Hello all
New to the site, and would like to thank evetyone who has made a post/thread, and to everyone who has positve and relevant posts in the coments. I have been reading this site since i learned about it. I have made it thru all the forums and have realized alot of this lingo is over my head. Im wanting to give my phone some upgrades to personalize it better for me. I am looking for someones help to root,clock,and undervolt my phone. Until I leearn what is actually what I am afraid of doing these things on my own, but have noticed significant lag, and issues in my phone that canot be fiked without doing these things and more. Soory for the long post but anybody that can help me please contact me via message or email.
Thank you
I'm not new to Android phones (originally on the G1 prebuy in 2008) but I still
dont have knowledge/confidence/guts to root or install custom roms.
Well if you look at the development forum theres a post that explains all this in a high detail rooting the g2 is not very hard its actually one of the simplest phones i've rooted usually its alot harder like the g1, mytouch 3g, vibrant, and etc those are hard to root but this is simple but always theres a risk of a brick and you do void your warranty so check out the first page on the development forum and you might get a better indepth idea..
Jaded1 said:
Hello all
but have noticed significant lag, and issues in my phone that canot be fiked without doing these things and more.
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Lag? Good thing you're new to Android...you haven't seen lag till you tried the G1.
Like the above post, rooting now is much easier than before. I've rooted my G1 and a friends G1. The G2 was simple compared to those. Plus now you can also get full S-Off with 'gfree'. That will also get you sim-unlock.
But most of all - if you don't get someone to do it for you - read, read and then re-read! It won't take long, but still, don't be rushed. Double check what you enter before you hit enter.
And yes, it is worth it!
^^^ i know what s-off is.. but what is gfree?
I dont even know what gfree is i never heard of that care to explain?
Gfree is basically the new visionary except it not only perm roots your phone, but it also unlocks it. You have both radio s off and label s off.
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I wouldnt mess with voltages until you get comfortable with rooting/flashing/ocing.
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I have many android phone from g1 to nexus one to my new g2. What you need to do is google xda developers. That forum will have all the info and tutorials you need. Including youtube vids. The truth is if you screw up your phone return to the carrier saying you don't know what's wrong with it. They will pretty much replace it.
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Still lost
Im not going to rush this cuz that would be one expensive as paperweight siting around. Im not sure if its because of the lingo or me not "breaking/rooting" anything b4 but if someone can actually show me, i am open to bringing a case of beer or money. Please contact me for discussion. Just really dont wanna damage this phone. It cold be like a mini Android course.
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Gfree is basically the new visionary except it not only perm roots your phone, but it also unlocks it. You have both radio s off and label s off.
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gfree isn't the new Visionary. Visionary is for rooting your phone, and an alternative to that is called rage.
What gfree does is a combination of radio S-OFF (proper, full security off), SuperCID (lets you flash any other carrier's ROM) and also SIM unlock.
So to fully unlock your phone, you want to root it (with Visionary or rage) and then use gfree as well. Though of course you don't *have* to do either of those, for instance you could just root it if that's all you wanted.
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Hey guys.. Basically I'm still sort of new to Rooting, and flashing, and doing all these other things. I have the Nexus One and I was told it's much easier to root and unlock it than something like the G1. then doing the Danger SPL also has me worried.
Basically my mother has the G1, and she used to love it, but between using my N1, and it just getting older she's really starting to complain she wants a new phone.. The 1.6 Email client sucks compared to 2.2 & I'd really like to throw Cyan 5.08 or CM 6 on her G1.
Basically is there anyone in Vegas that would do this procedure for me for a small fee? I cant risk messing it up as she needs it for work n such. PM me if you're in vegas! Thanks!
Froyo isnt avalable for the G1 yet, there are a couple of smashed together builds, but nowt with everything working.
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Hey guys.. Basically I'm still sort of new to Rooting, and flashing, and doing all these other things. I have the Nexus One and I was told it's much easier to root and unlock it than something like the G1. then doing the Danger SPL also has me worried.
