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Hey guys i was on twitter and i saw this, basically T-mobile is capping us at 5gb a month of data, and if we exceed this monthly they will slow down our internet speeds to make sure users experience fast speeds all around. Each month is a fresh slate, what does everyone think of this?
Here is the link Data Throttling.
Here is what the article Contains
T-Mobile had become the only top-tier carrier in the US to endorse data throttling over capping back in April, and at the time, we'd thought the feature was being turned on immediately -- but new communication being passed around internally has us thinking that they're just now getting around to flipping the switch. A screen up on TmoNews says that the policy will start this Saturday, October 16, after which exceeding 5GB of data usage in a month will result in "web browsing capabilities... at slower speeds... which will be determined by [the user's] device type." If it's any consolation, the same screen says that less than one percent of users will actually be affected in practice... and something tells us most of you know who you are. But hey, getting throttled is still better than getting slammed with overage, right?
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Personally I don't think its that huge of a deal. I mean really, how many people will use over 5GB of data? I use my HD2 constantly, and barely use more than 1GB a month. And its not like they are making us pay for going over that 5GB, the speed just drops a little bit...so all around its not that bad.

i agree too, i just checked my statements and i used around 250mb so i couldn't imagine using 5gb a month either. I wonder what the data speeds will be for those who have gone over 5gb?
I think this is also a way to enforce the lack of tmousa built in wifi tethering.

I am curious, why do you think its a way to enforce the lack of tethering? What do you mean?

ashasaur said:
I am curious, why do you think its a way to enforce the lack of tethering? What do you mean?
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tmobile left out wifi tethering from there stock roms on purpose, they do not want us using their network for other mobile devices. The only way i was able to use wifi tethering was by installing a cab or custom rom. I think we can agree those who use wifi tethering regularly on their phones use much more data monthly, therefore by tmobile imposing this it will act as a cutoff for those using it.

6.3gb soo far this month ... my billing period should end this 18th

RippSpeed said:
6.3gb soo far this month ... my billing period should end this 18th
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let us know what happens next month when you exceed 5gb, i wonder how much they will limit your data speeds.

I exceed 5gb a month but i tether with it all the time, also the HD2 comes already tether ready, just plug it in the computer and select Internet sharing.

went over data limit
well when i went over they sent me a text message saaying i already exeeded my data for the month and my speeds will be reduced. when i first went over i couldnt play youtube and the webites would take a while to load but it aint that bad for me idk if thats the case with anyone else. i use my hd2 to tether alot since i go to school and download a few things here n there.

I read in another post post (op said he works for tmo) that the speed will drop to normal edge connection once you reach the 5 gb cap.
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I use my phone to tether like mad with my laptop (and yes the stock rom includes the tethering option) and i don't see myself over 3GB/mo

jfmckenna said:
i agree too, i just checked my statements and i used around 250mb so i couldn't imagine using 5gb a month either. I wonder what the data speeds will be for those who have gone over 5gb?
I think this is also a way to enforce the lack of tmousa built in wifi tethering.
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right but i said wifi tethering

My buddy broke this cap several times using his g1 and later his click when tethering. He would get the text from t mobile, and his speeds dropped to 50kbps (dial up speeds)
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they should get rid of this rule, i used the teather feture for internet use on my computer, once you go over the speed dropps significatly, i can bearly use my internet on my phone waiting about 2-3 mins or longer for a page to load

yuroko said:
they should get rid of this rule, i used the teather feture for internet use on my computer, once you go over the speed dropps significatly, i can bearly use my internet on my phone waiting about 2-3 mins or longer for a page to load
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you are an "internet abuser", please leave the planet...lol.
I am also throttled until Nov. 1
ttly blows.

anhyeuemmaimai said:
I use my phone to tether like mad with my laptop (and yes the stock rom includes the tethering option) and i don't see myself over 3GB/mo
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Yeah i have noticed the same thing, i tether on occasion. however about 2 months ago i tethered ALL the time just trying to hit that cap to see what would happen and when the bill came i just barely got there about 4.5gb of usage.
Mind you this was doing just about everything high bandwidth i could think of on purpose, tons of youtube videos, etc. the only way i can think of to quickly hit that would be torrenting. if you are torrenting on your cellphone then you deserve to be cut off. Aside from all the data transfer, torrents broadcast tons of smaller packets to many many clients, that has gotta reek havoc with a cellular infrastructure
If youre gona torrent use your land based broadband or your neighbors open wifi, youre a fool if you think somehow they arent going to be able to track you down by your cell phone's IP

d0ug said:
Yeah i have noticed the same thing, i tether on occasion. however about 2 months ago i tethered ALL the time just trying to hit that cap to see what would happen and when the bill came i just barely got there about 4.5gb of usage.
Mind you this was doing just about everything high bandwidth i could think of on purpose, tons of youtube videos, etc. the only way i can think of to quickly hit that would be torrenting. if you are torrenting on your cellphone then you deserve to be cut off. Aside from all the data transfer, torrents broadcast tons of smaller packets to many many clients, that has gotta reek havoc with a cellular infrastructure
If youre gona torrent use your land based broadband or your neighbors open wifi, youre a fool if you think somehow they arent going to be able to track you down by your cell phone's IP
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I watch youtube, visit forums, and download tweaks from xda.
I doubt you guys are trying as hard as you claim to max out your gigz.
I use this phone to surf the net because holding a sleeping baby does not work sitting in front of a conventional p.c. or laptop.
They like to be walked around, and will awaken if you stop or sit down...
This is the best way to surf...well used to be.

kidrythm said:
I watch youtube, visit forums, and download tweaks from xda.
I doubt you guys are trying as hard as you claim to max out your gigz.
I use this phone to surf the net because holding a sleeping baby does not work sitting in front of a conventional p.c. or laptop.
They like to be walked around, and will awaken if you stop or sit down...
This is the best way to surf...well used to be.
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walking a sleeping baby... sounds like youre at home, so why not use wifi? it would likely be faster than 3g, and prob save your battery some too, since wifi at most transmits a quarter watt, vs a cellular radio broadcasting a watt or more. If you dont have a wifi AP, spend $50 on a new one, or you can probably pickup a used B access point from ebay for like $5 which would be more than adequate for the HD2

d0ug said:
walking a sleeping baby... sounds like youre at home, so why not use wifi? it would likely be faster than 3g, and prob save your battery some too, since wifi at most transmits a quarter watt, vs a cellular radio broadcasting a watt or more. If you dont have a wifi AP, spend $50 on a new one, or you can probably pickup a used B access point from ebay for like $5 which would be more than adequate for the HD2
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good point, we are hardwired here but going wifi for the phone is a thought with the tethering in play.
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Slow data on 3g Simple Mobile

I have simple mobile on this mytouch slide and since friday the data has been very slow, before friday i would normally get over 1500k but since i cant pass 250k. any ideas? On my vibrant with a diferent sim card i get 4000k easy.

ericm115 said:
I have simple mobile on this mytouch slide and since friday the data has been very slow, before friday i would normally get over 1500k but since i cant pass 250k. any ideas? On my vibrant with a diferent sim card i get 4000k easy.
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Maybe they're throttling the speed, but have you changed roms recently or anything special. You can always call your provider to ask them about the speed.

