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don't the ROM geniuses create a NEW thread everytime they create a NEW ROM!!!!!
seriously wading thur loads of pages of an OLD ROM thread about NEW ROM and trying to find the NEW ROM download is exhausting
I'd also like to see a new thread for new ROMs (at least for 'milestones'). The threads of the old ROMs could stay open for a couple of days after the new one is released and then it could be closed with the advice to use the new ROM from that point of time on and with the advice that the old version won't get any support anymore. I think that would be also more comfortable for the chefs. Same with e.g. the CHT-thread a.s.o. - no offense, only an idea
I disagree. There is no need to wade through pages of posts to find the links as in 99.9% of the time they are in the first few posts. Also, many of the little quirks and their fixes often carry over from rom to rom. It's bad enough already with the continual stream of repetitive questions, just imagine how bad it will get if the history of these fixes needs to be repeated in each new thread.
I totality agree with you ClydeB1..
No need to. Take your time read carefully (most of the roms have the date of the last ROM), look for the download link. SIMPLES.
I'm in 2 minds about this. I see the benefit of having all information regarding a ROM and its development all in the same thread, but it can also make it difficult to figure out which versions have which bugs.
I have been reading about ROMs a few times and been turned off becasue of a bunch of bug reports, only to later find they were talking about an ancient version.
Single thread is better
wazaaappp said:
No need to. Take your time read carefully (most of the roms have the date of the last ROM), look for the download link. SIMPLES.
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I argee wazaappp. It is actually easier if all the releases are discussed in single thread. This makes it easier to search for particular problem/bug that may have reoccurred in latest rom, which means the solution will be in the same thread instead of multiple thread for each milestone.
The easiest way to get about in rom release threads:
1. Find download links in the 1st page itself
2. All the change logs will be in the 1st page itself
3. Finally go to last page and work your way back few pages and that should be sufficient to get you up to speed with the latest release.
4. When reading any bug report from our fellow Xda members, please check the post date. If older than the latest release date, then most probably it has been fixed or workaround will be posted within few next pages!
Do this and you will agree with us! Hope it helps!
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I argee wazaappp. It is actually easier if all the releases are discussed in single thread. This makes it easier to search for particular problem/bug that may have reoccurred in latest rom, which means the solution will be in the same thread instead of multiple thread for each milestone.
The easiest way to get about in rom release threads:
1. Find download links in the 1st page itself
2. All the change logs will be in the 1st page itself
3. Finally go to last page and work your way back few pages and that should be sufficient to get you up to speed with the latest release.
4. When reading any bug report from our fellow Xda members, please check the post date. If older than the latest release date, then most probably it has been fixed or workaround will be posted within few next pages!
Do this and you will agree with us! Hope it helps!
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Yes it would help it all NEW ROM is started in a NEW POST
and a link is provided to where the NEW ROM is being discussed, instead of working backward to find the start!!!!
rickyjune said:
Yes it would help it all NEW ROM is started in a NEW POST
and a link is provided to where the NEW ROM is being discussed, instead of working backward to find the start!!!!
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Wow...out of my long explanation, you choose to only read one sentence(item 3)....and disregard all other advantage I pointed out.
Well...too bad thats how it has been all this while and i dont foresee the chefs/mods adding new thread for each milestone release!
To some extent, I can understand the OP´s main point. Especially for newbies,
and maybe even more valid in case of HD2, where the choice of ROMs is massive,
it may take quite some time to find your preferences.
But, after getting used to forums like this, I think it´s great to have one thread
by each chef - this way, it´s much easier for me to find what´s new, or even
to subscribe to my favorite ROM threads.
This will lead to even more littered forum with 9000+ custom ROM threads.
I'd like to see all these custom ROMs in a separate forum so they wouldn't mess with the actual development threads.
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I disagree. There is no need to wade through pages of posts to find the links as in 99.9% of the time they are in the first few posts. Also, many of the little quirks and their fixes often carry over from rom to rom. It's bad enough already with the continual stream of repetitive questions, just imagine how bad it will get if the history of these fixes needs to be repeated in each new thread.
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newbees here should READ! the more one spends time with XDA the more one
will feel the ease of use and browsing through the Thread. So please, if the mods have time, they'll explain the logic behind this.
