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I wanted to run a 2nd poll following the news that the Hero firmware patch for 2.x had been pushed back yet again....
Do we have an opinion? Do we care much because we have a cool bunch of cooks anyway?
Let's see....
I think it's pointless jumping ship now, after waiting for so long.
It will be more interesting to see if Fro-yo will help to ease this situation with future updates.
there are a serveral options that arent in the poll
no - Ill buy another android device no HTC for me anymore
no - Ill flash a custom rom
for me well i just flashed senseHero 2.1 and im happy with it xD
and next time i guess i will buy a nexus 2 or nex 3 becouse then you will get the newest software i hope
jbr7rr said:
there are a serveral options that arent in the poll
no - Ill buy another android device no HTC for me anymore
no - Ill flash a custom rom
for me well i just flashed senseHero 2.1 and im happy with it xD
and next time i guess i will buy a nexus 2 or nex 3 becouse then you will get the newest software i hope
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Agreed these options should be added.
Good point (below)
Is it really the best place to post such polls at? It's a DEVELOPMENT forum.
kyods said:
Is it really the best place to post such polls at? It's a DEVELOPMENT forum.
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+1
also i would vote for "no i will get a non-htc device before", i think that is an option that should be listed. at least to make people think about that there are ways to show your dis-appreciation (just made that word up) for htc. show them that they suck, buy competitors phones.
edit: now i read the posts between the first and the last, guess i am not the only one thinking this way
Kudos to kyods there
I will wait,not that im waiting for the update i just dont have the "time" to buy a new device every 6/12 months.
But i am a little dissapointed with Android,i thought that beeing open-source would make it easier to keep it updated...i know the main problem is kernell,in other words HTC,but same thing happends with other brands.
All i hope is the few true developers for our Hero stay aboard...
My contract isn't up till next feb so I will hang on for the next gen of devices (4"+ screens, 1.5GHz 2nd Gen processors, Better touch sensors, more RAM e.t.c) and stick with loading custom ROMs on my hero until then
Why would anyone need an "official" GSM rom?
Take the fresh Sprint leak, use the GSM leaked kernels and voila.
It'd be the exact same thing.
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Why would anyone need an "official" GSM rom?
Take the fresh Sprint leak, use the GSM leaked kernels and voila.
It'd be the exact same thing.
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The GSM leaked kernels are crap, the are test kernels that suck the life out of the battery.
We need an official kernel to improve the ROM's any more
i'll just use cooked roms, they are often better than the official ones anyway.
jbr7rr said:
there are a serveral options that arent in the poll
no - Ill buy another android device no HTC for me anymore
no - Ill flash a custom rom
for me well i just flashed senseHero 2.1 and im happy with it xD
and next time i guess i will buy a nexus 2 or nex 3 becouse then you will get the newest software i hope
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I agree, too. These options should be added.
Yes i will wait since i'm already pretty happy with my Hero as it is, but my next phone will not be a HTC...
adwinp said:
Why would anyone need an "official" GSM rom?
Take the fresh Sprint leak, use the GSM leaked kernels and voila.
It'd be the exact same thing.
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+1, no need to wait, aHero is fine for me and I prefer Vanilla Android than SenseUI.
Maybe this update, if it comes one day, will bring new/better/improved drivers, kernel patches or whatever, so I'll wait but ... it's HTC: they'll invest more time in new device than supporting "older" ones
VillianROM
Who needs an official build when we have Nathan, VillianROM is all I need in my life. I only want cooked Roms
All we need from the official HTC update is the kernel.
Ontopic: I will stick with my Hero, since it's a very good phone.
All this screwing around on HTC's part has learnt me one thing. I'm never buying a HTC android device again. They could've release an update months ago. All they want is for us to get tired of waiting and buy a Desire or Legend. Not me.
I'll wait for the upgrade. Buy a new android device in fall. And it will be a Samsung or Motorola.
its annoying, but sensehero 2.1 makes it bearable.
