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I downloaded the visualizer app (the one with the 2 dots and not the square)
and yea if I begin on the left side of the screen then touch the right and move around the points hang a bit when they cross and will hardly ever switch (unless u do complex rotating action with both points but then the switch is periodic at best)
but if I begin on the right side of the screen, the points ALWAYS switch...always...
Interesting...does that mean it's a software issue?
I already KNOW this is the wrong section but I feel this is something that could benefit from the most viewed sub forum.
edit: starting from the right side, the points fix themselves when I do the same complex rotating action that sometimes causes point switch starting from the left. I'd record it if I had a camera, but yea.
none of the 163 (at the time of this posting) viewers have anything to say?
not even a "WRONG SECTION NOOB" (Despite my non noobishness) post?
sheesh.
wrong section, noob.
wrong section noob.
hahahhaha LOVE IT.
another interesting update: The previous results were on a Cyanogen Mod...
Using Modaco Desire Alpha 14 I get the EXACT opposite results...
Starting with a finger on the left side of the screen then the right side point switch is guaranteed...whereas starting with a finger on the right then the left point switch is non-existent.
I think it is entirely a software fault...anyone who knows anything have anything to say about it?
then again, the overall finicky-ness of it is probably just a flaw period...though I think it can be fixed with a software update due to the different behavior between ROMs.
seems to switch points at random actually...on the desire ROM especially.
still wrong section noob. haha.
It has been covered by pretty much all tech blogs on the 'net already.
Some think it is a hardware bug, and others think it's software. Who knows.
I don't think it will matter for most people, although I consider it a serious flaw if it is not possible to fix it with software.
And yeah, this might be the wrong section, but it could also turn into a dev issue. "wrong section, noob" was funny the first time.
yea that's why I put it here in the first place, I shoulda added [Think Tank] and then squeezed my statements there...def belongs in General though...any Mod please move there without any Snarky comments prior.
i 'll move it but with snarky comment : use edit button when you want to replay to yourself instead of creating two posts
I just tried that Multitouch Visible Test, and it does not always switch the dots. It is a little bit strange though, because it seems like the dots are just put on the wrong intersect of the red and blue lines. If it is a hardware malfunction it is a very weird one. Some kind of random mirror function.
Maybe its a problem with the app itself and nothing with phones.... comon now, I don't have a problem with multitouch and I think that app is horrible to determine a bad phone..
No offence people, but these issues everyone brings up on this phone isn't a issue at all... the 3g issue is network not phone, the wonky screen is from the wrap around effect, the multitouch issue is retarded.....
The only valid one imo is the dust...... everything else seems irrelevant
temperbad said:
Maybe its a problem with the app itself and nothing with phones.... comon now, I don't have a problem with multitouch and I think that app is horrible to determine a bad phone..
No offence people, but these issues everyone brings up on this phone isn't a issue at all... the 3g issue is network not phone, the wonky screen is from the wrap around effect, the multitouch issue is retarded.....
The only valid one imo is the dust...... everything else seems irrelevant
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The multitouch issue is not app based, otherwise it'd be present on the Droid as well (where it isn't, infact Droid's multitouch is damn near flawless looking at that video and having owned one) Though it's not going to be an issue for anything I and many others current use the phone for (Browsing, Maps, Gallery, anything else that uses pinch to zoom) it will become an issue and may already be for multitouch games...From what I saw it seemed like it is likely software based due to the fact that on the Cyan ROM one thing happened in one order and on the Desire ROM same thing happened (and a bit more buggy) in another order.
But yea, about the 3G issue..I never had that either...in fact my 3G with my N1 is better than the 3G i had with my G1.
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The multitouch issue is not app based, otherwise it'd be present on the Droid as well (where it isn't, infact Droid's multitouch is damn near flawless looking at that video and having owned one) Though it's not going to be an issue for anything I and many others current use the phone for (Browsing, Maps, Gallery, anything else that uses pinch to zoom) it will become an issue and may already be for multitouch games...From what I saw it seemed like it is likely software based due to the fact that on the Cyan ROM one thing happened in one order and on the Desire ROM same thing happened (and a bit more buggy) in another order.
But yea, about the 3G issue..I never had that either...in fact my 3G with my N1 is better than the 3G i had with my G1.
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It may be just that There is different hardware/software in one vs the other.....
