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Captivate-> Root if Galaxy S does

I read in another forum that they thought rooting of the AT&T Captivate is unlikely, due to its difference from Galaxy S, and that AT&T would prevent that.
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unlikely....but until someone versed in the skill of rooting gets his hands on the Captivate, it's all speculation i.e. pointless.

I don't think it will make much difference. Sure, ATT tends to lock their devices down... But, that is normally on a general user basis. Think about the iCrap - they were still able to be jailbroken, etc.
If a method of "Root" is found for any of the Galaxy S devices I would think that same method would work on all of them.
However, this is just my opinion and like the previous post stated - until we get one in hand we can't be 100% sure.
As far as the Captivate being a lot different from the other Galaxy S devices... Samsung is pushing to have a "Galaxy S" device on all carriers and in 110 countries. There will most likely be some small differences among the devices. However, it wouldn't seem likely that they would be different enough that one ROM couldn't be used for several different models. Take a look at what CyanogenMod did with their ROM's - slight differences allow for them to be used on two HTC devices and the Motorola Droid. Most Desire/N1 ROMS are almost interchangeable.
If the Galaxy S is anywhere NEAR as successful as Samsung is hoping there will be a LOT of people wanting root and custom ROMS.

Galaxy S Rooted
www.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-s-rooted-it-aint-easy
Galaxy S rooted. Good new for Captivate...Hopefully.

The HTC Aria has already been rooted, too. So I don't expect it would take long for the Captivate. Wonder if the addition of the gyroscope would make things more difficult

Only other thing I'd like to see then after the root is a rom to load that is the original, in case of warranty needs.

I am torn between an AT&T Nexus One and a Captivate.
I want to stay with AT&T because the wife loves her iphone. The Captivate would be much cheaper via an upgrade but I dont think I want it if its not going to be able to be rooted.
I am going to wait a couple of weeks and see how the scene looks before jumping on it the first day its available.

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ewingr said:
Only other thing I'd like to see then after the root is a rom to load that is the original, in case of warranty needs.
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the way I understand it. you create a backup during the rooting process. So you can restore to original.
Thanks

tysj said:
The HTC Aria has already been rooted, too. So I don't expect it would take long for the Captivate. Wonder if the addition of the gyroscope would make things more difficult
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It doesn't have a gyroscope. It has a "six-axis accelerometer" that acts like one. I don't think this is a significant change.

dsjr2006 said:
It doesn't have a gyroscope. It has a "six-axis accelerometer" that acts like one. I don't think this is a significant change.
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Why are you trading up from N1 to Captivate? N1 is still a really good phone. i hear customization for this phone will take some time before it releases. it took nearly two month to release custom rom for Galaxy S the Euro Version. I think i might wait for the captivate until i there is a good rom to run on.
I also hear that samsung will prevent future updates. in the news froyo will be released but looking at the history of previous android samsung phones, they might not release the update and make customers buy a new equipment.
Also due to some driver encryption, only rom we can customize is the version samsung releases. I hope i am wrong about this cuz i want this phone. but i don't want to buy now and have a outdated phone six month later. Phones like N1 will have new custom rom every time goggle release an update. I also like to get a N1 but ATT version is so expensive.

Ummmm...has anyone forgotten that Samsung has been more cooperative and timely in releasing their kernel and driver source code than most (all?) of their competitors?
I present Exhibit 1 for the SGS:
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/reception_main.do?searchValue=i9000&method=reception_search

Balthazar B said:
Ummmm...has anyone forgotten that Samsung has been more cooperative and timely in releasing their kernel and driver source code than most (all?) of their competitors?
I present Exhibit 1 for the SGS:
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/reception_main.do?searchValue=i9000&method=reception_search
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yeah but this is for the i9000. US version is i897. Is this going to be compatible to US version?