As I am in a contract with my hero, I will wait, but once my contract is up I probably wont be getting another HTC phone. I don't like waiting for updates when they are available, its really annoying, and to be honest, does not make me feel very valued as a customer.
If I am not valued by HTC, then I will not be giving them any more of my money.
simples.
Hi, how long do you think it will take to get a stableish or just usable for a daily driver cm8 (Ice cream sandwich) nightly for our galaxy s2 after ICS is released. I am holding off flashing and rooting until there is an ICS rom, as I don't want to wait like 6 months for Samsung to update. Thanks
Maybe you should hold off on stupid questions till CM7 is stable on SGS2.
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Maybe you should hold off on stupid questions till CM7 is stable on SGS2.
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It's not stupid at all, it's a fair enough question to ask, as a lot of people on this forum know what they are talking about , and will have some idea of how long it could take to develop a just usable rom. I wan't asking for a spesific time, I was wonder would it be with in 2 or 6 months to develop the rom. People could base the time on how long it has taken for cm7 to be ported and how long it took for cm7 and other roms to be ported to other device. But, seen as how I had a desire before this and got it after the stable cm7 was out, I don't know how long it takes to port roms, therefore it is a valid question to ask. Also instead of making annoying remarks, if you have nothing productive to say, do me a favor and zip it. If you didn't like the question they you should have just ignored it. But thanks for your reply
mods can we please ban the OP, and close this useless topic
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To the OP:
To put it nicer than most are on here so far...
There are just too many variables. No one knows when ICS will be out to start with, and no one knows what could happen after they start working on it.
Remoteconcern said:
To the OP:
To put it nicer than most are on here so far...
There are just too many variables. No one knows when ICS will be out to start with, and no one knows what could happen after they start working on it.
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Remoteconcern said:
To the OP:
To put it nicer than most are on here so far...
There are just too many variables. No one knows when ICS will be out to start with, and no one knows what could happen after they start working on it.
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Thanks,I was curious about this myself
You should know that the first rule of Cyanogenmod is never ask for an ETA.
Rumour has it that Google want ICS to be simultaneously released for all major devices i.e. every top end phone around the same time, so no fragmentation. I would guess that there will be an official SGS2 ICS rom before AOSP is released, or shortly after.
Hello my fellow HTC Desire HD users and developers.
My name is StJohn, I'm from South Africa.
I'm very dissapointed to see that we have been left behind in the ICS race.
Nexus one users are seeing progress with ICS, along with the desire users, and a couple others. The desire users already have a flashable ZIP...
So heres the big question:
Where is our ICS progress? Is there no developers working on one for us?
The Desire HD hardware is ahead of the desire, so thats not an excuse. And I
know theres no source code yet, but developers are making progress with the SDK just to give users a taste of ICS at least. I just want to see the same progress for the Desire HD users. Wheres our ICS?
Hi
Developers here tend to wait for the official release before doing anything like that. It saves a ton of hassle because theres less that will go wrong and less complaints and things.
If cyanogen team isn't ready to make it, then I'm not ready to use it
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If cyanogen team isn't ready to make it, then I'm not ready to use it
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Yep, Cyanogen is the most stock like custom ROM I know of, and if they can't make it yet, it must not be fit for general use.
raze599 said:
Yep, Cyanogen is the most stock like custom ROM I know of, and if they can't make it yet, it must not be fit for general use.
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While I agree with the point. CM mod is not really all that close to stock anymore. It has its own framework and built in mods. Nothing wring with it as I use a CM bases rom from time to time.
But I do agree with the fact they are wanting to wait for the source. The sdk is not enough to build anything worth releasing right now. Mainly with huge population of new to Modding people on XDA now. A couple of years ago I would have been all over the sdk as well and tossed something out there knowing that the people using it would be able to help with the loads of issues that it Will have for sure. Can't do that now. To many people blindly flashing with know real idea of what is going on and don't know how to give proper feedback and bug reports. Now I know this is just due to people being new and we were all new at once but now there are more people coming from an iPhone or this is there first smartphone and can't really release what we used to.