From what i hear, their unlimited data is capped to 1gb?.... the is what kept me from switching lol.

From what i hear is it is indeed unlimitied data. I think the Simple Mobile $60 plan used to be for 1GB of data but recently got changed to unlimited data.
The current plan is indeed unlimited but if you are caught deviating from the terms of use (i.e tethering, downloading torrents and files from peer to peer) they will either restrict your data or disconnect it.
If you use the data for your phone it is truly unlimited.

You should check with their customer care, I work for T-Mobile and I remember reading something about how they can add a throttle feature and you have to call to have it removed. It won't drop off when the bill cycle switches.
Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide using XDA App

Ace42 said:
Maybe they're throttling the speed, but have you changed roms recently or anything special. You can always call your provider to ask them about the speed.
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I too am in the same boat, I did change ROM, and suddenly my data got very slow. I called simple mobile to check if I was getting throttled or anything, they told me I was not getting throttled.
It's puzzling me what might be the reason for this, is this because I changed a ROM?

i called them and complained about slow data speed, agent just "rebooted" my account and speed went back

ericm115 said:
I have simple mobile on this mytouch slide and since friday the data has been very slow, before friday i would normally get over 1500k but since i cant pass 250k.
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Dude! Same thing here and I haven't done anything!
To me it started happening like last Friday or since Thursday.
My speed is like 0.18 down.
I restored a nandroid and still same thing, I switched to another rom, and still same thing >:S
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My phone gets "Throttled down" around the 15th as I go over 5gig worth of data...and paying 39.99 for Unlimited Data...WTF?!

I am facing the same issue on Simplemobile. I do some (light weight) tethering to browse my emails etc.
Suddenly last week (Mar 15, 2011) my phone internet speed reduced drastically. Most webpages pages started timing out. Internet basically becomes unusable.
I am start of my billing cycle and have only used 200MB of data. I have never exceeded 1GB in a month.
The only reason I moved to simpleMobile was so that I could use the 'unlimited' data plan.
What to do now? I guess time to move on to other more welcoming providers ?

I was trying to see how much data i could use up before simple mobile decided to throttle down or interrupt my data services so I started watching a lot videos on youtube, movies and i even did some light tethering. So a couple days ago after I hit the 2GB mark my internet slowed down to a crawl.
I still have the H icon but the internet is very slow, I've called them 4 times; they have restarted my data services more than once but it's still slow so today they just created a ticket with their technical support team and the rep said they'd call me withing a couple of days. So let's just wait and see.

Using speedtest.net app, I'm seeing between 1.50mbps-2.70mbps SOMEtimes in the 3.00mbps range. Most I've gotten since I rooted was 3.96mbps and upload is usually always around 1.30mbps. Is this normal for 3G? I don't remember what my results were pre root, but I think I was getting at least 5mbps download. Also I updated to the latest froyo 7.15 blah blah radio, and I see no difference. Supposedly your supposed to get better service and faster 3G. That's not the case for me. Seems the same as always. I'm not using simple im using tmobile us epc.tmobile.com since it was checked on default

Same here. As soon as I hit 2 gb my speed went down. I was listening Pandora, watching YOUTUBE, now I have to wait 2-3 minutes for just for google search page to load! It is complete BS - UNLIMITED, dah?!! Let's all of us who experience problems just file BBB complains under FALSE advertising.

I flashed back to the older radio that the stock slide uses. I get better speeds on it.

This morning I received a text from Simple:
Your Simple Mobile Data service is at risk of being suspended due to violation of terms and conditions.
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I checked my account and saw that I had used just over 2gb worth of data. I began the plan (firs time doing unlimited, had just bought an android and killed H2o's(at the time) 50mb limit in 2 days) on the 9th of this month (18 days ago) and was absolutely thrilled at my new Android + Simple experience.
I rooted a G1 I bought and will admit I tethered. I enjoyed bragging about my Android feeding my Chumby, netbook and my girlfriends Phone and how "I *WAS* the internet". This seriously damaged my droid ego.
It was the first month having it and I did do some pretty heavy compared to what I would normally do downloading so I think I can get by on the measly 2gb of bandwidth you get but I don't want to get stuck at the slow speed I've heard mentioned before.
Am I doomed? If it's like this I'd rather go with H2o's 50 plan since it has better coverage and the picture messages are unlimited, not taken out of the 100mb bandwidth. IF it's an unwritten rule not to go over 2gb I can deal, 3 would be friggin perfect though.

Simple Mobile New 2G "unlimited" plan
Have been using Simple Mob for a while with their $60 plan, in June I went abroad, and since they do not have roaming, decided to move to the $50 plan. Now I’m back, and while away they changed the $50 plan from 100 Mb to “2G unlimited”….that is just insane. 2G might be good enough for IM, chatting, and nothing else, and doing that you will never go beyond 100MB, unless you have the patience to wait forever for pictures lo download when surfing any web site.
Now I’m stuck until my new cycle, which will start in 20 days!!! I have called to complain, and they aren’t willing to do anything. At least they should refund me $10 since I can’t use their lousy 2G, and that’s what costs to have Voice + Text, well that didn’t work either.
Arguments were: “we are trying to give our customers the best value for their money….and if you have an AT&T phone you can’t get 3G, so that’s why we created this plan”….. Well that wasn’t a creation, that was an unfair modification, IMO. Very disappointed, with their lack of willingness to help.

