to switch from a vibrant to a nexus s? It seems like it's roughly the same phone with some changes like the ffc and curved screen, but running vanilla android 2.3 should make updates come early and often.
Personally, it's going to be hard for me to decide until concrete specs for the Nexus S come out. So far I've seen two sets of specs, which would pretty much make the decision for me:
Set 1:
This is the set thats similar to the Galaxy S. Single core processor, 5MP camera, etc
Set 2:
This set is supposedly similar to the "Galaxy S 2". Dual core processor, 8MP camera, etc.
If it's a marginally different Galaxy S, I'll probably stick to my Vibrant. But if the dual-core version of the specs is correct, I think I'd probably switch.
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to switch from a vibrant to a nexus s? It seems like it's roughly the same phone with some changes like the ffc and curved screen, but running vanilla android 2.3 should make updates come early and often.
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For me, it really depends on two things:
1) Will the location hardware work better? I'm sick of the crummy GPS/compass on the Vibrant, and I'm certainly not going to upgrade to another phone that has the same problems.
2) Will we ever get a full-from-AOSP build for the Vibrant (e.g. Cyanogenmod)? If we can run AOSP, we don't have to wait for table scraps from Samsung before we can upgrade, and the Nexus S's software advantage is mitigated.
If the Nexus S's GPS isn't a substantial improvement, I'll skip it and live with the Vibrant until something better shows up (or, by that time, something like the MyTouch 4G will probably be running CM, so that's another option).
Ilmoran said:
Personally, it's going to be hard for me to decide until concrete specs for the Nexus S come out. So far I've seen two sets of specs, which would pretty much make the decision for me:
Set 1:
This is the set thats similar to the Galaxy S. Single core processor, 5MP camera, etc
Set 2:
This set is supposedly similar to the "Galaxy S 2". Dual core processor, 8MP camera, etc.
If it's a marginally different Galaxy S, I'll probably stick to my Vibrant. But if the dual-core version of the specs is correct, I think I'd probably switch.
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same is see it as well, probably no need to update if its basically the same phone with a front camera,
does anyone know and estimated release date? ive googled and found 11/14, obviously that didnt happen lol
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2) Will we ever get a full-from-AOSP build for the Vibrant (e.g. Cyanogenmod)? If we can run AOSP, we don't have to wait for table scraps from Samsung before we can upgrade, and the Nexus S's software advantage is mitigated.
If the Nexus S's GPS isn't a substantial improvement, I'll skip it and live with the Vibrant until something better shows up (or, by that time, something like the MyTouch 4G will probably be running CM, so that's another option).
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Just FYI - getting a full form AOSP build for the vibrant will not mitigate the software advantage. What we need are the source drivers for every version of android.
We already have AOSP for the vibrant but they're based on leaked sources. Once the 2.2 source drivers drop we'll be able to do what we want but will then have to wait for the 2.3 source drivers to drop as well. We'll always be a couple of steps behind.
Now if the source drivers for the galaxy s 2 work for our phones then it wouldn't even matter, we'd practically get updates at the same time.
MyTouch 4G is already running cyanogen mod, just a matter of time now before they release it publicly.
the nexus s looks like a fisher price toy
i'll probably stick with the vibrant as long as the devs keep cranking out these great ROMs. the good thing about the nexus s is that we might get the code more optimized for the hummingbirds. i'm never going to use a FFC camera anyway, so i'm quite content with the vibrant
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Just FYI - getting a full form AOSP build for the vibrant will not mitigate the software advantage. What we need are the source drivers for every version of android.
We already have AOSP for the vibrant but they're based on leaked sources. Once the 2.2 source drivers drop we'll be able to do what we want but will then have to wait for the 2.3 source drivers to drop as well. We'll always be a couple of steps behind.
Now if the source drivers for the galaxy s 2 work for our phones then it wouldn't even matter, we'd practically get updates at the same time.
MyTouch 4G is already running cyanogen mod, just a matter of time now before they release it publicly.
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See, I don't understand why that's the case. If we have the source code for GPS drivers in current kernels (we do, don't we?), we should be able to integrate it with later kernel source trees. It's work, and it's a bit above my pay grade, but it's not like it's impossible.
Now if all Samsung is giving us is blobs (as with RFS, which does remain a problem) that's a different matter, but that's not how I understood the situation.
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See, I don't understand why that's the case. If we have the source code for GPS drivers in current kernels (we do, don't we?), we should be able to integrate it with later kernel source trees. It's work, and it's a bit above my pay grade, but it's not like it's impossible.
Now if all Samsung is giving us is blobs (as with RFS, which does remain a problem) that's a different matter, but that's not how I understood the situation.
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You're right about having the GPS drivers in current 2.1 kernels. We don't have sources for 2.2 besides the leaked ones which are unofficial.
Then again the GPS issue is a software issue, not a driver issue.
Just hang tight and once the official source drivers get released you'll see how fast things start getting developed.
Hopefully the new nexus s will have similar drivers to ours.
Get it for the rearranged soft keys
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to switch from a vibrant to a nexus s? It seems like it's roughly the same phone with some changes like the ffc and curved screen, but running vanilla android 2.3 should make updates come early and often.
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if its dual core:yes
if its single core:no
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to switch from a vibrant to a nexus s? It seems like it's roughly the same phone with some changes like the ffc and curved screen, but running vanilla android 2.3 should make updates come early and often.
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i'm only able to get a new phone once every 2 years. though i want to, i cant.
if it still has lag like the current galaxy s models, then definitely not, regardless of hardware
I'll buy ur vibrant and u can buy ur nexus for much cheaper
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I was thinking. About getting the new T-Mobile g2 when it comes out. Is it worth it to switch. I read that the new processor is even better the samsungs. Do you think. Its worth it?
