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[DISCUSSION] ANDROID/MAEMO/LINUX on HD2 (Discussion Thread)

Okay I'm a lurker on the developer thread and I thought it best to create a separate topic where everyone can talk about it (or complain that people can't shoehorn an OS on a device fast enough for their liking despite the fact that people are doing it for free basically) without all this "DEVELOPER DISCUSSION ONLY AUGUGHGH" "but we don't know where else to post about it"-ism
so this thread is for the non-developer discussion of said project:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578575
(won't let me past "outside links"(?) cos I'm a n00b for some reason)
so there's no excuse now for anyone who posts "when is it done?" in the other thread
Also, a few pointers since some people don't get it and I'd rather save a developers/non-developers civil war thing.
How long will it take? - You're looking at about a year at least. Remember, it's installing an OS on a system that isn't meant to even have it. It's going to take a hell of a lot of time to guesswork and muck around with this stuff.
(all the people moaning on engadget re: the US HD2 launch being all "HTC release an android update right now " and then being all "OH XDA WILL SORT IT OUT" (because apparently xda is their overnight miracle machine) annoy me something chronic for this reason.)
remember too that these people are more or less doing this for free.
Can't you just install the Nexus/Supersonic/etc. rom on there? - No.
from what I understand of the whole thing (I'm not a developer so take this with a pinch of salt) there's an awful lot of different code and such on these things which means it isn't as easy to just "install" it on another OS. It's like asking why you just can't fit a jaguar engine into a VW beetle. It could work, but there'd be a lot of work and rerouting etc. to be made and even then it would need a lot of tuning and sorting out.
Is it ready yet? - No. You will know when it's ready.
What's happening at the moment? - From what I've read of the whole thing they're trying to iron out kinks with the linux Haret thing thats going to run Android. After they've got it to boot, they're going to have to try and get android working with the HD2. This is why it's taking so long.
so yeah.

hey??
yeah but..
this is the xda DEVELOPERS forum
and this is the HD2 DEVELOPEMENT section
so i guess the linux android development thread does what its supposed to !!
i know its frustrating and you like me want android on the hd2 but to be honest i i find half the fun is the bloody long wait and the small progressions that are made, thats how we learn.
=====PEACE=====
edit >> ok looks like this thread was useful after all - my wrong !! ..

**shrug**
A mod can move it elsewhere if needs be, I was just getting sick of all the feuding going on between people who wanted to talk about it and the developers yelling at the people who aren't posting about developing and thought it best to make a separate thread so non-developer people can talk about the project and developer people can drop in and give advice

yeah
actually you got a point.
theres a fair ammount of flame grill on the other thread that does get annoying
i subscribe to the other thread so i get an instant email for every post and i get my email on my hd2 just as you would a text message so it can be a pain.
=====PEACE=====

Ha finally found again this topic.
I am wishing you all my best to port Android to the HD2 because with all the **** around WinMo 7 comptability, you look the only one able to save the HD2 in the future!
I really hope everyday that Android will be working on our HD2...
Btw, the HTC Desire is going to be out soon, and it has the same specification than the HD2... Does it increase the chance got Android on our HD2?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=594
Good luck and all my best !
Zepiii

i hope we get android on our HD2's with spb mobileshell 5.0

Zepiii said:
Ha finally found again this topic.
I am wishing you all my best to port Android to the HD2 because with all the **** around WinMo 7 comptability, you look the only one able to save the HD2 in the future!
I really hope everyday that Android will be working on our HD2...
Btw, the HTC Desire is going to be out soon, and it has the same specification than the HD2... Does it increase the chance got Android on our HD2?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=594
Good luck and all my best !
Zepiii
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All about Gizmondo.com or Gizmondo.fr its bull**** !!
This web site works for Apple its sure !!
Edit : mistake but im sure about Gizmondo

Ok

Too bad we're stuck with low level developers who can't get it done. We need real developers who actually know what they are doing.

simranjits said:
Too bad we're stuck with low level developers who can't get it done. We need real developers who actually know what they are doing.
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Like Android would be wounderfull to have WebOS runing on HD2...a beautifull simbiose with outlook and Itunes integrations.....and push notifications...and light apps for everythink.
I dreaming with that.

