Anyone else having random upload speed? I will consistently get 5-6mb down, and for a while was getting 1-2mb up. Now Im back to 300 up, while occasionally jumping to 800.
It does appear to be still capped, but now it is capped at 1.275mbps up. I did have some issues last night with it wanting to limit my spead, but it seems to have sorted itself out. It doesn't matter what I do now, I'm stuck at 1.275 max up.
I had this problem with the telstra radio flash and it is the reason I flashed back..wanted to wait for the official hsupa update. Doesn't sound like the problem is fixed in the official update though. My iphone 4 never had it's upload speed dip like the atrix does.
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Under Phone information what does it say for Network type?
This phone, per Motorola, supports up to 14.4 Mbps (down) under HSDPA. HSDPA is limited to ~350Kbps (up) - Most people do not get these speeds on HSDPA for the reason that your carrier does not support 14.4 Mbps HSDPA everywhere. Different locations will be able to support different categories of HSDPA.
HSUPA is the same deal. Same with HSPA+
Also your signal to the tower will have a factor in the actual speeds you are getting, as well as how congested the networks from your phone to the speed test sites are.
From what I've seen, my local provider AT&T is only allowing HSDPA category 4, whereas the phone supports up to category 10. Unsure about HSUPA as Motorola's website says nothing about HSUPA (and I have not had the update yet). However, Wikipedia shows that the Atrix should support up to Category 6 HSUPA once it is enabled through software, which is 5.76 Mbps - it sounds like your local carriers are capping you at Category 3 or less HSUPA.
If other model phones which should support Category 6 HSUPA in your area are getting consistently low speeds in your area as well, it's just your carrier not supporting higher speeds for anyone, hopefully they will upgrade their network. But if those phones are consistently getting much higher speeds (as they should) then your carrier is still discriminating against the Atrix, and capping it at lower speeds. Submit a BBB or equivalent report against the carrier, email your carrier's executive/corporate offices and complain, do not stand for this. This is unfair.
In the past we had uncapped HSDPA speeds (anything higher than HSDPA was limited - not capped, and not all carriers support the higher speed HSDPA in all areas), anyone who was using HSDPA would have gotten the same speed as us. But if we are being capped based on the model of phone using the same protocol/category network as other phones - THIS is unfair.
I'm with Telstra in Australia using an AT&T Atrix running 4.1.83. I used to get ~300Kbps up, and now get ~1.25Mbps up, which would indicate it is still capped, albeit at a higher rate.
ManoloVerg said:
I'm with Telstra in Australia using an AT&T Atrix running 4.1.83. I used to get ~300Kbps up, and now get ~1.25Mbps up, which would indicate it is still capped, albeit at a higher rate.
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I am in the same situation as above with similar results.
I think its a backed thing. I have a inspire too, and am getting pretty much the same results on both.
The upload speeds worked fine for a while. Im in detroit area and I got speedtests of 1.56 U, 5.6 D. It worked fine for a while. Now I can't get obove 0.4 u, but download still goes over 5 mbps. Why. Is it still capped?
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Ill tell you why, because both att and moto are a joke and I will be taking my business elsewere after the disaster this phone has been. God Adam I should have waited for the gsII or sensation.
And the answer to the ops question is yes. These numbers are pathetic compared to the thunderbolt getting over 10/10
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Ill tell you why, because both att and moto are a joke and I will be taking my business elsewere after the disaster this phone has been. God Adam I should have waited for the gsII or sensation.
And the answer to the ops question is yes. These numbers are pathetic compared to the thunderbolt getting over 10/10
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htc and verizon are a joke idk what you are talking about
the thunderbolt is even more of a joke than my old pos hero
I would rather have unlimited data and over 10/10 internet speeds than capped upload/slow downloads, 2 gb limits, locked bootloader, and crappy voice qaulity.
Oh well though im stuck with this thing now.
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htc and verizon are a joke idk what you are talking about
the thunderbolt is even more of a joke than my old pos hero
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I'm not sure what's not to love on Verizon's LTE?
My upload is often faster than your download on AT&T's "4G" phones.
Download often hits 50+mbps... Get real.
Mmhmm.... and how often do you really ever say to yourself "Man... i'm SO glad i'm getting 50mbps so i could download that file on my phone."? Exactly how much could you POSSIBLY download on your phone that 50mbps is that important? It seems to me more like an e-p*nis extension than a necessity. Hell, i hardly ever really find a need for a 15Mbps connection on my computer, except for the rare times i actually need to download a file that's a couple Gigabytes.
Also have to remember that AT&T doesn't even have their 4G network up yet.
And also have to remember.... if you don't have an Atrix... don't like the Atrix.... or don't even use AT&T...... why the f*ck are you even in the Atrix discussion? i smell some troll's a coming.
edit: Oh... and fsturbo.... i don't know where you get the "crappy voice quality". If that's what you're experiencing... it's more than likely your phone, as many people have discovered. The locked bootloader isn't all that bad, and will probably be cracked sometime soon-ish. And... i'm pretty sure Verizon is also ditching the unlimited data packages in exchange for a tiered platform just like AT&T did.
On another note... you MIGHT want to leave the "i'd rather have unlimited data" arguement to those who uuh... DON'T have unlimited data. I do... and i'm pretty sure there's quite a few here that do, too.
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Mmhmm.... and how often do you really ever say to yourself "Man... i'm SO glad i'm getting 50mbps so i could download that file on my phone."? Exactly how much could you POSSIBLY download on your phone that 50mbps is that important? It seems to me more like an e-p*nis extension than a necessity. Hell, i hardly ever really find a need for a 15Mbps connection on my computer, except for the rare times i actually need to download a file that's a couple Gigabytes.
Also have to remember that AT&T doesn't even have their 4G network up yet.
And also have to remember.... if you don't have an Atrix... don't like the Atrix.... or don't even use AT&T...... why the f*ck are you even in the Atrix discussion? i smell some troll's a coming.
edit: Oh... and fsturbo.... i don't know where you get the "crappy voice quality". If that's what you're experiencing... it's more than likely your phone, as many people have discovered. The locked bootloader isn't all that bad, and will probably be cracked sometime soon-ish. And... i'm pretty sure Verizon is also ditching the unlimited data packages in exchange for a tiered platform just like AT&T did.
On another note... you MIGHT want to leave the "i'd rather have unlimited data" arguement to those who uuh... DON'T have unlimited data. I do... and i'm pretty sure there's quite a few here that do, too.
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Oh well, our perception of a mobile smart phone is definitely different. I see it as a cable modem in my pocket, always ready to connect to my laptop and tether. If not, EVERYTHING on my phone is snappy, don't have to wait to buffer, or ever use WiFi. And noone is putting limits on how much data I'm gonna be using, or capping my upload speeds.
Per AT&T's PR CES announcement (January 6th 2011), they HAVE their "4G" deployed to ~100% of their footprint. Now, the fact that they call 4G deployed jsut because the software is enable is something the customers should question not me. But if you're happy, I guess it's all good.