sl8125 said:
Why are you trading up from N1 to Captivate? N1 is still a really good phone. i hear customization for this phone will take some time before it releases. it took nearly two month to release custom rom for Galaxy S the Euro Version. I think i might wait for the captivate until i there is a good rom to run on.
I also hear that samsung will prevent future updates. in the news froyo will be released but looking at the history of previous android samsung phones, they might not release the update and make customers buy a new equipment.
Also due to some driver encryption, only rom we can customize is the version samsung releases. I hope i am wrong about this cuz i want this phone. but i don't want to buy now and have a outdated phone six month later. Phones like N1 will have new custom rom every time goggle release an update. I also like to get a N1 but ATT version is so expensive.
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I'm not gonna go off of what people have heard or baseless speculation. The N1 is really starting to piss me off with its crappy RF and now that I have my iPhone 4 I'm not liking the N1 too much so I'm hoping this device is going to be much better. I can deal with not having 2.2 right away and I think this phone will sell amazingly well and there will be lots of support official or not so I'm gonna take my chances.
The reason Samsung probably didn't update their previous Android devices is because they were utter crap and anyone buying them should have seen that coming. Why buy a phone that already has last gen hardware and expect to have the latest software?

I personally will be up at the crack of dawn heading to my att store which had a hard time confirming that it was actually going to be released sunday.
I do believe that there will be custom roms available and that for the most part they will be compatible with the various versions of the galaxy S. These samsung phones will probly be the hottest devices on the market for a while and I expect to see a good number of quality devs doing some wonderful things for these phones. Anythings possible with android hell I'm running FROYO on a old tilt

dsjr2006 said:
I'm not gonna go off of what people have heard or baseless speculation. The N1 is really starting to piss me off with its crappy RF and now that I have my iPhone 4 I'm not liking the N1 too much so I'm hoping this device is going to be much better. I can deal with not having 2.2 right away and I think this phone will sell amazingly well and there will be lots of support official or not so I'm gonna take my chances.
The reason Samsung probably didn't update their previous Android devices is because they were utter crap and anyone buying them should have seen that coming. Why buy a phone that already has last gen hardware and expect to have the latest software?
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bs. the samsung i8910 which i have was and still is great hardware.. the camera is better than the galaxy.. it also has a flash.. the gps is better than the galaxy.. the cpu is slower 600 vs 1ghz but it is great harware.. just crappy symbian o.s.

garringm said:
I personally will be up at the crack of dawn heading to my att store which had a hard time confirming that it was actually going to be released sunday.
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hehe good thing im wfh on sunday am and i live like 2 min away from the ATT COR store...i can drive by and see if there is a line...i think the iP4 is going back...

N1 is not even close to the Galaxy series I have a desire which has 64mb ram than an N1 and it still lags like a mofo. Side by side, desire rather dated seriously.
@ lgkahn Mega-pixels don't mean quality, just take a look at the '8mp' EVO CMOS camera... they're CRAP Any CMOS lens will be crap, hands down. If you want a REAL CCD camera get a real one they're sub $100

If there's a line then you shouldn't have waited. I walked in on Wednesday to a Little Rock store to see one, they offered to sell it to me right then & there but I needed to wait for my wife to make up her mind on what phone she wanted. She verified on Thursday with one of the San Antonio stores that sure, they'd sell it early so on Friday we walked in & walked out with the Captivate, no problem. Asking never hurts.

Samsung Captivate
I have the captivate... I just rooted it however there seems to be no roms out there for it yet... Also I notice that on my wife's Samsung Vibrant using Tmobile when she goes to teh Android market there are certain apps there but when i go to the android market on my captive using at&t i can't find the Mod Install location app or the apps 2 sd ap.... this is strange. anyone have any ideas

ewingr said:
I read in another forum that they thought rooting of the AT&T Captivate is unlikely, due to its difference from Galaxy S, and that AT&T would prevent that.
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I have my phone rooted, nandroided, AT&T bloatware removed, sideloading, and ready for a custom froyo ROM. Not many other phones have advanced this far, this quickly into their life cycle. I bet Captivate will be one of the first to get a Gingerbread ROM, if not from Samsung, then from the community, it certainly meets the hardware requirements. Without a locked down bootloader and an eFuse, Captivate (and all the Galaxy S siblings released thus far) are more hackable than their competition, not less.

[Q] Does anyone think it's worth it.....

to switch from a vibrant to a nexus s? It seems like it's roughly the same phone with some changes like the ffc and curved screen, but running vanilla android 2.3 should make updates come early and often.

