at 115200, which is the MAX. I don't see an option for 460kps. Are you saying to set it up the BT connection as something other than a standard modem?

HTC Hermes VS Herald

Hello.
I used to own a HTC TyTN (Hermes) for a while but I sold it because I had some problems with screen alignment and sometimes the phone was on and geting a good reception and still I couldn't be reached.
Anyway, now I would like to buy a new PDA and I am thinking about buying a new TyTN or a P4350 (Herald). What do you guys think?
- The TyTN has a Samsung 400 mhz processor and sometimes I found it a tad slow, the Herald has a 200mhz processor found on most HTC products. Will the Herald be even slower?
- I see the Herald has no dedicated buttons on top of the screen (for Outlook and Internet Explorer) but can I set a given button to launch a program? (like arrow up, down, etc..) It was not possible on the Hermes.
- In size and weight matters I think we all agree that the Herald is better.
- Connectivity: the Herald has no IrDA (which is useless to me) and no UMTS. Can I have a decent internet connection speed with EDGE or HSDPA?
- Herald doesn't have video call support but it's not that important, altought I have 120 minutes of video calls for free and I won't spend them.
- What is really important is the qwerty keypad. It's just imposible to write sms or email with the virtual keyboard. Which keypad is better? Herald's or TyTN's?
EDIT: - Macro mode on the TyTN was really great and usefull. That one will me missed if I buy a Herald.
Which one would you suggest knowing that I will use it mainly for web browsing, reading and writing emails, phone calls, listening to mp3s, etc...
Thanks a lot.

if one of your main concerns is web browsing
if you have 3G in your Area...seems like the TyTN would be the choice
as it has a UMTS/HSDPA Radio
as long as you have a way of charging it when the battery gets eaten up
the 400mhz vs 200mhz issue
yes, im sure that the 200mhz would be slower than the hermes
Keyboard-Wise
idk about the Herald...but my TyTN Keyboard has become a little unresponsive and i need to press some buttons hard sometimes
i think this is a hardware defect and im looking into it
it does require me to take mine apart...again...lol
hope this helps

Hey,
I have first an TYTN and sold them (Buy Dezember 2006): A lot of Problems and bugfixes
Then I buy an Herald: First wonderfull, but if you use many programms 200mHZ to slow. No scroll whell but ab better keyboard.
4 Weeks ago I sold them and buy again a TYTN and since then; I love it, but the keyboard from the Herald is better
----> If you ask me: I will buy an TYTN again
Regards
Oliver

Neverwork said:
if one of your main concerns is web browsing
if you have 3G in your Area...seems like the TyTN would be the choice
as it has a UMTS/HSDPA Radio
as long as you have a way of charging it when the battery gets eaten up
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Thank for your answer.
Well, I do have 3G coverage and I will use the device for web browsing and email so I think the Hermes (TyTN) would suit me better. What kind of connections does the Herald have? Here is only states that it has EDGE. How fast can that go?

For a Comparison between EDGE and HSDPA
in my area my results were:
EDGE: 156kb/s
HSDPA: 896kb/s
and HSDPA had a much lower pingtime

the herald is a lot thinner if that matters, and to my girlfriend( and myself if i needed a keyboard) a slim phone almost means more than anything. the 200mhz didn't feel slower yet, but then i'll run two programs max, and could live with the speed since the tytn didn't feel too much faster.
we're with t-mobile, so 3g wasn't important or available, but if i had it, i'm unsure that would sway me. going wifi doesn't seem all that fast either. we don't browse the web much, mostly just email and certain data-pulling programs so the 3g isn't all that to us.
but the keyboard, and all front keys, and the sliding keyboard mechanism are all so much nicer. the front keys are the best of the 6-8 htc products i've run across. similar in feel to the Jam, whereas the 8525 are the worst(notice, 8525, not htc tytn itself).
if i had to choose, it'd be the herald unless the web is a BIG need

