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on rooting and maybe making a custom rom for the cdma hero? i know the hero sdk was given out the devs just recently.
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on rooting and maybe making a custom rom for the cdma hero? i know the hero sdk was given out the devs just recently.
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Yeah this needs to happen. I'm so sick of looking at sprint nascar and other crap loaded on this. it's like getting a new laptop with bloatware and not being able to scrub it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572286
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Shouldnt this thread get moved to the CDMA section?
Sorry for being a 'troll'
Keep asking everyday.
Wooooaaaaahhhhhh...
I read this forum almost everyday. I read it because I am excited to see what's going on. I enjoy being 'right there' on the latest news. Quite honestly, everyone who visits this forum should be excited to see this phone get 'rooted.' This makes it customizable to our liking and not what HTC/Sprint likes for us.
I use Sprint Navigation, but that's about it. My real point being that I love XDA, PPCGeeks and all these other communities because they are as excited as I am, typically. People are posting because they want to know how its progressing and how the process is done. I know I would be interested in learning about rooting, cooking, so on and so forth. It's interested watching these pro's and noob's alike come together on this new challenge.
Not to mention we got our first CDMA sub-forum that I've seen on this site. It must mean we have a spot here and that the Hero will be rooted and mods/themes will be available. Not to mention that it could be assumed that things will move faster on our device than others simply because the GSM version is already rooted, along with other Android devices.
If you don't like what's cookin', get outta the kitchen...
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This is getting out of control. The phone has only been out for 3 WEEKS!!!!! (GSM doesn't count) Everyone including myself wants the Sprint ware off. But in reality its not in our way. I don't think anyone working on it is going to answer in fear of being annoyed to death. As time draws near I'M SURE THERE WILL BE A THREAD 'I almost replaced the boot loader on the CDMA hero' Or do you honestly think we are being intentionally left in the dark? I'm pretty sure no HTC device was able to be flash after week 3. I'm also pretty sure reverse engineering a boot loader takes some time and quality control. But go ahead rush this process.
What if it takes a YEAR or not at all?
Are we going to continue to see daily posts?
Will this madness ever end? Are people capable of enjoying a great phone without flashing it?
I love how 'Bump' has been replaced with 'I subscribed'
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Bro you are way off base, the original poster probably came to the forums seen the CDMA sup forum for the hero then created a post asking for updates. Not a big deal really.
And in the original posters message he was asking if people needed help so if an offer to help is rushing the process then I for one am all for that.
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This is getting out of control. The phone has only been out for 3 WEEKS!!!!! (GSM doesn't count) Everyone including myself wants the Sprint ware off. But in reality its not in our way. I don't think anyone working on it is going to answer in fear of being annoyed to death. As time draws near I'M SURE THERE WILL BE A THREAD 'I almost replaced the boot loader on the CDMA hero' Or do you honestly think we are being intentionally left in the dark? I'm pretty sure no HTC device was able to be flash after week 3. I'm also pretty sure reverse engineering a boot loader takes some time and quality control. But go ahead rush this process.
What if it takes a YEAR or not at all?
Are we going to continue to see daily posts?
Will this madness ever end? Are people capable of enjoying a great phone without flashing it?
I love how 'Bump' has been replaced with 'I subscribed'
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dude.. are you serious? now i have been doing the forum thing for years now. Usually an observer. And I guess I do see my share of post of people getting mad for other enthused people asking questions about progress on certain things. But congratulations! You earned my response, and not many have. I just need to say chillax! Go troll somewhere else. You are worst then the people who ask idiotic questions (not that this thread is one at all)
p.s. Sorry everyone for wasting your time with this nonsense. I don't make it a habit.
SoLo
Hey everyone, some of you know who Haykuro is and some don't. Basically he was one of the original Android modders. He is now looking to get a Nexus One but as he's a college student and he's asking for some help. Obviously this would benefit all of us rooters so if you've got a few bucks to throw down:
http://pledgie.com/campaigns/9021
Haykuro doesn't know I'm posting this, I don't know him personally, just a fan of his previous work with the G1/Magic and want to see his work here also. Hopefully this falls into the "Helping Others" rule and not the "Spam" rule. If so just remove it. But I feel like this forum is a place where he can definitely find a few friends.
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That punk kid was NOT one of the "original modders".
