No disrespect meant to Paul O'Brien. It was a very useful tool when rooting first became possible on the Vision.
But now all I see is semi-bricks and/or corrupted file systems left, right and centre from using Visionary. There seem to have been no updates to Visionary for ages now (in relative terms). I have no idea what is causing these semi-bricks but it seems very common indeed.
It seems to be even worse now we have videos at unlockr showing people how to use Visionary.
IMHO we should get rid of all mention of Visionary from sticky guides etc on these forums and point people to using rage. rage looks scary because of adb, but I think we should help educate newcomers rather than pointing them to Visionary if they're not confident. Or tell them to forget rooting for now until they get more confident.
Is it just me ?
I used Visonary with no problem.
Have you had issues yourself?...
has there been any response from Paul?... is he even aware?
I use Visionary with no probs on 2 of my phone and 3 of my friends as well..some people just cannot follow directions correctly or are fat fingered..but I honestly feel its not the app causing the problems
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No disrespect meant to Paul O'Brien. It was a very useful tool when rooting first became possible on the Vision.
But now all I see is semi-bricks and/or corrupted file systems left, right and centre from using Visionary. There seem to have been no updates to Visionary for ages now (in relative terms). I have no idea what is causing these semi-bricks but it seems very common indeed.
It seems to be even worse now we have videos at unlockr showing people how to use Visionary.
IMHO we should get rid of all mention of Visionary from sticky guides etc on these forums and point people to using rage. rage looks scary because of adb, but I think we should help educate newcomers rather than pointing them to Visionary if they're not confident. Or tell them to forget rooting for now until they get more confident.
Is it just me ?
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+2 for this yes me friend is here
Used it on two phones here... apart from having to retry it once or twice.. no issues here!
Think this is another case for 'RTFM!'
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Never had a prob w/ it either. Sounds like the classic Id10t error.
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Never had a prob w/ it either. Sounds like the classic Id10t error.
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wow ....lots of negativity on xda today ...
im off playing eve-online.com for noww... this is tooo much
I agree with OP. Had success with the app at first getting temp-root. But r14 corrupted files on my phone. Could never figure it out, spent about 6 hours trying and finally had to restore the phone back to STOCK. Re-attempted... used adb and it worked perfect!!
He put it on market for sale. Hence it was removed from market
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That's the thing. I agree that lots of people have had success with Visionary, just like lots of people have had success with the rage alternative.
But lots of people also have ended up semi-bricked after Visionary.
How many people have ended up semi-bricked after rage ? I haven't seen one yet, though often phones that have been messed up by Visionary are more tricky to get rage to work on.
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I would have done visionary metho but after readin all the bricked posts stevie is referring to, I was convinced to hold off. And luckily, a better easier metho was released, the gfree! .
Performed the gfree this morn and had 0 problems and took a total of 20 mins, i read the instructions over and over and took my time.
I used VISIONary on my first G2, said it worked, was able to temp root, but wouldn't perm root, and gave me constant errors trying to restore anything and try again.
I ended up taking that unit back to the store, telling them it was randomly rebooting, and getting a new one. Used rage on the 2nd one with no problems. I'd advise against VISIONary, personally.
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That's the thing. I agree that lots of people have had success with Visionary, just like lots of people have had success with the rage alternative.
But lots of people also have ended up semi-bricked after Visionary.
How many people have ended up semi-bricked after rage ? I haven't seen one yet, though often phones that have been messed up by Visionary are more tricky to get rage to work on.
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I didnt use v14..I used v10 I think..could that be the difference?
i used visionary and have been perm rooted for awhile. no problems or anything...
what about unRevoked?? Will that work?
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i used visionary and have been perm rooted for awhile. no problems or anything...
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Rooted with r14......no problems.
I used r12 to temp then pushed all the files via terminal, rebooted, pressed perm root...that gave me no issues. S-off and fully rooted.
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+1 for the Rage method.
Heard the horror stories of people bricking their devices trying to perm root their phones. Visionary is fine for temp root, but I wouldn't trust it for perm, even the g2root crew advised against Visionary.