simranjits said:
Too bad we're stuck with low level developers who can't get it done. We need real developers who actually know what they are doing.
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Careful now mate. Watch what you say!

simranjits said:
Too bad we're stuck with low level developers who can't get it done. We need real developers who actually know what they are doing.
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Why don't *YOU* take the lead then if you're so capable of passing judgement on other people; as to do that you must have some amazing development skills in getting an operating system running on unknown poorly documented hardware.
Obvioiusly everyone will bow down to your uberleet level of skill when *YOU* present all of the fine work *YOU* have done!
otherwise...
stop being so bloody rude!
Dcordes knows a fair bit more than most people about linux hacking for ppc devices, I suggest you give him the respect he and others deserve!
if this post upsets you think about what you wrote...

I'm hopeing that it will not sound total idiot, but:
why it's not possible to use NexusOne rom dump, and using it for HD2. Hardware is nearly same except buttons and screen size.
thanks

zabique said:
I'm hopeing that it will not sound total idiot, but:
why it's not possible to use NexusOne rom dump, and using it for HD2. Hardware is nearly same except buttons and screen size.
thanks
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Ooooh dear...i´m still wondering why people are that damn lazy these days, not reading just one line in threads that are having 709 posts at this moment...don´t you people think that there should be a 100 percent-likelihood (in a developers-forum!) that another big brain spits out such ideas? exactly 1.000 other so called "newbies" have mentioned this point in the past few weeks...sometimes in every third post, again and again, without having read what other people have posted one line above. This is not about beeing a newbie or not, this is just about a little respect to the developers, serving nice presents to all of us without getting paid for it. what you guys can do for them? well, the first step should be not to spam around questions that already have been answered 1000 times before...instead go and read through the replies and at the end, when you are sure that there is no answer yet (after using the search function too, of course)...THAN ask your question or type in your comments and I think everbody will thank you for your participation in this community.
Sorry zabique, of course this is not against you ...but after reading exactly the same line for the 20st time/last two weeks there was no inhibition of my fingers typing these lines possible

i have a lot of respect for those developers, i die a bit inside every time a noob asks how it is going and **** like that.. anyway its nice they are working on it and i hope they succeed! dual boot windows / android would be really cool to have! i will surely donate if its working.. but to who should i donate? maybe its an idea to make a sort of bounty (lets say i will give $20 for getting android on hd2) and someone else also $20. thats 40 in total. if that 40 is shared and given to the developers that have worked on that project it would be a stimulation for them i guess.. only i dont know what developers are working intensively..
anyway my reward will be $20
more of you are going to join?
maybe its an idea to add the totall's of the $$ and the name who gives what in the first post?

fards said:
Why don't *YOU* take the lead then if you're so capable of passing judgement on other people; as to do that you must have some amazing development skills in getting an operating system running on unknown poorly documented hardware.
Obvioiusly everyone will bow down to your uberleet level of skill when *YOU* present all of the fine work *YOU* have done!
otherwise...
stop being so bloody rude!
Dcordes knows a fair bit more than most people about linux hacking for ppc devices, I suggest you give him the respect he and others deserve!
if this post upsets you think about what you wrote...
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If i wanted to do it myself , would i be bothering myself with these amateurs. At least i know i can't do it, but these guys don't know when to stop. Like i said we need real developers. All they are doing is guesswork and their debuging techniques are crude.

simranjits said:
If i wanted to do it myself , would i be bothering myself with these amateurs. At least i know i can't do it, but these guys don't know when to stop. Like i said we need real developers. All they are doing is guesswork and their debuging techniques are crude.
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Of course with the guy who have your thinking psychologically, we have the desire to continue working.
Maybe now you know guys who are better and who are willing to take the trouble to come and work for free for fun, to the delight of members!
If this is not the case, then dont write!
I think you're not an adult, easy to dictate but to do the works is another thing.

simranjits said:
If i wanted to do it myself , would i be bothering myself with these amateurs. At least i know i can't do it, but these guys don't know when to stop. Like i said we need real developers. All they are doing is guesswork and their debuging techniques are crude.
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all you know is nothing...
so please shut up and let people who do know what they are talking about get on with it..