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Unless you want a keyboard, of course not.
It's 99% the same phone, but with a keyboard.
I would wait until Q1 of 2011 when the dual-core 1.2ghz phones come out. Or at least that is what I am doing.
I know there are alot of similarities but i keep hearing that the phone has better battery a faster processor, and faster speeds in HSPA+ also witha keyboard. since I mainly use it for texting i find it hard to find a reason especialy since sliders are rare in android unless your on Verizon.(Tmobile) to not get it aside form the fact that in 3-4 months there will be alot of better dual core phones.
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I would wait until Q1 of 2011 when the dual-core 1.2ghz phones come out. Or at least that is what I am doing.
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I highly doubt dual cores will be out that quick. It would be nice tho
Paul: its actually a very different phone, scorpion processor with adreno 205, big improvement on snapdragon
Rellikzephyr
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I'd switch in a heartbeat if I had a job to pay for it, if the device is as open as our beloved N1, and if the 3G was triband. We didn't read the final spec sheet but IIRC the 3G is only dual-band, making it impossible for us Europeans to roam to the USA.
That's pretty sad for such an awesome HSPA+ phone. But maybe the spec sheet I found is wrong and the radio actually IS triband!
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I'd switch in a heartbeat if I had a job to pay for it, if the device is as open as our beloved N1, and if the 3G was triband. We didn't read the final spec sheet but IIRC the 3G is only dual-band, making it impossible for us Europeans to roam to the USA.
That's pretty sad for such an awesome HSPA+ phone. But maybe the spec sheet I found is wrong and the radio actually IS triband!
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more importantly, it doesn't have vanilla android because you get some seperate preinstalled apps like swype. So you won't get Android updates as early as Nexus One Users with stock android. This is a KO criteria for me. I want to get the updates first, as soon as google rolls them out, and not wait for tmobile to release them.
Why is it that vanilla Android cannot be installed on a TMo phone?
I'm getting one. Sexy phone. To me, at least.
The phone is not that close to a nexus, the g 2 will run much faster than the nexus with second gen chipset and supports faster speeds, better battery life, keyboard and handles flash better its def a decent upgrade and its sexy
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I would wait until Q1 of 2011 when the dual-core 1.2ghz phones come out. Or at least that is what I am doing.
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Agreed. The specs are too close to the N1 to try to ride out for a year(I know I can't go two years with the same phone so I try to get something that won't leave me mad for more than 6 months as new hardware comes out.) 5mp camera? No sale. I'm waiting for a dual core, higher megapixels, HD out, 720p video and a coupon for a half-price on a hooker.
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I highly doubt dual cores will be out that quick. It would be nice tho
Paul: its actually a very different phone, scorpion processor with adreno 205, big improvement on snapdragon
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Mytouch HD is coming out this year and has dual snapdragon processors.
I want to see some benchmarks and reviews before getting the G2. The N1 is still a great phone.
I will be waiting for something that has specs like the rumored HD7.. dual core 1.2g processors and 4.3-4.5 inch screen and 1g of ram. When i see this I will make the switch
I would wait for reviews before upgrading. At least that's what I'm going to do.
I may hold out until after the myTouch HD comes out. Because I'm wondering how many other dual core will follow for TMobile. I'm thinking TMobile may not see any other nicer higher end phones than the G2 and myT HD until Fall of 2011.
Shahpur.Azizpour said:
more importantly, it doesn't have vanilla android because you get some seperate preinstalled apps like swype. So you won't get Android updates as early as Nexus One Users with stock android. This is a KO criteria for me. I want to get the updates first, as soon as google rolls them out, and not wait for tmobile to release them.
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Preinstalled Apps, such as Swype, run on top of Vanilla Android. There is a very small modification that we make to the framework to make Swype work properly, but this is not nearly the same as complete frameworks like TouchWiz or SenseUI. Those types of frameworks need to be heavily modified to maintain compatibility with each release. In many ways, it is the driver support that holds back rapid rollouts for different phones, Vanilla Android or not. If the kernel is a new version, those drivers need to be recompiled and perhaps rewritten, and those come from the OEMs and their suppliers.
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Why is it that vanilla Android cannot be installed on a TMo phone?
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What are you talking about?
G1, MyTouch 3G, MyTouch Slide, Nexus One, and HD2(these are the only ones off the top of my head) all have vanilla ported onto them.
The Nexus one, Mytouch 3g, and g1 have always had vanilla android.
Godammit, this is why I'm asking. If Cyanogenmod can be installed on these other phones, why is there so much crowing about how the N1 is special? WTF is it that makes the N1 better than the others, from a software perspective? This is what I am trying to find out, but nobody seems to actually know, in their conscious mind anyway.
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, this is why I'm asking. If Cyanogenmod can be installed on these other phones, why is there so much crowing about how the N1 is special? WTF is it that makes the N1 better than the others, from a software perspective? This is what I am trying to find out, but nobody seems to actually know, in their conscious mind anyway.
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if you'll notice, the majority of folks are not crowing about the nexus from a software perspective, or any android based phone for that matter... the big deal is (ok WAS) the hardware.
each time a new android based phone is released, people don't get excited about android version 2.x.x.x, they want the HARDWARE because in most cases if it ships android, it can run any version android. the hardware makes a huge difference.
see ?