I have perm rooted 3 G2's using Rage and no problems.
Just need to have a basic understanding of ADB, and you would do just fine, especially with all the support you can get here on XDA
got no problem with visionary, already restore/backup using rom manager, everything still work without a problem...
I had no problems at all with Visionary v10..I started to see semi bricks after v14 was released..I believe some people can't follow instructions..And after a couple of fails, I'm sure it could probably brick your phone. Maybe they should read before attempting!!
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Posting this for what it is worth . . .
Played around with a MT4G and it will gain root by using VISIONary, BUT even with root access I was unable to write to system as it was r/o and would not let me change it using Root Explorer. I would have to rerun VISIONary after reboot as well to regain root access.
Jrbourque walked me through a couple things and we couldn't get it to work.
Just throwing it out there to see if anyone had the same issue or if it was just me.
Will have access to the phone again tomorrow if anyone has any ideas.
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Posting this for what it is worth . . .
Played around with a MT4G and it will gain root by using VISIONary, BUT even with root access I was unable to write to system as it was r/o and would not let me change it using Root Explorer. I would have to rerun VISIONary after reboot as well to regain root access.
Jrbourque walked me through a couple things and we couldn't get it to work.
Just throwing it out there to see if anyone had the same issue or if it was just me.
Will have access to the phone again tomorrow if anyone has any ideas.
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I have run into the same exact issue. The phone rooted with VISIONary, Superuser allowed access to the programs requiring root but it seemed to give strange issues afterwards; i.e. adfree worked intermittently, then showed no root access when attempting to check for updates -- VISIONary showed that the device was already rooted.
I guess I am spoiled - I am so used to being fully rooted with other devices that I almost forgot about the ads
That doesn't mean anything though.... We may still be able to use unrevoked method because it comes with Sense UI.
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That doesn't mean anything though.... We may still be able to use unrevoked method because it comes with Sense UI.
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I can try that tomorrow. If you can link me to the information needed, I will give it a shot in the morning.
Yeah just run the EVO's root method on the mytouch, it should work
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Yeah just run the EVO's root method on the mytouch, it should work
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I wouldn't do that just yet. I'd let some smart people get in hold of this phone and try it first. Not implying that anyone is not smart, just saying that it may not be a good idea until unrevoked folks confirm it themselves.
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I wouldn't do that just yet. I'd let some smart people get in hold of this phone and try it first. Not implying that anyone is not smart, just saying that it may not be a good idea until unrevoked folks confirm it themselves.
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eh, someone has got to start somewhere. And since the official rom is already out cant you just reflash the phone?
Just got my demo from work and am willing to try the rooting process. will need some assistance since I've only been doing work on the galaxy s vibrant phone.
stoute said:
Just got my demo from work and am willing to try the rooting process. will need some assistance since I've only been doing work on the galaxy s vibrant phone.
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You've been warned
I would go into MyTouch Slide section rather then Evo and get all needed info from there.
borodin1 said:
You've been warned
I would go into MyTouch Slide section rather then Evo and get all needed info from there.
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I'll try that and see what happens... Hope to not brick the phone... That would be a $500 oops...
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I'll try that and see what happens... Hope to not brick the phone... That would be a $500 oops...
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You're one brave individual and I salute you for that! Good luck!
Wouldn't surprise me if the MT4G is using the same protection as the G2.
Sooo has anyone tried it yet?
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Wouldn't surprise me if the MT4G is using the same protection as the G2.
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Cyanogen says it is not a lock protection but a bug in NAND.
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Cyanogen says it is not a lock protection but a bug in NAND.
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Did he get this phone?
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Did he get this phone?