fards said:
all you know is nothing...
so please shut up and let people who do know what they are talking about get on with it..
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actually he is quite right. if you have any idea what developers are talking about then you can see that all they do is guess in trial and error style. but aparently you dont have any idea

From the viewpoint of a software architect, it's indeed hard to watch the other thread without crinching every once in a while. On the other hand, the plan of attack there seems to be part of a culture that has done stuff like this quite succesfully with other challenges.
So i won't be surprised if we eventually get a nice port of android running on the HD2.
Mind you, i do believe that an undertaking like this would need the infrastructure, tools and mindset like the main android project has in place at the moment. But that would require a "DEVs and Testers only" door policy.
Simply put, the other thread here lets the lesser gods put their 2 cents in too. I'm cool with that.
BTW, i do not approve of any condescending remarks about the the other thread, nor do i wish to make my own through this mail.

If wp7 can't support htc hd2(hard ware)

WHO CAN HELP HD2 CAN WORK WP7?
MICROSOFT MAY BE Environmental protection not

WHAT do you want??

You should have started this thread in the General discussion, not in the Rom development

Nobody as yet knows what 7 will be like, I may be in the minority here but i think 7 looks like LG software!
How do you know you even want it?
It may be the windows vista of mobile software, besides it's not out for months yet I don't understand all the hype about something we really know nothing about.
Time to bring it down a notch i think and concentrate on the awesome device we have now before we get side tracked on something thats just half a number higher than we already have.
for all those having orgasms over something they havent even used or seen give me 5 reasons you want it?

forelli said:
You should have started this thread in the General discussion, not in the Rom development
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Oh!sorry!
please change my post to General discussion

waz000000 said:
Nobody as yet knows what 7 will be like, I may be in the minority here but i think 7 looks like LG software!
How do you know you even want it?
It may be the windows vista of mobile software, besides it's not out for months yet I don't understand all the hype about something we really know nothing about.
Time to bring it down a notch i think and concentrate on the awesome device we have now before we get side tracked on something thats just half a number higher than we already have.
for all those having orgasms over something they havent even used or seen give me 5 reasons you want it?
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wp7 news,I saw in CHINA POST,BUT WP7 IF REARY CAN'T SUPPORT HD2,WHY BEFORE MANY PEOPLE SAY WP7 CAN WORK IN HD2
SORRY MY ENGLISH IS NOT GOOD,I HOPE YOUR CAN UNDERSTAND

I thought the only reason the HD2 won't run 7 is because it hasn't got a dedicated bing search button? That's not a technical reason, that's a marketing decision.

OMG, yet another WP7-Thread.
I really can't read anything about this anymore. Nobody knows anything about WP7, what it will be like and when it will be ready.
In addition, WP7 seems to become the biggest crap phones have ever seen.
Just wait and see what will happen and stop crying around before anything is settled.

An other thread have been open in "HD2 themes and apps"
We have designers, just missing Developers
If anyone want to give a little help, go on this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=643395
Developers, this project need you, please

Please post in an ongoing WM7 thread.
Thread Closed.

I'm a new member with Questions about my HD2

Well, it's more than just questions.
I have the HD2 and I really enjoy it. Think it's a great piece of hardware. WM6.5 gets the job done for the most part, but I can understand some of the concerns with the OS. It's good to hear that you guys are already working on WM7 and the port to this phone!
Truth is, I put my coin in google's corner, so I'm hoping that Android finds its way into the HD2 via T Mobile.
I'm a bit tech savy, been involved with computer animation and can build computers as well. I thought I ask about the learning curve when it comes to development on PDA's such as mine. With the drop of Android, I flirted with the idea of learning code.
Is Android Linux based?
You guys hear anything about Android getting a port to this phone? I've done the google search and can only find the sprint version of HD2 with Android installed. That does nothing for TMobile customers.
I read up a bit on XDA and they appear legit. My concern is code being used for identity theft. Anyone have bad experiences with XDA and the software that is released here for share? Does the software under go some sort of QA before it's provided for download?
I have no problem with donations, trust is what earns my donations...fair enough, right?
Ultimately, I really like this phone and look forward to further enhancing it...I hear XDA is the place to be!
Thanks guys/gals.