Personally, it's going to be hard for me to decide until concrete specs for the Nexus S come out. So far I've seen two sets of specs, which would pretty much make the decision for me:
Set 1:
This is the set thats similar to the Galaxy S. Single core processor, 5MP camera, etc
Set 2:
This set is supposedly similar to the "Galaxy S 2". Dual core processor, 8MP camera, etc.
If it's a marginally different Galaxy S, I'll probably stick to my Vibrant. But if the dual-core version of the specs is correct, I think I'd probably switch.

khulsey said:
to switch from a vibrant to a nexus s? It seems like it's roughly the same phone with some changes like the ffc and curved screen, but running vanilla android 2.3 should make updates come early and often.
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For me, it really depends on two things:
1) Will the location hardware work better? I'm sick of the crummy GPS/compass on the Vibrant, and I'm certainly not going to upgrade to another phone that has the same problems.
2) Will we ever get a full-from-AOSP build for the Vibrant (e.g. Cyanogenmod)? If we can run AOSP, we don't have to wait for table scraps from Samsung before we can upgrade, and the Nexus S's software advantage is mitigated.
If the Nexus S's GPS isn't a substantial improvement, I'll skip it and live with the Vibrant until something better shows up (or, by that time, something like the MyTouch 4G will probably be running CM, so that's another option).

Ilmoran said:
Personally, it's going to be hard for me to decide until concrete specs for the Nexus S come out. So far I've seen two sets of specs, which would pretty much make the decision for me:
Set 1:
This is the set thats similar to the Galaxy S. Single core processor, 5MP camera, etc
Set 2:
This set is supposedly similar to the "Galaxy S 2". Dual core processor, 8MP camera, etc.
If it's a marginally different Galaxy S, I'll probably stick to my Vibrant. But if the dual-core version of the specs is correct, I think I'd probably switch.
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same is see it as well, probably no need to update if its basically the same phone with a front camera,
does anyone know and estimated release date? ive googled and found 11/14, obviously that didnt happen lol

JeremyNT said:
2) Will we ever get a full-from-AOSP build for the Vibrant (e.g. Cyanogenmod)? If we can run AOSP, we don't have to wait for table scraps from Samsung before we can upgrade, and the Nexus S's software advantage is mitigated.
If the Nexus S's GPS isn't a substantial improvement, I'll skip it and live with the Vibrant until something better shows up (or, by that time, something like the MyTouch 4G will probably be running CM, so that's another option).
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Just FYI - getting a full form AOSP build for the vibrant will not mitigate the software advantage. What we need are the source drivers for every version of android.
We already have AOSP for the vibrant but they're based on leaked sources. Once the 2.2 source drivers drop we'll be able to do what we want but will then have to wait for the 2.3 source drivers to drop as well. We'll always be a couple of steps behind.
Now if the source drivers for the galaxy s 2 work for our phones then it wouldn't even matter, we'd practically get updates at the same time.
MyTouch 4G is already running cyanogen mod, just a matter of time now before they release it publicly.

the nexus s looks like a fisher price toy
i'll probably stick with the vibrant as long as the devs keep cranking out these great ROMs. the good thing about the nexus s is that we might get the code more optimized for the hummingbirds. i'm never going to use a FFC camera anyway, so i'm quite content with the vibrant

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Just FYI - getting a full form AOSP build for the vibrant will not mitigate the software advantage. What we need are the source drivers for every version of android.
We already have AOSP for the vibrant but they're based on leaked sources. Once the 2.2 source drivers drop we'll be able to do what we want but will then have to wait for the 2.3 source drivers to drop as well. We'll always be a couple of steps behind.
Now if the source drivers for the galaxy s 2 work for our phones then it wouldn't even matter, we'd practically get updates at the same time.
MyTouch 4G is already running cyanogen mod, just a matter of time now before they release it publicly.
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See, I don't understand why that's the case. If we have the source code for GPS drivers in current kernels (we do, don't we?), we should be able to integrate it with later kernel source trees. It's work, and it's a bit above my pay grade, but it's not like it's impossible.
Now if all Samsung is giving us is blobs (as with RFS, which does remain a problem) that's a different matter, but that's not how I understood the situation.