Considering that the Galaxy Nexus hasn't even been released yet, saying that DHD users have been left behind is totally ridiculous.
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Considering that the Galaxy Nexus hasn't even been released yet, saying that DHD users have been left behind is totally ridiculous.
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good point, I believe the OP would need to contact CM's client service to complain
This should ease your concerns, https://plus.google.com/105502178297258827378/posts/PxQ6cVjVdUd
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Considering that the Galaxy Nexus hasn't even been released yet, saying that DHD users have been left behind is totally ridiculous.
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+1
Remember assumptions are the mother of all F**K Ups
They have been trying. They have it booting but the touchscreen does not work so nothing can be done.
To be fair,its all different hardware niggles, the end of the day..you could have a dev release a rom...that has a hundred bugs and is generally ****. Gingerbread came out,which was good you could test it but really pissed you off in a way that there was no way to use it daily unless you fancied losing wifi or no bluetooth.
Patience is the key.Why are there so many threads about this **** lol its every time, i do also want to post numerous threads regarding this but patience. How has the hd been left behind anyway, we have had every release so far besides ice cream
i'm almost sure DHD won't get ICS... technicaly DHD could get an 2.3.4 or 2.3.5 official OTA anytime but HTC waits until ICS will hit Sensations. Just about one month before that, DHD will get 2.3.5 as final official update...
It was the same with Hero last year... when htc rolled 2.1 on HERO just before the 2.2 launch on the newer devices. It's all marketing and I'm sure the carriers are the key players... especially the ones in US. They are making the rules and the 2 years product rollout cycle.
I'm also pretty sure that HTC "supports" the "rooting and custom roms development"... as some kind of justice for the HTC hard core consumers...
One way or another ICS will come to the dhd... If its not official it will be a port or cyanogen.
But atm i'm really happy with the 2.3.5 runny rom^^ Lets just be a little patient!
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If cyanogen team isn't ready to make it, then I'm not ready to use it
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What he said.
cristeamax said:
i'm almost sure DHD won't get ICS...
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harrehk said:
This should ease your concerns, https://plus.google.com/105502178297258827378/posts/PxQ6cVjVdUd
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It's a two page thread. Come on.
The Sensation is getting ICS so I'm very sure the DHD will get it.
If you don't think so have more faith in devs on xda.
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in that 2 page thread it says
"New devices,i.e,Released after May 2011 will receive the updates prior to the old phones like Desire HD"
What that means? no ICS TO DHD? ?
did not understadn fully that thing there please explain?
All I want, and so many other people, is a taste of ICS, Just a test drive, I'm not asking for daily use, and the expression "left out" is referring to the SDK roms coming out, not the official source code or official release of ICS.
Just want to see some progress to a flashable ICS port, and now I am seeing that over at the development forum so this is good.
This may a ridiculous question (sorry in advance) but would any port of ICS still have the SRS settings for the music player?
Pruikki said:
in that 2 page thread it says
"New devices,i.e,Released after May 2011 will receive the updates prior to the old phones like Desire HD"
What that means? no ICS TO DHD? ?
did not understadn fully that thing there please explain?
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It means the newer phones will get it first.
Hey,
I'm sure you've seen Beezy's (on AndroidCentral) and DrewGaren's work on a stable ICS port for the Nexus S. Beezy's original ROM for the Nexus S 4G originally comes from a leak-of-sorts of ICS Build 13 (that's the one that was on that Nexus S off eBay a month ago that was all over the Net, Build 14/15 is the final version that's hitting with the Galaxy Nexus), and DrewGaren worked on making it all compatible with the Nexus S 3G and pulling in more newer UI features from the SDK. It seems to be VERY stable as well.
Here's the link to DrewGaren's site: http://drewgaren.com/DrewGaren.com/ICS/ICS.html
And there's also a thread on the Nexus S version: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1313337
Current version is Beta 4, Beta 5 should be out this weekend, and he claims it's stable enough to be a daily ROM... He's also working on a SDK port for the Nexus S and the Nexus One.