Basically my mother has the G1, and she used to love it, but between using my N1, and it just getting older she's really starting to complain she wants a new phone.. The 1.6 Email client sucks compared to 2.2 & I'd really like to throw Cyan 5.08 or CM 6 on her G1.
Basically is there anyone in Vegas that would do this procedure for me for a small fee? I cant risk messing it up as she needs it for work n such. PM me if you're in vegas! Thanks!
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Your better off doing it yourself its not hard. (That's what she said)
And after your done rooting I suggest flashing a 2.2 (Eclair) ROM.
because their the most stable and fastest.
Well, basically I've rooted and flashed many rom's and updates on my Nexus One. But I had someone helping me from Androidcommunity.com and made it easy because we had a few snags and I'm new to fastboot and never done much in command prompt either.
I was told it's much harder, and easier to screw up when rooting a G1. and doing the Danger thing so i can use something like CM5 is even riskier.. Thats why i'd like to just get someone to do it.
as long as I follow instructions it's not to bad is it
If you look around in the development section...you'll see fireats got versdions of cm5 that don't require the dangerspl.
Also, if your mother is needing this phone for business....don't go messing around with it.
Oh and if by email you mean exchange, check out Touchdown in the Market.
This is the site i used when I rooted for the first time. it was easy.
http://theunlockr.com/2010/04/26/how-to-root-the-htc-g1dream/
Rooting the G1 is actually easier than a lot of other phones. The aforementioned 1-click method is probably the easiest way to go. Even though I no longer use my G1 as my daily driver, I still flash it pretty regularly. All my friends with G1's usually have me root their phones. So far I haven't bricked one yet so u should be all good. I'm in Vegas too so if u have any questions, lemme know. Having said that, you should be all good.
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I used this video to root my G1. YOUTUBE for the rescue!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8F7FVISb7w - part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H00kN2K2Q_8&feature=related - part 2
and remeber... the most hepful guide of all http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+To+Root+G1+in+One+Click.
i clicked your lmgtfy link just because i was curious if there was a 1 click procedure and was too lazy to type the search...+1 for you, next time hide the lmgtfy, it makes it that much better when they don't suspect it.
I personally used the guide on CyanogenMod's Wiki (im new on the forums so i cant link its addy but just google "Full Update Guide - G1/Dream Firmware to CyanogenMod" if youre interested) when i was first learning. It's been updated so everything is current. Its well written and pretty easy to follow, IMO.
Also, there is a shoutbox on CM's forums you could use to ask for help in realtime should you get in a jam. Just do your homework, be confident, and read the instructions!
Iv been a nokia user all my life, love trying new things with my device.
Now finally Iv decided to shift, I am getting a HTC Desire Z this week for approx $500.
Is it worth that much?
If i do need a qwerty keypad, is there any other phone better than this one in the market?
Also im totally new to rooting and roms stuff,
How much of a difference is it to root the device?(the HTC sense UI is already pretty awesome and customizable from the reviews iv seen)
Is it worth the risk?
idk if they have craigslist wherever you're from, but i can find one right now for around $250
The device is not on craiglist here, 500$ is cheap i guess(its unlocked to any carrier here),
Another small doubt, can anyone share a link on how to root the desire z, all i can find is for g2(i read somewhere its not the same)
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The device is not on craiglist here, 500$ is cheap i guess(its unlocked to any carrier here),
Another small doubt, can anyone share a link on how to root the desire z, all i can find is for g2(i read somewhere its not the same)
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The best guide for both is the Gfree root, s-off and super CID thread in the development forum.
The most up-to-date guide for rooting, which covers all Vision phones (both G2 and Desire Z) is in the Wiki - http://forum.xda-developers.com/wik...sion#Rooting_the_Vision_.28G2.2FDZ.29_and_DHD
Whether to root or not is a very personal choice. But even if you don't want to load custom ROMs, there are still some things that can only be done on rooted phones. Some software, like ShootMe and Titanium Backup only work on rooted phones. Also, if your version of the Desire Z has any bloatware, it needs to be rooted to remove it.