I still don't believe it will be a issue, I mean that app your sliding both fingers at the same time, and it only happens some of the time..... I don't believe there will be many games where your performing that kind of action, and even if so it don't happent all the time and may act completely differently in a game than it does in the app..... I mean, if it was a big deal we would notice it in the other pinch to zoom apps, I've tried on pinch to zoom to get it to do anything weird and it don't..... just saying, I don't think this video/app proves much....
Then again, who the hell am I.. lol I don't know shat like anyone....
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It may be just that There is different hardware/software in one vs the other.....
I still don't believe it will be a issue, I mean that app your sliding both fingers at the same time, and it only happens some of the time..... I don't believe there will be many games where your performing that kind of action, and even if so it don't happent all the time and may act completely differently in a game than it does in the app..... I mean, if it was a big deal we would notice it in the other pinch to zoom apps, I've tried on pinch to zoom to get it to do anything weird and it don't..... just saying, I don't think this video/app proves much....
Then again, who the hell am I.. lol I don't know shat like anyone....
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In fact, N1 has only pinch and zoom multitouch whereas droid has native multitouch...
temperbad there are a lot multitouch app in the market which state that Nexus One is not supported due to its multitouch misfunction..
ping pong multitouch is one of these applications..
Propably it is a hardware issue.
temperbad said:
Maybe its a problem with the app itself and nothing with phones.... comon now, I don't have a problem with multitouch and I think that app is horrible to determine a bad phone..
No offence people, but these issues everyone brings up on this phone isn't a issue at all... the 3g issue is network not phone, the wonky screen is from the wrap around effect, the multitouch issue is retarded.....
The only valid one imo is the dust...... everything else seems irrelevant
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Try it in the browser. Pinch zoom out, then rotate your fingers in a circle and continue pinch zooming out. Instead of zooming out, it zooms in.
jerhoyet said:
Try it in the browser. Pinch zoom out, then rotate your fingers in a circle and continue pinch zooming out. Instead of zooming out, it zooms in.
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I have. No issues
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I have. No issues
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It's not all the time, but it happens. It's caused my axis flipping.
maedox said:
It has been covered by pretty much all tech blogs on the 'net already.
Some think it is a hardware bug, and others think it's software. Who knows.
I don't think it will matter for most people, although I consider it a serious flaw if it is not possible to fix it with software.
And yeah, this might be the wrong section, but it could also turn into a dev issue. "wrong section, noob" was funny the first time.
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Its supposed to a software bug.. The same thing produces two different results with two different ROMs....so its not a hardware issue....
AbsoluteDesignz said:
another interesting update: The previous results were on a Cyanogen Mod...
Using Modaco Desire Alpha 14 I get the EXACT opposite results...
Starting with a finger on the left side of the screen then the right side point switch is guaranteed...whereas starting with a finger on the right then the left point switch is non-existent.
I think it is entirely a software fault...anyone who knows anything have anything to say about it?
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I have. No issues
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I too have absolutely 0 issues with pinch to zoom and rotating, getting my fingers really close together, etc. 0 issues whatsoever.
I'm on the Desire rom though.
Anyway, you have to remember this has absolutely NO importance whatsoever unless you play a lot of games.
If you don't, like me (I have a 360, so I couldn't care less), you'll never really have an issue with this.
I suppose the rumors weren't true, then?
halorin said:
I suppose the rumors weren't true, then?
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I saw someone on here posting a quote about the multi-touch fix... lemme find it
by Paul22000:
Also "A scale gesture detector API provides improved definition of multi-touch events."
I wonder if that means the N1's multitouch axes will be fixed for gaming!
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I suppose the rumors weren't true, then?
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since nobody has froyo yet, we dont know if it was fixed or not. i really hope they did though.
Thanks for the responses, guys. I guess in hindsight it might have been good to leave out any negative things in such a positive conference.
But still, some mention would have been comforting.
halorin said:
Thanks for the responses, guys. I guess in hindsight it might have been good to leave out any negative things in such a positive conference.
But still, some mention would have been comforting.
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I feel the same way halorin. It's natural to voice displeasure over something important missed in an update (I would have loved 360* rotation, colored trackball, fm radio, etc) but I know your happy about the update when it does occur and a great guy to have on the forum
All progress is still progress toward perfection, no matter how small.
Thing is, they were just demoing the OS, not device specific things like the N1's trackball & whether it has working FM etc.
Very valid point, Rusty.
Yup, each device will have their own seperate updates with device exclusive things.