JeremyNT said:
See, I don't understand why that's the case. If we have the source code for GPS drivers in current kernels (we do, don't we?), we should be able to integrate it with later kernel source trees. It's work, and it's a bit above my pay grade, but it's not like it's impossible.
Now if all Samsung is giving us is blobs (as with RFS, which does remain a problem) that's a different matter, but that's not how I understood the situation.
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You're right about having the GPS drivers in current 2.1 kernels. We don't have sources for 2.2 besides the leaked ones which are unofficial.
Then again the GPS issue is a software issue, not a driver issue.
Just hang tight and once the official source drivers get released you'll see how fast things start getting developed.
Hopefully the new nexus s will have similar drivers to ours.

Get it for the rearranged soft keys
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khulsey said:
to switch from a vibrant to a nexus s? It seems like it's roughly the same phone with some changes like the ffc and curved screen, but running vanilla android 2.3 should make updates come early and often.
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if its dual core:yes
if its single core:no

khulsey said:
to switch from a vibrant to a nexus s? It seems like it's roughly the same phone with some changes like the ffc and curved screen, but running vanilla android 2.3 should make updates come early and often.
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i'm only able to get a new phone once every 2 years. though i want to, i cant.
if it still has lag like the current galaxy s models, then definitely not, regardless of hardware

I'll buy ur vibrant and u can buy ur nexus for much cheaper
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What better than samsung vibrant?

Hey.
I am thinking of getting android phone, and samsung vibrant is on my list, but I want to know what is better than vibrant at the moment?
Any other andriod phones better than vibrant at the moment that has good features?
I cannot afford Nexus S at the moment as its very expensive without any contract.
Thanks.

You may find other phones that people claim is faster, such as g2 or mytouch 4g or something...but I have yet to see another android phone with the amazing gpu performance of the vibrant..plus, with a few tweaks, this phone is faster than lightning...
But to be fair, Samsung support for the phone isn't all the best. Don't expect timely updates and such. However, our dev community here is awesome and with it, you probably wont miss support from Samsung...
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Vibrant and Nexus S are bascily the same, a bit different.
umm... i really can't think of any other phone. Vibrant has filled my needs, but if you plan NOT to put a custom rom on it, or Root it... then... dont get the vibrant, samsung has quit on us, and the devs are the only reason this section is alive.

I dont know how to root or what roms are, etc, but I was waiting for 2.2 I heard it had good features.
So but now that 2.2 is not coming out are there any roms that can fill that gap?

awaisuk said:
I dont know how to root or what roms are, etc, but I was waiting for 2.2 I heard it had good features.
So but now that 2.2 is not coming out are there any roms that can fill that gap?
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YES.
If your looking for a 2.2, there are some awesome ROMS.
Nero, Ginger Clone, and Axura are the most popular currently.
They DO have a FEW bugs, but they're pretty small ones.
there has been a LEAKED froyo(2.2) rom, if you want a stock one, there is one.
I think you'd love a Vibrant. Before you get irritated, when you buy it, open it right there, and in front of the guy who sold it to you check if the GPS works, some new ones still don't work, and if it doesn't ask for another, and another if you have to, but be sure to make the GPS work wether you use GPS or not, you'll get annoyed later.
Also, if you don't know how to root or flash custom ROMs, there are PLENTY of EASY STEP-by-STEP tutorials to do it.

Just get the nexus S if you don't want to root. Bad side of it is it doesn't have a external storage.

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Just get the nexus S if you don't want to root. Bad side of it is it doesn't have a external storage.
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Yup no ext SD was a definite deal breaker for me. Other then that it's a very nice phone.

The mt4g is a great phone for the casual person. But i wouldnt trade my vibrant for it, Im gonna wait for the fabled galaxy s2.
Fear the beard...

I actually went ahead and pulled the trigger on getting a Nexus S today. I love my Vibrant and I'm keeping it as I've had loads of fun with it because of all the community support. Macnut R14 was and is still my rom of choice with the phone and it's very smooth and not that buggy at all - and my GPS works.
Having said that, the reason I got the NS is due to direct Google support. Considering Gingerbread is out now and Samsung has yet to deliver Froyo to 3 of the 4 GS models stateside, I finally made the decision to drive something I know is going to get timely updates. If you're not going to root get the Nexus the trade offs make it about even. If you are going to root then the Vibrant could a strong choice considering what it has over the NS. I know I'll still be here flashing roms for my Vibrant even though I have a different phone to play on now.