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Whether to root or not is a very personal choice. But even if you don't want to load custom ROMs, there are still some things that can only be done on rooted phones. Some software, like ShootMe and Titanium Backup only work on rooted phones. Also, if your version of the Desire Z has any bloatware, it needs to be rooted to remove it.
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But what all do i lose on the desire z on rooting it.?
Does the sense UI remain the exactly same?
Also is it possible to kind of unroot it later on for warranty issues n stuff?
navkaranchadha said:
But what all do i lose on the desire z on rooting it.?
Does the sense UI remain the exactly same?
Also is it possible to kind of unroot it later on for warranty issues n stuff?
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You can possibly lose warranty,.... only if something goes horribly wrong and you cant unroot again, but in usual cases, yes you can unroot for warranty purposes.
You can still use full SenseUI,... But you dont have to if you dont want,... thats the beauty.
navkaranchadha said:
But what all do i lose on the desire z on rooting it.?
Does the sense UI remain the exactly same?
Also is it possible to kind of unroot it later on for warranty issues n stuff?
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Typically, if it is so buggered that you can't "unroot" it, then they won't be able to tell that you did anything to it to begin with.
Root does NOT take anything away... what root is, is simply GODLIKE POWER. Being GOD doesn't limit your freedom, it ENHANCES it.
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Typically, if it is so buggered that you can't "unroot" it, then they won't be able to tell that you did anything to it to begin with.
Root does NOT take anything away... what root is, is simply GODLIKE POWER. Being GOD doesn't limit your freedom, it ENHANCES it.
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Well, I don't know about "godlike", but it is fun to have "superuser" privilege
All rooting does, is give you privilege/permission to access the operating system files. It does not actually change any files or take away anything. Its very unlikely to mess up your phone rooting as long as you follow the instruction carefully. And to me, the benefits are well worth the risk.
One more benefit I forgot to mention before, is that overclocking the CPU is only possible on a rooted phone.
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Well, I don't know about "godlike", but it is fun to have "superuser" privilege
All rooting does, is give you privilege/permission to access the operating system files. It does not actually change any files or take away anything. Its very unlikely to mess up your phone rooting as long as you follow the instruction carefully. And to me, the benefits are well worth the risk.
One more benefit I forgot to mention before, is that overclocking the CPU is only possible on a rooted phone.
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I read somewhere in xda, that the phone loses htcsense.com feature, htc locations and some other sense specific feature. Is it so? Iv had my nokia rooted, i know what it feels like, but these few htc features are the ones that sold me on it. Dont want them to go.
Also the phone data, do i lose it on rooting?
and whats the diff between gfree and hboot?
Sorry im new at all this, still researchin on the xda forums.
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I read somewhere in xda, that the phone loses htcsense.com feature, htc locations and some other sense specific feature. Is it so? Iv had my nokia rooted, i know what it feels like, but these few htc features are the ones that sold me on it. Dont want them to go.
Also the phone data, do i lose it on rooting?
and whats the diff between gfree and hboot?
Sorry im new at all this, still researchin on the xda forums.
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I dont have a desire z, so I cant answer with 100% certainty. But I have a rooted G2 with a Desire Z Sense rom on it and htcsense.com seemed to work, but I turned it off as I hated it.
navkaranchadha said:
I read somewhere in xda, that the phone loses htcsense.com feature, htc locations and some other sense specific feature. Is it so? Iv had my nokia rooted, i know what it feels like, but these few htc features are the ones that sold me on it. Dont want them to go.
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I highly doubt that htcsense.com can tell if you are rooted or not. You certainly don't lose HTC Locations or any of the other stuff, it all works fine still. Don't worry.
htcsense.com is actually very flaky at the moment, and HTC admit they are still working on it. So it doesn't work very well anyway for a lot of people, rooted or not.
Also the phone data, do i lose it on rooting?