Fed up and im getting rid of my ameo

After 14 months of of ownership im finally getting rid of my ameo, there have been highs and lows, in some respects it is an excellent device, but the facts are these.
1) it is awkward to use as a phone
2) it is not competent enough to be used as a media device and struggles to play windows media video without the correct drivers for the ATI GPU, (and it seems that HTC dont care enough to try to fix that)
really and truly all the web browsers suck compared to a desktop PC, (but they have come along way in 14 months I have to admit)
the bottom line is this, it tries hard to be a computer but fails, it tries hard to be a phone but fails (so close on both counts and yet so far)
I have now gone and purchased myself a used oqo 01+ at the very knock down price of £288 it is roughly the same size as the ameo but (being a windows XP machine) infinitely more competent, I will be linking it when necessary to my phone (which will hopefully be a vario 4 *hsdpa 7.2Mbps*) when my contract ends in 4 months. At last, I will have an easy to use pocketable phone that I can hold to my ear and a fully fledged 30GB media device when I need it.
I finally see why Leoni did what he did !
PS
Another thing that used to wind me up was the fact that even though the ameo has HSDPA 1.2 mbps it was so slow loading web pages, infact being on wifi made no difference either, but when connected as a modem to my laptop, my laptop connection was really quick, it just made me think if my ameo is capable of passing this speed through to my laptop why can't it use it for itself, and then I realised it must just be yet another limitation with Win mobile.
PPS anybody want to buy an ameo, mint condition as it was replaced under warranty a month ago (including documantation to prove this) however the keyboard is tatty as it was not replaced !
£270 can meet up in london ! boxed with all the usual accessories + a docking cradle charger station + a second battery (now in poor condition)

I think you're the first person since Spacecat to agree with me. I sometimes miss the Ameo and consider buying another but in the end it would just be a toy.
I obtained a TyTn 2 recently (having initially HATED the Vario 3) and with the latest Dutty ROM it really is rather good. The QVGA screen matters little as Opera Mobile does such a stoic job, and browsing is my only cause for a VGA screen.....it would be nice though.
People bring up the size and weight of the TyTn 2 in conversation, which is a nice means of putting me off EVER getting an Ameo again....jeez.
You're right about video quality - the Ameo just doesn't cut it. The TyTn 2 isn't much better - though Coreplayer offers Qtv support for the Qualcomm chipset - but the Ameo only heightens the jerkiness and tearing with its 5" screen. I don't really watch much card-based video anyway, it's usually just Youtube.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Vario 4 - is that the Touch Pro?
Looks pretty hot, though I imagine some people just won't be happy unless their phone has a 5" screen. Me? I'm going for the Diamond: I've gotten used to the brilliant Diamond touchpad and enjoy using it. Although its memory is not expandable I've decided that 4gb is enough for me; If need be I've got an EEE to watch films on the train in a swankier fashion and conserve precious battery life.
Good luck with your sale sir

TBH I do a lot of streaming from home using ORB, and the ameo just strugles with a service that other phones do so easily ! I prefer the form-factor of the OQO over the eee, but I see why you went in that direction, I am not to fussed on the spec of my new phone, as it is solely going to be a phone/satnav and 7.2 mbps HSDPA modem, the fact is only the Vario 4 and compact 4 (touch diamond I believe) really fit the bill, but I want number buttons instead of a touch screen numeric pad, and a qwerty to text with, hence the vario choice.

ice_coffee said:
TBH I do a lot of streaming from home using ORB, and the ameo just strugles with a service that other phones do so easily ! I prefer the form-factor of the OQO over the eee, but I see why you went in that direction, I am not to fussed on the spec of my new phone, as it is solely going to be a phone/satnav and 7.2 mbps HSDPA modem, the fact is only the Vario 4 and compact 4 (touch diamond I believe) really fit the bill, but I want number buttons instead of a touch screen numeric pad, and a qwerty to text with, hence the vario choice.
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It might seem dreadful to say this...
GULP
but the Iphone 3g might fit the bill for you....that is, if you can live without Winmo.
There's coreplayer so you'll be able to play virtually any video file - no doubt in much better quality than any graphics-driverless HTC device!
A DEDICATED orb client which is absolutely brilliant: no more web-based Orbing, and it happily plays your streams in the background while you check mail, browse etc....
3g and HSDPA which you can share via WIFI adhoc.
GPS (Tomtom is already set for release)
Dedicated bbc iplayer support
And let's not forget it has the best browser and email client available....
And a whole host of companies queuing up to make software for it.
I'm certainly interested in it with so much cool stuff coming out, shame there's no keyboard but the onscreen QWERTY is very good.....
Apologies in advance if my suggestion is offensive to you!

hi there,
Its a shame u feel u need to discard ur Ameo, am a junior hear, regular user of the website but with limited knowledge when it comes cookin rom(s) or dumping application to creat d best application, however i've had my amoe since last october, and only till a couple of months ago when the AP4 rom was released with window 6.1 then that my is d ultimate device:
1) Better Tcpmp player with SUPERB QUALITY VEDIO PLAY BACK,
2) HSDPA is brilliant
3) Support fring application for SUPERB VOIP app.
4) Opera for web browsing
5) Touch flo included but my tots: just a gimik.
6) Mobile Office i used for work
7) Screen with realvga so using Excel is brilliant
8) Google map that works with d built in Gps as i dont drive
9)