So, the question is, are any of the HD2 devs willing to port this? If it's that stable, it will be a brilliant thing to use on our HD2s until source hits just after Nov 17 (that's when the G-Nex is out in the UK at least, according to Amazon.co.uk) I'm actually impressed how they got a stable (-ish) port out for the Nexus S!
it's here already.. not that perfect but at least you can feel them already before the official release..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18745118&postcount=80
JeremyGuan said:
it's here already.. not that perfect but at least you can feel them already before the official release..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18745118&postcount=80
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Thanks, so is that basically a port of the We Scream For Ice Cream ROM, because I can't really work out from the posts on that thread if it is...
antovolk said:
Thanks, so is that basically a port of the We Scream For Ice Cream ROM, because I can't really work out from the posts on that thread if it is...
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Nope, this is a port of the Android SDK.
Nigeldg said:
Nope, this is a port of the Android SDK.
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Saw that, thanks! I'm just hoping that they can use this ROM to work off for a stable HD2 port...
I'm sure it's coming we just have to be patient.
antovolk said:
Hey,
I'm sure you've seen Beezy's (on AndroidCentral) and DrewGaren's work on a stable ICS port for the Nexus S. Beezy's original ROM for the Nexus S 4G originally comes from a leak-of-sorts of ICS Build 13 (that's the one that was on that Nexus S off eBay a month ago that was all over the Net, Build 14/15 is the final version that's hitting with the Galaxy Nexus), and DrewGaren worked on making it all compatible with the Nexus S 3G and pulling in more newer UI features from the SDK. It seems to be VERY stable as well.
Here's the link to DrewGaren's site: http://drewgaren.com/DrewGaren.com/ICS/ICS.html
And there's also a thread on the Nexus S version: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1313337
Current version is Beta 4, Beta 5 should be out this weekend, and he claims it's stable enough to be a daily ROM... He's also working on a SDK port for the Nexus S and the Nexus One.
So, the question is, are any of the HD2 devs willing to port this? If it's that stable, it will be a brilliant thing to use on our HD2s until source hits just after Nov 17 (that's when the G-Nex is out in the UK at least, according to Amazon.co.uk) I'm actually impressed how they got a stable (-ish) port out for the Nexus S!
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Tytung is like the Master when it comes to the Nexus for the HD2. So if the Nexus has a stable enough rom to be use every day I'm sure the HD2 will have it. It will complete the collection. Froyo, Gingerbread and Ice Cream Sandwich.
HD2 never had Donut/Cupcake?
daedric said:
HD2 never had Donut/Cupcake?
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Why are you going back in time?
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venky80 said:
Why are you going back in time?
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I'm not... just asking
Actually... i'm curious if the HD2 ever had anything bellow 2.2...
if nexus 1 cant run ICW, i doubt we can.. hoping to get a try of ICW before deciding if i should get the galaxy nexus as my next phone after hd2..
fi3ry_icy said:
if nexus 1 cant run ICW, i doubt we can.. hoping to get a try of ICW before deciding if i should get the galaxy nexus as my next phone after hd2..
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I'm going to disagree with you here, I think you're over looking one big thing. The HD2 wasn't suppose to run Android period, now it does. And... We have a lot of different versions now, like Sense 3.5. If memory serves me, our awesome phone wasn't suppose to run that cause it's for dual core phones, but it does and now we have a graphic's fix for it that smooths everything out. It's just a matter of time and how determined people/devs are.
If someone feels the need to correct me, please do so.
fi3ry_icy said:
if nexus 1 cant run ICW, i doubt we can.. hoping to get a try of ICW before deciding if i should get the galaxy nexus as my next phone after hd2..