ekmenet said:
Have been using Simple Mob for a while with their $60 plan, in June I went abroad, and since they do not have roaming, decided to move to the $50 plan. Now I’m back, and while away they changed the $50 plan from 100 Mb to “2G unlimited”….that is just insane. 2G might be good enough for IM, chatting, and nothing else, and doing that you will never go beyond 100MB, unless you have the patience to wait forever for pictures lo download when surfing any web site.
Now I’m stuck until my new cycle, which will start in 20 days!!! I have called to complain, and they aren’t willing to do anything. At least they should refund me $10 since I can’t use their lousy 2G, and that’s what costs to have Voice + Text, well that didn’t work either.
Arguments were: “we are trying to give our customers the best value for their money….and if you have an AT&T phone you can’t get 3G, so that’s why we created this plan”….. Well that wasn’t a creation, that was an unfair modification, IMO. Very disappointed, with their lack of willingness to help.
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What there not telling you (prob because they have no clue) is that the 2g plan falls under the "throttled" profiles on the epc apn (slotted throttling to hold you near 50kbps)
edge @ ~<300kbps is technically 2.5g tech (to simple that is)... cs and pr forget to mention that

wow what the hell???????? i have a sidekick 4g rooted and on custom rom gingerbread clone v2 and my speedtest is download: 0.12mbps upload: 0.14mbps... thats bull... everytime i try to watch youtube off wifi on my data it lags and freezes all the time.. it takes like 10mins to watch a 2 min video... is there a way to fix that????

Possible reason for slow data speeds on Simple Mobile
Seems like this is an older thread but on the same topic that has yet to have an answer or solution.
Since I've come into the same problem, I thought I would repost what I found out today on this topic.
Finally spoke to someone at Simple Mobile tech support that was able to tell me something that makes sense. At least in my case and it may be the issue for others as well.
I switched my SIM from a Verizon Motorola Droid 2 Global, that only supports EDGE / 2G connection to a Tmobile Sidekick 4G. Which is considered a Samsung Galaxy S 4G.
Well the problem is that it connects at 4G and since I am on the $40, when it does try to connect to the towers I am not authorized for 4G, so it automatically throttles me to 119..
He suggested I toggle 4G off and connect 3G and I should get full speeds... My problem now is that this phone doesn't have an option or toggle, that I know of to test.
Perhaps someone else that knows how to toggle a SK4G could give me a hint or someone could put this to the test on their, it would help the rest of us resolve this mystery.
-CC

Simple mobile throttles after 1gb of data per billing cycle.
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[Q] 1.83 Speed still capped?

Anyone else having random upload speed? I will consistently get 5-6mb down, and for a while was getting 1-2mb up. Now Im back to 300 up, while occasionally jumping to 800.

It does appear to be still capped, but now it is capped at 1.275mbps up. I did have some issues last night with it wanting to limit my spead, but it seems to have sorted itself out. It doesn't matter what I do now, I'm stuck at 1.275 max up.

I had this problem with the telstra radio flash and it is the reason I flashed back..wanted to wait for the official hsupa update. Doesn't sound like the problem is fixed in the official update though. My iphone 4 never had it's upload speed dip like the atrix does.

Please go to your dialer and enter *#*#4636#*#*
Under Phone information what does it say for Network type?
This phone, per Motorola, supports up to 14.4 Mbps (down) under HSDPA. HSDPA is limited to ~350Kbps (up) - Most people do not get these speeds on HSDPA for the reason that your carrier does not support 14.4 Mbps HSDPA everywhere. Different locations will be able to support different categories of HSDPA.
HSUPA is the same deal. Same with HSPA+
Also your signal to the tower will have a factor in the actual speeds you are getting, as well as how congested the networks from your phone to the speed test sites are.
From what I've seen, my local provider AT&T is only allowing HSDPA category 4, whereas the phone supports up to category 10. Unsure about HSUPA as Motorola's website says nothing about HSUPA (and I have not had the update yet). However, Wikipedia shows that the Atrix should support up to Category 6 HSUPA once it is enabled through software, which is 5.76 Mbps - it sounds like your local carriers are capping you at Category 3 or less HSUPA.
If other model phones which should support Category 6 HSUPA in your area are getting consistently low speeds in your area as well, it's just your carrier not supporting higher speeds for anyone, hopefully they will upgrade their network. But if those phones are consistently getting much higher speeds (as they should) then your carrier is still discriminating against the Atrix, and capping it at lower speeds. Submit a BBB or equivalent report against the carrier, email your carrier's executive/corporate offices and complain, do not stand for this. This is unfair.
In the past we had uncapped HSDPA speeds (anything higher than HSDPA was limited - not capped, and not all carriers support the higher speed HSDPA in all areas), anyone who was using HSDPA would have gotten the same speed as us. But if we are being capped based on the model of phone using the same protocol/category network as other phones - THIS is unfair.

I'm with Telstra in Australia using an AT&T Atrix running 4.1.83. I used to get ~300Kbps up, and now get ~1.25Mbps up, which would indicate it is still capped, albeit at a higher rate.

ManoloVerg said:
I'm with Telstra in Australia using an AT&T Atrix running 4.1.83. I used to get ~300Kbps up, and now get ~1.25Mbps up, which would indicate it is still capped, albeit at a higher rate.
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I am in the same situation as above with similar results.

I think its a backed thing. I have a inspire too, and am getting pretty much the same results on both.

The upload speeds worked fine for a while. Im in detroit area and I got speedtests of 1.56 U, 5.6 D. It worked fine for a while. Now I can't get obove 0.4 u, but download still goes over 5 mbps. Why. Is it still capped?
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Ill tell you why, because both att and moto are a joke and I will be taking my business elsewere after the disaster this phone has been. God Adam I should have waited for the gsII or sensation.
And the answer to the ops question is yes. These numbers are pathetic compared to the thunderbolt getting over 10/10
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fsturbo15 said:
Ill tell you why, because both att and moto are a joke and I will be taking my business elsewere after the disaster this phone has been. God Adam I should have waited for the gsII or sensation.
And the answer to the ops question is yes. These numbers are pathetic compared to the thunderbolt getting over 10/10
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htc and verizon are a joke idk what you are talking about
the thunderbolt is even more of a joke than my old pos hero

I would rather have unlimited data and over 10/10 internet speeds than capped upload/slow downloads, 2 gb limits, locked bootloader, and crappy voice qaulity.
Oh well though im stuck with this thing now.
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brian2220 said:
htc and verizon are a joke idk what you are talking about
the thunderbolt is even more of a joke than my old pos hero
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I'm not sure what's not to love on Verizon's LTE?
My upload is often faster than your download on AT&T's "4G" phones.
Download often hits 50+mbps... Get real.