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No, you don't lose any data on rooting. Unless the rooting goes so badly wrong (extremely unlikely if you use the method in the Wiki) and have to flash a ROM again to recover.
and whats the diff between gfree and hboot?
Sorry im new at all this, still researchin on the xda forums.
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hboot is the bootloader on your phone. You can "see" it if you have the phone powered off (not just asleep, you need to turn off the "fast boot" feature in Menu->Settings->Applications or pull the battery), then hold Volume Down then press Power till it turns on. There is an "eng" (engineering) version of hboot that gives you a few more flashing/recovery functions, but that's not essential to start with, ignore that for now.
gfree is a utility that can be used in rooting and primarily for achieving a full S-OFF on your phone, plus SIM unlock and "superCID" - see more details at http://forum.xda-developers.com/wik...Subsidy_Unlock.2C_SuperCID.2C_and_Radio_S-OFF
So since mytouch was updated to 2.2.1 is it worth rotting still?
My old mytouch was in pretty bad condition so i never decided to root it... Well it fell in a big puddle of water so im filed a insurance claim and will have my new one Monday. Seeing as it wont be in such beat up condition do you think its worth rooting?
What are some of the benefits from gaining root? Not much of a phone hacking guy lol.
Know my way around a computer very well just i do not know what kind of benefits you will gain once ur root your phone.
I'v seen many links on how to root it not sure which one will be the best as most of them seem a bit old. Not sure if i will get another original mytouch or one with the 3.5mm jack
Not much of a reading guy are you either? It would really only take you 5min to either search here or google benifits of rooting, reasons to root etc....
But, if you cant do that, Id stay away from trying to root yoru phone because you will probably just end up bricking it and blaming it on a hard working developer
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Not much of a reading guy are you either? It would really only take you 5min to either search here or google benifits of rooting, reasons to root etc....
But, if you cant do that, Id stay away from trying to root yoru phone because you will probably just end up bricking it and blaming it on a hard working developer
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Lol...
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So first off, I'm new to Android, the MT4G is the first I will Android phone I will have have ever owned. I have been on Unlocked/Jailbroken iPhones for 2 years and I did the unlocks/jailbreaks myself. Now I'm sick of slow incompatible bands, anyways, I just got my MT4G, I have lots of questions.
Lots of questions, some easy, some... not so easy?
1. What's the main difference between perm root vs visionary? It seems like perm root is relatively difficult still and I don't want to risk bricking my phone...
2. What rom/kernel/firmware should I use? I've never dealt with so many variables when I was on the iPhone.
3. So I got "panel = 1", looks like I will try to get it replaced... Can I still play with my phone for the next few days, then get it backed up and when the "good" phone comes in, I can restore that backup? Therefore allowing me to keep all the stuff I did in the downtime of the new phone coming in.
Thank you in advanced!
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So first off, I'm new to Android, the MT4G is the first I will Android phone I will have have ever owned. I have been on Unlocked/Jailbroken iPhones for 2 years and I did the unlocks/jailbreaks myself. Now I'm sick of slow incompatible bands, anyways, I just got my MT4G, I have lots of questions.
Lots of questions, some easy, some... not so easy?
1. What's the main difference between perm root vs visionary? It seems like perm root is relatively difficult still and I don't want to risk bricking my phone...
Visionary is only the first step to permroot, bit it's not difficult and you won't brick if you read all directions and follow them all to the letter. I personally recommend grankins guide, not the ultimate one, as it was the easiest for me to do.
2. What rom/kernel/firmware should I use? I've never dealt with so many variables when I was on the iPhone.
That's the great thing about android: you get to pick all these roms are amazing, it just depends on what features you're looking for.
3. So I got "panel = 1", looks like I will try to get it replaced... Can I still play with my phone for the next few days, then get it backed up and when the "good" phone comes in, I can restore that backup? Therefore allowing me to keep all the stuff I did in the downtime of the new phone coming in.