He is not responsible for offering anything of benefit.
He is responsible for initiating a course of action that has led to many many BRICKS.
The community bought a rogers dream for him to "hack" and he ended up selling it and keeping the $$ when finished with it rather than passing it on to someone who could ACTUALLY work on the thing.
Owned. Bad thread is bad. Be gone!
Agreed! He doesnt deserve it. We are good without him. He can go to work and buy his own phone just like all the current devs are doing and then get donations according to the work he provides. Buying a phone so that he can stop by xda for a few days and then be gone and quit. HELL NO!
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That punk kid was NOT one of the "original modders".
He is not responsible for offering anything of benefit.
He is responsible for initiating a course of action that has led to many many BRICKS.
The community bought a rogers dream for him to "hack" and he ended up selling it and keeping the $$ when finished with it rather than passing it on to someone who could ACTUALLY work on the thing.
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You've never heard of Haykuro's Danger SPL? That's the entire reason any of us G1 owners were able to install Hero and Eclair ROMs to our phones. I don't know about the criticisms though... Sure his SPL caused people to brick, but it's not like he just dipped out and didn't try to help. Didn't he help try to figure out why people were bricking, which ended up being that people installed their radios afterward?
Am I missing something?
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You've never heard of Haykuro's Danger SPL? That's the entire reason any of us G1 owners were able to install Hero and Eclair ROMs to our phones. I don't know about the criticisms though... Sure his SPL caused people to brick, but it's not like he just dipped out and didn't try to help. Didn't he help try to figure out why people were bricking, which ended up being that people installed their radios afterward?
Am I missing something?
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I haven't been aorund long enough to say if you're right or wrong for sure, but it seems to me that you are correct... that was his course of action. The main reason I would be hesitant to donate to him would be because of his actions involving the Magic the community helped him buy.
Also, I'm not so sure we need to have a "Danger SPL" on the Nexus One just yet. Did he contribute anything else? I don't think so.
On top of all that was said, wtf proves this is even going into his pocket and not yours? Lol.
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I haven't been aorund long enough to say if you're right or wrong for sure, but it seems to me that you are correct... that was his course of action. The main reason I would be hesitant to donate to him would be because of his actions involving the Magic the community helped him buy.
Also, I'm not so sure we need to have a "Danger SPL" on the Nexus One just yet. Did he contribute anything else? I don't think so.
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No one's saying we need a Danger SPL for the N1... I meant to say that he DID contribute something of value, as another poster claimed he didn't. He also was the first to release a Hero ROM for the phone, IIRC.
Again, I'm not taking sides and I have no idea what this episode with the Magic is all about (a PM with a link would be appreciated)... I'm just trying to balance what I personally saw against what I apparently missed...
I was never entirely clear on what the whole debacle was with him in the end, but to all appearances he just up and quit the community in a fit of pique one day. Given that, I'd hesitate to expect any sort of sustained effort from him in return for the donations.
He's a good developer but he has quite the baggage. The N1 community should weigh its options well, and since it seems like we're not looking for anything in particular that any of the devs need his help for, I'd say his time is better spent on something else.
JM2C.
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He's a good developer but he has quite the baggage. The N1 community should weigh its options well, and since it seems like we're not looking for anything in particular that any of the devs need his help for, I'd say his time is better spent on something else.
JM2C.
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Agreed.
The devs we have already seem to be doing the job very well already.
And why can't he just buy his own phone? I'm a student and don't go running for hand-outs every time I want something, I prioritize, save up the money and buy it myself (yes, can be a hard concept for some people)...
IIRC, the reason he left is because he was given a leaked, watermarked version of the Hero ROM, and someone he passed it on to for development reasons cooked a ROM and released it without removing those watermarks, thus getting many people in very big trouble.
As well, IIRC, he felt slighted and burned that most on here didn't seem to care about him getting screwed over, and tried to blame him and make him responsible for the bricks that resulted from the SPL he ported over... even though, as we all should know, a brick is the risk we all take every time we flash.
I don't know about the selling of his device... I haven't heard anything about that. I came to android after he had already moved on from XDA, and what I "know" is based off the tidbits I have picked up over time.
Hello all, i expected to see work done on a custom rom by now. I know the bootloader wont accept any old rom but are we not able to make modified version of the current R2 rom and flash it over our current one? Speaking of bootloaders has there been any progress on getting the bootloader opened up a little?