Mmhmm.... and how often do you really ever say to yourself "Man... i'm SO glad i'm getting 50mbps so i could download that file on my phone."? Exactly how much could you POSSIBLY download on your phone that 50mbps is that important? It seems to me more like an e-p*nis extension than a necessity. Hell, i hardly ever really find a need for a 15Mbps connection on my computer, except for the rare times i actually need to download a file that's a couple Gigabytes.
Also have to remember that AT&T doesn't even have their 4G network up yet.
And also have to remember.... if you don't have an Atrix... don't like the Atrix.... or don't even use AT&T...... why the f*ck are you even in the Atrix discussion? i smell some troll's a coming.
edit: Oh... and fsturbo.... i don't know where you get the "crappy voice quality". If that's what you're experiencing... it's more than likely your phone, as many people have discovered. The locked bootloader isn't all that bad, and will probably be cracked sometime soon-ish. And... i'm pretty sure Verizon is also ditching the unlimited data packages in exchange for a tiered platform just like AT&T did.
On another note... you MIGHT want to leave the "i'd rather have unlimited data" arguement to those who uuh... DON'T have unlimited data. I do... and i'm pretty sure there's quite a few here that do, too.

elementaldragon said:
Mmhmm.... and how often do you really ever say to yourself "Man... i'm SO glad i'm getting 50mbps so i could download that file on my phone."? Exactly how much could you POSSIBLY download on your phone that 50mbps is that important? It seems to me more like an e-p*nis extension than a necessity. Hell, i hardly ever really find a need for a 15Mbps connection on my computer, except for the rare times i actually need to download a file that's a couple Gigabytes.
Also have to remember that AT&T doesn't even have their 4G network up yet.
And also have to remember.... if you don't have an Atrix... don't like the Atrix.... or don't even use AT&T...... why the f*ck are you even in the Atrix discussion? i smell some troll's a coming.
edit: Oh... and fsturbo.... i don't know where you get the "crappy voice quality". If that's what you're experiencing... it's more than likely your phone, as many people have discovered. The locked bootloader isn't all that bad, and will probably be cracked sometime soon-ish. And... i'm pretty sure Verizon is also ditching the unlimited data packages in exchange for a tiered platform just like AT&T did.
On another note... you MIGHT want to leave the "i'd rather have unlimited data" arguement to those who uuh... DON'T have unlimited data. I do... and i'm pretty sure there's quite a few here that do, too.
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Oh well, our perception of a mobile smart phone is definitely different. I see it as a cable modem in my pocket, always ready to connect to my laptop and tether. If not, EVERYTHING on my phone is snappy, don't have to wait to buffer, or ever use WiFi. And noone is putting limits on how much data I'm gonna be using, or capping my upload speeds.
Per AT&T's PR CES announcement (January 6th 2011), they HAVE their "4G" deployed to ~100% of their footprint. Now, the fact that they call 4G deployed jsut because the software is enable is something the customers should question not me. But if you're happy, I guess it's all good.
And I don't mind Atrix. Not a bad phone. Motorola certainly ain't my favorite but there is no denying that Atrix is a powerful phone. Too bad the network is pulling the whole experience down.

Well.... "powerful phone" and "fast network" are two different sides of the table, really. And i don't recall seeing any statement about their 4G deployment other than that it's only available in a select few cities at this point in time.
And i guess our ideas of a smartphone ARE different then. I've never thought of my phone, be it my previous iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, or current Atrix, as a multimedia device. Rarely ever watch youtube video's on it. Only ever web browse on it when i'm away from my computer and just want to check something quick, or if i'm driving about and need to find a phone number or something of the sort. Don't have a laptop or much of any portable device other than an Archos 70 250GB tablet... so i don't have much of a need to tether, and as i already mentioned... 15Mbps is fast enough for me on my computer. The one convenience feature i really like with the Atrix is the HDMI output. Nice to sometimes pop a video onto my phone to play it on the TV. Then again... my Archos tablet can do the same thing... and has 250GB of storage space.... so even that's a toss up as to which i'd rather use.
So i'd say the network pulling the experience down is arguable. Just about the only thing Verizon has going for them over the Atrix is LTE. If you're not a major speed freak, which i don't imagine makes up the majority of users, then it's not really all that different between the two.

Would be good if someone running the leaked Telstra SBF on a non-AT&T network (preferably Telstra) could post their results. That would confirm that there is something in 4.1.83 that is limiting uploads to ~1.25Mbps.
As I said before, I am using 4.1.83 on an AT&T Atrix on Telstra's network. I know Telstra is capable of much more than 1.25Mbps upload speed, so something on the phone must be limiting it.

yeah, I'm not sure what is going on. Sometimes I can't get above 300kbps upload, and sometimes I get above 1.25Mbps
just before the below test, I got 2.5 Mbps down and 231 kbps up...
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jimmer411 said:
Anyone else having random upload speed? I will consistently get 5-6mb down, and for a while was getting 1-2mb up. Now Im back to 300 up, while occasionally jumping to 800.
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These are my speeds...
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elementaldragon said:
Well.... "powerful phone" and "fast network" are two different sides of the table, really. And i don't recall seeing any statement about their 4G deployment other than that it's only available in a select few cities at this point in time.
And i guess our ideas of a smartphone ARE different then. I've never thought of my phone, be it my previous iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, or current Atrix, as a multimedia device. Rarely ever watch youtube video's on it. Only ever web browse on it when i'm away from my computer and just want to check something quick, or if i'm driving about and need to find a phone number or something of the sort. Don't have a laptop or much of any portable device other than an Archos 70 250GB tablet... so i don't have much of a need to tether, and as i already mentioned... 15Mbps is fast enough for me on my computer. The one convenience feature i really like with the Atrix is the HDMI output. Nice to sometimes pop a video onto my phone to play it on the TV. Then again... my Archos tablet can do the same thing... and has 250GB of storage space.... so even that's a toss up as to which i'd rather use.
So i'd say the network pulling the experience down is arguable. Just about the only thing Verizon has going for them over the Atrix is LTE. If you're not a major speed freak, which i don't imagine makes up the majority of users, then it's not really all that different between the two.
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To me a bigger argument is what is special about the dual core phone at this point in time? What do you plan on doing on your phone that will absolutely give you amazing experience and speed over your previous Apple products?
And why is that more important to you than AT&T's network that's clearly a bottleneck for the overall user experience in the age where everything depends on the internet latency and network QoS?