I recently read an article on the g2 where the hacking community has fully unlocked the g2 similar to what has been done to the g1 and nexus 1.
http://www.androidcentral.com/all-t-...-gets-defeated
My question is, why have the g2, g1 and nexus 1 been fully unlocked and other android phones such as the desire, evo, etc and phones like the samsung vibrant/galaxy s haven't? What makes the g1/2, nexus 1 different? Looking at it from a purely superficial vantage point, I can see that
g1,g2, nexus 1 all have:
Close to stock ROM
All are made by HTC
Qualcomm processors
T mobile network
I doubt any of these similarities have anything to do with it being fully unlocked as HTC makes several android phones such as the evo with qualcomm processors. The vibrant is on the T mobile network which is not fully unlocked. That just leaves being close to Stock ROM. Can anyone give me a quick/brief answer on why these phones have been unlocked so quickly?
I ask this because my next phone will be a native android phone and I want to be able to manipulate my phone similar to what you can do with a nexus 1.
I would guess developer support.
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I recently read an article on the g2 where the hacking community has fully unlocked the g2 similar to what has been done to the g1 and nexus 1.
http://www.androidcentral.com/all-t-...-gets-defeated
My question is, why have the g2, g1 and nexus 1 been fully unlocked and other android phones such as the desire, evo, etc and phones like the samsung vibrant/galaxy s haven't? What makes the g1/2, nexus 1 different? Looking at it from a purely superficial vantage point, I can see that
g1,g2, nexus 1 all have:
Close to stock ROM
All are made by HTC
Qualcomm processors
T mobile network
I doubt any of these similarities have anything to do with it being fully unlocked as HTC makes several android phones such as the evo with qualcomm processors. The vibrant is on the T mobile network which is not fully unlocked. That just leaves being close to Stock ROM. Can anyone give me a quick/brief answer on why these phones have been unlocked so quickly?
I ask this because my next phone will be a native android phone and I want to be able to manipulate my phone similar to what you can do with a nexus 1.
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first off i think it has to do with it being closely related to the nexus one, N1 being the benchmark developer phone. secondly, its a vanilla android handset, son to the godfather of android the G1, what other phone would you have fully unlocked? lastly, its probably due to the fact that it is by far, the best performing phone on the market ATM, with the semi stable 1.8 OC kernel and completely solid 1.5 oc kernel coupled with CM6.1. id also imagine that cyanogen has a little bit of say in it as he really pushed dev of CM6.1 to the g2 because of the hardware.
What exactly do you mean by fully unlocked? Vibrant is fully unlocked as well, AFAIK. Also, Desire HD, Desire Z & MT4G have the same protection as the G2. I'm sure they'll also be fully unlocked, just a matter of time, now that G2 is "fully unlocked".
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first off i think it has to do with it being closely related to the nexus one, N1 being the benchmark developer phone. secondly, its a vanilla android handset, son to the godfather of android the G1, what other phone would you have fully unlocked? lastly, its probably due to the fact that it is by far, the best performing phone on the market ATM, with the semi stable 1.8 OC kernel and completely solid 1.5 oc kernel coupled with CM6.1. id also imagine that cyanogen has a little bit of say in it as he really pushed dev of CM6.1 to the g2 because of the hardware.
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So how about a phone like the nexus s. That will be a vanilla android phone and is rumored to be one of the most powerful, but it will be immensely different than the nexus one as ther are using different parts because they are made by a different manufacturer
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So how about a phone like the nexus s. That will be a vanilla android phone and is rumored to be one of the most powerful, but it will be immensely different than the nexus one as ther are using different parts because they are made by a different manufacturer
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the nexus s is supposedly gonna be the new dev phone, in which case, im sure that equally as much work will be put into hardware unlocking it as was put into the g1/n1/g2, but by more than likely different people familiar with samsung hardware, IE ppl that work on deving kernels and roms for the galaxy s phones.
theres really no way to tell as the nexus s isnt out yet... there isnt even a solid spec list for it.
So the real reason I ask this is I want to know which phones will be the most customizable and what will be updated quickest. a heuristic would be to stick close to stock phones and developer phones?
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So the real reason I ask this is I want to know which phones will be the most customizable and what will be updated quickest. a heuristic would be to stick close to stock phones and developer phones?
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exactly... updated the quickest are going to be the N1... only to be surpassed by the Nexus S when it finally comes out. Due to cyanogens dedicated team of devs, you can be sure that his releases will incorporate the latest updates mere weeks after they are officially released. RIGHT NOW, i rate phones G2 then N1 due to the physical keyboard. once the nexus s hits the market theres no telling what will happen... that order might change, but it might not (if the NS flops)
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exactly... updated the quickest are going to be the N1... only to be surpassed by the Nexus S when it finally comes out. Due to cyanogens dedicated team of devs, you can be sure that his releases will incorporate the latest updates mere weeks after they are officially released. RIGHT NOW, i rate phones G2 then N1 due to the physical keyboard. once the nexus s hits the market theres no telling what will happen... that order might change, but it might not (if the NS flops)
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Cool. Thanks
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exactly... updated the quickest are going to be the N1... only to be surpassed by the Nexus S when it finally comes out. Due to cyanogens dedicated team of devs, you can be sure that his releases will incorporate the latest updates mere weeks after they are officially released. RIGHT NOW, i rate phones G2 then N1 due to the physical keyboard. once the nexus s hits the market theres no telling what will happen... that order might change, but it might not (if the NS flops)
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The Nexus S only has its name to go on. Being a Samsung, makes me think it will not do that well. I will give Samsung credit for making great LCDs and the Hummingbird processor isnt bad either but the housing and Samsung software will not help things. It wont do as well as the HTC Nexus, imo. But rumors of a dual core processor included in this unit might give it an edge it needs. Why Google went with Samsung is beyond my understanding, still...