A new thread is typically created for new ROM's - not for updates to an existing ROM.
Update ROM's are announced in the original thread. The purpose for keeping all of the posts in an existing ROM thread is to help troubleshoot problems that might come up.
HTH,
I reckon Co0kieMonster's hit the nail on the head. Whenever he releases a new version of CHT, he puts a link in the first post saying "version x.x.x.x stuff starts at this post..."
If people don't read the 1st post then I couldn't care less if they end up reading 600 pages. (Let's face it, if they don't read the 1st post, they're probably just gonna post the same repeated and answered rubbish anyway!)
hey, i have a brand new hd2, i did not change anything on it, the rom is original, the spl is original and so on....
i have 1.66 esteurope ROM, if i upgrade the rom to 2.02 or 2.07 or 2.10 can i go back to 1.66?
Mods please read and consider!
I've noticed for awhile that once a particular rom reaches a certain age (sometimes only a few days) or popularity that the thread becomes hundreds or sometimes over one thousand pages long. I've been on xda since not too long after I bought my g1 which was pre ordered and received the day of initial release. So I know how frustrating it is to be searching for a question or answer but not have the time or patience to search through hundreds of pages for it. I feel like it would be extremely beneficial to everyone if once a rom reaches so many pages it is moved to it's own sub forum so that individual issues related to a rom can have their own thread.
I know there is a search function,i use it on a regular basis, but it is not always that easy. Not every body is a great search user, not always knowing the proper words to use to search for something and get useful results.
Also people are less likely to get an answer to their question if it's already hidden behind many pages of posts before someone with an answer comes around and they don't look far enough back to see the question.
I hope my thoughts made sense and some people out there agree with me.
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i agree something needs to be done because the rom threads get out of control. i think part of the problem is that a new thread isn't created for a new version so you have people posting about bugs in multiple versions in one thread and you have hundreds of pages to wade through for an answer when each version may only have 10-30 pages.
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I've always felt that new versions of ROMs need a fresh start so that any information posted is found without sifting through dozens and dozens of pages (AFTER using the search function)
Sub-forums would be even better so all that previous info doesnt go away.
thanks for that input, I forgot about that point as well... ya 3, 4, 5 or more different version of a rom all crammed into one thread...
Please start a new thread when you put out a new version of your rom.
By the time the second version comes out for the really good roms it's impossible to follow all the issues as there can be upwards of 1000 posts in the thread. Starting at the back doesn't help because of all the "how's your battery life?" posts. Then again, maybe that's the problem.
Anyway, I REALLY appreciate the work you guys do on these roms and kernels. I just wish it were easier to follow the flow of development.
Thanks for listening.
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+1 .... i am with you !!!
+1 . Yeah it so annoying to go through thousands of old threads...
Moved to general
Moved? Do the people I'm talking to ever look in "general?"
I support this all the way people always tell everyone to use search but you barely ever get what your looking for..
michaelh99 said:
Please start a new thread when you put out a new version of your rom.
By the time the second version comes out for the really good roms it's impossible to follow all the issues as there can be upwards of 1000 posts in the thread. Starting at the back doesn't help because of all the "how's your battery life?" posts. Then again, maybe that's the problem.
Anyway, I REALLY appreciate the work you guys do on these roms and kernels. I just wish it were easier to follow the flow of development.
Thanks for listening.
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Great suggestion. totally agree.
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Moved? Do the people I'm talking to ever look in "general?"
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Well it doesn't have anything to do with developing..
Although you do make a pretty good point, it is a LOT easier just to update the thread with a new download link & change log.
It would also cut down on a lot of clutter in that section.
If you are running an older version of what that dev posted, you shouldn't post bugs unless it didn't say it was fixed in the newest version of what they posted.
Master™ said:
Well it doesn't have anything to do with developing..
Although you do make a pretty good point, it is a LOT easier just to update the thread with a new download link & change log.
It would also cut down on a lot of clutter in that section.
If you are running an older version of what that dev posted, you shouldn't post bugs unless it didn't say it was fixed in the newest version of what they posted.
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Master, your thread specifically is almost impossible to follow because of the almost 10,000 posts in it.