leoni1980 said:
It might seem dreadful to say this...
GULP
but the Iphone 3g might fit the bill for you....that is, if you can live without Winmo.
There's coreplayer so you'll be able to play virtually any video file - no doubt in much better quality than any graphics-driverless HTC device!
A DEDICATED orb client which is absolutely brilliant: no more web-based Orbing, and it happily plays your streams in the background while you check mail, browse etc....
3g and HSDPA which you can share via WIFI adhoc.
GPS (Tomtom is already set for release)
Dedicated bbc iplayer support
And let's not forget it has the best browser and email client available....
And a whole host of companies queuing up to make software for it.
I'm certainly interested in it with so much cool stuff coming out, shame there's no keyboard but the onscreen QWERTY is very good.....
Apologies in advance if my suggestion is offensive to you!
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not offensive at all, but I want my next phone to just be a phone with qwerty texting keyboard, (not on iphone) and hsdpa 7.2 (not on iphone)

fair enough! in respect to the 7.2mbps HSDPA, do you think this is a gimmick or will speeds genuinely be upgrading? I still have the same speeds - around 1.2mb - I had when i first got my Hermes/vario 3. Even with the category 6 3.6mbps N95 I never saw any discernible difference.
Just a thought.
I've just bought a Toshiba Portege G900 really cheaply, though I'm hoping i dont suffer the signal problems and glitches other people have. The screen is supposedly really nice (800 by 480) but I'm concerned that I wont be able to install some of my favourite applications because of it. We shall see. I'm starting to think I should settle on one phone for more than 3 months!

I am getting 2-3 Mbps in London (on Voda), which is faster than my home broadband !
It is all about deciding what you want first, and then chosing the device. I love the OQOs, but battery life is just too short, and the Transmeta processors only just about cope. As long as you don't push it too hard, it is a "proper" computer for a couple of hours. Vista on the E2 devices is another matter, grrrrrr so slow. But like the Samsung Q1s and HTC shifts etc, if you MUST have Windows then you have to compromise on battery and speed. If you MUST have all day battery then you compromise on the OS.
Instant on and pretty much all day battery ... ain't many laptops that can do that. And there are none that will fit in your pocket as well. If there were, we would all have one

only Voda offer 7.2 at the mo, and it is restricted to some areas of london ! but there will be more soon, so I might aswell be ready for it ! TBH I could manage without the keyboard so maybe I will go for a compact 3, I would really be happiest with one of the new hsdpa 7.2 LG's or samsungs they have a normal numeric pad, (fine by me) but unless I find one running symbian or win mo I will loose my tomtom, which is NOT acceptable.
I also want something with internet connection sharing, so I can get away with the cheaper data plan.

ice_coffee said:
only Voda offer 7.2 at the mo, and it is restricted to some areas of london ! but there will be more soon, so I might aswell be ready for it ! TBH I could manage without the keyboard so maybe I will go for a compact 3, I would really be happiest with one of the new hsdpa 7.2 LG's or samsungs they have a normal numeric pad, (fine by me) but unless I find one running symbian or win mo I will loose my tomtom, which is NOT acceptable.
I also want something with internet connection sharing, so I can get away with the cheaper data plan.
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Really it sounds like Nokia is the way forward for you. Personally I wouldn't touch Samsungs or Lgs as they are too basic and only have proprietary os's.
If you can cope with 'just' 3.6mbps then how about the N96?
16gb of true usb 2.0 speed storage plus a micro sd cardslot, large screen, wifi connection sharing (via the excellent free walking hotspot solution), flash support from within the browser, better integrated java manager than windows mobile, superb camera, integrated dvb-h player and recorder (though not immediately available in the UK)and its VERY pocketable. worlds away from the Ameo.
Oh and for the record it is now possible to use Tomtom 6 with the integrated GPS with a BINpda app.
It may be that the N96 IS 7.3mbps (category 8) HSDPA capable, the spec isn't too easy to obtain at the moment.
Just another idea for you anyway.