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To me a bigger argument is what is special about the dual core phone at this point in time? What do you plan on doing on your phone that will absolutely give you amazing experience and speed over your previous Apple products?
And why is that more important to you than AT&T's network that's clearly a bottleneck for the overall user experience in the age where everything depends on the internet latency and network QoS?
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Makes my e penis look huge..
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Kinda sucks!
You don't realize how much data you use when you have such a fast connection..
I barely used the damn thing
So, when I get to 5GB, will it stop saying 4G on the top and show 1x ?
Will I at least be able to send text messatges?

Armageddon my friend....be prepared.
In all seriousness chill out, the only thing that will happen is your speeds will be reduced dramatically, slower than edge speeds. It will still display "4g" though keep in mind we don't even have true 4g so get that out of your head. Messages and data don't have anything to do with each other unless were dealing with mms, then at which point you will still receive but the transfer speed will be super slow. My recommendation for when you get capped....force your phone on edge
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iLeopard said:
Armageddon my friend....be prepared.
In all seriousness chill out, the only thing that will happen is your speeds will be reduced dramatically, slower than edge speeds. It will still display "4g" though keep in mind we don't even have true 4g so get that out of your head. Messages and data don't have anything to do with each other unless were dealing with mms, then at which point you will still receive but the transfer speed will be super slow. My recommendation for when you get capped....force your phone on edge
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You can call our data speeds "HOBO G"
I don't care if someone says its not true 4G, who ever said what was true or not anyway?
I couldn't ask for anything really better than this
sure LTE can do much more, but I get those speeds almost EVERYWHERE!!
True 4G or not, It's as fast, so why even bother saying its not "true" 4g, lol

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I don't care if someone says its not true 4G, who ever said what was true or not anyway?
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the ITU, who decides these standards. basically after they put together the 4g standard tmob and att *****ed (and probably paid a good amount of money) to have 'advanced 3g' included as '4g'.
to the op, you may not get throttled the first time or the second, you'll get sms messages saying you are throttled. when you are actually throttled, you can expect 64kbps max. it's absolutely useless.

How do you use so much data?

I kinda disgree with LTE being able to much more atleast, at the rev Verizon has theirs. I have a mifi from them and the only difference I see is upload is better 6megs usually. Then again their network goes down at least twice a month or when they have a new LTE phone to market. Download is usually about the same if not better or I should more sustained if your tethering then on my mifi. Its both a race and frankly I was kinda disappointed to hear the CEO of T-Mobile say the were going to use some the 4bill to deploy LTE. HSPA has a long way to go before it needs replacing.
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MarsHD2 said:
How do you use so much data?
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i easily can kill my allotted 4G speeds with Spotify and "Play Music".
After you go over your 5gb, your speeds will be practically unusable for any thing outside email.

minotauri said:
i easily can kill my allotted 4G speeds with Spotify and "Play Music".
After you go over your 5gb, your speeds will be practically unusable for any thing outside email.
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this. in my experience, it takes streaming music through 'play music' one hour per day to hit 5GB in 30 days.

casperi said:
I kinda disgree with LTE being able to much more atleast, at the rev Verizon has theirs. I have a mifi from them and the only difference I see is upload is better 6megs usually. Then again their network goes down at least twice a month or when they have a new LTE phone to market. Download is usually about the same if not better or I should more sustained if your tethering then on my mifi. Its both a race and frankly I was kinda disappointed to hear the CEO of T-Mobile say the were going to use some the 4bill to deploy LTE. HSPA has a long way to go before it needs replacing.
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you must have never used ATT LTE... that **** wipes the floor with us. However, I always say.. why do you want to download so fast with an expensive data plan as theirs lol.

So Treo how fast is fast on ATT? and how long is that going to last since there are very few people with LTE enabled devices on ATT. I can pretty much say that when the new iPhone comes out with LTE on ATT their network will be flooded. VZW network was bleeding fast when it first came out too. Which begs the question how fast is to fast. Cell phones have already past 6 bonded t1s. "9" megs 10 megs is the starter package for those putting thier svrs in a data center. Is 20 megs down not enough?
In atl ATT thier dsl isn't even that fast. 6 megs is all you get. You have to step up to u-puke to get 24 megs down. That's wireline service with tv so at this point even at HSPA we are ahead which is amazing but the user isn't going to see the download speed as much surfing or checking email even netflix works fine at 4 megs. What the user "us" notice is lag when doing all the above minus netflix. The only thing other than this is if your downloading a large file etc and at that point one has to ask if that file would have been better downloaded to a laptop or desktop or if its a PowerPoint sales file or employee reviews doc etc then there's security questions involved as well that are much more easily handled on a laptop.
So at the end of all this how fast to u is fast enough. What speed do u need to be able to get all of your mobile life in a month done?
Also its usually the 3rd month your cap kicks in unless your just massively abusive. Say like hitting your cap 5 days into your billing cycle two months running. The 2gig plan their less forgiving. Just try to use WiFi as much as u can.
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casperi said:
So Treo how fast is fast on ATT? and how long is that going to last since there are very few people with LTE enabled devices on ATT. I can pretty much say that when the new iPhone comes out with LTE on ATT their network will be flooded. VZW network was bleeding fast when it first came out too. Which begs the question how fast is to fast. Cell phones have already past 6 bonded t1s. "9" megs 10 megs is the starter package for those putting thier svrs in a data center. Is 20 megs down not enough?
In atl ATT thier dsl isn't even that fast. 6 megs is all you get. You have to step up to u-puke to get 24 megs down. That's wireline service with tv so at this point even at HSPA we are ahead which is amazing but the user isn't going to see the download speed as much surfing or checking email even netflix works fine at 4 megs. What the user "us" notice is lag when doing all the above minus netflix. The only thing other than this is if your downloading a large file etc and at that point one has to ask if that file would have been better downloaded to a laptop or desktop or if its a PowerPoint sales file or employee reviews doc etc then there's security questions involved as well that are much more easily handled on a laptop.
So at the end of all this how fast to u is fast enough. What speed do u need to be able to get all of your mobile life in a month done?
Casperi
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Well it really depends on the area, but at very strong places it ranges up to about 60+ down and 25+ up...
but their averages is about half of that 30+ and 12-15 up
Our phone peaked i think around 24? I don't remember seeing anyone getting much higher. Not sure about upload speed but it was single digit thats for sure.
our average would be in the teens for download 10-15. Yes we can get higher but their average is about doubled ours..
not sure why you're asking me how fast is too fast? and how fast is fast enough? I don't think I made any points or argument about that... lol I only said that with such a high speed data, but only with like 4gb average data plan... yeah...
But honestly the t989 data speed is more than enough.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1454576&page=3
I'm sure there are other threads too.