And I don't mind Atrix. Not a bad phone. Motorola certainly ain't my favorite but there is no denying that Atrix is a powerful phone. Too bad the network is pulling the whole experience down.
Well.... "powerful phone" and "fast network" are two different sides of the table, really. And i don't recall seeing any statement about their 4G deployment other than that it's only available in a select few cities at this point in time.
And i guess our ideas of a smartphone ARE different then. I've never thought of my phone, be it my previous iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, or current Atrix, as a multimedia device. Rarely ever watch youtube video's on it. Only ever web browse on it when i'm away from my computer and just want to check something quick, or if i'm driving about and need to find a phone number or something of the sort. Don't have a laptop or much of any portable device other than an Archos 70 250GB tablet... so i don't have much of a need to tether, and as i already mentioned... 15Mbps is fast enough for me on my computer. The one convenience feature i really like with the Atrix is the HDMI output. Nice to sometimes pop a video onto my phone to play it on the TV. Then again... my Archos tablet can do the same thing... and has 250GB of storage space.... so even that's a toss up as to which i'd rather use.
So i'd say the network pulling the experience down is arguable. Just about the only thing Verizon has going for them over the Atrix is LTE. If you're not a major speed freak, which i don't imagine makes up the majority of users, then it's not really all that different between the two.
Would be good if someone running the leaked Telstra SBF on a non-AT&T network (preferably Telstra) could post their results. That would confirm that there is something in 4.1.83 that is limiting uploads to ~1.25Mbps.
As I said before, I am using 4.1.83 on an AT&T Atrix on Telstra's network. I know Telstra is capable of much more than 1.25Mbps upload speed, so something on the phone must be limiting it.
yeah, I'm not sure what is going on. Sometimes I can't get above 300kbps upload, and sometimes I get above 1.25Mbps
just before the below test, I got 2.5 Mbps down and 231 kbps up...
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Anyone else having random upload speed? I will consistently get 5-6mb down, and for a while was getting 1-2mb up. Now Im back to 300 up, while occasionally jumping to 800.
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Well.... "powerful phone" and "fast network" are two different sides of the table, really. And i don't recall seeing any statement about their 4G deployment other than that it's only available in a select few cities at this point in time.
And i guess our ideas of a smartphone ARE different then. I've never thought of my phone, be it my previous iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, or current Atrix, as a multimedia device. Rarely ever watch youtube video's on it. Only ever web browse on it when i'm away from my computer and just want to check something quick, or if i'm driving about and need to find a phone number or something of the sort. Don't have a laptop or much of any portable device other than an Archos 70 250GB tablet... so i don't have much of a need to tether, and as i already mentioned... 15Mbps is fast enough for me on my computer. The one convenience feature i really like with the Atrix is the HDMI output. Nice to sometimes pop a video onto my phone to play it on the TV. Then again... my Archos tablet can do the same thing... and has 250GB of storage space.... so even that's a toss up as to which i'd rather use.
So i'd say the network pulling the experience down is arguable. Just about the only thing Verizon has going for them over the Atrix is LTE. If you're not a major speed freak, which i don't imagine makes up the majority of users, then it's not really all that different between the two.
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To me a bigger argument is what is special about the dual core phone at this point in time? What do you plan on doing on your phone that will absolutely give you amazing experience and speed over your previous Apple products?
And why is that more important to you than AT&T's network that's clearly a bottleneck for the overall user experience in the age where everything depends on the internet latency and network QoS?
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To me a bigger argument is what is special about the dual core phone at this point in time? What do you plan on doing on your phone that will absolutely give you amazing experience and speed over your previous Apple products?
And why is that more important to you than AT&T's network that's clearly a bottleneck for the overall user experience in the age where everything depends on the internet latency and network QoS?
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Interesting... I was reading this article (http://androidandme.com/2010/07/car...ons-why-t-mobile-3g-is-better-than-sprint-4g/) that speculates that Sprint will have the slowest speeds by the end of 2011.
Of course, the primary purpose of the article is to pit T-Mobile's 3G against Sprint's 4G... but also goes on to talk about AT&T and Verizon. I'll summarize what I gathered in the article.
Sprint's "4G" WiMax speeds have a theoretical limit of 11 Mpbs. I've personally been able to hit 3 Mbps. Some people on T-Mobile's 3G HSPA+ can apparently hit 5 Mbps with a theoretical limit of 21 Mbps.
AT&T will also upgrade to HSPA+, but with a theoretical limit of 14.4 Mbps (still faster than Sprint). The article specualtes that Verizon will have the fastest 4G available, but not until a year from now.
Do you think Sprint will up their game? Is that even possible? Did I choose the wrong carrier when I went with the EVO?
In two years switch to the fastest network. Why worry about it now...and really are you going to have same phone in two years?
Alot can happen between now and the end of next year. I believe you made a good choice being that Evo is a kickass phone and Sprint has the best plans and service (imo). This article may very well be accurate or not so, either way I give credit to Sprint for pushing pretty hard to get 4G to out as fast as they did even if is not as fast as they make it to be. Anyways...the Evo will be old by the end of next year regardless so you can choose again I think sprint will adjust accordingly to the market when that time comes.
Unfortunately this article falls short in a number of ways:
Sprint's current WiMax standard (802.16e) has a max theoretical downspeed of 144Mb/s. 802.16m, the future revision of WiMax has a theoretical max of 1Gb/s.
HSPA+'s current max speed is 56Mb/s, and the future revision max is 168Mb/s.
Nobody's network right now is even close to those speeds. Sprint has a head start, and the existing infrastructure to build off of in terms of subscribers and towers.
T-Mobile has Deutsch Telekom's money to build off of, but their existing 3G coverage is grossly lacking.
Granted both parties are trying to build as much as possible, but in the end I'll stick with Sprint.
Your call.
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WIKI reports WiMAX has a theoretical limit of 40 Mbit/s?
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WIKI reports WiMAX has a theoretical limit of 40 Mbit/s?
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Let's just keep in mind that that these are theoretical maximum transfer rates possible under ideal conditions. Once you take into account the real world signal conditions, tower loading, and backhaul capacity it's a completely different ballgame.
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Let's just keep in mind that that these are theoretical maximum transfer rates possible under ideal conditions. Once you take into account the real world signal conditions, tower loading, and backhaul capacity it's a completely different ballgame.
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Your totally right. Think about it Wireless N has a theoretical speed of 300mbps, but for the most part you'd be lucky to get a transfer speed over 180mbps (at least in my case, some might get a little higher) because this is theoretical and could someday reach that potential. The same goes for 4g. Everyone has their own speeds and systems but in the end its just a matter of who has better coverage. At&t and t-mobile might have "more bars in more spaces", but in my experience sprint and verizon have far superior data networks and I don't think thats going to end anytime soon. So for me I'll stick with Sprint.