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i think he's talking about the G2
so.. will users be able to overclock the mytouch 4g just like the tmobile g2?
im assuming all those with the mt4g already are tmo employees?
sure wish i could get a job there, applied and they said no. even though ive sold android phones in tmobile before as a customer!! LOL
Assuming only temproot is achieved on the mt4g (at least for the time being), would that still allow you to remove some of the bloatware on the phone? For example, I've read some of the pre-installed game demos/icons can't be deleted from the home screen...can you remove those with temproot? If so, would they come back after a reboot and require a 1-click temproot after each reboot, or if removed after temproot would they stay gone after reboot?
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Assuming only temproot is achieved on the mt4g (at least for the time being), would that still allow you to remove some of the bloatware on the phone? For example, I've read some of the pre-installed game demos/icons can't be deleted from the home screen...can you remove those with temproot? If so, would they come back after a reboot and require a 1-click temproot after each reboot, or if removed after temproot would they stay gone after reboot?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=809231
Read first post there. This method will let you completely disable any app you want. They will still be present in the phone but they will permanently (or until you enable them) disappear from launcher and will not be hogging your precious RAM memory and CPU cycles.
Hello all
New to the site, and would like to thank evetyone who has made a post/thread, and to everyone who has positve and relevant posts in the coments. I have been reading this site since i learned about it. I have made it thru all the forums and have realized alot of this lingo is over my head. Im wanting to give my phone some upgrades to personalize it better for me. I am looking for someones help to root,clock,and undervolt my phone. Until I leearn what is actually what I am afraid of doing these things on my own, but have noticed significant lag, and issues in my phone that canot be fiked without doing these things and more. Soory for the long post but anybody that can help me please contact me via message or email.
Thank you
I'm not new to Android phones (originally on the G1 prebuy in 2008) but I still
dont have knowledge/confidence/guts to root or install custom roms.
Well if you look at the development forum theres a post that explains all this in a high detail rooting the g2 is not very hard its actually one of the simplest phones i've rooted usually its alot harder like the g1, mytouch 3g, vibrant, and etc those are hard to root but this is simple but always theres a risk of a brick and you do void your warranty so check out the first page on the development forum and you might get a better indepth idea..
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Hello all
but have noticed significant lag, and issues in my phone that canot be fiked without doing these things and more.
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Lag? Good thing you're new to Android...you haven't seen lag till you tried the G1.
Like the above post, rooting now is much easier than before. I've rooted my G1 and a friends G1. The G2 was simple compared to those. Plus now you can also get full S-Off with 'gfree'. That will also get you sim-unlock.
But most of all - if you don't get someone to do it for you - read, read and then re-read! It won't take long, but still, don't be rushed. Double check what you enter before you hit enter.
And yes, it is worth it!
^^^ i know what s-off is.. but what is gfree?
I dont even know what gfree is i never heard of that care to explain?
Gfree is basically the new visionary except it not only perm roots your phone, but it also unlocks it. You have both radio s off and label s off.
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I wouldnt mess with voltages until you get comfortable with rooting/flashing/ocing.
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I have many android phone from g1 to nexus one to my new g2. What you need to do is google xda developers. That forum will have all the info and tutorials you need. Including youtube vids. The truth is if you screw up your phone return to the carrier saying you don't know what's wrong with it. They will pretty much replace it.
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Still lost
Im not going to rush this cuz that would be one expensive as paperweight siting around. Im not sure if its because of the lingo or me not "breaking/rooting" anything b4 but if someone can actually show me, i am open to bringing a case of beer or money. Please contact me for discussion. Just really dont wanna damage this phone. It cold be like a mini Android course.
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Gfree is basically the new visionary except it not only perm roots your phone, but it also unlocks it. You have both radio s off and label s off.
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gfree isn't the new Visionary. Visionary is for rooting your phone, and an alternative to that is called rage.
What gfree does is a combination of radio S-OFF (proper, full security off), SuperCID (lets you flash any other carrier's ROM) and also SIM unlock.