Another thing... I dont think the G2 was unlocked quickly at all. it took alot of time and effort. the only phones that remain to be unlocked are motorolas. they seem to just have things locked up more tightly than even the dreaded HTC NAND lock...
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The Nexus S only has its name to go on. Being a Samsung, makes me think it will not do that well. I will give Samsung credit for making great LCDs and the Hummingbird processor isnt bad either but the housing and Samsung software will not help things. It wont do as well as the HTC Nexus, imo. But rumors of a dual core processor included in this unit might give it an edge it needs. Why Google went with Samsung is beyond my understanding, still...
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i agree about how much of a completely WRONG decision it was to go with samsung for the next nexus... doesnt matter to me how fast or nice or current the phone is, i WILL NOT be purchasing one, mainly due to the shoddy build quality of the phones. i handle alot of samsung phones on a daily basis and the plastic housing is total garbage... gotta correct you though, the nexus s will be a vanilla gingy handset, so no crappy, bogged down, bloated to **** samsung software.
id rather flush my monies down the toilet than give it to samsung for an android phone(or just keep it in my pocket).
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The Nexus S only has its name to go on. Being a Samsung, makes me think it will not do that well. I will give Samsung credit for making great LCDs and the Hummingbird processor isnt bad either but the housing and Samsung software will not help things. It wont do as well as the HTC Nexus, imo. But rumors of a dual core processor included in this unit might give it an edge it needs. Why Google went with Samsung is beyond my understanding, still...
Another thing... I dont think the G2 was unlocked quickly at all. it took alot of time and effort. the only phones that remain to be unlocked are motorolas. they seem to just have things locked up more tightly than even the dreaded HTC NAND lock...
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When I used the term unlocked, I mean hardware unlocked with the Radio-S OFF. According to the article on android central, this goes beyond just flashing ROMs. I am not aware of any of the non htc android phones that have been unlocked as far these htc ones.
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+1
Superfrag said:
What exactly do you mean by fully unlocked? Vibrant is fully unlocked as well, AFAIK. Also, Desire HD, Desire Z & MT4G have the same protection as the G2. I'm sure they'll also be fully unlocked, just a matter of time, now that G2 is "fully unlocked".
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As far as I'm aware the Vibrant doesn't have radio S-OFF, which the G2/DZ do.
The degree of breaking in is directly related to the degree of effort that THEY put in to LOCKING YOU OUT.
DREAM and GN1 came in a configuration INTENTIONALLY trivial to work with (at least in the case of ADP1), and wasn't all that difficult to clone ADP1 to the locked out units sold by tmobile.
As a result, there wasn't much NEED to work on them in order to break in further. They were good enough, and good enough was... good enough.
With Vision though, the problem is that you couldn't do ANYTHING without significantly interfering with it, including CARRIER UNLOCK, which wouldn't just FAIL, but actually BREAK the thing.
And so THESE two things were focused on.... and once one was defeated (write protect disabled)... well I'm not going to say that it was EASY from there, but one thing naturally led to the next and all the pieces fell into place.... here you go, OWNED!
jas0nw0ng said:
from a purely superficial vantage point, I can see that
g1,g2, nexus 1 all have:
Close to stock ROM
All are made by HTC
Qualcomm processors
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Dream and GN1 are far more similar to each other than either is to Vision. The big difference is the use of NAND vs eMMC for storage. eMMC is a much more sophisticated storage system that has kind of has a mind of its own... so not only do you have to hack the phone, you have to hack the storage as well.
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You mean GSM? Because NONE of these phones have any particular ties to any particular service provider.. In fact, GN1 was NEVER EVEN SOLD BY TMOBILE AT ALL!!!
Not that this is in ANY way even REMOTELY relevant.
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What exactly do you mean by fully unlocked? Vibrant is fully unlocked as well, AFAIK.
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Nope.
Also, Desire HD, Desire Z & MT4G have the same protection as the G2. I'm sure they'll also be fully unlocked, just a matter of time, now that G2 is "fully unlocked".
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Virtually identical, and no, it is NOT a matter of time, they ARE, and WERE the moment the VISION was.
I doubt it has anything to do with tmobile as dhkr123 said, they probably just build the most recent batch of phones (desire hd/z g2 etc) with the same security measures so once one was freed, they all were! I don't think they were made this easy to root on purpose, just happened that way! I'm sure htc doesn't mind so much, means more sales in the long run, and perhaps a few extra bricked phones they have to replace... A bit off topic, but MS's kinect got "hacked" recently and they sales jumped when people saw 3d videos etc being made, and then MS had a press release basically saying they were hoping people would plug it into their pc's and develop, it's all on engadget somewhere
The nexus 1 & nexus s are unlocked. You just have to use adb with unlock command. Thats why the n1 was unlocked so fast. I dont get why you guys bash Samsung phones so much. They have the best hardware and there build quality is 100x better then htc. Thats why Google went with Samsung. I have never read a thread in any of the galaxy s forums about poor build quality. HTC cant even get a screen to stick in place let alone build a phone thats competitive. They finally have a competitive cpu (if its overclocked to 1.9 ghz) and everyone else is releasing duel core cpus. You wont see a HTC with a duel core snapdragon till late 2011 and it still wont benchmark higher then Samsung orion duel core cpu with quad core gpu that will be released q4 2010 or q1 2011. The only bad thing about Samsung is there software but the nexus s will be stock android so its a win win.