All the best
I guess work is still being done on it as seen in the custom rom development thread.
Ppl need to stop nagging about when it's going to be done..
it's not like the devs have the bootloader cracked and they are enjoying it by themselves whilst telling us that it hasn't been cracked just to watch us suffer..
if they have it, they'll post it.. what i don't get is.. ppl keep asking about the progress of the work.. what's it matter to you guys... it's not like knowing where they are is gonna help any of us end users atm.. also, it's not something that's been done before.. so they maybe 99% done, or 2% done.. they just won't know until they actually crack the bootloader.. just wait patiently man
Agreed, I don't know why people have to constantly open new threads acting like ...hey, if I ask in a new thread, I bet they'll answer!
Unfortunately the world is full of people that think others owe them something. When they finish, and make a useable step guild JUST LIKE ROOT, they will release it and we will all be happy then. Until then, sit on your hands and don't type any more useless posts. Please and Thanks
I'm a total noob with the inside of the android OS.. and the Win6.1 Os on the X1 before.. but what I am is appreciative of a bunch of people who are prepared to work and share their results with the world, and then to top it off, right up guide lines so the rest of us can enjoy!
/hattip to devs !!
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Agreed, I don't know why people have to constantly open new threads acting like ...hey, if I ask in a new thread, I bet they'll answer!
Unfortunately the world is full of people that think others owe them something. When they finish, and make a useable step guild JUST LIKE ROOT, they will release it and we will all be happy then. Until then, sit on your hands and don't type any more useless posts. Please and Thanks
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OI!!! STEREOTYPICAL GUY HIDING BEHIND HIS INTERNET CONNECTION!! calm it, there is a serious lack of people attempting to create custom roms (at least in the public eye), i was hoping this would spark off discusion about how we would go about doing it, you actually sicken me with your lack of manners! you would NEVER say something like that my face and thats a fact. mainly out of fear that i would punch you in yours for complete disrespect if nothing else, i was actually one of the people telling people to shut up asking for root to be achieved over and over, i am simply seeking information on what stage things where at, where there any one with custom roms in the works. I am a nice person who asks polity for information . i dont nag i dont demand because i dont feel that i deserve anything. you're the real scumbag here not me.
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OI!!! STEREOTYPICAL GUY HIDING BEHIND HIS INTERNET CONNECTION!! calm it, there is a serious lack of people attempting to create custom roms (at least in the public eye), i was hoping this would spark off discusion about how we would go about doing it, you actually sicken me with your lack of manners! you would NEVER say something like that my face and thats a fact. mainly out of fear that i would punch you in yours for complete disrespect if nothing else, i was actually one of the people telling people to shut up asking for root to be achieved over and over, i am simply seeking information on what stage things where at, where there any one with custom roms in the works. I am a nice person who asks polity for information . i dont nag i dont demand because i dont feel that i deserve anything. you're the real scumbag here not me.
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that's because your feeble mind is unable to comprehend the fact that the bootloader isn't cracked, or the implications of that. there is absolutely no point in a custom rom until this is done
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Mr. Sabianadmin, you should first do some research of what it is required to load a custom Rom in the Android world. Maybe you are coming from the Windows Mobile world and root has a different meaning.
Anyway, this thread is useless because there is no going to be chefs developing custom Roms without the bootloader being hacked. Once the bootloader is hacked and there is a custom recovery for the phone, I am sure tons of chefs will appear with new custom Roms. May I suggest that you go and read the wiki of other rooted Android phones (there is one for the HTC Magic) to educate yourself.
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that's because your feeble mind is unable to comprehend the fact that the bootloader isn't cracked, or the implications of that. there is absolutely no point in a custom rom until this is done
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How many highly qualified software developers do you know with a feeble mind in that regard? i know its not yet cracked. im saying editing the current stock rom thats ON the device and then transfer, this method was in fact used during the rooting process. (or can you not remember back that far?)
Also *Sent from my X10a using XDA App* should have read Sent from my ass under the guise i was positively contributing,
go do somthing like try and look for methods to patch/circumvent the signing process like i currently am instead of annoying me.
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Also *Sent from my X10a using XDA App* should have read Sent from my ass under the guise i was positively contributing,
go do somthing like try and look for methods to patch/circumvent the signing process like i currently am instead of annoying me.