FAQ's and sticky threads are your friend as is google.
Try reading abit, get a feel for the site.. Then ask..

Yes Winmo7 is being ported to the touch HD, though at the moment it's sluggish due to lack of graphical acceleration (and not really something i"m excited by since it doesn't have copy and paste and no multitasking. IMHO it's really more like an iphone/toy meant for none-techy people).
I don't expect an official update/ROM for the HD2 with android to ever be released by htc/tmobile. However, I would be surprised if one wasn't ported by xda from other devices (like nexus/evo 4g).
Yes, android is unix based. (develepment done in java (for upper stuff) and C (for lower stuff)).
Anything you download and install from xda you do so at your own risk. However, I would argue that the risk is minimal (almost none existent) as long as you follow directions and read posts. The only thing that can brick your phone is a failed radio/SPL update/change. Anything else can be cured by a hard reset.
(and what kable said)

As unfriendly as my reply may seem, for a "tech savvy" guy you asked several questions which would have been abundantly answered if you properly used the search tools of the forum, or if you simply browsed through the most active threads

ephestione said:
As unfriendly as my reply may seem, for a "tech savvy" guy you asked several questions which would have been abundantly answered if you properly used the search tools of the forum, or if you simply browsed through the most active threads
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Thick skin...you grouches don't faze me
I've been through the site a bit, what can I say, life outside of the computer caught up and I got a little impatient!
I'm still reading through the forum. Have yet to find an answer to this question.
If I install Android on my HD2 (US), something goes wrong...will I be able to do a hard reset, or reinstall WM6.5?
I really think Android would benefit more out of this hardware. It seems as if everything Unix based always requires less resources and gets the job done!
I also would like to know how I can uninstall these game demos that are eating up space? Will this be a registry edit?
I feel as if Android would FLY on this device. WM6.5 is getting the job done, but it's to late for Microsoft with me. I've used Linux for some time and I just think it's better. Huge supporter of Linux!

Devils1stBorn said:
Thick skin...you grouches don't faze me
I've been through the site a bit, what can I say, life outside of the computer caught up and I got a little impatient!
I'm still reading through the forum. Have yet to find an answer to this question.
If I install Android on my HD2 (US), something goes wrong...will I be able to do a hard reset, or reinstall WM6.5?
I really think Android would benefit more out of this hardware. It seems as if everything Unix based always requires less resources and gets the job done!
I also would like to know how I can uninstall these game demos that are eating up space? Will this be a registry edit?
I feel as if Android would FLY on this device. WM6.5 is getting the job done, but it's to late for Microsoft with me. I've used Linux for some time and I just think it's better. Huge supporter of Linux!
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oh, no grouches intended (and the "I have a life" excuse is old )
There's no way to install Android on the HD2, currently, that's why you couldn't find on these forums how to uninstall it from the hd2
Game demos were not included in my stock rom, if you're using a customized rom from a carrier, then either you find and delete the relevant files, if that's even possible, or you flash a clean custom rom from the rom dev forums which includes onyl the necessary software... but then again, I know all this info because I found it on the forums

ephestione said:
oh, no grouches intended (and the "I have a life" excuse is old )
There's no way to install Android on the HD2, currently, that's why you couldn't find on these forums how to uninstall it from the hd2
Game demos were not included in my stock rom, if you're using a customized rom from a carrier, then either you find and delete the relevant files, if that's even possible, or you flash a clean custom rom from the rom dev forums which includes onyl the necessary software... but then again, I know all this info because I found it on the forums
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Look at you, browsing through forums and stuff. When I grow up, I wanna be just like you.
Thanks for the info. I do have a custom ROM from TMOUS. Has games like guitar hero, prince of persia...more bloated ware. I estimate about 30 mbps of used space.