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The nexus 1 & nexus s are unlocked. You just have to use adb with unlock command. Thats why the n1 was unlocked so fast. I dont get why you guys bash Samsung phones so much. They have the best hardware and there build quality is 100x better then htc. Thats why Google went with Samsung. I have never read a thread in any of the galaxy s forums about poor build quality. HTC cant even get a screen to stick in place let alone build a phone thats competitive. They finally have a competitive cpu (if its overclocked to 1.9 ghz) and everyone else is releasing duel core cpus. You wont see a HTC with a duel core snapdragon till late 2011 and it still wont benchmark higher then Samsung orion duel core cpu with quad core gpu that will be released q4 2010 or q1 2011. The only bad thing about Samsung is there software but the nexus s will be stock android so its a win win.
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neither the g1, nexus 1, nor will the nexus s be radio s-off.
not even the android development phones have unlocked radios. radio s-off != hboot s-off != subsidy unlock.
fyi, the 800mhz snapdragon outperforms the 1ghz hummingbird in samsungs in all but direct gpu performance, and superlcd vastly outperforms amoled in terms of color fidelity and pixel density.
I still think vibrant is better than nexus s besides 2.3!!
still the same 16gb, no sd card, no 720p, nfc is just a receiver only (i read somewhere)
http://androidapproved.com/item/nexus-s-vs-galaxy-s-vs-nexus-one/
me keeping my vibrant
I know everyone is going to beat this topic to death. Is there any reason to grab the nexus if you have a vibrant. Is there anything besides the FFC.
As long as there are drivers available for the BT/WIFI/GPS, there is no need to get the Nexus S if you have a Vibrant. The rom will be ported to us anyway.
intruda119 said:
I know everyone is going to beat this topic to death. Is there any reason to grab the nexus if you have a vibrant. Is there anything besides the FFC.
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there is flash. there is 2.3 and there will be future updates as well. i also think it looks much better then Vibrant.
richiehd said:
As long as there are drivers available for the BT/WIFI/GPS, there is no need to get the Nexus S if you have a Vibrant. The rom will be ported to us anyway.
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the question is when ? It took a long time and very buggy releases from Galaxy S Froyo until finally Vibrant leaks started to come out. When do you think they will leak 2.3......even 2.2 is not out yet.....
so porting from Nexus S might not be as easy as it looks......
kolyan said:
there is flash. there is 2.3 and there will be future updates as well. i also think it looks much better then Vibrant.
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I agree with the Nexus does look better then the vibrants iphone look. Dont we have flash on vibrant or am I missing something. And soon as the Chefs around here get a smell of 2.3 it wont be long until its on vibrant.
Is the cpu any faster? Adding ffc mod to Vibrant makes it a Nexus right?
Camera flash..i think he means.
intruda119 said:
I agree with the Nexus does look better then the vibrants iphone look. Dont we have flash on vibrant or am I missing something. And soon as the Chefs around here get a smell of 2.3 it wont be long until its on vibrant.
Is the cpu any faster? Adding ffc mod to Vibrant makes it a Nexus right?
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Camera flash we dont have. 2.1 also does not have Adobe Flash, only 2.2. They also added NFC which is useless to most, SAMOLED class is curved (which i think is cool), FFC is there, 3.0 bluetooth was taken out and replaced with 2.1....no biggy here. Everything else is the same.
Onces I play with it in store, i will know for sure if i want it. I hate how Vibrant feels in hand, if Nexus S is the same, then no go.....
The point of the Nexus S is that it a bare bones Android phone. Meaning there is little in the way of Samsung and T-mobile, or other carriers. This means ideally that as soon as Google releases an update it should be realitively quick to get it to Nexus S. As opposed to the Vibrant that we are still waiting on amn official release. My understanding anyway I could be wrong.
Well I'm getting one just to have a working GPS at the least... I hope to god they've rectified that train wreck.
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Well I'm getting one just to have a working GPS at the least... I hope to god they've rectified that train wreck.
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dont know about that...... hardware should be the same. only time will tell.
ps. NS also lacks SD Card slot.....
If only for the support, I agree. I wonder, will it support at&t frequencies?
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Cant use my 32 gig sd card full of videos and music. Humm, thats a deal breaker. Plus no dual core cpu? No 720P? pffft.
But it is the new test phone, so it will always have the latest and greatest. I still dont have a real Cyanogen 6.x for my vibrant.
I see no compelling reason to go from a Galaxy S to the Nexus S. FFC is useless to me and can be added anyway. Camera flash is no big deal. First crack at the Google software is the big seller, but that's mostly just geek cred not particularly useful. I'm happy with the modified ROMS on the Vibrant. Lack of SD card hurts the Nexus. NFC will be useless for a while.
However if I didn't already have a Galaxy S I'd be looking at the Nexus S if only to get a working GPS... presumably. Have to wait for some real world reviews.
Personally I dont need a ffc or a flash, my sister has an evo and she uses her ffc maybe twice a month. I almost never use the camera in dim light conditions plus the night vision on the vibrant is good enough. Similar 1ghz processor, 512ram, no sd card is killing me!! eventually 2.3 will be ported to vibrant just a matter of time!!
ps gps issue has been addressed in almost every rom in the dev section.
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the question is when ? It took a long time and very buggy releases from Galaxy S Froyo until finally Vibrant leaks started to come out. When do you think they will leak 2.3......even 2.2 is not out yet.....
so porting from Nexus S might not be as easy as it looks......