If I didn't mind being on Sprint, I'd say the Sprint HTC EVO is better in some respects than the Vibrant. No other phones come to mind. I also still consider the Vibrant to be the best Android powered phone on T-Mobile ATM. FYI, I don't like phones with built-in physical keyboards so I tend to immediately rule those out. The lack of both the SD card slot and gorilla glass on the screen are deal killers for me on the Nexus S when comparing it to the Vibrant. The Nexus S offers nothing I want which I don't already have (EXT4 file system) or won't get in the future (Gingerbread). Timely updates aren't worth it to me.

qreffie said:
I actually went ahead and pulled the trigger on getting a Nexus S today. I love my Vibrant and I'm keeping it as I've had loads of fun with it because of all the community support. Macnut R14 was and is still my rom of choice with the phone and it's very smooth and not that buggy at all - and my GPS works.
Having said that, the reason I got the NS is due to direct Google support. Considering Gingerbread is out now and Samsung has yet to deliver Froyo to 3 of the 4 GS models stateside, I finally made the decision to drive something I know is going to get timely updates. If you're not going to root get the Nexus the trade offs make it about even. If you are going to root then the Vibrant could a strong choice considering what it has over the NS. I know I'll still be here flashing roms for my Vibrant even though I have a different phone to play on now.
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i envy you. i wish i have the money to buy nexus S. My mom wouldn't agree because my vibrant is 4 months old.
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iynfynity said:
i envy you. i wish i have the money to buy nexus S. My mom wouldn't agree because my vibrant is 4 months old.
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Maybe a job would help.

If you can, wait it out a few more months. There are indications that the LG Optimus phone is coming to T-Mobile in early March.

reuthermonkey said:
Maybe a job would help.
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unfortunately, i can't take a job right now. it's a long story. lol
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For the price of the Vibrants right now this is the best bang for your buck stock or not. Fast processor, very customizable, 14gig storage STOCK with an external slot to increase that to only the limits of microSD cards.
My opinion is the casual user will not notice a difference in 2.1 2.2 or 2.3 aside from some cosmetics which can be imitated by many free market apps. Casual user.....
For the non casual user I will reiterate what my fellow enthusiast have already pointed out. We are blessed with some REALLY talented ROM developers that have been nothing but generous with their time and efforts.
I have never gone to a manufacturer for support on any phone I have owned. Majority of the time the communities solve the problem 1000x faster.
I would also like to point out I am not biased to this phone because I own it lol, it just happens to be the one I own currently. I for one LOVE my Vibrant. I have had a g1, my touch, every iphone and some in between.

I have only used two other android phones: the Mytouch 4G and the G2. Both are hands down a much better user/android experience than the Vibrant i now own.
The only thing that makes me think about keeping the vibrant over these other phones is that the vibrant kicks their asses when it comes to audio playback, the quality is noticeably better.
Appart from that, battery life on the vibrant is lame, the screen is big but the colors are off, withes are actually blueish. The stock software is horrible, touchwiz is a joke, seriously, so is the fact that this thing still runs 2.1.
For the more that people talk about the speed of this phone, i found it to be incredibly laggy and slow, from apps to file transfers.
Ironically the best thing about the vibrant is that it made me use my phone a lot less than the Mt4G or the G2. The G2 made me a very anti-social person.
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vibrant or nexus S
Currently have the iphone 4 from a trade I did with my nexus one. Going back to android! Stuck on which to choose the nexus S or the vibrant. Seems as if both phones are pretty much the same. Save a few hundred with the vibrant or go with the S

Thanks for all the answers, I got the Vibrant!!!!
Now, when it arrives, then need to do some reading on roms,flash,root, etc as I dont know anything about them....
To get full flash in browser, and to get GPS to work fully (if it does not work, hopefully it will) what ROM is the best to flash? And by flashing that rom, will I lose any of the stock rom features?
Because my vibrant will have stock 2.1

cthulion said:
Ironically the best thing about the vibrant is that it made me use my phone a lot less than the Mt4G or the G2. The G2 made me a very anti-social person.
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I said the same thing to the T-Mobile Reps. a couple months ago The phone has actually changed the way I use smartphones. Before I was always tethered to my smartphone, now I have to make sure I don't forget to pick it up when I go or leave some place. I don't really use it that much. It's just not fun. I tend to carry my notebook with me, now, and of course my ZuneHD
I think my next phone will almost certainly have a full QWERTY slide-out. Swipes way of automatically adding typos to the dictionary is annoying. I spent like an hour last night just removing typos that kept registering as words when trying to send texts and stuff.