For me the important thing is Sprint has the fastest speed RIGHT NOW. I live in Seattle and average 3-5 with 4G (recently got a lot better). A year or two from now I may move somewhere else but for now my friends look on enviously.
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For me the important thing is Sprint has the fastest speed RIGHT NOW. I live in Seattle and average 3-5 with 4G (recently got a lot better). A year or two from now I may move somewhere else but for now my friends look on enviously.
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Agreed. Besides, to me the most important thing right now is how long sprint's going to keep the unlimited data option. Who knows,in two years with everyone capping data, might as well go to the provider who's gonna fill the bucket fastest. Who exactly is going to be the fastest? That's anyones guess right now, but it doesn't really matter because alot can change in two years.
based on my experience, AT&T's 3G performance (latency aside) with an HSUPA-enabled device is excellent and trumps Sprint's 3G by far. I constantly pull 3.5 mbit/s down, 1.6mbit/s up on my phone, which is comparable or perhaps a slight tick below Sprint's WiMax performance levels.
N1 users on Tmo raped us in speed tests still.. so sprint is still slow.. I get usually 2-3mb down most of the time, N1 users are boastin 5-10mb+ down on tmo 3g.. =\
I average 3-5Mgs here in Chicago on 4G
Stupid argument since Sprint/Clearwire is switching to 802.16e Enhanced by the end of the year, with a software update and a few hardware changes. Research the stats for it, and then see if you agree with that post.
Sprint will be using LTE, one way or another. They've already contacted suppliers a few months ago.
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Heh. This is why I posted this thread. Just about everyone is more informed than I am. I love my EVO but everyone was looking at me like I was crazy when switching to Sprint.
I'm mostly concerned because I do find Sprint's current 3G-4G offerings to be pretty slow... and my reception isn't as good as my Fiance's who is on AT&T. She points that out all the time...
I'd prefer to have a balance between good reception and good internet speeds. These are phones, after all
If you stick with a smartphone long enough, you'll realize that at the beginning of the year one carrier might be dominant, but by the end of the year the title has changed.
Stick with what you've got (unless your on Cricket ), and you'll be alright.
~Jasecloud4
It also comes down to unlimited data vs limited data. The other guys are all changing their data plans (tmobile and sprint aside).
What its the point if slightly faster speed if you can only use it half the month because of data caps.
I'm happy with mine. I got this speed while using wifi tether on my laptop
Also note I used the browser to test this speed
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I was thinking about this yesterday while stuck in the car streaming Pandora. I am glad I don't have to worry about how my music I stream for fear of running out of data.
The Everything Plan is what will keep me on Sprint, even if they are a bit slower.
The compression and technologies (html5, silverlight) are going to provide better performance streaming with less throughput. So are you really ever going to need more than 3-5mb on your phone? You arn't going to hit many sources that can provide you data faster than you can download.
(I can see needing more if you are tethering multiple devices)
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/22/sprint-clears-35mhz-of-spectrum-for-future-use-wonders-if-its/
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Alot can happen between now and the end of next year. I believe you made a good choice being that Evo is a kickass phone and Sprint has the best plans and service (imo). This article may very well be accurate or not so, either way I give credit to Sprint for pushing pretty hard to get 4G to out as fast as they did even if is not as fast as they make it to be. Anyways...the Evo will be old by the end of next year regardless so you can choose again I think sprint will adjust accordingly to the market when that time comes.
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I just worry that their speedy push to 4g is going to leave there 3g network in the dust. Let's face it there are still plenty of places that do not have even a 3g network, at least in my state there is. If someplace doesn't even have access to 3g there is no way they are going to get 4g.
Many of us saw the abysmal wireless speeds posted in the Engadget review.
I have performed some additional research and I believe ATT disables HSUPA (the faster upload connection) on all phones except the iPhone. This obviously also affect download speeds as the TCP responses are slowed down.
http://emuneee.com/2011/02/is-att-disabling-hsupa-on-its-4g-devices/
I know everyone has asked 88 Million questions about the encrypted bootloader, and we really won't have an answer until the phone is released.
However, my question is, can the HSUPA limitation be removed such as by flashing a new modem.bin? Perhaps using the modem firmware from the international version?
When I read "I believe ATT disables HSUPA (the faster upload connection) on all phones except the iPhone" I thought about it for a second and did a speedtest on my Captivate.
I have full bars in my house, on HSPA.
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Upload speeds faster than download speeds? WTF?
Here's Engadget's speedtests on an iPhone 4 on AT&T. (On the right)
Obviously something is a little off.
Cool, well I hope it isn't an issue then.
I searched for more reports and it looks like this may have been initially reported because of an error in AT&T's network?? But may have been fixed around August 2010?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=745039
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572628
Plus there was this whole mess on another forum:
http://androidforums.com/samsung-captivate/137436-how-enable-hsupa-captivate.html
Based on your results it looks like this may not be an issue and I may just be creating rumors. I guess I should be patient and just wait for the release day.
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When I read "I believe ATT disables HSUPA (the faster upload connection) on all phones except the iPhone" I thought about it for a second and did a speedtest on my Captivate.
I have full bars in my house, on HSPA.
Upload speeds faster than download speeds? WTF?
Here's Engadget's speedtests on an iPhone 4 on AT&T. (On the right)
Obviously something is a little off.
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They disable hsupa on all phone except the iphone eventhe captivate, you have a non stock fw and probably a tl3 modem flased to your cappy, btw im running darky9.3
I think this is a an issue.
The speeds are nothing close to 4g, and the tests on the atrix are consistently under 2mbs.
That sucks.
i get 4 down with my capt and 2 up
busy around 2.5-3
I got to play with an Atrix at a bar a couple weeks ago (friend of mine reps for Motorola), and the download speeds were consistently under 2 megs even though the H+ symbol was active. I hope this gets sorted out on or before march 6th.
Also I do recall seeing a speed test video of the inspire 4g getting speeds over 3 meg down so it could also be an issue of where I am using the phone.
On my Aria it's not uncommon for me to hit download speeds at or above 3 Mbs, granted it's been running CyanogenMod since the first day I owned it, so idk if the custom ROM has any effect on AT&T disabling anything...
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On another note, when I was checking if my local AT&T store had demo Atricies p) today, I asked an sales rep about the speeds and all she said was that the inspire was getting much faster speeds then her iPhone 3GS. After she walked away, I proceeded to turn off wi-fi, download the speedtest.net app and run it. Sure enough it got 1.5 Mbs down though :/
I think this is a major concern.
There is no evidence what so ever that the Atrix gets anywhere near "4g" speeds.
And I think the whole "but AT$T hasn't finished the build out" is a BS excuse my captivate running a rom gets better download speeds. That is just unacceptable.
I think you can hope in one hand that AT$T will improve the speed on the ATRIX and **** in the other and see which one gets filled up first.