WOW 60 Megs down!! That's is very impressive. Is that just a speed test or a sustained download?.
Edit- Thx for the link, ya we could get there HSPA+ can go to 168.
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WOW 60 Megs down!! That's is very impressive. Is that just a speed test or a sustained download?.
Edit- Thx for the link, ya we could get there HSPA+ can go to 168.
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yeah I was like WTF do you need all that speed for? they have a strong cap on their data plan right? lol
but yeah I'm not too worried about our data speed. I'm more than satisfied with it.
I'm pretty sure most of the measurements is done through speedtest and probably a few through sustained speeds. but I doubt these guys are gonna download a big enough file, see the transfer rate in KBps then change it to kbps (bytes to bits) lol

LOL look.. anything and I mean ANYTHING!! over 5mb/s download is gravy
That being said, i average around 12-15 with peaking at 20
in 3 years, I will bet no LTE will be as available as our HSPA 42+
I drove 400 miles 2 weeks ago and lost service maybe twice for about 10 minutes.
LTE? Wimax? LOL right, you're lucky to have it when you need it.
As for speeds, sure, it's faster but it's a waste, unless you're using it to download torrents, 5 mg down is more than enough to do ANYTHING
And I mean anything, including tethering to a roku device and streaming HD netflix!
As for this being "Fake" it's not, its was approved 4G and that's why t-mobile can call it that, 4G
As for how I use that much data, well its not hard, I bike every day and use a program called sports tracker live, which tracks my rides, I also sometimes stream slingplayer to listen to the news while riding.
I stream music every so often, I tether to my Xoom or Ipad if I'm out and about.
It's so darn easy to use the data when you have the speeds.
I'm at 98% now and have yet to get a text or email, should I try the throttle trick?

Yes, your speed will be reduced a lot, but no extra cost I think

I wonder
I'm wondering if anyone else has what I have.
When I took a look at the OP screen shot I noticed there was as asterisk that showed the 5gb high speed limit. So I logged into my Tmo account to check mine because I am running a custom ROM and dont have the Tmo app installed.
My sis line(1yr old) says "Data: 1.4 GB / Unlimited (up to 5 GB high-speed data)"
Mine line(12yrs old) says "Data: 3.9 GB / Unlimited", there is no asterisk that states I have a 5gb high speed limit or any mention of a limit at all.
I have been with Tmo for 12yrs(since VoiceStream) and never changed my number. I have had this data plan for I dont remember how many years, but I know it was before they started talking this "high speed cap" thing. Does anyone think I may not have a "high speed cap". Can someone else log into their Tmo account online, and see what yours says?

You might have been "grandfathered" into their unlimited plan. I know Verizon was doing the same thing right before I switched to their plan.
Verizon was unlimited before, they announced they were capping their plans and if you had a plan before that date you were grandfathered in. I'm thinking that is what happened to you.
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icky2g said:
I'm wondering if anyone else has what I have.
When I took a look at the OP screen shot I noticed there was as asterisk that showed the 5gb high speed limit. So I logged into my Tmo account to check mine because I am running a custom ROM and dont have the Tmo app installed.
My sis line(1yr old) says "Data: 1.4 GB / Unlimited (up to 5 GB high-speed data)"
Mine line(12yrs old) says "Data: 3.9 GB / Unlimited", there is no asterisk that states I have a 5gb high speed limit or any mention of a limit at all.
I have been with Tmo for 12yrs(since VoiceStream) and never changed my number. I have had this data plan for I dont remember how many years, but I know it was before they started talking this "high speed cap" thing. Does anyone think I may not have a "high speed cap". Can someone else log into their Tmo account online, and see what yours says?
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My response above was supposed to be a reply to this post. Sorry.
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Uncarrier-> "21GB Softcap"

Looks like John Legere just said, "hahaha sucka.. you've been baited to our unlimited data cap"
It has come to our attention over the past few days – thanks to a couple of our readers – that T-Mobile has changed the fine print to its unlimited 4G LTE Simple Choice plans. Head on over to the individual plans or family plans page on T-Mobile’s website and you’ll see the following short line added at the bottom of the page:
“*Unlimited 4G LTE customers who use more than 21 GB of data in a bill cycle will have their data usage de-prioritized compared to other customers for that bill cycle at locations and times when competing network demands occur, resulting in relatively slower speeds.”
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http://www.tmonews.com/2015/06/21gb...mobiles-unlimited-4g-lte-simple-choice-plans/
What are you thoughts?
I avg 35-45gb a month. But how do we know if our area is congested?
Legere has been bashing other companies about their throttle, but yet he's doing the same thing.

twe90kid said:
What are you thoughts?
I avg 35-45gb a month.
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What and how much are you downloading?

twe90kid said:
Looks like John Legere just said, "hahaha sucka.. you've been baited to our unlimited data cap"
http://www.tmonews.com/2015/06/21gb...mobiles-unlimited-4g-lte-simple-choice-plans/
What are you thoughts?
I avg 35-45gb a month. But how do we know if our area is congested?
Legere has been bashing other companies about their throttle, but yet he's doing the same thing.
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Not trying to pick a fight, but I'd like to hear how you consistently use that much data on your phone. I'd consider myself a heavy user, and I do break the tethering rules a few times a week, and I don't think I've ever passed 20GB in a month.

ummduh said:
Not trying to pick a fight, but I'd like to hear how you consistently use that much data on your phone. I'd consider myself a heavy user, and I do break the tethering rules a few times a week, and I don't think I've ever passed 20GB in a month.
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A fight it is, lol. But seriously is not about how much data someone's uses but if this is true then it's the fact that John goes around bashing AT&T and Verizon but then pulls this $hit. How much data you use is non of my business but have you ever watch a 5 min YouTube video in 1080 or 1440? There goes about half a Gb.