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Thing is, they were just demoing the OS, not device specific things like the N1's trackball & whether it has working FM etc.
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*in Kramer voice* ........ you just blew my mind...
ap3604 said:
I saw someone on here posting a quote about the multi-touch fix... lemme find it
by Paul22000:
Also "A scale gesture detector API provides improved definition of multi-touch events."
I wonder if that means the N1's multitouch axes will be fixed for gaming!
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That quote is from the highlights web page:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highlights.html
The axis problem can never be fixed 100% because the hardware doesn't report enough info to do it for all cases, but currently it is pretty bad and I think better drivers/software could get it close. I believe that Cyanogen's ROMs have had some tweaks that have greatly improved its responsiveness for some time now so perhaps the Android engineers adopted similar fixes. It will hopefully get good enough over time that you'd have to know exactly how the sensors work and deliberately try to fool the drivers in order to get it confused.
I tested a nexus one on froyo today at google i/o, some things that were absent, colored track ball, touch screen wise they didn't have any multi touch analysis program installed, but just pinching around I don't detect any notable differences, so i'm guessing no to those 2 features on nexus, at least on their current build
I was also at I/O and while I did play with a few different Nexus Ones that were loaded with FroYo, I was unable to determine if any screen fixes were applied.
I asked a few times and each time I was politely told that they could not talk about anything that was not already made public (fair enough btw).
However, pinching and zooming on maps seemed to be smoother (not sure if it just my impression or some actual change) and it seemed to respond overall to my finger movements more smoothly.
Also, some games that I demoed on a few different Nexus Ones did employ finger gestures and those games functioned flawlessly from the touch perspective.
I am not sure that translates into any real fix or just my biases, but I am putting it out here for whatever it is worth.
Dan
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I was also at I/O and while I did play with a few different Nexus Ones that were loaded with FroYo...
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Did you notice if there was 360 rotation? ie could you flip it from 12 to 3 O'Clock clockwise and get it to rotate to landscape when in a rotating app like Maps?
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Did you notice if there was 360 rotation? ie could you flip it from 12 to 3 O'Clock clockwise and get it to rotate to landscape when in a rotating app like Maps?
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I hate to admit this, but I did not even think about testing that feature.
Dan
Dorick said:
I tested a nexus one on froyo today at google i/o, some things that were absent, colored track ball, touch screen wise they didn't have any multi touch analysis program installed, but just pinching around I don't detect any notable differences, so i'm guessing no to those 2 features on nexus, at least on their current build
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Dorick, by any chance have you noticed wifi-n connection?
I'm almost certain from the API improvement and UI modifications listed on the Android SDK site that we have a software fix for the crazy multitouch issue.
Having said that, it means the screen won't go crazy when the paths "swap". But, it's still limited to two touchpoints and not 10 like the 3000 series screen.
A fix is a fix though. =)
Personally if the have fixed up pinch zooming somewhat and made it smoother that will cover me 99% of the way as I use the device so that will be pretty much a fix assuming we actually see it in the official N1 rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=730606
This bugs me now. Makes playing games like doodle jump or anything using accelerometer not good....
The app android sensor data does make it work correctly, but why is this?
This bug is a big one....
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=730606
This bugs me now. Makes playing games like doodle jump or anything using accelerometer not good....
The app android sensor data does make it work correctly, but why is this?
This bug is a big one....
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I saw this while using or attempting to use Layer screen would go all crazy up down left right.
talltexan said:
I saw this while using or attempting to use Layer screen would go all crazy up down left right.
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Close layers completely. Then run that app above and go back to layers. Should work now.. it works for the games... I just start that app after every reboot and it somehow calibrates the accelerometer. ...
Truly software not hardware or that apparently wouldn't make it work right...
I love this phone but Samsung needs to iron out some thing... that said ill keep it and hope Samsung delivers.. even if not its the best out IMO....
Common Samsung.
I noticed that when I reboot, the accelerometer functions well enough. It seems as if performance degrades over time.
When I first launched 'Homerun Battle', the shadow for the bat was completely erratic and impossible to use. After rebooting the device, it was playable. Once running that calibration app, it's smooth as silk. The device is definitely plagued by some annoying bugs. Who knows if Samsung plans to fix them or not. I wish they'd just come out with an official statement so we could stop worrying.
Asphalt 5 was super buggy. I didn't notice any improvements either way. The car would randomly teleport, sound would cut out and so forth. Papijump seems just as playable to me, either way (degraded, rebooted, calibrated).