My thought is that the Vibrant is the best media device on the market right now. Great codec support, best screen, excellent storage.
I've considered buying the Nexus S to use as a phone and to keep the Vibrant like it's an iPod Touch, just a movie/music/game device.

[Q] Should I get the Epic 4G?

I'm still in the market for a new phone, and had my heart set on the Epic from the start. However, when I started delving deeper into the different phones, I started feeling apprehensive toward the Epic.
Why I want it:
Video/picture quality seems better than the other phones I was looking at
5row QWERTY
Non-smudgy back plate
Good stock SD card
Super AMOLED
Why I'm apprehensive toward it:
It's running 2.1 and people think Samsung is abandoning the phone
Ideally, I wanted a 4 or 4.3in display
To get 2.2 and faster speeds, I'd have to use a ROM -- I have no idea how to do it, and I also don't like the themes most of the community ROMs have.
The other phones I was interested in were the EVO 4g, the Nexus S, the Droid X, and maybe another Galaxy S phone.
So, my question to the Epic 4g community: How do you like the phone? Have you tried any of the other phones I've listed? Am I going to get shafted by Samsung and never get a 2.2 update, or is it just as easy to flash the leaked 2.2?

I lovemy epic. Greatest phone I've had. It does everything I want. I got the epic to future proof myself.
Itsvery easy to flash the leaked froyo. You don't even gotta be rooted! Also, theleaked froyo is bascally a release candidate, being almost complete but still lacking little things like bluetooth audio out.
If those are the phones on our short list, get the epic. When samsung finally releases official final froyo,those phones will have nothing on the epic.
If you can't wait for froyo, then a5least get a new dualcore phone so you can be sure you won't be left behind
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Agreed. The epic is absolutely fantastic. Even on 2.1 it's vastly better than the evo, which my girlfriend has. The nexus s however looks great and if that was on sprint it'd be a toss up for me. Don't listen to all the nay saying going on right now. Samsung easily had the best camera, screens and processor combo available for the current gen. Once you go oled it'd be hard to go back. I just recently flashed the new trulyepic 1.2 rom and imo, that's the way to go right now if want froyo. Runs fantastic.
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Well the first question I'd have for you is what carrier are you looking at? Because you just listed a bunch of phones in the OP that are on different carriers. As far as the Epic is concerned, I love it ... it has a LOT of issues, including Samsung's Froyo delay that you mentioned, but it's still one of the fastest phones out there (with a kick ass GPU mind you). Again, it depends on what you need. If you don't need QWERTY, then you might want to look at the Evo as that is one of the best supported phones on the market (in terms of the dev community).

NecroNetics said:
I'm still in the market for a new phone, and had my heart set on the Epic from the start. However, when I started delving deeper into the different phones, I started feeling apprehensive toward the Epic.
Why I want it:
Video/picture quality seems better than the other phones I was looking at
5row QWERTY
Non-smudgy back plate
Good stock SD card
Super AMOLED
Why I'm apprehensive toward it:
It's running 2.1 and people think Samsung is abandoning the phone
Ideally, I wanted a 4 or 4.3in display
To get 2.2 and faster speeds, I'd have to use a ROM -- I have no idea how to do it, and I also don't like the themes most of the community ROMs have.
The other phones I was interested in were the EVO 4g, the Nexus S, the Droid X, and maybe another Galaxy S phone.
So, my question to the Epic 4g community: How do you like the phone? Have you tried any of the other phones I've listed? Am I going to get shafted by Samsung and never get a 2.2 update, or is it just as easy to flash the leaked 2.2?
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the keyboard is convenient but i dont like it. my roommate has a g2 and it feels alot better..
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4 inch is fine. 2.2 might be out soon but the roms out leave very little to be desired anyway... then again u cant really go wrong with any of the phones on your list haha.