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It's not "easy" but easier than you're making it sound. Your comparison is irrelevant. The reason froyo took so long to port over was differences in the device we were porting from, and once the JK2 froyo build leaked, it was running near perfect on the vibrant the same day. 2.3 is out and released already and the device we'd be porting it from has an almost identical setup and also is compatible with the T-mobile network from the get go etc etc. I'd say there's gonna be some sort of working port by the end of the year without a doubt.
On the google page about the Nexus S it said that it featured wifi hotspot without additional fees from carriers. If the Nexus S is ported to the vibrant any chance that feature could be included too?
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It's not "easy" but easier than you're making it sound. Your comparison is irrelevant. The reason froyo took so long to port over was differences in the device we were porting from, and once the JK2 froyo build leaked, it was running near perfect on the vibrant the same day. 2.3 is out and released already and the device we'd be porting it from has an almost identical setup and also is compatible with the T-mobile network from the get go etc etc. I'd say there's gonna be some sort of working port by the end of the year without a doubt.
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How is Galaxy S different from Vibrant vs Nexus S different from Vibrant ?
port from Galaxy S was never working 100% until Vibrant Froyo (JK2) leaked. GPS wasnt working, all buttons were messed up, 3.5mm jack wasnt fully functional...etc. and 2.3 Vibrant leak is NOT coming in near future or most likely EVER.
people are speculating that it may be difficult to port 2.3 over to vibrant si,ply be cause it uses iNAND flash memory but IDK im no developer
have to wait and see when its released
Also specs might be very similar but we dont know on how similar the hardware is...drivers could still be incompatible with galaxy S hardware
I wouldn't expect to see samsung release 2.3 for galaxy S line of phones IMO they probably have some sort of deal with google to exclusively have 2.3 on nexus S and google would lose sales if galaxy S got 2.3 as an OTA
So what do u want to see on the next galaxy s2 phone?
i personally want honycomb!!
- camera flash
- less grainy screen
- sturdier construction
- less bloat
- 8mp camera
- dual core
- gig of ram
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I want it to be on my phone but not a new phone
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i personally want honycomb!!
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It's "Honeycomb" actually and I'd prefer to enjoy what I've got right now rather constantly speculate about what may be. We haven't even officially received Froyo yet, let alone Gingerbread. Honeycomb will be probably be a year away for us at the earliest since it's not even due to be out until Summer 2011.
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It's "Honeycomb" actually and I'd prefer to enjoy what I've got right now rather constantly speculate about what may be. We haven't even officially received Froyo yet, let alone Gingerbread. Honeycomb will be probably be a year away for us at the earliest since it's not even due to be out until Summer 2011.
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You should read the entire post before you comment. He said galaxy S 2 as in the next generation of sammy gs phones.
I want a dual screen slider with a dual core. Pretty much just two of these with a single os stuck together some how. It would be awsome for games. You could program a virtual keypad for the bottom screen for any type of button configuration, and it wont block the screen.
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Forgot to add...better support from Samsung.
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If the Nexus S's spec is virtually a Vibrant... and the Nexus S is coming with Gingerbread... I don't think it's too far off to say (thanks to our devs) that Vibrant owners may have a Gingerbread ROM before New Year's.
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It's "Honeycomb" actually and I'd prefer to enjoy what I've got right now rather constantly speculate about what may be. We haven't even officially received Froyo yet, let alone Gingerbread. Honeycomb will be probably be a year away for us at the earliest since it's not even due to be out until Summer 2011.
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Forgot to add...better support from Samsung.
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I don't think sammy is the blame for software support on this phone. To me it seams they have tried but tmobile has gotten in the way. The phone has had a couple updates already granted they were relatively minor but they addressed major issues that people complained about. Bettter modems for better signal for one. They released an app to fix the gps. Which has worked for me multiple times(if it haven't for you have you tried deleting gps data first).
They have tried to release updates on their own through mini kies that tmobile told people not to use. There seams to always be a release on samsungfirmwares.com that isn't a final but provides parts needed for custom roms. They made the phone rediculously easy to mod even provided a way to fix your phone if you brick it. And it doesn't void your warranty if you take it apart because there isn't any warranty stickers.
What more do you want from them? They have tried to support the community the best they can without Tmobile interferance. They have to go through testing before they release to the public but to me it looks like they are trying.
That said I bet the sgs 2's, will be almost identical hardware wise on all the networks. Because I bet all of these very different variations of the same phone is giving them the flux.
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dual core
flash
docking station to hook up keyboard mouse monitor at home so i can just worry about having one actual device with everything on it for work and just have a gaming machine separate via kvm
have a dock in the car with a nice touch screen monitor attached and have a nice screen for gps and everything right there instead of a 3500 dollar car gps entertainment crap.
of course they could just make the dock like that now and the firmware to support
I just want a ticker display like the Samsung Continuum has.
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SCH-I400ZKAVZW
HDMI
USB
Xeon Flash, Led is a waste of space
1 Gig Ram
Dual Core
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I don't think sammy is the blame for software support on this phone. To me it seams they have tried but tmobile has gotten in the way. The phone has had a couple updates already granted they were relatively minor but they addressed major issues that people complained about. Bettter modems for better signal for one. They released an app to fix the gps. Which has worked for me multiple times(if it haven't for you have you tried deleting gps data first).
They have tried to release updates on their own through mini kies that tmobile told people not to use. There seams to always be a release on samsungfirmwares.com that isn't a final but provides parts needed for custom roms. They made the phone rediculously easy to mod even provided a way to fix your phone if you brick it. And it doesn't void your warranty if you take it apart because there isn't any warranty stickers.
What more do you want from them? They have tried to support the community the best they can without Tmobile interferance. They have to go through testing before they release to the public but to me it looks like they are trying.