Theoretically, yes. Just nandroid backup once rooted and clockwork recovery is installed, and you should be able to resoree from that on your new phone once you root it.
Thank you in advanced!
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Any other questions, feel free to pm me or hit me up on Google talk (same username). And don't for get to hit thanks if this helped
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Thanks! Going back to rom/kernel/firmware, is there a master list that allows me to compare them all?
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Thanks! Going back to rom/kernel/firmware, is there a master list that allows me to compare them all?
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Yeah, the resource Bible posted by tiger013 under the development section it should be up to date on all the latest roms , kernels and themes. It also contains the rooting guide I told you about, along with several others.
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Just do a little research and learn what things are. (IE: What a kernel is vs a ROM)
Then it gets a little easier when you learn the android terminology. Learn the basics, and you should be fine as well. Like getting ADB to recognize your phone.
Hey all, I was thinking of getting a g2 after my contract is ready for it, and ive got a few questions. I'm not really a noob to all this rooting and cyanogen mod, so i might understand some of the technical jargon. i've rooted my g1 with cyanogen 5.0.8
If you use visionary to temp-root your phone daily, is there any chance for bricking it? Are there are any known problems with using visionary?
what are the main benefits with getting permaroot as opposed to just temp rooting it everytime? im not that interested in roms like cyanogen, gingervillan,etc
can you use setcpu with the stock tmobile g2 rom?
is the hinge really that bad?
does tmobile really monitor tethering? some say that the original g1 plan includes tethering but that just sounds absurd.
what exactly does busybox do? i have asked this several times but havent gotten a clear answer; i know that it has to do with linux, but thats about it :/
theres a section on the wiki about g2 radios; i dont understand what is the problem with the stock radio and why someone would want to flash another one besdies for the reason of getting a better signal, but this leads me to the question of 'doesnt tmobile update the radio? why would we need to manually update radio'?
what are the main differences between using visionary temp to permaroot and the adb method? if i were to use the visionary one, at what point could i enable s- off and hboot?
that being said, is there any news about a new release of visionary?
can't people just ask tmobile for a sim unlock code after 1 year? why do we have to root it and do it?
Looking at the wiki, i dont understand what md5 is when the wiki provides downloads and what it means
what is hboot used for and whats the difference between that and a bootloader (whats a bootloader btw)
can both temp rooting and both versions of permarooting work on 1.19 and 1.12?
thanks!
EDIT: can a mod move this to the right section? (Q&A)
I can only address a few of these questions and leave a majority of them for more intense power-users than myself.
what are the main benefits with getting permaroot as opposed to just temp rooting it everytime
can you use setcpu with the stock tmobile g2 rom?
what exactly does busybox do?
is the hinge really that bad?
can't people just ask tmobile for a sim unlock code after 1 year?
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~I suppose the main difference between perm and temp root would have to be persistence of your root. Once you reboot your phone, you lose temproot. With perm root, this is not an issue and you don't have to set up all your root permissions again and again, thus saving you time.
~No, you cannot use SetCPU on a non-rooted device. Stock rom? Sure, you just gotta have that sweet, sweet super-user sauce.
~Busybox, as far as I can tell, is a prerequisite package to getting titaniumbackup to work. Without the former, the latter will not function.
~The hinge is a matter of perspective. I found it to be rather loose however the merits of this device far outweigh the easily rectified hardware issue. Most users will not have a major issue with the hinge being somewhat lose, however as the stock spring loses oomph as it were, i can see how user dissatisfaction could increase; especially if they're uninformed as to how easy it is to rip the thing apart.
~You should be able to call up customer care and request a sim-unlock code at virtually any time, not just after 1 year. T-mobile is well known for not giving a flying rats ass if you unlock your sim. Keep in mind you will probably encounter some layers of low level phone jockeys in your attempt to do so. Be very clear that you want to be passed up to someone higher in the chain. Even better get a live rep on the tmo-usa website. I found that they're much more knowledgeable and competent.