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dermann said:
I'm going to disagree with you here, I think you're over looking one big thing. The HD2 wasn't suppose to run Android period, now it does. And... We have a lot of different versions now, like Sense 3.5. If memory serves me, our awesome phone wasn't suppose to run that cause it's for dual core phones, but it does and now we have a graphic's fix for it that smooths everything out. It's just a matter of time and how determined people/devs are.
If someone feels the need to correct me, please do so.
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He said IF. And those suspitions come from a google-employee-wannabe that has been spreading FUD long before.
The nexus is more than capable of running ICS, what MIGHT happen, is Google not releasing it officially.
As to the HD2... and the Diamond, and the Fuse, and the Blackcomb... and the Rhodium... and the Vogue... and the Kaiser... and the Polaris... None of them was meant to run Android.
I can't speak for all those devices, i only have a HD2 and a Kaiser... and both of them have a amazing support. On the Kaiser at we're only missing a better power manegement, and camera auto focus. The rest, works as it should.
Kaiser came with WM6.0... it got 6.1 officially..... it got 6.5 unofficially... it got Android unoficially... Ubuntu...
If we're all going to "Don't think about it... the [insert device name here] was not meant to run [insert os here]", XDA would not exist.
Besides... the "it's not possible" or the "it's not going to work" idea... is really really Apple'ish. And they got android on the 3g or 3gs IIRC
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He said IF. And those suspitions come from a google-employee-wannabe that has been spreading FUD long before.
The nexus is more than capable of running ICS, what MIGHT happen, is Google not releasing it officially.
As to the HD2... and the Diamond, and the Fuse, and the Blackcomb... and the Rhodium... and the Vogue... and the Kaiser... and the Polaris... None of them was meant to run Android.
I can't speak for all those devices, i only have a HD2 and a Kaiser... and both of them have a amazing support. On the Kaiser at we're only missing a better power manegement, and camera auto focus. The rest, works as it should.
Kaiser came with WM6.0... it got 6.1 officially..... it got 6.5 unofficially... it got Android unoficially... Ubuntu...
If we're all going to "Don't think about it... the [insert device name here] was not meant to run [insert os here]", XDA would not exist.
Besides... the "it's not possible" or the "it's not going to work" idea... is really really Apple'ish. And they got android on the 3g or 3gs IIRC
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This was the point I was trying to make, but you have done it far better than me.
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Alright guys...lets face it. Our HD2 will definitely run ICS and even Jelly Bean...its just a matter of how fast and stable it will be compared to the amzingly stable and speedy 2.3 builds we have now. Also, its also a matter of time till CM9 hits ICS...Hope Google releases the AOSP code soon!...
uhm..? click me!
*roll eyes*
fi3ry_icy said:
if nexus 1 cant run ICW, i doubt we can.. hoping to get a try of ICW before deciding if i should get the galaxy nexus as my next phone after hd2..
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Who said Nexus 1 can't run ICS? I'm sure it can. All I've heard is that it will not get an official update to ICS. Screw the official update. This is XDA and everything is possible.
Alot of sources are now saying the source code for ics is being released on the 17th, So not long to wait now!
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Alot of sources are now saying the source code for ics is being released on the 17th, So not long to wait now!
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Looks like the sources were off a couple of days
Now the waiting to see who, if anyone, is going to work on a ICS rom - and if it will be better then what we have now!
hi all the awesome developers
do you think anyone will manage to get a working SDK port on our device?
and a question: if HTC wont release a kernel for JB for our device, we will get stuck without camera or we could use the ICS kernel?
thanks, and good luck at porting
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hi all the awesome developers
do you think anyone will manage to get a working SDK port on our device?
and a question: if HTC wont release a kernel for JB for our device, we will get stuck without camera or we could use the ICS kernel?
thanks, and good luck at porting
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I'm betting that AOSP ROMs should be able to be ported with just an ICS kernel, much of 4.1 is UI improvements rather than deep changes like 4.0.