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wow.. that's the most childish comment i've come across since.. yesterday (hahha surprisingly there ARE a lot of ppl like you on the Internet)
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How many highly qualified software developers do you know with a feeble mind in that regard? i know its not yet cracked
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yes.. you may be a higly qualified software developer..
you maybe trying different ways to prevent/circumvent signing processes..
but if you are a so-called highly qualified software developer, you SHOULD know that if the bootloader hasn't been cracked yet, it's NOT GOING to fire up any discussions among the chefs as you say since it would be totally useless when the bootloader actually gets cracked..
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Speaking of bootloaders has there been any progress on getting the bootloader opened up a little?
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and you SHOULD know that there really is no way of knowing how far the devs have accomplished in terms of progress until the bootloader is actually cracked for public use...
also, just because you are 'working' on other ways, it doesn't mean you can say
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the devs don't owe you anything... it's not like you are their boss and you assigned them a task that was due last week. you write as if you just wrote some innocent comment with no ill intention, but you gotta understand that comments like above really pisses ppl off..
sure some devs maybe doing it for the bounty.. but it still doesn't mean you get to nag at them .. you say you weren't nagging but that you were just simply asking questions.. well my dear.. THAT WAS NAGGING..
Hello, I was wondering what the benefits of rooting the My Touch 4g would be? Would this allow me to remove the bloatware that came pre-installed on the phone? Also I've heard talk of a possible better rom to put on the phone. Would someone be able to explain why this would be better and what rom might be better?
Thanks
spazfishy said:
Hello, I was wondering what the benefits of rooting the My Touch 4g would be? Would this allow me to remove the bloatware that came pre-installed on the phone? Also I've heard talk of a possible better rom to put on the phone. Would someone be able to explain why this would be better and what rom might be better?
Thanks
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Disclaimer/Advice/Humble Opinion:
My advice (without trying to hurt anyone's feelings too much) is DON'T ROOT. I would suggest you familiarize yourself with everything (Linux, ADB, XDA, Google) before diving in head first.
Despite popular belief, having root does NOT in fact make you cooler.
Way too many new users are trying to root because they think it's cool or heard it's cool. You need to learn your device first.
If you don't know how to perform a Nandroid backup, or restore a previous ROM backup, flash updates, install custom ROM's etc, then you should NOT root. You should browse the forums here, read everything until you know it well. Google search related topics. Exhaust all available avenues, then ask questions. After you've executed all of these options you might consider rooting and starting to tinker with your device.
I second what CBC has said. They lock these phones down for business and support reasons, mainly that having root lets you pretty easily screw things up. You shouldn't root unless you have a good idea of what's actually going on, how to back out of it, etc. Just page through some of the root/unroot threads and look at all the stupid questions people post. If they don't look stupid to you, please read read read before thinking any more about rooting.
Don't take any personal offense to this, it just that there's a real chance you can brick your device. The software root itself is fairly safe but at least the original method to disabling the write protection--flashing the engineering hboot--modifies your last line of defense in fixing a broken device.
spazfishy said:
Hello, I was wondering what the benefits of rooting the My Touch 4g would be? Would this allow me to remove the bloatware that came pre-installed on the phone? Also I've heard talk of a possible better rom to put on the phone. Would someone be able to explain why this would be better and what rom might be better?
Thanks
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Benefits to you zero. If you can't do a simple search of google to find out the benefits or if rooting is even for then I can say it will have no benefits to you
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jjjackson56 said:
Benefits to you zero. If you can't do a simple search of google to find out the benefits or if rooting is even for then I can say it will have no benefits to you
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Wow, so much for friendly forum help huh...
Sorry not trying to be rude or unhelpful I'm just blunt I could've sugar coated it but what would be the point. You obviously found us using one of the many search engines out there just change your query and you won't get flamed.
As a side note anyone else in the future please do some research before asking this.
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Sometimes the benefits are little things that are not found in change logs. Things that are only discovered through usage by people who have already rooted their devices.
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thedroid said:
Sometimes the benefits are little things that are not found in change logs. Things that are only discovered through usage by people who have already rooted their devices.
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Amen! I could read all day long till I am blue in the face and I have. I did not think asking people who are familiar with the process would be such a bad thing..