Weird.
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I noticed that when I reboot, the accelerometer functions well enough. It seems as if performance degrades over time.
When I first launched 'Homerun Battle', the shadow for the bat was completely erratic and impossible to use. After rebooting the device, it was playable. Once running that calibration app, it's smooth as silk. The device is definitely plagued by some annoying bugs. Who knows if Samsung plans to fix them or not. I wish they'd just come out with an official statement so we could stop worrying.
Asphalt 5 was super buggy. I didn't notice any improvements either way. The car would randomly teleport, sound would cut out and so forth. Papijump seems just as playable to me, either way (degraded, rebooted, calibrated).
Weird.
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Asphalt 5 runs well for me if I calibrate it using the app....
Anyone notice the compass as well as other sensors respond SUPER SLOW. Fire up skymaps and find mars. Go on ill wait... Broken GPS is getting all the talk.
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There's an app called "Android Sensor Data" that can calibrate the accelerometer, but you have to run it at every boot. It doesn't fix the compass, which I expect us just broken.
The future looks so... Vibrant
Yup, it was one of the first things I noticed about the phone. The compas is definitely either broken or just not very good.
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Its not only sky maps but also layer as well, once you stop moving the phone it takes a good 10 to 15 secs to position itself, very laggy, just patiently waiting for the fix now -_-"
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one would think with Samsung preinstalling Layar on the phone the compass would work without a hitch... im hoping its a software issue not updating as frequent.
Based on how a compass works, (magnetism) I would hazard a guess that there is NO software fix. Buy a compass. If it doesn't work, it will never work. Software can't fix a bad magnet. I COULD be wrong...I HOPE I'm wrong...I DOUBT I'm wrong.
Magnets are not software. ):
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I asked T-mobile if there would be a fix for the compass along with the GPS on Twitter. This was their reply:
"TMobile_USA: @fjohnette That's what is believed causing the GPS problem so its possible we will keep you updated. ^SG"
--http://www.twitter.com/TMobile_USA/status/20225466968
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fragimar said:
"TMobile_USA: @fjohnette That's what is believed causing the GPS problem so its possible we will keep you updated. ^SG"
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So this means it's possible that they will NOT keep you updated??
Anyway, I think we now have the word of every t-mobile CS rep and tech support person and most (if not all) don't really have any idea. I guess it's worth the effort to keep pestering. It'd sure be more comforting to have an official response.
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Based on how a compass works, (magnetism) I would hazard a guess that there is NO software fix. Buy a compass. If it doesn't work, it will never work. Software can't fix a bad magnet. I COULD be wrong...I HOPE I'm wrong...I DOUBT I'm wrong.
Magnets are not software. ):
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You are completely correct in how a compass works... Basic magnetism... However. Just because our compass doesn't work doesn't mean the magnet bit isn't detecting north as it should. It could easily be that the other sensors that detect which way that magnet is oriented are reporting incorrect data, which is possibly fixable via firmware update. Or that the android itself is doing something wrong with that data, or any combination of the above. And these possible causes are far from exhaustive, just a few possibilities off the top of my head.
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Based on how a compass works, (magnetism) I would hazard a guess that there is NO software fix. Buy a compass. If it doesn't work, it will never work. Software can't fix a bad magnet. I COULD be wrong...I HOPE I'm wrong...I DOUBT I'm wrong.
Magnets are not software. ):
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Yep, but every single thing about how that data is collected, interpreted, and passed on to the operating system is software, not to mention the interaction with the accelerometer sensors as Arr mentioned. Lots of potential points of failure here that have everything to do with software. Fingers crossed that it's not just a borked magnetometer.
Very true. As I said, I REALLY REALLY HOPE they can fix it... I'm just worried that we're going to be stuck with broken hardware. I'll never buy a phone on launch-day again...
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Very true. As I said, I REALLY REALLY HOPE they can fix it... I'm just worried that we're going to be stuck with broken hardware. I'll never buy a phone on launch-day again...
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this is my fear as well. It bugs the **** out of me to see people all over the forums violently defending samsung and saying with absolute certainty that a firmware fix is coming.
How do they know it can be fixed with firmware? I'm not saying that it's impossible, I'll be the first to admit I have no idea how the compass actually works, but to post saying that it will be fixed is so unbelievably stupid and irresponsible that I can only attribute it to buyers remorse manifesting itself as post-purchase rationalization.