The easy fix to your update example above:
1) go to post for last release
2) hit edit
3) Ctrl-A to select all and Ctrl-C to copy
4) Hit Cancel
5) Open new thread and Ctrl-V to paste
6) edit pasted text and hit preview
7) review the post and make corrections as needed
8) hit submit and wait for the flood
T313C0mun1s7 said:
Master, your thread specifically is almost impossible to follow because of the almost 10,000 posts in it.
The easy fix to your update example above:
1) go to post for last release
2) hit edit
3) Ctrl-A to select all and Ctrl-C to copy
4) Hit Cancel
5) Open new thread and Ctrl-V to paste
6) edit pasted text and hit preview
7) review the post and make corrections as needed
8) hit submit and wait for the flood
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9. Delete the old thread.
I think it's more of a "Let's see whose thread can get the mot posts" type of thing. Because it actually makes little to no sense to update a thread from months ago that is full of non-existent issues and then ask people to search through that thread as if the answer is supposed to jump out at them. Luckily I have given up on trying to read threads.
kangxi said:
9. Delete the old thread.
I think it's more of a "Let's see whose thread can get the mot posts" type of thing. Because it actually makes little to no sense to update a thread from months ago that is full of non-existent issues and then ask people to search through that thread as if the answer is supposed to jump out at them. Luckily I have given up on trying to read threads.
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Well first, you cannot delete your own threads nor close them.
There is a search button in the threads for a reason also..
I guess it could be a thing to get people into saying what version they are on when they report a bug/ask a question..
Just a thought
I have to say I kinda agree with the OP, although obviously from your point of view its just making work.
I run your Axura 2.1 ROM Master, and was feeling a little lag from it here and there. I was looking for one piece of information... "can I use OCLF with this ROM"... had bad experiences with Voodoo in the past.
Man, it was no mean feat to find this out. Eventually, I put the new Voodoo kernel on my phone and its running flawlessly (utterly love this ROM by the way man. Seriously. Better than anything out there by a royal mile), but it was a hugely frustrating process to figure out whether I had any other options. To get a definitive answer. Just to find something simple.
I've often asked people direct questions in PM, and got no response, or at least an unhelpful one. As a technical guy, but not a developer, any questions I have are usually pretty specific, and not newbie in nature, and finding the answer is a massive problem. One of the biggest hurdles to this is 1000+ post threads.
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Master™ said:
Well first, you cannot delete your own threads nor close them.
There is a search button in the threads for a reason also..
I guess it could be a thing to get people into saying what version they are on when they report a bug/ask a question..
Just a thought
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Personally I think the old threads should remain anyhow. They help to keep the versions separate, not everyone upgrades right away. People should post in the correct thread for their version, but right not this is not possible.
Also, the old, dead thread clean up is not the responsibility of the OP, but of the forum admin. I have owned and run many forums. I have used ikonboard, vBulletin, Invision Power Board, MyBB, Phorum, phpBB, and my favorite Simple Machines Forum. All of them have in the administrative back end the option to cleanup old dead threads with no posts with a set time frame.
Problem is rom gets updated, 300 posts of "OMG Thank You, flashing soon!!!!"
They don't care.. The only thing they care about is getting donations. Higher post conts = more attention = more donations. In summary: they do not care
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grennis said:
They don't care.. The only thing they care about is getting donations. Higher post conts = more attention = more donations. In summary: they do not care
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Sorry, gotta call BS on this one. Based on recent events I can guess that you are speaking at least generally if not specifically to Master, and he already addressed (IN THIS VERY THREAD) his thoughts both for and against. In fact so far he has been the ONLY developer to come forward and state he would be willing to do this.
Your statement does not contribute in any way to the discussion at hand, and I personally to not appreciate anyone that posts in running threads just to flamebait and be defamatory. Please check yourself.
I think an easier and better solution exists.
The problem for us the users is that we cannot find which posts relate to which rom version, correct?
The problem for developers if we choose to open a new thread for every release is to follow all 20 threads.
An easy solution would be to have one thread for the rom as it is now, BUT with every update of the rom (and the first page) the developer can add another post with update details at the end of his thread (basically a simple post reply) and put a link to it on the first page in the change log.
This way people viewing the change log will have links to the parts of the thread that discuss that update, while developers won't have 20 threads to maintain.