Devils1stBorn said:
Look at you, browsing through forums and stuff. When I grow up, I wanna be just like you.
Thanks for the info. I do have a custom ROM from TMOUS. Has games like guitar hero, prince of persia...more bloated ware. I estimate about 30 mbps of used space.
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If they allow you to uninstall the games this is how you would go about it:
Go to the settings tab in Sense -> menu(lower right corner) -> all settings -> system -> remove programs.
Now the other option would be to flash your current rom to something faster and less bloated. T-Mobile US Rom Development Forum
I definitely recommend you read the Stickies before going about flashing your phone. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask! Would suck if you brick your new HD2 just because you didn't! This is what these forums are for despite what some members might claim.
As for your other questions yes Android is Unix based and is probably going to be available for the HD2 sometime in the future(don't ask when). There's already a dual boot app so when Android becomes available switching between the two operating systems should be a breeze.
Welcome to the forums and enjoy your new phone!

Hi,
A bit irrrelevant to reply here, but I did not any other place. Have been following this forum for quite sometime. Been around with windows mobile app development for sometime. But what really interest me is when people from this forum tweaks Rom image or port to other harware. Here things look quite easy. Is it really easy? I saw one single person tweaking a ROM image and porting to different hardware?
Hope I have not offended anyone.
- Herojit

Toss3 said:
If they allow you to uninstall the games this is how you would go about it:
Go to the settings tab in Sense -> menu(lower right corner) -> all settings -> system -> remove programs.
Now the other option would be to flash your current rom to something faster and less bloated.
I definitely recommend you read the Stickies before going about flashing your phone. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask! Would suck if you brick your new HD2 just because you didn't! This is what these forums are for despite what some members might claim.
As for your other questions yes Android is Unix based and is probably going to be available for the HD2 sometime in the future(don't ask when). There's already a dual boot app so when Android becomes available switching between the two operating systems should be a breeze.
Welcome to the forums and enjoy your new phone!
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Thanks. And no, it only allows me to uninstall apps I've installed after the initial setup. I've been through system files and the sorts and I can only find icons and other "blah" that's not the actual install directory. I show all the hidden files and still, can't find it.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to Android. Don't need the dual boot. Just a solid port with solid drivers.

Sorry everyone for the irrelevant post again.
I was hoping that someone will reply saying - "porting ROM is not a big deal, this is how you do it"
- Herojit

herojits said:
Sorry everyone for the irrelevant post again.
I was hoping that someone will reply saying - "porting ROM is not a big deal, this is how you do it"
- Herojit
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Say what?
What's with your post?

OP. I'll port Android on HD2 for you for $50. You gotta send me your phone tho.
I am a tek savy guy too. I fix microwaves!

FloatHeavy said:
OP. I'll port Android on HD2 for you for $50. You gotta send me your phone tho.
I am a tek savy guy too. I fix microwaves!
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Epic fail.

one thing that has been alittle pain is how the albums are viewed. i created an album for videos, yet when i view I can't have a name of the file visable, just a thumbnail. that doesn't work well at all. works fine with pictures cuz what you see is what you. videos start with a black screen; becomes a guessing game. am i missing something?

[Q] Any Development for porting WM7 into HD2?

hey there,
i was looking at windows 7 area but little confusing if those for HD2 or not? so is there any posssible way to port WM7 into USA Tmobile HD2? if is then please provide the links, files and details procedure. im a begineer person in all these stuff. need help. thanx

Ishtiak said:
hey there,
i was looking at windows 7 area but little confusing if those for HD2 or not? so is there any posssible way to port WM7 into USA Tmobile HD2? if is then please provide the links, files and details procedure. im a begineer person in all these stuff. need help. thanx
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Use search button and learn or your gonna end up bricking or soft bricking your phone .
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App

HD2 will fully support Windows 7. It is a supported phone and meets the requirments for buttons, resolution, memory, and speed.
T-Mobile will be releasing a free upgrade to Windows 7 later this year for the HD2. Not sure about others but I am sure the chefs will present 7.0 - I am personally not that excited about it.

free_loaderz said:
HD2 will fully support Windows 7. It is a supported phone and meets the requirments for buttons, resolution, memory, and speed.
T-Mobile will be releasing a free upgrade to Windows 7 later this year for the HD2. Not sure about others but I am sure the chefs will present 7.0 - I am personally not that excited about it.
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Really, this is the first I've heard of that. Where did you hear/read that from?