Too many idiots to have any sort of productive discussion anywhere.
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this is my fear as well. It bugs the **** out of me to see people all over the forums violently defending samsung and saying with absolute certainty that a firmware fix is coming.
How do they know it can be fixed with firmware? I'm not saying that it's impossible, I'll be the first to admit I have no idea how the compass actually works, but to post saying that it will be fixed is so unbelievably stupid and irresponsible that I can only attribute it to buyers remorse manifesting itself as post-purchase rationalization.
Too many idiots to have any sort of productive discussion anywhere.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7252169&postcount=21
The compass is definitely the one thing that annoys me about this phone. I really like Google Sky Maps and 3D compass and right now they are worthless.
DaMaDo said:
The compass is definitely the one thing that annoys me about this phone. I really like Google Sky Maps and 3D compass and right now they are worthless.
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Agreed. The GPS issues are getting so much attention that the borked compass is falling by the wayside. I actually use the compass, so this is really annoying.
you guys are brave
I returned the phone after a few days and decided to wait for a fix.
When/if the fix comes, I can easily buy the phone again.
To keep the phone is the same thing as keeping you anxiety level high, waiting for a fix, checking every board twice a day.
Is it worth it?
DaMaDo said:
The compass is definitely the one thing that annoys me about this phone. I really like Google Sky Maps and 3D compass and right now they are worthless.
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Google Sky maps works fine for me. It does lag slightly when rotating, (which seems to match what others are saying about compass lag), but i don't see how it's worthless. It's dead on for me.
Have you tried Google Street View (Compass Mode) or Yelp's 'Monocle' / Layar?
The compass will sometimes point to magnetic North. But most times, it spins around wildly, or simply points to the wrong direction and does not update correctly.
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Google Sky maps works fine for me. It does lag slightly when rotating, (which seems to match what others are saying about compass lag), but i don't see how it's worthless. It's dead on for me.
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A friend and I bought our phones on the same day. Date on the stickers on the box (which I assume is a build date) is 7/17 on both of them. Side-by-side, Google Sky works perfectly for him, and doesn't work at all for me.
My compass points south no matter what orientation the phone is in, or what direction I face. Sometimes if I just stand still for a very long time, it'll slowly sort of drift in one direction or another, but I haven't had the patience to just wait and see whether it ever actually aligns with where I'm facing or if it's just random variation.
Check my little video on youtube about this issue demonstrating how slow the compass reacts.
YouTube, search for: SvAJrR5Gmy0
or "Samsung Vibrant Compass Issues"
still won't let me post links yet....
I did end up getting the other phone working instead of pointing in only one direction. I factory data reset the phone and tried agan and it started pointing in the correct direction at least, still very slow.
I also suggest looking at sensor data to see how your phone performs:
*#*#1472365#*#* >> Test Application >> Show Sensor data
Big thanks to all the rom devs out there working hard on the sweet froyoish goodness. I've seen a lot of work on the GPS issues that have turned it into a trustworthy device, but very little mention of the compass.
What is the consensus on this? Is it just crappy hardware that won't ever get fixed? Bad gravity? I miss my google sky!
yeah, why is the Compass so twitchy like a crackhead
I wouldn't say it's twitchy. I've never noticed mine jumping around.
I did notice it pointing the opposite direction I was traveling yesterday down the interstate in Google Maps, though.
When I turned the phone, the compass didn't move (I was in the passenger side, for those wondering ).
I think it's just bad hardware that's very susceptible to interference. I've seen it work properly every now and then, but most of the time it jumps around like crazy.
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Well, oddly enough the GPS was accurate that time, but the compass wasn't.
I think Google Maps had me about a block or two behind where I was on the Interstate, though (judging by where I was in the software when I got to curves or intersections/exits).
Bing Maps seemed more accurate, but it doesn't have a compas on the screen (or I haven't found the setting for it, don't think I've even gone into Bing Settings yet) and it lack Voice Guided Navigation on Android.
Isn't Google Maps Navigation still in Beta? Maybe something is wrong IRT the software. Last time I tried Catch Compass (which was admittedly over a month ago, before the JI6 update) it actually seemed rather accurate... It would turn as I'd turn and everything. /shrugs/ Dunno what the issue is with it.
Interesting. Some apps seem to pull heading info from the gpd, while others will attemp to use the compass sensor. Using something like tricorder shows the compass to show north regardless.
I guess it's just one of those things
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