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Whether you are following 20 threads or the same number of posts in 1 thread the work is the same because you have to reply either way. Also, all versions in 1 thread plus people still using old versions leads to confusion, and confusion equals having to clarify which ultimately means more posts. If you subscribe to the threads and use proper subjects for the thread you should get an e-mail that not only tells you there was a reply, but to which thread version and you can prioritize your replies, ie. Current version I will answer that now, 3 versions back and he can wait until I am done with what I am working on or else he can upgrade. Also since the older threads will get posted to less frequently the chance of multiple posts after the e-mail is less, so if the question is something that was fixed in a newer version you can decide it is not even worth your time to reply. As a developer you can not do that now because there may be many replies after the one that triggered your subscription e-mail that you will not see until you visit the forum.
Trust me, I have run a BUNCH of forums, and 1 thread per version is a better idea for many reasons you have not even thought of yet. If you fully think it out you will realize that it is actually easier to keep track of the 2 or 3 most resent threads people actually pay attention to then try to track the last 2 or 3 versions in 1 thread.
I've run a few big forums too so I do know what im talking about.
With 95% of users upgrade to a newer version of the rom there would be no need to keep the threads for the old roms because no one will write there. But you can't delete them. So instead of having 20 threads with 20 roms, we will have 400 threads for 20 versions of those 20 roms if we follow your idea
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Before anyone points out that I didn't post this is the main CM thread, I'd rather not keep up with sorting through the dozens of new posts to find out which ones are in response to my question if I don't immediately visit the forums after receiving a notification E-Mail, that is if anyone even notices mine among the already thousands of posts within the same thread. So, with that being said:
I loaded CM7 v2.5 into the NAND of my HD2. Everything ran great for about the first week. Now I am experiencing random reboots on an average of about once a day. At first, I thought ti might be related to overclocking. But even after returning to the default profile and on top of that UNINSTALLING SetCPU, the problem still persists.
It doesn't reboot the entire phone as in starting from the bootloader. It will freeze in the middle of whatever and fall back to the CM7 loading screen.
I see many people having this same problem and also many people with CM7 working just great. Has anyone yet determined the cause of this issue?
With that being said you still posted in the wrong section. This should be in the Q&A section. After blatantly stating your too lazy to follow a possible response to your question, its not that hard to just go to your statistics, then your posts and follow it from there. Its not like it would be pages ahead if your original question. To answer your question, you should upgrade your build.
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With that being said you still posted in the wrong section. This should be in the Q&A section. After blatantly stating your too lazy to follow a possible response to your question, its not that hard to just go to your statistics, then your posts and follow it from there. Its not like it would be pages ahead if your original question. To answer your question, you should upgrade your build.
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Hey Matt, here is a suggestion for you:
The next time you feel as if you are going to have diarrhea of the mouth, take it to the toilet instead of spewing it all over someone else. I already stated the obvious, and there is no need to be a complete D-Bag and start something that doesn't need to be started by rubbing it in.
If I posted in the wrong forum, oops oh well no big deal but there are better ways to let someone know. The first mod that sees this would move it anyways It's that simple.
And in response to your statement about being too lazy, I went through this whole route when I was running WM6.5 and the CleanEX ROM. I was told to post any issues in the main ROM thread, and usually I would have to sort through 2 - 3 pages of replies to find anything that was addressed to my question that is, as already stated, if it didn't go unnoticed among the thousands of other posts. This might be the way you and many others do things, but honestly it is an extremely unorganized way of getting a response. Tried it, and didn't care for it.
So with that being said, I kind of find it hard to believe that it is just the build that's causing the phone to act this way, unless it was discovered that this was actually a bug with the build (?). No offense, but people tend to see upgrading to a newer version as a universal fix-all.
You cant just ignore the rules and post anywhere you want, just because you cant be arsed to post and wait in the roms own thread. This forum is for posting developments/dev info etc, NOT for posting question topics.
Go use the Q&A section or post in your roms thread.
User/Thread reported.
Moved this thread to "HD2 Android Q&A and General" section.
Oh yeah. I closed the thread too. There is no reason to deliberately violate the rules and post in your OP that you did exactly that.
I don't really care how much you dislike the idea of posting an issue in the ROM release thread because that's how things are done.