The only way it will get fixed is the same way the captivate is running Froyo, you will have to root it and then flash a faster modem. Hopefully flashing a modem will be possible with locked down bootloader.
Lol, I would LOVE to get 1.5 mbps down. I'm in the capital of the free world and I hardly get up to 500 kbps on my Craptivate, with a JK4 modem.
Seems difficult to imagine AT&T shooting themselves in the foot with their first "4G" branded phone by limiting the upload.
I am hoping they fix it before launch and maybe that is why there has been just a trickle of reviews on the phone so far.
AT&T are indeed disabling HSUPA on all their phones expect the iPhone for an unknown reason.
This WILL result in slower upload speeds AND slower download speeds due to how TCP works.
All the above above me saying they are getting fast upload speeds are running none stock at&t firmware with none stock modem firmware.
It was also shown that the "Inspire 4G' has been crippled with having HSUPA disabled and is having slower speeds as well.
This is a really big issue for me. I'm on an iPhone 4 and I live in chicago, I get about 5.8 Mbps down and 1.3 Mbps up. That inside my condo. My upload is always consistent around the city, the download can dip to 2 Mbps here and there. But what I'm getting at is I have really excellent speed on my iphone 4 in chicago.
I've seen reviews on the htc inspire and the atrix, and I don't know if it's the part of the country they're in or AT&T is actually limiting, but the upload speed is horrible on these "4g" phones.
I can't live with slow data speed, I just refuse. I have an unlimited plan and pay 30 a month for it. I'm tired of getting dicked around with the evil carriers. They want our money, but they don't want to give us service to match.
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You are not going to get the speed that you are getting with Iphone I agree that it really sucks.
I think the fact is that the reason the atrix does not have lte is that AT$T is behind in their lte roll out.
HSPA+ is bs as far as I'm concerned. The whole thing hinges on the fiber connecting the towers, which is the major thing holding up LTE. You aren't going to see better speeds until the fiber is laid and who knows how that will take for them to do?
I was just at my local att store to check and see when my upgrade was available so I can get myself an Atrix 4G and I noticed on the new HTC phone they offer, the inspire or something, the radio was indeed not set for the higher speeds. The baseband version on the Nexus One is 32.50.00.32U_5.12.00.08 and the "U" denotes the use of the higher speed 3G, whatever that is called, and the phone in the store had the "H" in place which means the slower of the two.
Easily fixed in the build.prop, but kinda interesting to see they artificially limit speeds even in their newest "4G" phones.
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I was just at my local att store to check and see when my upgrade was available so I can get myself an Atrix 4G and I noticed on the new HTC phone they offer, the inspire or something, the radio was indeed not set for the higher speeds. The baseband version on the Nexus One is 32.50.00.32U_5.12.00.08 and the "U" denotes the use of the higher speed 3G, whatever that is called, and the phone in the store had the "H" in place which means the slower of the two.
Easily fixed in the build.prop, but kinda interesting to see they artificially limit speeds even in their newest "4G" phones.
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Wow, thats just ridiculous.
I swear i feel like i'm never going to get an android phone. Finally the Atrix came along, and it was the first phone i thought that i could be happy with thats not an iphone. And now this crap.
i thought release day waiting was going to be tough. Now i'll have to wait even longer to see how this pans out.
UGH!
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Wow, thats just ridiculous.
I swear i feel like i'm never going to get an android phone. Finally the Atrix came along, and it was the first phone i thought that i could be happy with thats not an iphone. And now this crap.
i thought release day waiting was going to be tough. Now i'll have to wait even longer to see how this pans out.
UGH!
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I was excited about the atrix too but now I'm sitting back and watching also. I'm pretty happy with my flashed captivate at the moment. ATT in my opinion is quite deceptive in their practices. They just hope people will not notice. I am now waiting to get the Galaxy S II international version which supports ATT HSPA+ so I can bypass all the ATT restrictions. I will buy it straight from samsung unlocked. Another good thing is that you most likely will not have to worry about a locked bootloader and since it's international it will have good XDA support hopefully. Just look at the i9000.
Yeah, I have been torn too about the Atrix. It is without a doubt a sweet phone.
But I find it completely unacceptable that it is slower on download speeds than the iphone 4, that is a crock of ****.
And AT$T is supposedly rolling out LTE in just a few months which is real 4g speed, not the Bs HSPA+ AT$T is selling now.
Why the hell doesn't the Atrix support Lte?
What is going to suck is buying the Atrix and then having AT$T rollout lte in your town, but being stuck on their crappy half ass HSPA+ crap for 2 years. Fact is their HSPA+ marketing is just a cheap ploy since Verizion is beating the **** out of them on LTE rollout.
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T-mobile is getting the galaxy s2 which is every bit if not a better phone that also happens to support lte.
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No, it doesn't. The first LTE phone isn't coming out until much later this year.
Every "4G" phone that's coming out untill Q3 is HSPA+ or WiMax. The ones after Q3 will have SOME LTE, but even those aren't going to be faster than the HSPA+ or WiMax phones for another 2 years or so.
For the earlier poster, the test was done in New York, which is overcrowded for frequency and carrier space. I always get like 2-3x what they give in the reviews (I live in Chicago too).
I'm sure you'll have tons of examples of the upload and download speed in a week, but I'm gonna bet it's better than iphone 4 if you aren't in New York.
I smell a lawsuit here.
You can't sell a phone as "4G" in its title, forcing people to move to "4g" data plans while not only not providing 4G but actually disabling full 3G (i.e. disabling HSUPA).
That is just fraudulent and i honestly don't see how they are going to get away with it this time.
Until now they got away with it on the Captivate and other phones because they didn't commit to anything, but with the Atrix and HTC Inspire 4G they are actually defrauding the customers by disabling HSUPA which disables HSPA+ (4G) as a result.
AT&T's response to my BBB complaint... "they aren't capping upload speeds"..yea right
On March 09, 2011, the business provided the following information:
AT&T Mobility Tele: 952.703.4316
Regulatory Response Team Fax: 952.703.2307
AGENCY'S NAME:
Better Business Bureau of Metropolitan
Texas COMPANY'S NAME:
AT&T
ADDRESS:
1600 Pacific Ave Suite 2800
Dallas TX 75201 ADDRESS:
Office of the President
2325 N. University
Lubbock, TX 79415
AGENCY REP: N/A COMPLAINANT'S NAME:
Keith Geissler
AGENCY'S FILE NO.:
91172869 COMPANY'S FILE NO.:
CM20110302_18007584
AT&T Mobility (AT&T) received the above-referenced customer complaint and appreciates the opportunity to respond. Specifically, Keith Geissler complains that the recently released Motorola Atrix does not offer speeds anywhere near what advertised speeds claim. He is requesting activation of 4G services and removal of the cap on the Motorola Atrix services.