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Really, this is the first I've heard of that. Where did you hear/read that from?
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It's not..... this thread should probably be closed and free_loaderz be banned...
All the information regarding Windows Phone 7 and HD2 is plastered all over the stickies in the 7 forums. You can't miss it if you know how to read.
Here
And here
Doesn't even require a search it's a sticky right on the top..... come on now.

"Windows 7" is an operating system for PCs.
What is "WM7"?

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"Windows 7" is an operating system for PCs.
What is "WM7"?
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It is actually Windows Phone 7

Just the facts folks:
T-Mobile or HTC ARE NOT RELEASING WP7 FOR THE HD2 OR ANY OTHER CURRENT DEVICE
WP7 IS being developed for the HD2....but we don't know if/or it will fully function
Asking for a WP7 ROM or release is grounds for a moderator warning
Please stop posting threads about this.

For further discussion please post in this thread.

It's real, check this out...
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/06/htc-hd2-runs-windows-phone-7-makes-us-yearn-for-more-video/

It's awesome. I'm waiting new ROM's with WM7 soon for HD2

calc said:
It's not..... this thread should probably be closed and free_loaderz be banned...
All the information regarding Windows Phone 7 and HD2 is plastered all over the stickies in the 7 forums. You can't miss it if you know how to read.
Doesn't even require a search it's a sticky right on the top..... come on now.
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Yeah but you have to admit, this looks to be a marketing ploy to push people into buying the new phones rather than buying the HD2 or equivalent and installing 7 at the time of release. Eventually, basing this assumption on track records and past experience, they will probably release a downloadable installer for those who meet the minimum requirements. But saying that the phone won't see an upgraded OS because of two extra buttons sounds absurd to me.
The MS devs probably also need to focus on a certain hardware set initially and after bugs are corrected we will probably see OS upgrades available, like they were hinting at before all the hype and hoopla. I don't see why you would suggest banning someone for curiosity, sure this is probably annoying to read over and over. But people are excited and you can't blame them.

WP7 will never come to legacy devices...it's been said by HTC and Microsoft both that legacy devices will never get official WP7 upgrades. People that keep hopeing for official updates really need to embrace reality.

I hope some dev about WM7.

Sorry I see now where to post further about this topic.

you taking this way to serious its just questions. you are typing like u mad over there. WE ARE NOT ALL COMPUTER GEEKS like you. chill out and help out or just keep it to yourself really.

This question has been asked HUNDREDS of times though, thats the problem. People don't understand patience.
1000th post w00t w00t!

The HTC Developer Center

http://twitter.com/#!/htcdev
http://www.htcdev.com/devcenter
I think that these developers must be able to help us! Do not know which strategy should be best to use;
-we all go and flood on Twiter
-xdadevelopers schlund, munjeni, derefas to ask specific assistance.
-all of us sent mail and ask them to sell us Android for hd mini.
...but a damned possibility must exist
We have more than enough arguments, we want Android on HTC HD Mini.
We tried alone, Microsoft has gone, as if we did not buy phones.

lol
they don't give a f***
btw this is development forum..so let's keep it clean for developers,ok?

I agree but there must be a way to change that, if we try together.
Where to write about this if not here?

bas.bas said:
I agree but there must be a way to change that, if we try together.
no..as i said is not any way,HTC is focusing on building new devices,not on porting Android on HTC HD Mini(apart from that this will be a silly request lol )
Where to write about this if not here?
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We have General Forum here

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We have General Forum here
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Now I can not change, you must contact wardfan220. If you have a solution about Thread topic would be happy to hear and if not, then nothing.
btw above you quoted me wrong.

would you contact BMW demanding technical details of non user serviceable parts because you want to install an engine that is not supported? I guess not. certain things are not supported for a reason. htc sells hd mini as wm branded phone and there is no way htc will support android on it. possibly due to licensing agreements? lol grow up. hd mini is a failed phone, most of us keep it as a spare/play phone. if you or anybody WANTS working android mobile then buy galaxy s2 or htc hd2. hd mini android development is just crazy and challenging hobby. they finish it when they have time and want it.