Good job with the flaming though. I'll just chalk it up as internet small man syndrome...
@spazfishy
I first started tweaking my phones with a couple WM HTC devices. I did it mostly to increase performance and become a member of a community of geeks (for lack of a better term). BTW, when I say tweak I don't mean building ROMs or writing code. I'm an idiot in that regard.
I'm a year and a month into having Android phones and I still don't know anything about SDK, very, very little about ADB push/pull, etc. Still, I've managed to have fun with my phones and have rooted and toyed with them without any issue worse than a boot loop here and there. It's fun to be the first guy to get an update for a ROM because you're eagerly hitting refresh on the supporting thread. There's also a satisfaction in reading a ****load of info on these forums and figuring out something by yourself or with a little input from the guys here.
I can agree that you should read as much as you can about how these phones work. However, you don't need to know as much as you might think. What helped me was watching some youtube videos...walkthroughs of rooting and tutorials for installing ROMs.
It's **** like this, XDA.
Instead of telling this guy "sorry, rooting is too difficult for your little brain to comprehend, you're just going to end up bricking you're phone" why don't you try to help him with his problem?
I've been following XDA for a while now, and it bothers me that many of you would rather treat this as some type of subculture when we're only talking about ****ing cell phones. Instead, why not try to grow this little community, and show carriers that consumers not only desire open source, they demand it in products they spend their hard earned money buy.
Things will only get there if we can rely on developers and enthusiasts to help spread their knowledge. Modaco and Cyanogen already do a really good job of it, and so does AOSP.
I say to spazfishy, yes. Root you're phone, but not right now. Wait a bit. As more stable ROMs became available, this is actually a good way of getting your phone to behave the way you want it to. And if you've been on this website before, you know the risks involved so do you're homework, and happy hunting.
Hopefully you'll find someone with talent willing to help you.
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I say to Daryllh, yes. Root you're phone, but not right now. .
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your post was good but it was spazfishy who was asking the question. it's all good.
Sl3PR said:
Instead of telling this guy "sorry, rooting is too difficult for your little brain to comprehend, you're just going to end up bricking you're phone" why don't you try to help him with his problem?
I've been following XDA for a while now, and it bothers me that many of you would rather treat this as some type of subculture when we're only talking about ****ing cell phones. Instead, why not try to grow this little community, and show carriers that consumers not only desire open source, they demand it in products they spend their hard earned money buy.
Things will only get there if we can rely on developers and enthusiasts to help spread their knowledge. Modaco and Cyanogen already do a really good job of it, and so does AOSP.
I say to Daryllh, yes. Root you're phone, but not right now. Wait a bit. As more stable ROMs became available, this is actually a good way of getting your phone to behave the way you want it to. And if you've been on this website before, you know the risks involved so do you're homework, and happy hunting.
Hopefully you'll find someone with talent willing to help you.
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I SECOND this sentiment. yes, I agree with the overall concept that people should do a search on the forums first and that we don't "need " several separate threads with the same info... however how much better is it really to have a bunch of threads floating around (taking up just as much space as the redundant threads that everyone treats as a plague) chastising and mocking people who just want a little help with their friggin phone??
I've recently been spending a lot of time on these forums after picking up my mt4g and as useful as these forums are - every third thread is someone belittling a poster for asking a simple question. it's pathetic and not beneficial to our community.
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I SECOND this sentiment. yes, I agree with the overall concept that people should do a search on the forums first and that we don't "need " several separate threads with the same info... however how much better is it really to have a bunch of threads floating around (taking up just as much space as the redundant threads that everyone treats as a plague) chastising and mocking people who just want a little help with their friggin phone??
I've recently been spending a lot of time on these forums after picking up my mt4g and as useful as these forums are - every third thread is someone belittling a poster for asking a simple question. it's pathetic and not beneficial to our community.
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Great. Then why don't you and Sl3PR be the first to start helping. Your turn.
People should off just told him the benefits of rooting so he can learn when he bricks his phone on what rooting is about.
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People should off just told him the benefits of rooting so he can learn when he bricks his phone on what rooting is about.
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You're right. I agree. Let them brick. Then be right back here begging for help.
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Its not that we are flaming anyone its just that we see the same questions over and over. If the question was I've rooted my device now what can do any pointers you would've gotten much more answers. I remember before I rooted my first device I had the same question so I googled that and it came up with pros and cons simple as that.