Account research regarding this complaint shows that AT&T is focused on delivering a wide choice of solutions and the best possible Smartphone experience to our customers. Be assured that AT&T has not "capped" the upload speeds on the ATRIX. The ATRIX is a HSUPA-capable device, and we currently are performing the testing and preparations necessary to ensure that, when we turn this feature on, you will continue to have a world class experience.
We ask that you please keep in mind; software is only one of many factors that can affect speeds experienced. Factors such as location, time of day, network capacity and facilities, can have an impact as well. Again, in order to ensure the best possible customer experience services will become available once testing has been completed.
AT&T sincerely regrets any inconvenience this issue may have caused. Please feel free to contact me directly at 952-703-4316 if you have any additional questions or concerns in this matter.
Name: Sheila Utech, Customer Appeals Manager, Executive Response
You must not have read the letter very well, now did you?
The ATRIX is a HSUPA-capable device
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when we turn this feature on, you will continue to have a world class experience.
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Thing is...I live in Dallas where 4G is "suppose" to be turned on.
It is not capped but we will turn it on ...SMH
I think the best idea would be to play the waiting game. Perhaps see what happens when they're finally done with the backhaul?
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Thing is...I live in Dallas where 4G is "suppose" to be turned on.
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Understood. However, it has been heavily discussed that HSUPA is infact DISABLED on the device its self. Hence their response.
HSPA+ is SHOWN on the device as active in all markets, however that is due to tower upgrades to reflect that... it does not mean you have HSPA+ yet if the back haul has not been upgraded to support the speeds.
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I think the best idea would be to play the waiting game. Perhaps see what happens when they're finally done with the backhaul?
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That is likely the case. Download speeds are not capped on the phone, only limited to what the backhaul to the tower in your area can support.
That said, HSUPA is in fact disabled, so you WILL NOT see speeds above 300k/s until they enable it with a firmware upgrade (or a dev here on xda fixes it )
A read of the sentence following the one you highlighted in bold indicates AT&T admits that HSUPA is not enabled yet. I'm hearing it will be enabled in June in 7 markets. A better question to AT&T might be why are they limiting access to existing HSPDA+ today, that testing has already been done.
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A read of the sentence following the one you highlighted in bold indicates AT&T admits that HSUPA is not enabled yet. I'm hearing it will be enabled in June in 7 markets.
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The truth comes out... its good to know the BBB is good for something, as they couldnt just give a BS line in that response. Now we know they did infact disable it on purpose AND it will be activated.
I am still waiting on a letter from AT&T's office of the president...
it doesn't matter if you are living in a 4g zone, the fact is that the atrix won't do hsupa until an update for the phone gets released to enable it. at least they admitted that it's turned off
Op. How did you go about filling this complaint? Email? Or is there some link on the bbb site?
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Op. How did you go about filling this complaint? Email? Or is there some link on the bbb site?
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Went here: http://www.bbb.org/
Put in my zip code, and there was a link to "file a complaint". I just put all the information in and submitted it online.
I filed a BBB complaint with this, to clear their BS responses about 4G and backhaul upgrades, which has not a single iota to do with our issue:
Currently, AT&T is disabling HSUPA and high speed internet on all smartphones EXCEPT the iPhone 4. I understand 4G is not fully deployed, I'm still trying to get 3G speeds, but this is disabled on my 1-year-old Samsung Captivate, as well as the new Atrix 4G.
This has nothing to do with network upgrades, backhauls, or 4G. I'm simply trying to get 3G speeds as the iPhone 4 has with HSUPA. This was maliciously, and intentionally, disabled by AT&T on all non-Apple phones.
I can take my wife's iPhone 4, put it next to my Atrix or Captivate, run speeds tests, and the iPhone will be 2-4x faster. They are intentionally disabling HSUPA on Android phones, to preserve some notion of "upscale" on the iPhone 4, and this is fraudulent, and false advertising, as the specifications for both the Captivate and the Atrix say it has HSUPA, which is high-speed upload on 3G.
Again, this has NOTHING to do with 4G, or the network upgrades. I just want to get what I pay/paid for, and many of us are finding out that if you take a Captivate and experiment with the Bell Canada software for the modem, it enables the high-speed data, again NOT 4G, just like the iPhone 4, which is NOT a 4G device.
That experiment alone proves AT&T is deliberately and maliciously handicapping non-Apple smartphones.
I pay JUST AS MUCH every month for data as iPhone owners do, so it's not fair that they get 4 times the speed that I do, when the current 3G towers are more than capable of HSUPA.
Everyone should go to bbb.org and file a complaint and state specifically that the iPhone 4 works as HSUPA capable, the Atrix should as well since it is advertised as such.
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I filed a BBB complaint with this, to clear their BS responses about 4G and backhaul upgrades, which has not a single iota to do with our issue:
Currently, AT&T is disabling HSUPA and high speed internet on all smartphones EXCEPT the iPhone 4. I understand 4G is not fully deployed, I'm still trying to get 3G speeds, but this is disabled on my 1-year-old Samsung Captivate, as well as the new Atrix 4G.
This has nothing to do with network upgrades, backhauls, or 4G. I'm simply trying to get 3G speeds as the iPhone 4 has with HSUPA. This was maliciously, and intentionally, disabled by AT&T on all non-Apple phones.
I can take my wife's iPhone 4, put it next to my Atrix or Captivate, run speeds tests, and the iPhone will be 2-4x faster. They are intentionally disabling HSUPA on Android phones, to preserve some notion of "upscale" on the iPhone 4, and this is fraudulent, and false advertising, as the specifications for both the Captivate and the Atrix say it has HSUPA, which is high-speed upload on 3G.
Again, this has NOTHING to do with 4G, or the network upgrades. I just want to get what I pay/paid for, and many of us are finding out that if you take a Captivate and experiment with the Bell Canada software for the modem, it enables the high-speed data, again NOT 4G, just like the iPhone 4, which is NOT a 4G device.
That experiment alone proves AT&T is deliberately and maliciously handicapping non-Apple smartphones.
I pay JUST AS MUCH every month for data as iPhone owners do, so it's not fair that they get 4 times the speed that I do, when the current 3G towers are more than capable of HSUPA.
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I find it odd that AT&T is still sucking so hard on the teets of Apple. Apple was literally waiting for the day to leave AT&T and join other carriers. And through all the years I was with AT&T they gave me crap service because I had a smartphone that didn't start with an "i".
What they NEED to be doing is focusing MORE on us Android users like Verizon did with theirs while they didn't have the iPhone. Because eventually iPhone users are going to want better service (drop calls much?) and potentially migrate to Verizon. Then all AT&T will have left is bitter Android users waiting for their contracts to expire.
Thank God I bailed on AT&T. In a strange twist for me is that my download speeds on Sprint sometimes aren't as high as my upload o_0. No matter since I still get over 1500kbps both ways.
edit: Man this thread is on every major tech blog now
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Understood. However, it has been heavily discussed that HSUPA is infact DISABLED on the device its self. Hence their response.