That said I bet the sgs 2's, will be almost identical hardware wise on all the networks. Because I bet all of these very different variations of the same phone is giving them the flux.
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If it was T-Mobile in the way, the other carriers would have Froyo releases out too. It's Samsung.
That said...
Dual Core Processor
Camera Flash
768 or 1 GB of RAM
Notification LED
Different Build Material (the plastic does feel a bit cheap)
Working GPS
HSPA+
The 4" form factor is perfect, and Super AMOLED is fantastic.
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You should read the entire post before you comment. He said galaxy S 2 as in the next generation of sammy gs phones.
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Oh, I did. I was commenting on the fact that the OP wanted to speculate on a device that doesn't exist yet while existing devices are already quite behind. I figured there is already plenty to discuss without bringing imaginary devices into the mix. No offense meant, I apologize. Carry on.
i don't need a better specs but i need better applications.
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@ fuman lack of support and getting froyo are too separate things. They are supporting the device. Besides you don't know the politics behind their agreement with google. They may not have as large of a team as htc or Motorola has on developement, they might have a contract with the networks not to release it. Maybe they ding get as much support from google that htc or moto has. There is a loft of things that can be holding them up, but support we do have. Look at how long it took other devices took to get cupcake after it came out.
@Epakrat,
How long do you think it takes to design and release a phone? If we don't start giving our input early then it will be too late for them to even implement our ideas.
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@ fuman lack of support and getting froyo are too separate things. They are supporting the device. Besides you don't know the politics behind their agreement with google. They may not have as large of a team as htc or Motorola has on developement, they might have a contract with the networks not to release it. Maybe they ding get as much support from google that htc or moto has. There is a loft of things that can be holding them up, but support we do have. Look at how long it took other devices took to get cupcake after it came out.
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I disagree, I think OS updates are equivalent to continued support for the device, and the GPS fixes have been hit or miss for people so there are still major issues that are unresolved. I can understand Samsung not having the development or experience with Android that Motorola and HTC have, but I haven't seen anything that would put the blame on T-Mobile more so then Samsung. I don't really put any blame on T-Mobile for anything Vibrant related at the moment.
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i don't need a better specs but i need better applications.
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lol Facebook just updated the Facebook app on android today and it's good. haha it answered my wishlist.
Quad core, 2GB ram, 5 inch MEGASUPERAMOLED display, bluray optical drive, and IceCream (after honeycomb?) OS.
Seriously though. I'd want: No lag, fully functioning GPS, Xenon flash, top unlock button, dedicated camera button, micro usb port on the side next to an HDMI out, 3.5mm on top, more dedicated memory onboard 768MB or 1GB, slightly faster cpu (current cpu is super fast) and a less plasticky finish (more HTC like). I think most of those changes would be easy to implement. I think I basically listed every feature in most upcoming android "super phones".
Support and kept promises from Samsung... that's it. It is what I thought I was buying in the first place.
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@ fuman lack of support and getting froyo are too separate things. They are supporting the device. Besides you don't know the politics behind their agreement with google. They may not have as large of a team as htc or Motorola has on developement, they might have a contract with the networks not to release it. Maybe they ding get as much support from google that htc or moto has. There is a loft of things that can be holding them up, but support we do have. Look at how long it took other devices took to get cupcake after it came out.
@Epakrat,
How long do you think it takes to design and release a phone? If we don't start giving our input early then it will be too late for them to even implement our ideas.
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None of what you said makes sene.
Android is a tech geek-heavy community (the fanbois, at least).
Samsung has the hardware to differentiate itself outside of defacing android.
If they would have just released a Stock Android phone with their hardware, and ensured a fast update turnaround, they probably would have sold more phones than they did.
And they would not have needed such a large software development team.
Galaxy S phones becasue of the hardware, not because of the software, and many people would not have brought them in the US if they had known the update would have taken so ****ing long to materialize. Samsung was talking about updating to FroYo before the Euro Galaxy S was even launched (at their event).
They should be embarassed. Probably the biggest let down of 2010.
Also, an Android phone doesn't need 768 MB RAM. 512 is fine. The issue is our phones don't have 512 RAM accessible to applications to begin with. It has about as much App-Accessible RAM as a cheap mid-ranged Android device...
That being said, unless I pony up for a WP7 device, I'm getting a new notebook (not a netbook, a notebook). I'm not seeing how these phones are worth what they sell for. Unlike computers, a bad phone purchase is hardly salvageable...
Designing a phone isn't as monumental as some make it out to be, unless the manufacturer is just starting out. Much of the groundwork has been done by them in the past and they can simply make new phones by differing in the chasis if possible, and very few components... How do you tihnk Samsung managed 4 different Galaxy S phones for every carrier here? It certainly didn't take them a year or more to branch them out from the i9k, that's for sure...
Hey guys, does anyone think that the Vibrant 4g is the exact same hardware as the Vibrant but with an updated Radio software to enable HSPA+ and FFC considering the spot was left open for the FFC in current Vibrants?
If this is the case then this will be awesome. A simple rom flash and FFC (without banding) and HSPA+ working on all Vibrants.
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Hey guys, does anyone think that the Vibrant 4g is the exact same hardware as the Vibrant but with an updated Radio software to enable HSPA+ and FFC considering the spot was left open for the FFC in current Vibrants?
If this is the case then this will be awesome. A simple rom flash and FFC (without banding) and HSPA+ working on all Vibrants.
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Yes. Now the question is, will we be able to get the HSPA+ antenna and the Vibrant 4G FFC from http://globaldirectparts.com/ and just flash the ROM over?