As far as the small man syndrome over the internet I drive a huge diesel truck with smoke stacks chew and work out endlessly but I'm 4'11" so I don't just do it over the internet. ;-)
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People should off just told him the benefits of rooting so he can learn when he bricks his phone on what rooting is about.
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Ya so he could send it back thus driving up the price of new phones and causing phone manufacturers to lose money and causing more headaches for them as well as others.
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jjjackson56 said:
Its not that we are flaming anyone its just that we see the same questions over and over. If the question was I've rooted my device now what can do any pointers you would've gotten much more answers. I remember before I rooted my first device I had the same question so I googled that and it came up with pros and cons simple as that.
As far as the small man syndrome over the internet I drive a huge diesel truck with smoke stacks chew and work out endlessly but I'm 4'11" so I don't just do it over the internet. ;-)
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yes, heaven forbid he not do EXACTLY what you did!
in a Q&A forum no less..give me a break. and no, I'm not gonna keep going on and on about this in this thread. i'm done.
it just proves the original point i was trying to make - which is now we just have another thread on this boards of people being a**holes and talking down to other people just because they don't possess the exact same information you do or because they aren't going about your perfect prescribed process for obtaining said information..whatever.
if someone asks a question you don't like - why don't you just go re-root your phone? or put your wife's cat in the microwave?
if you have the answer - why not take the 90 seconds it was going to take you to be a giant tool and just answer the question?
OR if redundant posts is really THAT big of a problem on here - then have moderators just delete these posts? or figure out how to become a moderator and then you can play forum cop in all of your spare time and delete these posts and actually be part of a solution not just a part of another problem.
see all you happy campers in another post
have a nice day.
(and btw - CBC - at least your initial reply had some actual information in it and geniune advice. jjackson was just being a jerk. that's what i thought was totally unnecessary. and as far it being 'my turn' - since i've been regularly reading this forum, i do answer questions when i feel like i have something to contribute..this is my first android phone and i have only temp rooted so that's why i didn't answer his post to begin with)
Ok well I'm sorry if I otherwise offended anyone with my rants.
So lmgtfy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480
But do not follow those instructions they are not for our device. I REPEAT DO NOT FOLLOW THOSE DIRECTIONS. Just use that as a helpful guide for information.
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Hey, a big thanks to the people that were actually helpful. For real this reply will be short and simple but seriously to the haters. Why do you even waste your time replying if you do not like my question? Are you simply here to feel powerful and mock people? Like why would you go out of your way to call me and idiot and assume I am going to break my phone? I really don't see what's in it for you besides a self attained ego boost. Hence the small man comment...
So to the helpful people: thedroid, daryllh, Sl3PR, ckisgen and anyone else with a helpful word or two your comments are much appreciated and with your wisdom I am slightly more educated and will make a decision. And to the others well I didn't know my text took up so much space!! Good luck in scaring more new users away! I hope you guys get a lot of people to click your donation buttons!
The latest Android upgrade has seen a sudden burst of emotion from every corner. From blessings to curses, everyone has been eager to slap on their comments with much vigor, and all the more brutality.
New users wanting to flaunt their know-how, ancient developers suddenly coming out of hibernation to groan at the state of affairs, and worst of all, people squabbling and hurling accusations at our till-a-week-ago awesome developers for anything and everything wrong under the sun (and perhaps beyond it as well)
Instead of cribbing, groaning and showering multitudes of discouraging statements across entire threads, why not do something fruitful?
Why not use that BIG SEARCH BAR before your fingers start flying over the keyboard?
Why not read each and every guide so painstakingly compiled by the developers, thoroughly?
Why not for once actually follow each and every step rather than show just how omniscient we can be?
Developers here devote so much of their time (4 of them even bricked their phones) just to bring us the best there is, the best there can be. And all we do is quickly lap it up, sing praises, write eulogies, but when things go awry, point our fingers at them?
I think this calls for some retrospection. I am no established developer, nor do I claim to be one. Testing releases, providing genuine feedback and helping in my own little way is the most I can do. And even that somehow gets frustrating when you're faced with the same questions again and again.
Think of what the devs have to face when they're 'judged' by us, when they are bombarded with personal messages asking stupid questions, and on the whole not allowed to do what they want to do.