HSPA+ is SHOWN on the device as active in all markets, however that is due to tower upgrades to reflect that... it does not mean you have HSPA+ yet if the back haul has not been upgraded to support the speeds.
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I filed a BBB complaint with this, to clear their BS responses about 4G and backhaul upgrades, which has not a single iota to do with our issue:
Currently, AT&T is disabling HSUPA and high speed internet on all smartphones EXCEPT the iPhone 4. I understand 4G is not fully deployed, I'm still trying to get 3G speeds, but this is disabled on my 1-year-old Samsung Captivate, as well as the new Atrix 4G.
This has nothing to do with network upgrades, backhauls, or 4G. I'm simply trying to get 3G speeds as the iPhone 4 has with HSUPA. This was maliciously, and intentionally, disabled by AT&T on all non-Apple phones.
I can take my wife's iPhone 4, put it next to my Atrix or Captivate, run speeds tests, and the iPhone will be 2-4x faster. They are intentionally disabling HSUPA on Android phones, to preserve some notion of "upscale" on the iPhone 4, and this is fraudulent, and false advertising, as the specifications for both the Captivate and the Atrix say it has HSUPA, which is high-speed upload on 3G.
Again, this has NOTHING to do with 4G, or the network upgrades. I just want to get what I pay/paid for, and many of us are finding out that if you take a Captivate and experiment with the Bell Canada software for the modem, it enables the high-speed data, again NOT 4G, just like the iPhone 4, which is NOT a 4G device.
That experiment alone proves AT&T is deliberately and maliciously handicapping non-Apple smartphones.
I pay JUST AS MUCH every month for data as iPhone owners do, so it's not fair that they get 4 times the speed that I do, when the current 3G towers are more than capable of HSUPA.
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This is great! Wish i would have had this earlier today when i filed my bbb complaint and called att to complain. Im gonna use your words next time i have this conveersation.
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The fact "H+" is shown has nothing to do with towers or markets.
by looking through the framework images (shown below), they have completely replaced the 3G or H (without a Plus next to it) with an "H+" icon.
So it doesn't matter if you are on 3G, HSPA, or HSPA+, it will display "H+"
notice the lack or "3G" or "H"
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Wow that is unethical! So we will never know the truth running att/moto firmware!?
Somewhat depressing since it was more of a case of..oops we got caught what can we tell them now. Now we all get to wonder how long are they going to make us wait till we can get this update that they are "testing".. I certainly hope it is soon since it is depressing that the 4g phone is slower than now 4g branded devices.
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So my girlfriend picked up a Thunderbolt, and I have to admit I'm pretty jealous of the 4G speeds and coverage she's getting. In our building, I don't get any Sprint signal at all in the basement (I always roam on VZW), meanwhile she's speed-testing at 18mbps. In fact pretty much everywhere we've gone in the area, she gets LTE coverage both inside and out, much unlike the EVO's pretty-much-outside-only WiMAX coverage...
I've found WiMAX to work pretty well if I'm outside or in my car, and I'm sitting perfectly still. Of course I can't leave it enabled unless I use my extended battery, or else the phone will be dead in short order.
I guess Sprint's 9 months of being the only provider with "real" 4G phones was nice while it lasted, but VZW is really kicking ass now when it comes to 4G speed and coverage, to the point where I'd say they're pretty much the only player in town.
So u saying ur gonna switch to the thunderbolt
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So my girlfriend picked up a Thunderbolt, and I have to admit I'm pretty jealous of the 4G speeds and coverage she's getting. In our building, I don't get any Sprint signal at all in the basement (I always roam on VZW), meanwhile she's speed-testing at 18mbps. In fact pretty much everywhere we've gone in the area, she gets LTE coverage both inside and out, much unlike the EVO's pretty-much-outside-only WiMAX coverage...
I've found WiMAX to work pretty well if I'm outside or in my car, and I'm sitting perfectly still. Of course I can't leave it enabled unless I use my extended battery, or else the phone will be dead in short order.
I guess Sprint's 9 months of being the only provider with "real" 4G phones was nice while it lasted, but VZW is really kicking ass now when it comes to 4G speed and coverage, to the point where I'd say they're pretty much the only player in town.
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Well, yeah, your lady is going to get blistering speeds because there might be 1000 people in your whole city with LTE right now. Verizon says it expects 5-12Mbps on "loaded cells." I just touched 10Mbs in Manhattan -- on a loaded net. Not saying WiMax is perfect; far from.
Here's the thing: it doesn't matter to me if you go to VZW -- in fact you're one less connected user on WiMax, so I'll be incrementally faster. If you're gonna go to Verizon, do so once you see what performance of both the net and the device is going to be -- in real world, saturated network situations.
Realistically even when the network gets loaded itll still be faster than wimax. Just like with twice the users the 3G is better also. It just is what it is.
Im not willing to pay verizons prices...thats all it comes down to for me
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Im not willing to pay verizons prices...thats all it comes down to for me
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Same thing here. I am ok living with sprints lesser service for the price difference.
The frequencies Verizon has for LTE are fundamentally better than what Clear/Sprint are using for WiMax, at least in terms of building penetration. The higher frequencies do have some advantages, but to me they're *completely* negated by the fact that I go from an "Excellent" 4G signal in the parking lot at work to alternating between "Poor" and "No signal" as soon as I walk in the building. VZW could put Wimax on their frequencies, or Sprint could put LTE on their frequencies, and either way, VZW would win. If Sprint deploys LTE on the Nextel frequencies, we'll have a much more even race.
That said, I like what I pay for Sprint and (especially with the AT&TMobile thing) I don't want to see Sprint fail. I'm sticking with them for now. But 4G on Sprint has been very, very disappointing. There is a point in time -- yet to be determined for me -- when I'll suck it up and pay VZW's prices if Sprint can't improve the 4G network in a major way.
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Realistically even when the network gets loaded itll still be faster than wimax. Just like with twice the users the 3G is better also. It just is what it is.
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This isn't necessarily true.
As a standard, WiMax has potential for higher speeds than LTE. Significantly higher -- like 30% higher. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wireless_data_standards
The question is, implementation, as always. Of course, it may be a moot point, as Sprint may cut bait from Clear (because of their mismanagement) and go with their LTE plans with LightSquared in tow.
My point remains, leaving Sprint now, based on VZW's LTE speeds NOW vs what they may be when fully-loaded might be a grass-greener-on-the-other-side move. And you know how that usually ends up...
My house is small and my work has thin walls, I get awesome 4g speed pretty much all the time. I guess if where your at you don't have the same results switch. You'll probably be happier.
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This isn't necessarily true.
As a standard, WiMax has potential for higher speeds than LTE. Significantly higher -- like 30% higher. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wireless_data_standards
The question is, implementation, as always. Of course, it may be a moot point, as Sprint may cut bait from Clear (because of their mismanagement) and go with their LTE plans with LightSquared in tow.