This is the kind of thread that really irks me. You know all you're doing is getting yourself flamed and irritating a moderator....
The next time I see a thread like this from you, I'm not only going to close it but I'm going to delete it and infract you for deliberately breaking the rules.
Consider yourself warned.
dharvey4651
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I have been here since March and have read well over 100 hours of material here on XDA and just because I have not posted crap on the non development threads I can't post quality help and rom feedback in the rom development threads? That doesn't make any sense. There needs to be another way. For example, if a user has actively read/searched for a set amount of time that should count for something as well. I am not sure what that amount should be but I strongly feel it would be a good Idea. I think it might also reduce the amount of nonsense posts that people put up just so they can get their 10 posts, one reason I am posting this one.
Rant over (for now)
waspvl1
hey
I totally agree I am very knowlegable of flashing roms and been having trouble lately with these newer builds but I dent have the posts eaither haha BS for sure
i have a feeling its to force people/newbs ( no offense) to actually spend the time reading and hopefully find the answers on their own instead of flooding the forums with questions that have been asked and answered hundreds of times before.
said newbs might ( as i have in the past) find additional answers to questions they dont even yet have.
I have no problem with looking for answers. I am venting because there are many times I know the answers to others' questions and because I don't have 10 post I can't help them out and possibly others at the same time. I end up answering there question threw instant messages instead of in the thread where it might be useful to others. I am also venting because I can't report bugs on a new release of a rom that I just flashed. A bug that as of yet has not been mentioned and I want to see if I am the only one with the bug, Also I have read the entire thread and up to this point this bug has not been in any of the previous releases for me or for others.
WaspVL1
I cant report bugs on a new release of a rom that I just flashed cause im a newb.
i have been flashing different roms for a year now...........
I also find this thing not useful. I have less then 10 posts, but i use every new edition of SD build cm7 ACA, and i have a lot of suggestions. I find every new edition better then the other before!
This thread should be in Off Topic, which is a good place to make your first 10 posts quickly and easily.
10 posts isn't really that much.
well guys my best advice is ... hop on over the a non dev forum and get to answering questions for the TRUE newb, help someone truly lost and in need. you know as well as i do its something we do almost every time out and take for granted ... (remember your VERY first time you flashed anything!?!?!) how nervous you were that you were going to turn this marvelous beauty into a ugly paper weight, how many times you read yet still missed that ONE little step!
its been so long since i joined id but forgotten about the non dev posting limitations ... ahhhhh well reach out, help someone, and happy posting :-D
Well firstly 10 posts isn't much and secondly you are in the wrong forum. There are loads of threads about this in the OT forum.
ravi.sagar641 said:
I cant report bugs on a new release of a rom that I just flashed cause im a newb.
i have been flashing different roms for a year now...........
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It's not like that, but like this:
You (and maybe 10 other people) do have knowledge and aren't newbies, but are not able to report bugs, help others or contribute because of the limit.
But on the other hand, There are over 100 members that are purely newbies and won't mind (maybe also enjoy?) posting (already answered) questions in the development sub-forums, that had to be restricted from cluttering the dev forum.
The idea of limiting dev sub-forums to over 10 posts may has its cons, but it also has it pros.
And as mentioned earlier, getting 10 posts (e.g. from answering in Q&A sub-forums) shouldn't be that hard.
I have no problem with the 10 ost limit. Just post something on a random thread like this and you will quickly get 10. Just like me, I hated my old user name and now I made a new account, I'm not a developer but I have read many many hours and can suggest something worth while also. But in reading those many hours I have seen countless post just reasking a question thats been answered already. 10 posts isn't that bad you will have it in no time!
I know that if I wanted to just go and wright pointless stuff I would have the posts I need in no time but I don't feel right about doing that just for the sake of doing it. However to get my point across I have no problem doing it.
Agreed, I'm still working on my 10post requirement so I can post feedback on ROMs and bugs.
You finally got your 10 post requirement.... nice!
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It should be time to read/search in forum! You learn more reading one day than posting ten messages. When new member is learn how to use search they are ready to start posting
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i concur with the original post, i've spent many many countless hours reading and watching tuorial vids and such and can usually get through the majoirty of it all with some trial and error...
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sweet, 10 posts!