Thanks for the replies, guys.
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Well the first question I'd have for you is what carrier are you looking at? Because you just listed a bunch of phones in the OP that are on different carriers. As far as the Epic is concerned, I love it ... it has a LOT of issues, including Samsung's Froyo delay that you mentioned, but it's still one of the fastest phones out there (with a kick ass GPU mind you). Again, it depends on what you need. If you don't need QWERTY, then you might want to look at the Evo as that is one of the best supported phones on the market (in terms of the dev community).
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The carrier isn't important to me. It relies solely on the phone -- although, I think Sprint has one of the cheapest plans.

If trade my epic for a nexus s any day... The screen on both if my epics became loose after weeks and I harshly use the keyboard anyway
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I guess it really depends on what you are coming from. I was a die hard blackberry user.... *throws up a bit* came directly to and specifically waited for the epic after seeing several inferior android phones but knew it was where I wanted to settle once I was able to dig deeper helping a few friends mod.
Point being if it will be the first phone of this caliber, I think you will love the epic and there is no reason not to in most cases as the phone is blazing, couple it with some of the mods from the devs here.... it will be sweet. That being said, the same would likely apply to most of the other phones in your list.
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Only if you want a keyboard. I think that's all the Epic has over the Evo at this point. Yes it's faster, yes the screen is better, but.. Samsung support is terrible, while 2.1 runs fine and there are 2.2 leaks its still a sorry state to be in for a "flagship" phone.
IF you're interested in Roms.. go with an HTC. While the Evo is running a 98% functional CM7 and MIUI, and (Insert popular rom name here), the Epic's (while the developers are all awesome! This is NOT a knock) are more or less just customizations and ported applications with a breakthrough here and there such as EXT4.
Samsung is absolutely ridiculous "#neveragain". The keyboard skips letters, the GPS is moody and only works when it wants to, updates are pretty much MIA. Yes the epic is a little bit faster, with a more colorful screen, but at what cost.
Thanks to the Skippy keyboard I've become a professional on the onscreen keyboards and am highly considering a Evo off of Ebay while I can still sell the Epic for more. Maybe that gives you an idea of what it's like to own a Samsung.
</endrant> All rants aside... it's not a bad phone by any stretch of the imagination. Samsung is just better at products that don't need much support after release... like TV's...

The epic (galaxy s phone) has the best diplay and fastest GPU on the market as of posting this.
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Captivate gets Gingerbread. Vibrant now only Galaxy S without it.

I may be wrong but I think this officially means Vibrant is the only Galaxy S on a major carrier without Gingerbread. Thank you T-Mobile or Samsung, whichever one of you is responsible for leaving us behind.
Captivate updated to Gingerbread via Kies Mini, not At&t OTA. Leading me to think Samsung is responsible for not updating Vibrant not T-Mobile, but who knows.
I guess people can still use custom Gingerbread/Ice Cream Sandwhich roms, but then we know you put your life at risk with no 911 and half ass GPS.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/01/10/atts-samsung-captivate-finally-gets-updated-to-gingerbread/
Come on Samsung give us a Kies Mini Gingerbread update!

Samsung already announced this -> http://androidandme.com/2012/01/dev...updated-to-android-4-value-pack-or-otherwise/
Manufacturers are generally responsible for Android updates to their devices, then through the carrier to the end customer. Here is an excellent article about it->
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/12/only-android-compatible/

And you expected a different outcome? As much as I liked the Vibrant except for the suck GPS, I gave up on it and imported a Galaxy Nexus back when it launched. I will never.....ever....get suckered into another phone that has the Tmobile name stamped on it. And to think they just announced the Blaze 4G.....why? So they can screw the remaining customers with a Galaxy S 4G out of support?

sabooher said:
And you expected a different outcome? As much as I liked the Vibrant except for the suck GPS, I gave up on it and imported a Galaxy Nexus back when it launched. I will never.....ever....get suckered into another phone that has the Tmobile name stamped on it. And to think they just announced the Blaze 4G.....why? So they can screw the remaining customers with a Galaxy S 4G out of support?
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Harsh words my friend but very true.
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Vibrant probably won't ever get it unfortunately, though nothing stock on the vibrant was ever good.