ummduh said:
Not trying to pick a fight, but I'd like to hear how you consistently use that much data on your phone. I'd consider myself a heavy user, and I do break the tethering rules a few times a week, and I don't think I've ever passed 20GB in a month.
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Breaking 30 - 40 GB is easy depending where you are. Last year I took a family vacation to Disney World and forgot to bring my laptop to store each days videos and pictures. At the time I had a G3 and wife had a Note 3.
At the end of the day our phones would be out of storage when recording videos in 4K and taking pictures in max resolution. Our only two options for making storage space available was to either buy storage for our phones or to upload everything to google drive, dropbox, youtube, box .... Having the unlimited dataplan, why not use it and just upload everything each night so we can clear our phones the next day. Doing this over five days four nights we used over 80 GB of data combined (all videos ended up on youtube while phones were saved in the cloud.
We are going to Disney and Universal in a couple weeks and I plan on doing this again. Outside of special occasions like this, I think we used between 6 and 10 GB combined a month.

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Breaking 30 - 40 GB is easy depending where you are. Last year I took a family vacation to Disney World and forgot to bring my laptop to store each days videos and pictures. At the time I had a G3 and wife had a Note 3.
At the end of the day our phones would be out of storage when recording videos in 4K and taking pictures in max resolution. Our only two options for making storage space available was to either buy storage for our phones or to upload everything to google drive, dropbox, youtube, box .... Having the unlimited dataplan, why not use it and just upload everything each night so we can clear our phones the next day. Doing this over five days four nights we used over 80 GB of data combined (all videos ended up on youtube while phones were saved in the cloud.
We are going to Disney and Universal in a couple weeks and I plan on doing this again. Outside of special occasions like this, I think we used between 6 and 10 GB combined a month.
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Yup.
With a rooted phone and having xposed. My youtube is set to play 1440P as long as it's available.
I also upload my 4k videos that I record at car events.
Photos that you take are about 5mb each (16mp).

Just streaming music and video daily will easily eat 21 GB in less than two weeks. I have a feeling this might get repealed or changed to 31. At least that's a gig a day. It's kinda hypocritical like people have said. There's some interesting comments on tmonews under the article. This will really screw the commuters in big cities plus those who listen to music or videos via headphones at work etc. I guess we really need to see how it goes because there are a few unanswered questions here like what are the peak times and if this changes from tower to tower after depriorization. We'll have to just see how this affects people.

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Just streaming music and video daily will easily eat 21 GB in less than two weeks. I have a feeling this might get repealed or changed to 31. At least that's a gig a day. It's kinda hypocritical like people have said. There's some interesting comments on tmonews under the article. This will really screw the commuters in big cities plus those who listen to music or videos via headphones at work etc. I guess we really need to see how it goes because there are a few unanswered questions here like what are the peak times and if this changes from tower to tower after depriorization. We'll have to just see how this affects people.
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I still like to know what the deprioritize speed is.. for example, if you hit 21gb. And your in a congested area, what speed are you capped at? 1mbps? 5mbps? 10mbps?
Also, does it mean that if we jump from one network to another network, the prioritizing stops? What happens if we go back to the original network, does it start again?

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I still like to know what the deprioritize speed is.. for example, if you hit 21gb. And your in a congested area, what speed are you capped at? 1mbps? 5mbps? 10mbps?
Also, does it mean that if we jump from one network to another network, the prioritizing stops? What happens if we go back to the original network, does it start again?
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Exactly... Not sure. Some people in the comments on tmonews are clarifying some of those concerns. But really it just seems like speculation so far. I guess we'll see... Not really happy about this myself.

I wouldn't get too upset about it. A good network always has a QOS system in place.
Note that the statement says 'de-prioritized', not throttled. Instead of assigning your account to a lower bandwidth speed, you could be placed in a lower tier in a packet queuing scheduler. This doesn't necessarily limit your bandwidth, it just lets other user's packets go first. When an area is 100% congested, your 'share' of the bandwidth will be less than others. Once there is free network capacity your bandwidth would go back to normal as there would be enough free resources to do so. Realize that network saturation changes by the second, so unless a congested area is constantly overloaded at 100% capacity, you shouldn't experience much speed reduction.
This is completely within the new FCC rules, and is actually a good network management practice.

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I wouldn't get too upset about it. A good network always has a QOS system in place.
Note that the statement says 'de-prioritized', not throttled. Instead of assigning your account to a lower bandwidth speed, you could be placed in a lower tier in a packet queuing scheduler. This doesn't necessarily limit your bandwidth, it just lets other user's packets go first. When an area is 100% congested, your 'share' of the bandwidth will be less than others. Once there is free network capacity your bandwidth would go back to normal as there would be enough free resources to do so. Realize that network saturation changes by the second, so unless a congested area is constantly overloaded at 100% capacity, you shouldn't experience much speed reduction.
This is completely within the new FCC rules, and is actually a good network management practice.
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Yeah it's good in theory (compared to plain throttling) but we haven't really seen it in practical application so far. I live in medium sized city (300 thousand city/1 million metro) and don't have much to worry about really. I have WiFi at work/home and no real excuse to use 60GB a month like I do. Just bad habits. I just have to remember to leave WiFi on lol! No biggie for me. The folks I feel bad for is those who work outside or have no WiFi in office (other than work purposes. Strick company policy a holes etc) and/or commuters that have to ride the subway. I don't really feel sorry for those (and I have a few friends like this) that are too cheap to buy broadband Internet at home. This isn't meant to be a replacement for home Internet unless you have a Hotspot device or whatever they call it these days. I get that. I guess we'll have to see. This plan has been in place a few weeks now. We'll have to see how much it affects people. Hopefully not too much. Good reply though! Clarification is always welcome here:good:

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Yeah it's good in theory (compared to plain throttling) but we haven't really seen it in practical application so far.
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Well, until we get some technical info or some really good test results, we won't know exactly what they are using. Though priority queuing and class based queuing are common in today's networks. I can guarantee they are already using hierarchical fair service curves as it is pretty much required for the HD voice feature to be reliable.
If this system is already in place, then they probably are not using regular throttling tiers, as I am well past the soft cap and am still putting down 80/20 speed. Though I am most likely in an un-congested area. I am wondering just how weighted the de-prioritization scale is for users above the cap.