My point remains, leaving Sprint now, based on VZW's LTE speeds NOW vs what they may be when fully-loaded might be a grass-greener-on-the-other-side move. And you know how that usually ends up...
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Yea and 10 times out of 10 we will NEVER see wimax speeds that high.. not if Clear is responsible for deploying it. And honestly the grass is greener not only interms of 4G speeds, but coverage and 3G speeds as well. In terms of VZW vs Sprint you pretty much get what you pay for. In terms of data I rarely even use the evo anymore. Turning on my wimax is pointless honestly unless im close to a tower. Even if VZW's speeds get chopped in half, which I doubt, itll still be faster than wimax here. The biggest factor is if you look at how many towers VZW has here as compared to Sprint, it makes sense as to why you can get LTE pretty much everywhere you go in in Metro Atlanta as compared to Wimax.. where once you leave downtown you're not really guaranteed to get it at all.
still love Sprint...
Long time Sprint here my self..
But 89.99 + 20% discount for unlimited 4G with Verizon was only $10 more than what i was paying with Sprint..
I love Sprint to death, but until they use their 800MHz spectrum for 4G then i'll be staying with Verizon..
I mean look at these insane speeds...
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Long time Sprint here my self..
Verizon was only $10 more than what i was paying with Sprint..
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I just made this exact post in another thread lol. VZW is NOT that much more than Sprint anymore. Especially since Sprint made the $10 premium data mandatory for all smart phones. And im telling you now, if VZW does decide to make that promo that they ran for the any mobile for the same price, its gonna get ugly.
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Dont see how its trolling when its the truth. *shrug*
VZW is not much more for an individual user, but with a family plan its a lot more. Total for my 4 smartphones was 60 more a month. Not worth it, especially getting 10Mbps down everywhere I go. 15 vs 10 is just not a big deal to me.
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VZW is not much more for an individual user, but with a family plan its a lot more. Total for my 4 smartphones was 60 more a month. Not worth it, especially getting 10Mbps down everywhere I go. 15 vs 10 is just not a big deal to me.
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my plan three evo's after tax and 22% discount is 167, verizon for two phones not three after tax and discount was 189!
But like it was said if vzw did anytime any mobile. I might consider it. but then again 90% of people we know are on verizon so maybe it doesn matter.
these are the same customers that complained about the $10/fee
they aint going to pay $10-20 more ...
i agree sprint wimax signal is a joke.. i am in DFW (one of the major oginal wimax cities).. and it sucks!... so much so that I use a ROM that does not even have wimax support!.
i sure hope that sprint has real plans to fix this asap with wimax...not lte.
OP here. I switched from VZW to Sprint for the EVO, so I knew what I was coming from. When we got WiMAX here (DC/Baltimore area) it was at first very spotty, and it's still moderately spotty. I suppose I was expecting to see the same from VZW's LTE offerings, at least for the next year or so, but I was surprised to see how... good it is. I'm sure once the network gets a little more saturated the speeds won't be as good, but still, having 10-12mbps everywhere on VZW is quite different from having 3G in most places and 4G in a few select places like I'm used to now with Sprint.
I'm not saying I'm going to switch back to VZW... I hated the way they nickel-and-dimed everything... I like Sprint as a company much better. I just hope maybe they'll at least increase the back-end WiMAX speeds a little so they can be a bit more competitive with VZW LTE at least with speeds (I know the penetration isn't going to get much better...)
I will never go back to verizon for any reason. I don't really download that much on my phone that I can't do when I have wifi. Since having 4g on pretty much kills the battery, I leave it off most of the time. I love the evo, and if sprint improves things then it's even better.
same here, i have had them both, but sprint has been the best company for me. and where i work i roam the WHOLE time . but when the end of the month comes and that bill is in front of me i remember why im here!! o and of course the EVO !!! FTW
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Kinda sucks!
You don't realize how much data you use when you have such a fast connection..
I barely used the damn thing
So, when I get to 5GB, will it stop saying 4G on the top and show 1x ?
Will I at least be able to send text messatges?
Armageddon my friend....be prepared.
In all seriousness chill out, the only thing that will happen is your speeds will be reduced dramatically, slower than edge speeds. It will still display "4g" though keep in mind we don't even have true 4g so get that out of your head. Messages and data don't have anything to do with each other unless were dealing with mms, then at which point you will still receive but the transfer speed will be super slow. My recommendation for when you get capped....force your phone on edge
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iLeopard said:
Armageddon my friend....be prepared.
In all seriousness chill out, the only thing that will happen is your speeds will be reduced dramatically, slower than edge speeds. It will still display "4g" though keep in mind we don't even have true 4g so get that out of your head. Messages and data don't have anything to do with each other unless were dealing with mms, then at which point you will still receive but the transfer speed will be super slow. My recommendation for when you get capped....force your phone on edge
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You can call our data speeds "HOBO G"
I don't care if someone says its not true 4G, who ever said what was true or not anyway?
I couldn't ask for anything really better than this
sure LTE can do much more, but I get those speeds almost EVERYWHERE!!
True 4G or not, It's as fast, so why even bother saying its not "true" 4g, lol
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I don't care if someone says its not true 4G, who ever said what was true or not anyway?
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the ITU, who decides these standards. basically after they put together the 4g standard tmob and att *****ed (and probably paid a good amount of money) to have 'advanced 3g' included as '4g'.
to the op, you may not get throttled the first time or the second, you'll get sms messages saying you are throttled. when you are actually throttled, you can expect 64kbps max. it's absolutely useless.
How do you use so much data?
I kinda disgree with LTE being able to much more atleast, at the rev Verizon has theirs. I have a mifi from them and the only difference I see is upload is better 6megs usually. Then again their network goes down at least twice a month or when they have a new LTE phone to market. Download is usually about the same if not better or I should more sustained if your tethering then on my mifi. Its both a race and frankly I was kinda disappointed to hear the CEO of T-Mobile say the were going to use some the 4bill to deploy LTE. HSPA has a long way to go before it needs replacing.
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How do you use so much data?
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i easily can kill my allotted 4G speeds with Spotify and "Play Music".
After you go over your 5gb, your speeds will be practically unusable for any thing outside email.
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i easily can kill my allotted 4G speeds with Spotify and "Play Music".
After you go over your 5gb, your speeds will be practically unusable for any thing outside email.
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this. in my experience, it takes streaming music through 'play music' one hour per day to hit 5GB in 30 days.
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I kinda disgree with LTE being able to much more atleast, at the rev Verizon has theirs. I have a mifi from them and the only difference I see is upload is better 6megs usually. Then again their network goes down at least twice a month or when they have a new LTE phone to market. Download is usually about the same if not better or I should more sustained if your tethering then on my mifi. Its both a race and frankly I was kinda disappointed to hear the CEO of T-Mobile say the were going to use some the 4bill to deploy LTE. HSPA has a long way to go before it needs replacing.