So to fully unlock your phone, you want to root it (with Visionary or rage) and then use gfree as well. Though of course you don't *have* to do either of those, for instance you could just root it if that's all you wanted.
is there going to be like a jailbreak method to both permaroot and ability to add different rom in a much easier fashion then the current methods eventually for mytouch 4g and other phones of course, i see all of these threads on how to root and stuff, but it still not clear, any help would be appreciated yeee =]
easiest root method is the one at the top of the stickies in the development section here for the MT4G. I got my warranty replacement last night (dust between LCD screen and outside screen) and had it rooted with my last backup of the ROM I had setup on my old MT4G within 30 mins.
kenneth11414 said:
is there going to be like a jailbreak method to both permaroot and ability to add different rom in a much easier fashion then the current methods eventually for mytouch 4g and other phones of course, i see all of these threads on how to root and stuff, but it still not clear, any help would be appreciated yeee =]
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If the only thing you are worried about is rooting, turning s=off so you can flash CWRM, nothing beats the method posted @ TheUnlockr. but i HIGHLY suggest learning how to do it the long way. Not knowing how the ADB works is a major downfall in the Android life.
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If the only thing you are worried about is rooting, turning s=off so you can flash CWRM, nothing beats the method posted @ TheUnlockr. but i HIGHLY suggest learning how to do it the long way. Not knowing how the ADB works is a major downfall in the Android life.
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I have to second that, it does make fixing near fatal mistakes a lot easier
So first off, I'm new to Android, the MT4G is the first I will Android phone I will have have ever owned. I have been on Unlocked/Jailbroken iPhones for 2 years and I did the unlocks/jailbreaks myself. Now I'm sick of slow incompatible bands, anyways, I just got my MT4G, I have lots of questions.
Lots of questions, some easy, some... not so easy?
1. What's the main difference between perm root vs visionary? It seems like perm root is relatively difficult still and I don't want to risk bricking my phone...
2. What rom/kernel/firmware should I use? I've never dealt with so many variables when I was on the iPhone.
3. So I got "panel = 1", looks like I will try to get it replaced... Can I still play with my phone for the next few days, then get it backed up and when the "good" phone comes in, I can restore that backup? Therefore allowing me to keep all the stuff I did in the downtime of the new phone coming in.
Thank you in advanced!
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So first off, I'm new to Android, the MT4G is the first I will Android phone I will have have ever owned. I have been on Unlocked/Jailbroken iPhones for 2 years and I did the unlocks/jailbreaks myself. Now I'm sick of slow incompatible bands, anyways, I just got my MT4G, I have lots of questions.
Lots of questions, some easy, some... not so easy?
1. What's the main difference between perm root vs visionary? It seems like perm root is relatively difficult still and I don't want to risk bricking my phone...
Visionary is only the first step to permroot, bit it's not difficult and you won't brick if you read all directions and follow them all to the letter. I personally recommend grankins guide, not the ultimate one, as it was the easiest for me to do.
2. What rom/kernel/firmware should I use? I've never dealt with so many variables when I was on the iPhone.
That's the great thing about android: you get to pick all these roms are amazing, it just depends on what features you're looking for.
3. So I got "panel = 1", looks like I will try to get it replaced... Can I still play with my phone for the next few days, then get it backed up and when the "good" phone comes in, I can restore that backup? Therefore allowing me to keep all the stuff I did in the downtime of the new phone coming in.
Theoretically, yes. Just nandroid backup once rooted and clockwork recovery is installed, and you should be able to resoree from that on your new phone once you root it.
Thank you in advanced!
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Any other questions, feel free to pm me or hit me up on Google talk (same username). And don't for get to hit thanks if this helped
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Thanks! Going back to rom/kernel/firmware, is there a master list that allows me to compare them all?
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Thanks! Going back to rom/kernel/firmware, is there a master list that allows me to compare them all?
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Yeah, the resource Bible posted by tiger013 under the development section it should be up to date on all the latest roms , kernels and themes. It also contains the rooting guide I told you about, along with several others.
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Just do a little research and learn what things are. (IE: What a kernel is vs a ROM)
Then it gets a little easier when you learn the android terminology. Learn the basics, and you should be fine as well. Like getting ADB to recognize your phone.