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hi all the awesome developers
do you think anyone will manage to get a working SDK port on our device?
and a question: if HTC wont release a kernel for JB for our device, we will get stuck without camera or we could use the ICS kernel?
thanks, and good luck at porting
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Most likely not. There are many under the hood changes that will not work without the proper source but to be honest. Why in such a rush, The ICS source is still a few months away
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Most likely not. There are many under the hood changes that will not work without the proper source but to be honest. Why in such a rush, The ICS source is still a few months away
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4.0 and 4.1 is totally different from 2.3 to 4.0 so you're completely wrong here.
The answer is. It is possible but someone needs to do it and most developers have moved on.
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4.0 and 4.1 is totally different from 2.3 to 4.0 so you're completely wrong here.
The answer is. It is possible but someone needs to do it and most developers have moved on.
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We will see. The notification bar alone will require massive work. Not to mention the changes they added to the kernel to support the tegra closed source drivers. So we will see what happens when the nexus gets the update.
Not to mention few will use the sdk to make a rom
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so, there is a fully working rom for the galaxy nexus.
how will be our hero and port it?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1738197
aaand everyone gave up on ics cuz they saw the next item. did we get all the apple users to buy android phones or something?
btw porting from nexus is not gonna happen. jb is quite a ways off from dhd if at all. starting to push the limits of this old phone. and personally id rather have a perfect working ics coming soon than start up with another flakey and nothing really working alpha again.
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aaand everyone gave up on ics cuz they saw the next item. did we get all the apple users to buy android phones or something?
btw porting from nexus is not gonna happen. jb is quite a ways off from dhd if at all. starting to push the limits of this old phone. and personally id rather have a perfect working ics coming soon than start up with another flakey and nothing really working alpha again.
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we will have an official fully working ICS in a few weeks, and I think the AOSP ICS roms are good enough for daily use, so its just the right time to start working on JB!
It says here ........http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s3-jelly-bean-update-details-samsung-ram-98158/ ......that JB will be rolled out to 3 year old devices, some by July, and one of these is the Nexus S. So if the Nexus S will be capable of running JB we might even be lucky enough to see an official release for our DHD's by the end of the year maybe!!?? Atleast should get a decent port!! Looks more promising to see some Jelly Bean goodness than I first thought anyway!!
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It says here ........http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s3-jelly-bean-update-details-samsung-ram-98158/.......that JB will be rolled out to 3 year old devices, some by July, and one of these is the Nexus S. So if the Nexus S will be capable of running JB we might even be lucky enough to see an official release for our DHD's by the end of the year maybe!!?? Atleast should get a decent port!! Looks more promising to see some Jelly Bean goodness than I first thought anyway!!
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remember. ICS was released mid october, and we still dont have official yet :/
True, but ICS was a major change to Gingerbread whereas JB is supposed to be an incremental upgrade, so maybe if we do get it officially it will be a bit quicker getting to us than ICS!!?? Can always hope
LC said he is waiting for source, and then he will build a rom.
he also said JB is a small update to the source, so it wont be a problem to build a working rom. (or at least this is how I read it XD)
Our DHDs are due an official ICS rom in the coming weeks. Once this happens, surely it won't take long to get the camera fully working in ICS and JB update should merely be incremental. I'm not a dev though, so could be wrong.
I did the jellybean sdk port for iconia a500 and I happen to have a desire hd in my pocket maybe I'll mess with it
randomblame said:
I did the jellybean sdk port for iconia a500 and I happen to have a desire hd in my pocket maybe I'll mess with it
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You would be loved by the entire Desire HD community please DO!!!!! ))
it's booting
got past the gralloc issues and it showed the bootanimation and now the android is upgrading screen. May not look quite right I'm using software rendering
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it's booting
got past the gralloc issues and it showed the bootanimation and now the android is upgrading screen. May not look quite right I'm using software rendering
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LOL, already?
it's not hard...
still got a few issues preventing boot to homescreen tracking them down.
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it's not hard...
still got a few issues preventing boot to homescreen tracking them down.
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How is the speed compared to AOSP ICS?
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Wow, your good
If you debug, do you any good sign for the camera?