I doubt the radio, but I'm giddy like a schoolgirl if the FFC works. Not like I'll really use it, but itl be fun to add.
on second thought.... it may even be the same radio, just locked out at first to give the + more "features". or maybe slight design/performance issues they corrected for the "+".
Highly doubt it - an HSPA+ 21 radio in the new Vibrant means that there's a different chipset embedded - you can't simply add 14Mbps to the radio cap from strictly a software standpoint.
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Highly doubt it - an HSPA+ 21 radio in the new Vibrant means that there's a different chipset embedded - you can't simply add 14Mbps to the radio cap from strictly a software standpoint.
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I agree with him.
I've disassembled and inspected my vibrant just for the curiousity of it, and i compared majority of the parts to the I9000, and some are totally different specs, but definetly compatible.
With that said, i'm not surprised if they did change the chipset/radio to get the so called, "HSPA+" speed.
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Gps hardware changed also probably.
My vote goes to different hardware, and I can almost certainly bet the GPS hardware will be changed too.
Does anyone know when the Vibrant 4g will be released? Right now, I am contemplating the T-Mo G2; but would really be interested in the Vibrant 4g!
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Does anyone know when the Vibrant 4g will be released? Right now, I am contemplating the T-Mo G2; but would really be interested in the Vibrant 4g!
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Don't know that it's been officially announced but 2/23 is the rumor I keep seeing.
No, what makes you think that? "This Changes Everything. Again."
-Steve Jobs
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Does anyone know when the Vibrant 4g will be released? Right now, I am contemplating the T-Mo G2; but would really be interested in the Vibrant 4g!
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Did you learn nothing from people's experience with the Vibrant?
It took 3 months for Samsung to release a software fix that didn't fix most of the disfunctional GPSs. A month or so later they release a patch that finally fixed them, except for the ones with a hardware problem. It took them 6 months to release Froyo, long after Gingerbread is old news. And that was probably the result, at least in part, of the #NeverAgain campaign.
And I'm glad that Eugene is doing something with the Behold, because Samsung sure couldn't care less. But even a good dev like Eugene can't fix the hardware issues that plague the Behold.
So if you want to get fleeced by a company that wants your money but doesn't want to give you support after they have your money, feel free to deal with Samsung.
Personally, I'd get the G2. HTC, while not perfect, has shown a LOT more inclination to comply with the spirit of the Apache license and the OHSA charter.
And while, as someone commented, you may not care if Samsung ever updates your TV or not, there are other options out there with just as high a contrast ratio and from companies that has shown that they are willing to support their customers in the past (LG and ViewSonic).
Frankly, I'm pretty pissed off at the mod who locked the "Do you still hate Samsung?" thread, categorizing it as "whining". For consumer activism to be effective, people must remember. Samsung and their ilk count on people forgetting that they are a bunch of ripoff artists.
My wife has a G2, it's a very fine phone. My advice is to get it. I wish I had waited for a G2 rather than buying a Vibrant at launch.
Whether or not the old Vibrant can do HSPA+ depends on the chips inside the phone.
Its not uncommon for two tiers of products (like computer processors) to ship with the same hardware, but different settings/firmware to enable or lock out certain features.
Keeps manufacturing costs down to do it that way because you can use the same assembly line and parts for all of your products.
Col.Kernel said:
Did you learn nothing from people's experience with the Vibrant?
I've had a wonderful time with my vibrant and thanks to Samsung and the devs on this site, I have had froyo for months now.
Although there has been no "official" froyo update until now it's incorrect to say Samsung has been doing nothing for the Vibrant. It seems to me they have been working towards a release pretty consistantly. Since November there has been at least 8 leaked builds of froyo that Samsung has put together.
JK2, JK6, JL1, JL4, JL5 KA5, KA6, KA7. That's a lot of work.
I'm luckily one who has always had a working GPS so I haven't had to deal with that problem but I still test every modem to see which one I like best. I mixed and matched so many roms, kernels, modems, it's been a blast.
Using apps like launcher pro, desktop visualizer, widgetlocker I've been able to make my phone unique to me.
I wouldn't know what to do with a stock ota release.
And talking about Gingerbread, how many other phones have it now?
With the Nexus S so close to the Vibrant and such a good group of devs working on the Vibrant, I'd wager we get a working Gingerbread rom before most other phones out there.
P.S. I'm an old fart, have been a software project manager for decades, I live my life in the BETA zone.
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If they wanted to really make it a killer device and not just the most infinitesimal incremental upgrade to the Vibrant, they would start with 2 things: 1) Up the RAM to 1 GB (maybe 768 MB) as Android is a RAM hog, well really Java is a RAM hog. 2) Use higher bin'd CPUs and include a "turbo" throttle mode to go to 1.2~1.3 GHz for short bursts (since most of us can and more with SetCPU and a O/C kernel).
I'd love to see a version with a slide out keyboard similar to the G2 or TP2 and bigger battery. A truly brilliant engineer would make a keyboard/extended battery a snap on add-in module that replaced the back cover and existing battery without a ton of extra bulk (The camera is offset enough to just leave an slot at one end of the slide out tray). Make it an option package under $50-70 and I would be in line to toss in some extra cash.
Another odd niggle of the Vibrant is the lack of hardware camera button. I am willing to bet they took it out because of complaints regarding previous hardware camera button implementations. All the Behold/Instinct/Solstice/Highlight/etc phones the camera button a) stuck out further than all other buttons b) if held for a few seconds would break any screen lock and start taking pictures while in your pocket.