Rooted a friend's phone using visionary, put root folder on SD card, followed Prompts in terminal emulator, reboot and S still show's on.. any suggestions.. I never had this problem rooting my own mytouch.. & The phone hasn't been updated, still running 2.2.1
Check out the Post Your eMMC thread in the general section, it will tell you how to check which one the phone has using terminal emulator. Phones with the "bad" eMMC cannot be rooted using the root.sh method, but can be with g-free.
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Rooted a friend's phone using visionary, put root folder on SD card, followed Prompts in terminal emulator, reboot and S still show's on.. any suggestions.. I never had this problem rooting my own mytouch.. & The phone hasn't been updated, still running 2.2.1
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Root via gfree method...
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King350z said:
Rooted a friend's phone using visionary, put root folder on SD card, followed Prompts in terminal emulator, reboot and S still show's on.. any suggestions.. I never had this problem rooting my own mytouch.. & The phone hasn't been updated, still running 2.2.1
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Before I learned about this website I had rooted my phone using the tutorial from the unlockr's website, gfree method.. Worked great.
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Root via gfree method...
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you need to be careful before throwing out the idea that ./gfree is a fix all. It's not. It's a huge problem on phones that have bad eMMC chipset.
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you need to be careful before throwing out the idea that ./gfree is a fix all. It's not. It's a huge problem on phones that have bad eMMC chipset.
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Yea... That's what happened to my old MT4G
Best suggestion is to just keep stock.
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Does that mean I shouldn't put custom roms on my phone? What if I get bored?
U can also use launchers and home replacements if u get bored wit stock
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Does that mean I shouldn't put custom roms on my phone? What if I get bored?
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McSurge45 said:
Does that mean I shouldn't put custom roms on my phone? What if I get bored?
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I wouldn't say don't put roms on your phone EVER.... but before you do make sure you check what emmc chip you have. If you have the bad one you're sort of giving your phone a death sentence by rooting with gfree. It might last a good while, but most likely your phone will brick itself at some point. And considering the root.sh method doesn't work with the bad chip, gfree is your only option.
Basically, if you have the good chip feel free to flash roms to your delight, AFTER YOU INFORM YOURSELF HOW. But if you have the bad chip just know that your phone is at risk of dying if you root it.
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I wouldn't say don't put roms on your phone EVER.... but before you do make sure you check what emmc chip you have. If you have the bad one you're sort of giving your phone a death sentence by rooting with gfree. It might last a good while, but most likely your phone will brick itself at some point. And considering the root.sh method doesn't work with the bad chip, gfree is your only option.
Basically, if you have the good chip feel free to flash roms to your delight, AFTER YOU INFORM YOURSELF HOW. But if you have the bad chip just know that your phone is at risk of dying if you root it.
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I have rooted and unrooted my phone(with the bad chip) many times, which writes to the emmc and power cycles it and flash at least 5 ROMS a week and flash back to nandroid backups as well during the week, so saying the bad chip and gfree combine is the issue is not true... There are cases of the root.sh emmc failure as well just not as many.... There is something more at bay with the bad emmc that has to be a common fail point not known yet. Cause as much as my chip has been power cycles and written to, it should be the first to fail! Just my two cents...
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I have rooted and unrooted my phone(with the bad chip) many times, which writes to the emmc and power cycles it and flash at least 5 ROMS a week and flash back to nandroid backups as well during the week, so saying the bad chip and gfree combine is the issue is not true... There are cases of the root.sh emmc failure as well just not as many.... There is something more at bay with the bad emmc that has to be a common fail point not known yet. Cause as much as my chip has been power cycles and written to, it should be the first to fail! Just my two cents...
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+1 I have heard more horror stories about root.sh and visionary method failures then gfree method there's got to be more to the story then just the bad emmc chip and using Gfree to root. I used Greer to root as well and have bad emmc but good display and I'm a crack flasher, tho I've slowed down a bit after finding my 3 favorite roms.