I use alot of data (70gb) one month that was the most extreme. I download alot of movies and torrents while i sleep. Theres know doubt in my mind that they mess with my speeds especially during peak hours. I with search and get lte then 5 seconds later it drops down. I will search and get it again and the same thing will happen. Meanwhile my wifes phone stays on lte. I also noticed at times ill be on lte but will only be downloading at 100 or 200 kbs where im normally at 1 mbs. But like i said it's usually only at peak hours and lasts for 30min to a hour

twe90kid said:
Looks like John Legere just said, "hahaha sucka.. you've been baited to our unlimited data cap"
http://www.tmonews.com/2015/06/21gb...mobiles-unlimited-4g-lte-simple-choice-plans/
What are you thoughts?
I avg 35-45gb a month. But how do we know if our area is congested?
Legere has been bashing other companies about their throttle, but yet he's doing the same thing.
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Wait, this is just now making news? That's been in their fine print for almost a year now ever since they started their unlimited data campaign.
I average about 150-200GBs a month on my line alone. I really heavily on my phones data for everything I do while I'm not at home. Sometimes even when I'm home I'll use data just for the heck of it.
T-Mobile is throttling but not as rampant as the other carriers. T-Mobile's throttling depends on network congestion. Other carriers just throttle once you hit a certain number.
There really isn't a way to tell though if your area is heavily congested unless it's a major city; i.e Denver Metro, Manhattan, LA, etc etc.

I am very torn by this as I live in a congested neighborhood that this cap is designed to manage. The tower that serves my neighborhood is oversold. I routinely suffer from slow network speeds on the best of days and I personally have never used enough data to hit the cap. So on one hand, I certainly want my fellow users capped if they are data hogs as bandwidth is very constrained in my local neck of the woods. On the other hand, because my tower is so congested, if I did hit the cap and was de-prioritized, I would immediately hit 2G speeds because there is so much traffic to compete with. So T-Mobile has essentially told me that I have a 21GB data plan as in my neighborhood I will never get more.
With that figure in mind, I have to say that a 15GB plan from Verizon that actually would give me decent speed now seems not so far off from my 21GB "unlimited" plan. T-Mobile is supposed to be adding bandwidth in my neighborhood, but it is no longer a comparison of XGB vs unlimited, but XGB vs 21GB. Verizon and for that matter, Sprint (yes, I know) are offering competitive packages to 21GB and it is possible that even Sprint may give me faster speeds. I am not so sure that I may not make the jump to someone if they can deliver better speeds. For those that live in non-congested neighborhoods, that 21GB cap may never be seen. But in my area, that is a wall.

They are doing what Verizon started doing. Throttling only on congested towers to the top data people. I use to get throttled by Verizon when the Detroit Lions or the Tigers were playing since I work downtown Detroit. Once the games were done I would get better data speeds.
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Using over 80gb a month is taking advantage of a good thing. People who consistently abuse the data limits are the same people who screwed this for everyone. These are the people who feel entitled to abuse every inch they can. Hotels have wifi, there are other ways. I have the unlimited data package fir years, never abused the privilege. Whenever at home I use my wifi even though I have sick DL speeds at home. I will never abuse a situation, just the way I am.
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So sorry that us heavy users misunderstood what unlimited means. Dangit I knew I should have paid more attention in vocabulary class.
Now I just need to remember not to buy that nice car I want because that would taking advantage of a good thing as others aren't buying it.

Not to step on anyone posting, but I believe that T-Mobile is at fault here. Notwithstanding the individuals that break the rules and tether more than the rules allow, T-Mobile sold me an unlimited plan. I have not exceeded the 21GB limit. My data, according to T-Mobile, is at 11GB. But when I subscribed to the unlimited plan, I asked what that meant and I gave some far out there examples (streaming videos 24 hours a day, etc.). I was told by the T-Mobile customer rep, unlimited means unlimited. No sweat.
The problem is that T-Mobile wanted to attract more business and they used and still use unlimited data plans to attract that business and their network wasn't really ready for that level of activity. I read comments to an article as much as 6 months ago that had users saying that T-Mobile's network was, unlike the other carrier's networks, impervious to slowdowns from added traffic which is simply not true.
But I believe T-Mobile has helped build that impression with the selling all of these unlimited data packages. TMONews had an article a couple of weeks ago asking if unlimited data packages are going away and they quoted John Legere saying that unlimited data packages are only guaranteed for 2 more years. (http://www.tmonews.com/2015/05/is-unlimited-data-going-to-disappear/) Then shortly after they announced this cap. The article's point is that unlimited packages are unsustainable. But T-Mobile keeps selling the idea. All carrier's need to sell what they can provide and not promise more than they can deliver. Perhaps they should say no to a new customer that lives in a neighborhood that is oversold. But they won't.
I love T-Mobile, but I experience very slow speeds due to a wildly oversold network. I would have been much better off if T-Mobile only promised what they can deliver. They can't really deliver unlimited to me. What they told me last week is that unlimited is actually 21GB, if you could get 21GB at the slow download speeds they are currently delivering. For the fellow that got 80GB, if he followed the rules, he is paying for an unlimited plan. In my neighborhood, except for DSL that is unusably slow, I have no other options except wireless. No cable, nothing. I am willing to pay for my data needs. But I want and need the data at reasonably fast speeds. It is not clear that in my neighborhood that T-Mobile can deliver. But now that the cap is in place, T-Mobile has made the comparison clearer. Who can deliver 21GB faster, cheaper and more reliably than anyone else. Because in my oversold neighborhood, 21GB is all that I will get. YMMV.

Good luck finding another carrier that will only delay your packets after 21gb when there is congestion instead of crippling access all together. Your situation is unique and the result should be expected. There is nothing a carrier can do if your area is under serviced when it comes to internet access. xanmato completely gets the concept here. This is not a cap, even calling it a soft cap is a bit much. This is Quality of Service (QOS) at its best and T-Mobile shouldnt be slammed for doing this. Just because its unlimited doesn't mean you can go ahead and use it as your sole internet source for everything you ever do. That was never its intended purpose. If everyone used 80gb a month it would cripple any cellular network unless the heavy users had some kind of consequence and maybe make them use their wifi for once. Maybe in the future the cell network or whatever comes after that will be robust enough to handle everyone using large amounts of bandwidth at once but until then we have to respect the fact that a cellular carrier is not the same thing as an ISP