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you must have never used ATT LTE... that **** wipes the floor with us. However, I always say.. why do you want to download so fast with an expensive data plan as theirs lol.
So Treo how fast is fast on ATT? and how long is that going to last since there are very few people with LTE enabled devices on ATT. I can pretty much say that when the new iPhone comes out with LTE on ATT their network will be flooded. VZW network was bleeding fast when it first came out too. Which begs the question how fast is to fast. Cell phones have already past 6 bonded t1s. "9" megs 10 megs is the starter package for those putting thier svrs in a data center. Is 20 megs down not enough?
In atl ATT thier dsl isn't even that fast. 6 megs is all you get. You have to step up to u-puke to get 24 megs down. That's wireline service with tv so at this point even at HSPA we are ahead which is amazing but the user isn't going to see the download speed as much surfing or checking email even netflix works fine at 4 megs. What the user "us" notice is lag when doing all the above minus netflix. The only thing other than this is if your downloading a large file etc and at that point one has to ask if that file would have been better downloaded to a laptop or desktop or if its a PowerPoint sales file or employee reviews doc etc then there's security questions involved as well that are much more easily handled on a laptop.
So at the end of all this how fast to u is fast enough. What speed do u need to be able to get all of your mobile life in a month done?
Also its usually the 3rd month your cap kicks in unless your just massively abusive. Say like hitting your cap 5 days into your billing cycle two months running. The 2gig plan their less forgiving. Just try to use WiFi as much as u can.
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casperi said:
So Treo how fast is fast on ATT? and how long is that going to last since there are very few people with LTE enabled devices on ATT. I can pretty much say that when the new iPhone comes out with LTE on ATT their network will be flooded. VZW network was bleeding fast when it first came out too. Which begs the question how fast is to fast. Cell phones have already past 6 bonded t1s. "9" megs 10 megs is the starter package for those putting thier svrs in a data center. Is 20 megs down not enough?
In atl ATT thier dsl isn't even that fast. 6 megs is all you get. You have to step up to u-puke to get 24 megs down. That's wireline service with tv so at this point even at HSPA we are ahead which is amazing but the user isn't going to see the download speed as much surfing or checking email even netflix works fine at 4 megs. What the user "us" notice is lag when doing all the above minus netflix. The only thing other than this is if your downloading a large file etc and at that point one has to ask if that file would have been better downloaded to a laptop or desktop or if its a PowerPoint sales file or employee reviews doc etc then there's security questions involved as well that are much more easily handled on a laptop.
So at the end of all this how fast to u is fast enough. What speed do u need to be able to get all of your mobile life in a month done?
Casperi
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Well it really depends on the area, but at very strong places it ranges up to about 60+ down and 25+ up...
but their averages is about half of that 30+ and 12-15 up
Our phone peaked i think around 24? I don't remember seeing anyone getting much higher. Not sure about upload speed but it was single digit thats for sure.
our average would be in the teens for download 10-15. Yes we can get higher but their average is about doubled ours..
not sure why you're asking me how fast is too fast? and how fast is fast enough? I don't think I made any points or argument about that... lol I only said that with such a high speed data, but only with like 4gb average data plan... yeah...
But honestly the t989 data speed is more than enough.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1454576&page=3
I'm sure there are other threads too.
WOW 60 Megs down!! That's is very impressive. Is that just a speed test or a sustained download?.
Edit- Thx for the link, ya we could get there HSPA+ can go to 168.
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casperi said:
WOW 60 Megs down!! That's is very impressive. Is that just a speed test or a sustained download?.
Edit- Thx for the link, ya we could get there HSPA+ can go to 168.
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yeah I was like WTF do you need all that speed for? they have a strong cap on their data plan right? lol
but yeah I'm not too worried about our data speed. I'm more than satisfied with it.
I'm pretty sure most of the measurements is done through speedtest and probably a few through sustained speeds. but I doubt these guys are gonna download a big enough file, see the transfer rate in KBps then change it to kbps (bytes to bits) lol
LOL look.. anything and I mean ANYTHING!! over 5mb/s download is gravy
That being said, i average around 12-15 with peaking at 20
in 3 years, I will bet no LTE will be as available as our HSPA 42+
I drove 400 miles 2 weeks ago and lost service maybe twice for about 10 minutes.
LTE? Wimax? LOL right, you're lucky to have it when you need it.
As for speeds, sure, it's faster but it's a waste, unless you're using it to download torrents, 5 mg down is more than enough to do ANYTHING
And I mean anything, including tethering to a roku device and streaming HD netflix!
As for this being "Fake" it's not, its was approved 4G and that's why t-mobile can call it that, 4G
As for how I use that much data, well its not hard, I bike every day and use a program called sports tracker live, which tracks my rides, I also sometimes stream slingplayer to listen to the news while riding.
I stream music every so often, I tether to my Xoom or Ipad if I'm out and about.
It's so darn easy to use the data when you have the speeds.
I'm at 98% now and have yet to get a text or email, should I try the throttle trick?
Yes, your speed will be reduced a lot, but no extra cost I think
I wonder
I'm wondering if anyone else has what I have.
When I took a look at the OP screen shot I noticed there was as asterisk that showed the 5gb high speed limit. So I logged into my Tmo account to check mine because I am running a custom ROM and dont have the Tmo app installed.
My sis line(1yr old) says "Data: 1.4 GB / Unlimited (up to 5 GB high-speed data)"
Mine line(12yrs old) says "Data: 3.9 GB / Unlimited", there is no asterisk that states I have a 5gb high speed limit or any mention of a limit at all.
I have been with Tmo for 12yrs(since VoiceStream) and never changed my number. I have had this data plan for I dont remember how many years, but I know it was before they started talking this "high speed cap" thing. Does anyone think I may not have a "high speed cap". Can someone else log into their Tmo account online, and see what yours says?
You might have been "grandfathered" into their unlimited plan. I know Verizon was doing the same thing right before I switched to their plan.
Verizon was unlimited before, they announced they were capping their plans and if you had a plan before that date you were grandfathered in. I'm thinking that is what happened to you.
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I'm wondering if anyone else has what I have.
When I took a look at the OP screen shot I noticed there was as asterisk that showed the 5gb high speed limit. So I logged into my Tmo account to check mine because I am running a custom ROM and dont have the Tmo app installed.
My sis line(1yr old) says "Data: 1.4 GB / Unlimited (up to 5 GB high-speed data)"
Mine line(12yrs old) says "Data: 3.9 GB / Unlimited", there is no asterisk that states I have a 5gb high speed limit or any mention of a limit at all.
I have been with Tmo for 12yrs(since VoiceStream) and never changed my number. I have had this data plan for I dont remember how many years, but I know it was before they started talking this "high speed cap" thing. Does anyone think I may not have a "high speed cap". Can someone else log into their Tmo account online, and see what yours says?
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My response above was supposed to be a reply to this post. Sorry.
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