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@Irrelephant & DrunkBastard
I don't intend to discount your experiences with what I said. Like I posted before, I have read about plenty of people with bad chips who have spent a long time flashing and reflashing their phones, so I can totally believe that you guys haven't had any problems with it or gfree. And considering the nature of rooting I can also believe that people have messed their phones up with the visionary method as well, especially since I actually was one of those people. However, I was fortunate enough and informed enough to fix it without any lasting damage.
As you said, the emmc chip problem is something that nobody is entirely sure about, but the general consensus seems to be that they are much more likely to fail when you have the bad model, whether or not you have rooted your phone or flashed roms or anything. I've even read some cases where people with entirely stock phones have had it fail on them.
On top of that, the gfree method, while very reliable, relies heavily on that chip. I can't honestly say that I know the exact processes that are different between the visionary method of rooting and the gfree method, but from what I've read gfree is more of a hardware oriented approach to achieving s off while visionary is more software oriented. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I'm here to learn just like everyone else.
I guess it was sort of bold(and grim) for me to say that having a bad chip and then rooting it was a death sentence for your phone. What I was trying to get across was that the bad chips definitely do have a worst reputation. And while anybody who wants to root their phone should try and be as well informed of the risks and processes as possible, I think that if you have a product with a bad reputation you should read up about the problem and what extra risks it may cause.
ALL of the evidence doesn't point towards death sentences for bad chipped phones, but a lot definitely points to major problems with the bad chips, and that's something people should know about, particularly if they are one of the people who have it.
So in the end, people just need to try and make well informed decisions about what they will do with their phones(and the same can be applied to life I guess). That's what I was trying to get across. Sorry if I bothered you guys with my strongly worded post before, I just wanted to make sure people knew what they were getting into before they jumped into the pool.
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As you said, the emmc chip problem is something that nobody is entirely sure about, but the general consensus seems to be that they are much more likely to fail when you have the bad model, whether or not you have rooted your phone or flashed roms or anything. I've even read some cases where people with entirely stock phones have had it fail on them.
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That.
Moreover, I had an experience with Desire S (HTC Saga) with the aforementioned "bad" chip, and I can confirm it's prone to failure even in completely stock form. The "bad" chip seems to have a bad production run or post-silicon verification issues, since there are many perfectly fine specimens, yet more than enough reports of failing devices, not necessarily rooted. Of course, vast majority of reports on XDA would be of rooted devices, since this is what XDA is about.
Judging by the time-to-failure reports for those chips, it's probably safe to say that 2-3 weeks of heavy use would be a good checkpoint - if a chip is prone to failure, it'll fail within 2-3 weeks of heavy use, and if it didn't fail - it'll most likely serve the regular lifetime of eMMC (which isn't eternal either).
There was an interesting hypothesis for this chip's failures in one of the threads at Desire S section, which might be worth checking. It was said that the chip is most likely to fail when it has power failure (intentional or not) during write cycle. Which means, pulling the battery while installing the app, for example, has a high chance of bricking a completely stock device.
i totally agree with both of you guys!!! and as jack stated, i think there was just a bad production run, or lot run for that matter... but all in all, rooting your phone is taking a chance since there are always unknown variables that could come to play. i have noticed that my phone with the bad chip has always been a bit more wonky that the one with the good chip, but i continue to use the bad one to flash away with because it was the one i started all the crack flashing on and if it fails, then it fails! i kinda wish it would fail so that i can start poking around at it to see what craziness i can find in there... i am all about troubleshooting things and if all else fails then i can send it in under insurance!
i think people should read and know what could happen and make a choice based on that, but i see too many ppl trying to scare off users because they have the so-called bad chip... but the bad chip has been good to me over a yr now and i continue to abuse this bad boy more than the average user!
and nothing anyone says on here is going to get me BUTT HURT, i am always open to a good debate on a controversial topic... so long as it is civil that is, cause if it gets ignorant, then i just leave it at that... to in the end, thank yall for holding open debate with me as it keeps me informed and thinking!!!
I wish you could buy the phone and pick the rom it comes with......