I could maybe live with 3.6 mbps, until my next renewal but it would need to support internet connection sharing, over HSDPA, as far as I know the symbian phones don't ! I want my phone to fool the newtwork into letting me use my laptop/oqo without paying the extra, If I use a nokia I have to set up the dialling properties and account in the browser and it then uses the nokia as a modem ! which is why it needs to be win mo, however I might get a winmo smart phone, im not fussed on a camera my only criteria is
1) HSDPA 3.6/7.2 ICS
2) Easy pocketable phone maybe with a keyboard but defo with a numeric pad
3) Tomtom capable
this limits me to the vario 4 and win mo smart phones !

i'm not entirely sure I follow: there is no way to 'fool' the network with regard to your usage settings. With regard to internet connection sharing on a windows mobile device, ics simply uses the activesync drivers and creates a pseudo ethernet connection. If you use Nokia PC suite then essentially it does the same thing but via the modem utility. there is no difference in speed (despite the option in dial-up settings to alter the baud rate) and as far as the network is concerned you will still be using the same access point - they will not be able to tell whether you're using a Nokia, a windows mobile device or a Samsung D600 other than that you're usage will spike (and technically they could track what browser you are using, whether you are using IM, VOIP etc).
The easiest solution for Nokias is Walkinghotspot, through which ANY device can 'share' your internet connection via wifi. Walkinghotspot uses exactly the same connection as the built-in browser and has support for encryption and power saving. It's also free! the same software is also available on windows mobile.

lol, I guarantee you my friend there is a big difference between tethered mode (phone as a modem ) and internet connection sharing (phone as man in the middle) !
1) Tethered Mode.
You put your internet access settings in to your computer, your computer then uses your phone as a modem, the network operator can tell you are doing this because your phone Identifies it self on the network as inuse as a modem
2) Internet Connetion sharing here your actual phone itself goes on the internet, your laptop does not require any of the settings required to go onto the network because all of this is done by the phone, the phone identifies it self as going on the network directly (not as a modem)
The difference being the networks can charge different rates for going on the internet, either direct on your phone or if your phone is used as a modem for a laptop, Provided they can tell.
T-mobile charge £7.50 for unlimted internet on your phone if you want the ability to connect to your laptop it will cost an extra £5 per month, however using ICS T-mob can't tell as all your requests appear to be coming directly from your phone, not your laptop, and so you can get away with the cheaper rate. as I have been doing for the last 14 months !

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are you sure that's the case? as far as I was aware whatever method you use still connects to the same apn. what I do know is that since april 06 I've been on the standard 7.50 web n walk tarif and have never had a charge for going over my allowance. I have used all manner of different handsets- though mainly nokias - to connect my dell inspiron and eee to the internet. perhaps this will allay your fears. seems like we're both on the same network - good choice!

hmm intresting, how do you connect, are you using bluetooth pan and then getting your laptop to dial *99# or whatever it is to connect over HSDPA
I will try your method and see if I get any data bills !!

Ice Coffee...Wanna Trade?
I have a Tilt, it is used; however, I can have it replaced through the warranty. The only drawback would be that I have the 7200 Chipset (most common) and the new ones have the 7201 (causes problems with the cooked roms, etc) I have a ton of accesories (4gb, 2gb, TomTom 7, North America, Motorola s9 headset, etc...Not sure if you think it is a fair trade but I should be able to sell it on ebay for 270 pounds, so we could go that route also...anyway, if interested, let me know!

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hmm intresting, how do you connect, are you using bluetooth pan and then getting your laptop to dial *99# or whatever it is to connect over HSDPA
I will try your method and see if I get any data bills !!
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I've used bluetooth DUN (not pan) with my EEE - which I've performed a bluetooth mod on - along with walkinghotspot (wifi router software) and standard Nokia OTA software/manual modem setup through windows. On the Nokia calls log you can see a rundown of the flow of information that's gone through the phone (SMS, GSM calls and packet data). No matter what connection sharing option I choose the log only displays 'T-Mobile Internet' and the ingoing, outgoing data quantity. There is no reference on the phone to what means of connection has been used, other than that the APN and password/proxy settings for 'T-Mobile internet' have been used. There is no way the network could tell that I'd connected my phone to my laptop other than by picking up download spikes and the use of certain ports for things such as IM and VOIP.
A friend at T-Mobile however told me (off the record) that T-Mobile tend to turn a blind eye to irregular use unless it starts to get ridiculous. The most you can expect (after 3 consecutive months of misuse) is a letter asking you to curb your use, or a threat to bottleneck your connection. They will NEVER charge you for going over your allowance or for misuse, unlike some networks.
On a separate topic I can also offer you an unlocked TyTn 2 with an eleven month warranty with CEX (and maybe some extra cash for your pocket). Depends how near you are to Derby though! I've got this Portege G900 coming so I was going to sell it anyway.

Leoni, I own a Tytn2 and a Advantage and very much interested on the Portege G900. Let us all know your impressions about the G900 asap.

Hi! Looking for some help!