God, all you guys do is *****. Go flash ics or an i9000 gb port. They're perfectly stable with great battery life. It's better than being stuck on froyo.
You're in xda. If you wanna complain about not getting an update, go do it in the T-Mobile forums.
Think of it this way: At least you didn't but a crappy htc phone.
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Vibrant has been fine for me. I have CM7 nightly 182 (the last one )
Yeah, no GPS, but whatever. I'm now just waiting on an ICS build that fixes the mute/unmute issue to flash.
Samsung really dropped the ball on this phone, but it didn't stop me from making the best of it. When a "must have" quad core comes out, I'm upgrading. Until then, I'm happy with what I got.

I agree with Thechosenone, ICS Passion v11 works beautifully on my Vibrant. If you do not want to unlock your phone's true potential what are you doing in XDA? That is the whole reason this site exists, so devs can perfect their ROMS by getting user feedback and such.... Go ***** on the T mo forums please!

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I agree with Thechosenone, ICS Passion v11 works beautifully on my Vibrant. If you do not want to unlock your phone's true potential what are you doing in XDA? That is the whole reason this site exists, so devs can perfect their ROMS by getting user feedback and such.... Go ***** on the T mo forums please!
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Well Passion may work really, really well but imagine what it could do with the actual code from the actual ICS ROM? Think there would be the mute/unmute bug, or the Deep Sleep issues, or the GPS (aside from hardware problems) issues? This thread is about GB and not ICS but you brought it up.
XDA is for developers, not people like you and me. We are nothing more that by-products. Now if those developers really want to create something special, how do they do it. By getting the source of course (github ring a bell).
Complaining here about GB or ICS is futile b/c we are not going to get either. We can try (see my signature) but until the give us the code, there will be unresolved issues. Take a look at the 2.2 ROMs. How many of those have problems. Very few my friend. Now take a look at any 2.3 ROM. Every single one of them has battery issues and/or memory leaks. Why do you think that is? Because we got an "official" Froyo to build off of and have yet to see ann "offical" GB (not a port mind you).

The vibrant is considered discontinued. It doesn't make sense for Tmobile to support it any longer. Plus, all those people that chose to switch to the memory gimped gs4g didn't help the situation any. Just think of it this way: anyone who got the vibrant will be eligible for an upgrade right around the time the gs3 will be released. Hopefully it comes with an exynos processor this time.
As far as source code is concerned, at least we have hardware that is very close to the international version.
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I agree with Thechosenone, ICS Passion v11 works beautifully on my Vibrant. If you do not want to unlock your phone's true potential what are you doing in XDA? That is the whole reason this site exists, so devs can perfect their ROMS by getting user feedback and such.... Go ***** on the T mo forums please!
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Do you have the mute/unmute issue? I didn't know if it was for every Vibrant or certain ones. For my work, I can't be muting and unmuting every incoming call ... Thanks in advance!

It doesn't matter anyway. All of the new phones are incremental upgrades at best. If you think about the price/functionality ratio, the vibrant is still the best bet for those who already own it. I can't justify $680 (Nexus) for a phone that can't do anything that my phone does already, just because it's updated more frequently.
I would love to have that screen, but if I just hold out and actually own my Vibrant for 2 years (July 2012), I'm sure I'll have access to Samsung's Quad-Core, which will probably be much better than Tegra 3. Plus the HD screen will probably be upgraded to Plus. Not to mention the GPU itself will be immaculate for all the phone gamers out there.
As far as ICS, there is a viable option on the Vibrant and it will continue to improve. As for me, I always end up going back to Bionix V anyway (the battery life/performance perfect balance)

I will aways be sad about the lack of official post froyo rom for such a great phone as the Vibrant is. We, xda users, wouldn't use a full Samsung GB or ICS rom, but just the officially ported GPS drivers would be a huge benefit. Sometimes I think that this is THE reason for no updates from Samsung: even they cant make it properly work in GB. And it just makes me admire even more the very talented devs here that make it work without docs.

Agreeing with others here: waiting for the unmute issue to be fixed then I'm jumping ship with my significant other's Vibrant. These ROMs are better than what Samsung/carriers release in my opinion.
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After switching back to Bionix 1.3.1 ROM (FishmanMod) from Gingerbread exported ROMs, I am still happy and can live with Vibrant, and after playing around with GS2 or newer android phones, feel no point on upgrading, Vibrant still works great