No cant brick with temp root..the process goes with visionary: you have to gain temp root get an emulater from market type some su commands to get s-off then permaroot your device...now you can oc and have temp root when temp rooted but to flash roms/kernels/custom recovery and not have them erased opon reboot you have to have s-off...the hing is fine it is a lil lose but doesnt effect me at all.id imagine it would effect hip carrier users...bootloader is program to flash radios and things in the safest way..example when you flash a radio in recovery it just flashes in bootloader the file undergoes heavy file checks...(i think)
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ahh, thank you so much! i really appreciate the clear cut answer; in regard to your setcpu on a stock rom, i forgot to mention that it would be temp rooted. So the main question is, could i use setcpu and over/underclock with a temprooted stock rom?
I can't really see that stopping you. You'll have to set it up every time at boot but it should work without to much issue.
If you don't mind me asking, why are you so focused on persisting your temp root? Perm rooting won't take much time..
for a few reasons;
I'd like to be able to return the phone under warranty without the hassle of unrooting and the risk of something going wrong
Also, I'm a bit afraid of adb to be honest xD I have terrible 'luck' when trying to read directions and something little always goes amiss.
There's always the prospect of gingerbread coming soon to vision, and after i get stock 2.3, i dont have that much of a preference for a rom, setcpu and a few other things that are contained in root only interest me.
i really appreciate all your help, thanks!
With the visionary+gfree method you don't need to really know adb to get anything done. there are some shell commands for terminal emulator but that is about it.
However I can totally understand your desire to be able to turn it back in under warranty. I'm moderately concerned about it myself, as assuming the ATT/Tmobile merger goes through I don't know if I will have to turn this device in for credit on a new handset or what.
As for the prospect of stock 2.3 coming to the Vision you're absolutely right. There is a prospect and I think the saga of the long stalled Froyyo update for the Vibrant should teach us to always be wary of whatever the carrier says. Admittedly the g2 is a legacy device in the eyes of many and should have excellent support. But I'll believe it when I see it.
Stock Rom for me neer went higher than 800MHz
Once I rooted my phone, I could not get the cpu to go higher than 800MHz. I think you might need a new kernel. For me the only things I needed rooting for are: screen shot (droidcap2) and over clocking (better response time).
bradley_e_smith said:
Once I rooted my phone, I could not get the cpu to go higher than 800MHz. I think you might need a new kernel. For me the only things I needed rooting for are: screen shot (droidcap2) and over clocking (better response time).
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As you are already starting to piece together: rooting, in of itself, does not enable overclocking. You need to flash a custom kernel which support overclocking.
Scroll down to "Kernels" on the following page and pick one. Kernels are ROM specific (particularly Sense vs. non-Sense), so be sure to read up and pick the right one.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916431
Then install an app such as SetCPU or CPU Tuner to change the maximum CPU clocking.
Titanium Backup (to backup apps and app data) and nandroid backups via Clockworkmod/ROM Manager are a couple other invaluable reasons to root. Aside from the more obvious ability to flash custom ROMs.
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As for the prospect of stock 2.3 coming to the Vision you're absolutely right. There is a prospect and I think the saga of the long stalled Froyyo update for the Vibrant should teach us to always be wary of whatever the carrier says. Admittedly the g2 is a legacy device in the eyes of many and should have excellent support. But I'll believe it when I see it.
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I was reading somewhere (I think an XDA post by a former Samsung employee) about how Samsung does not consider ROM updates a part of their contractual obligation to the carriers, and expects to be paid extra for them. Essentially, blackmailing the carriers for software support for their hardware, that they should already be supplying in the first place (and that most other manufacturers do). This was allegedly a big reason for the long delay in Froyo coming to the Galaxy S series.
HTC seems to be a little more agreeable in this respect. They have announced Gingerbread for the Desire Z sometime this spring. But if you're wanting an official GB ROM without Sense, that has not been mentioned yet, unfortunately.
http://pocketnow.com/android/gingerbread-for-htc-desire-hd-z-and-inspire-s-coming-this-spring