Hi everyone,
I Just joined the forums, and I'm ready to get into the real scene with PDA Smartphones.
I've been holding onto the Axim Series for A WHILE now, using a LennySH 6.1 WM Dell Axim x51v. Prior I had a x30v but both I just cannot fit into my life. I really want a data plan phone (Now that AT&T and offering the plans at JUST 35$ a month for my area) but separated from my verizon wireless phone ( I know, sounds a bit nutty but still)
Anyways, I've been wanting to get an Athena (HTC Advantage) for a while now, especially since it seems there is high support, and high available.
Since you're all the experts, I would REALLY appreciate it if these few questions could be answered.
1. How long do you usually get (in hours) on the device? Does it last you on active usage through the day?
2. As for 3G and data connectivity. Is AT&T supported in the U.S., and how are the speeds with it? Any complaints with data limitations? (Claims unlimited, but I think its otherwise)
3. Lastly, Does it do what you want well? I am looking for a pocket sized Laptop-like device with a QWERTY keyboard, Wifi, (Maybe a data plan in this case) and an excellent battery life for school.
Thanks,
Josh

Little Help.
Hi Laos.
I could say the following.
I have a X7501 for more that a year.
Right now I'm using WM 6.1 R0 from Michy. I changed the ROM maybe four or five times. Please read a lot before trying it. There many thread writing to help the new users.
I live in Guatemala, so I can't tell about plans of connections in USA, I can say in my country I can use it as a Phone, a web browser, a Modem for my laptop, and as a Mobile office.
I install a lot of programs to use it as an office, for example, Softmaker suit (word, excel, power point edits in the device), Flexmail as mail client, pocket plan to work in projects, Emu48G to get the HP 48GRom working in the device, Phatpad as note writer, Fring to manage my IM, Adobe Reader 2, Pocket Plus and Pocket diary. Informant 2007 to manage my appointments.
There are some other programs.
Also I use it as a video player using TCPMP
In order to introduces a lot of text I use the external keyboard, Fingertouch Pro and Write Pad with Calligrapher.
I use it all day long, for business, the battery almost last 4 hours, so I bought another one, also I have a Tekkeon External Battery pack to charge my device when I'm in a desk. It depends how much do you plan to use. I don't use paper anymore, I write in Phatpad all my notes, and use Textmaker to write documents an reports. Taking a lot of pictures. I also stay always connected reviewing two mail accounts, one in exchange server from the company I work for, and one in yahoo.
But if I just reviewing mail and some documents, the battery last all day.
I hope this help you.
I you have some other question, ask. We are here for help.
Regards.

Thanks for the tips!
I may be picking up a x7510 over the x7501 due to it being more recent, but I am not exactly sure on the final call, it can be up to an extra 200$ I'm not as willing to spent. I've also seen someone posting a deal selling their x7501, so that may be my solution
if anyone is in america with one of these two devices, please do give me your opinion on its usage here!
Thanks,
Josh

1. How long do you usually get (in hours) on the device? Does it last you on active usage through the day? If I leave it on but don't use it all day, after 16 hours I'll have above 80% left. If I have a few calls, and so some web surfing it might be in the 60% range. If I stream music on 3G it will go down by 50% each hour.
2. As for 3G and data connectivity. Is AT&T supported in the U.S., and how are the speeds with it? Any complaints with data limitations? (Claims unlimited, but I think its otherwise) Using radio 1.58 (not 1.57 or below, they are all much slower), I get around 800-900 kbps on 3G with HSDPA. I've gotten a top reading around 1200 kbps. Using 1.57 and earlier those readings were half that. My plan is unlimited but I've never gotten above the 5 GB limit other plans have so I've never tested the waters. Its my only data connection at home (I use wmwifirouter version 0.91 to share my connection via wifi) and on the road and I stream music often so its pretty hard to use that much data, for me at least.
3. Lastly, Does it do what you want well? I am looking for a pocket sized Laptop-like device with a QWERTY keyboard, Wifi, (Maybe a data plan in this case) and an excellent battery life for school. Love it. I wouldn't want to use it for daily note taking in a class, but I do use it for occasional meeting notes at work.

[Q]Help couple question about HD2 and help with lockscreen

Hello guys
i installed the Drak Arts Andriod Lock V1.3 and i uninstalled and installed back the stock one but the arrows as seen change :S anyone have idea how to get it back??(without a rest)
another question i dont know what Band im working on it says in my country it HSPDA and i should get a 3g or H sign above but i get the normal antenna also included a picture(its a T-mob HD2 but i live in israel) and it says the HD can do about a week without a charge in HTC and T-mo sites
Standby time:
WCDMA: Up to 390 hours 390/24 16 days
GSM: Up to 490 hours 490/24 20days
but acutal time is 3 days for the most and i only use my phone to talk sms and wifi connections to recive mails and connect to my desktop

57 review without a post :S

guys its important i dont know what to do should i Soft Reset or Hard Reset??!