I might be going overboard, but I feel the message has to reach out to every corner. Help each other, show your support; you wouldn't be biting into your sandwiches if they hadn't splashed the ice-cream on for you.
If something's wrong, cry yourself a river.
But then don't forget to build a bridge and get over it.
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When we talk of responsibility towards other users, it implies that we do not DELIBERATELY try to cause any form of damage to the user or to his device. And I am sure that is the last thing on anyone's mind (or so I hope).
And if we still want to enter into the legal technicalities of the issue, I can very well claim without hesitation that whenever any person willingly signs up for forums of these kind, willingly and consciously attempts to execute any process listed herein - he automatically loses immunity to any loss he may incur as a result of his actions, and thereby forfeits any semblance of legal refuge that he might have.
Despite this, developers post repeated warnings in their guides and that is the best that they can do. Users must understand that what they undertake is at their own risk. No point arguing on the fact that Super User X or Noob User Y bricked his phone because of something that Uber Cool Dev Z posted in any of the threads.
We don't know what we want.
Yet we are willing to fight to the death to get it?
Peace and Respect. Everybody.
epic
make this a sticky!
we dont only devote our time, 4 of us have bricked devices at the moment
JamieD81 said:
we dont only devote our time, 4 of us have bricked devices at the moment
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yeah, unfortunate.
Sticky this mod
jtribaco said:
Sticky this mod
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^ +10
the best description to this is that its like a Roulette, you wont now when you are hitting the jackpot (sorry im not good with sarcasm.. haha)
i do believe at first that the problem does not exist due to small incidents of brick and most came from LEAK... but once i started reading people who got bricked for wiping on stock recovery, people getting unrecoverable /data and /system partitions, i decided to give up the "amazing" ICS until all problems are ironed out... i flashed GB using pc odin and gave up on chrome beta and nova launcher...
OPTION 1 (the dangerous path) : short usage of ICS (not knowing when and how it will end, but i think at this point you know how notes die..lol) and have longer suffering of having a bricked note (as for me im just a student and it is a gift)...
OPTION 2 (playing the WAITING GAME) : having GB for a while or a few weeks as i deduct and wait for a better ICS in the future...
if you ask me, I'm Playing the WAITING GAME....
That's the best thing I've heard all week
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Sticky?
why isn't this being made a sticky?
And yeah, awesome toolbar toxic!
sticky
I think this message needs to get to everyone... but I don't think its Sticky Worthy.
I mean this is just Common Sense, and I wished that people who risk tinkering with their device to have more of it than those who don't.
Sometimes I see people being ignorant and ignoring posts/instructions and resulting in a brick and sitting behind this screen I think "man you kind of deserved that one" though I don't necessarily condone that response. I try to PM them, or help them... but I see how it can start to get "too much".
I think people need to understand this: Developers are doing this FOR FREE, and they are doing it in THEIR SPARE TIME. If they don't use netiquette and xda-rules, they should try to solve their problems themselves by learning the skills and making builds in THEIR TIME. Or they should pay someone hundreds, nay thousands of dollars to work several weeks by taking some time off from their usual work to develop.
I can see the problem. Its common sense, its just not common.
Damn that was a long rant, I'll shut up now.
Totally agree.
As for the sticky request, it was made when sentiments were running high and devices getting bricked. Guess it caught the mood of the times...
But doesn't imply it still isn't relevant.
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Well said!
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Kangal said:
I mean this is just Common Sense,.
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no sticky needed
I think the biggest whiners are the handful of regulars who think they own the forum and constantly bash others, both new and old, whenever they ask even the simplest and most innocuous jelly bean questions. Even with the stickies, any forum in xda is always a mess of info, both good and bad, poorly written, and conflicting. Not to mention this stuff changes at a drop of a hat, and is frequently wrong. As long as xda allows noobs to easily sign up and post, because this is a public forum after all, there will always be an endless stream of noob questions, especially about jelly bean. Asking about something, especially WHY isn't it out yet, does not constitute whining. It's actually on-topic. Littering every other post complaining about the noobs however, IS WHINING. If you are so annoyed, go create a private forum of your own. Maybe go lobby xda to ban everyone that asks a dumb question, which is pretty much 99% of the users here. Or you could just get off your soapbox, learn to skim past posts you are not interested in, and STOP WHINING.