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whats the progress?

on rooting and maybe making a custom rom for the cdma hero? i know the hero sdk was given out the devs just recently.

fixxxer2008 said:
on rooting and maybe making a custom rom for the cdma hero? i know the hero sdk was given out the devs just recently.
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Yeah this needs to happen. I'm so sick of looking at sprint nascar and other crap loaded on this. it's like getting a new laptop with bloatware and not being able to scrub it.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572286

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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572286
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Shouldnt this thread get moved to the CDMA section?

Sorry for being a 'troll'
Keep asking everyday.

Wooooaaaaahhhhhh...
I read this forum almost everyday. I read it because I am excited to see what's going on. I enjoy being 'right there' on the latest news. Quite honestly, everyone who visits this forum should be excited to see this phone get 'rooted.' This makes it customizable to our liking and not what HTC/Sprint likes for us.
I use Sprint Navigation, but that's about it. My real point being that I love XDA, PPCGeeks and all these other communities because they are as excited as I am, typically. People are posting because they want to know how its progressing and how the process is done. I know I would be interested in learning about rooting, cooking, so on and so forth. It's interested watching these pro's and noob's alike come together on this new challenge.
Not to mention we got our first CDMA sub-forum that I've seen on this site. It must mean we have a spot here and that the Hero will be rooted and mods/themes will be available. Not to mention that it could be assumed that things will move faster on our device than others simply because the GSM version is already rooted, along with other Android devices.
If you don't like what's cookin', get outta the kitchen...

notrock said:
This is getting out of control. The phone has only been out for 3 WEEKS!!!!! (GSM doesn't count) Everyone including myself wants the Sprint ware off. But in reality its not in our way. I don't think anyone working on it is going to answer in fear of being annoyed to death. As time draws near I'M SURE THERE WILL BE A THREAD 'I almost replaced the boot loader on the CDMA hero' Or do you honestly think we are being intentionally left in the dark? I'm pretty sure no HTC device was able to be flash after week 3. I'm also pretty sure reverse engineering a boot loader takes some time and quality control. But go ahead rush this process.
What if it takes a YEAR or not at all?
Are we going to continue to see daily posts?
Will this madness ever end? Are people capable of enjoying a great phone without flashing it?
I love how 'Bump' has been replaced with 'I subscribed'
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Bro you are way off base, the original poster probably came to the forums seen the CDMA sup forum for the hero then created a post asking for updates. Not a big deal really.
And in the original posters message he was asking if people needed help so if an offer to help is rushing the process then I for one am all for that.

notrock said:
This is getting out of control. The phone has only been out for 3 WEEKS!!!!! (GSM doesn't count) Everyone including myself wants the Sprint ware off. But in reality its not in our way. I don't think anyone working on it is going to answer in fear of being annoyed to death. As time draws near I'M SURE THERE WILL BE A THREAD 'I almost replaced the boot loader on the CDMA hero' Or do you honestly think we are being intentionally left in the dark? I'm pretty sure no HTC device was able to be flash after week 3. I'm also pretty sure reverse engineering a boot loader takes some time and quality control. But go ahead rush this process.
What if it takes a YEAR or not at all?
Are we going to continue to see daily posts?
Will this madness ever end? Are people capable of enjoying a great phone without flashing it?
I love how 'Bump' has been replaced with 'I subscribed'
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dude.. are you serious? now i have been doing the forum thing for years now. Usually an observer. And I guess I do see my share of post of people getting mad for other enthused people asking questions about progress on certain things. But congratulations! You earned my response, and not many have. I just need to say chillax! Go troll somewhere else. You are worst then the people who ask idiotic questions (not that this thread is one at all)
p.s. Sorry everyone for wasting your time with this nonsense. I don't make it a habit.
SoLo

So.....

I hardly post here, this is known.
Even still....The end of the month is coming up for early adopters. Still no custom roms. This is not good news.
I pondered a resolution...and other than returning for a refund and waiting for the fascinate, I couldn't really come up with anything.
About a month ago, I was fortunate enough to read a donation thread in this section of the boards that was titled: "help buy a droid x, for developer" .
Obviously that idea has been done. So i thought what can be better?
im going to cut to the chase. most of you HAVE to know the deal and have some idea of what we need. Hopefully some of you know exactly what we need and work with it daily Perhaps somebody here has a friend that has a connection. Instead of fearing the efuse, we can start a fund for the individual(who will remain anonymous) who can upload the engineering ROM, encryption keys AND the bootloader. Once the files are verified as authentic by the talented members of xda, then the raised funds will be transferred over to the anonymous uploader of said data.
Discuss.

Uh...
No, thanks

OMNIPOTENT1 said:
im going to cut to the chase. most of you HAVE to know the deal and have some idea of what we need. Hopefully some of you know exactly what we need and work with it daily Perhaps somebody here has a friend that has a connection. Instead of fearing the efuse, we can start a fund for the individual(who will remain anonymous) who can upload the engineering ROM, encryption keys AND the bootloader. Once the files are verified as authentic by the talented members of xda, then the raised funds will be transferred over to the anonymous uploader of said data.
Discuss.
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sure, thats a bad idea for a couple of reasons, legal issues come to mind
we have root with froyo coming soon and the sbf just came out. id say were doing pretty good for being three weeks from launch. enjoy it for what it is and enjoy the goodies as they come. There arent many we dont already have.

custom roms dont entice people? LOL. wow.
That is all that the X needs, as it will add longevity to the device. Being binded to motorolas software release schedule, really blows. This is a great unit, it just needs some work on the software. Said fixes that most likely will only be done by devs on these forums.
Thanks LegionTHEFecalExcretion, i knew about the security breach and the sbf. Hey, at least you offered somewhat of an answer and not some peabrain bot rebuttal.

The encryption keys are, I'm very sure, tightly controlled at Motorola. Most companies have software design/build control where software ready for compiling gets checked in and typically encryption keys are locked away within these build control systems.
This means that, not only do you have to raise enough money to make it worthwhile for the person to potentially lose their job and get sued, but it's not usually all the average-Joe programmers who have access. It's probably the higher-up project managers or coding leads.
I just don't see the donation pile getting big enough to entice someone already making a very good living to take a change on losing their livelihood and getting sued over it.

Why not just enjoy the phone, be happy with the current root abilities, and know that at some point we will be able to load custom roms. Yes I want to load a vanilla rom just as bad as the next guy, however I am tired of seeing people ask "are you done, are you done, are you done yet?, how about now, now? maybe now"?
Give some breathing room to these guys, maybe they have kids, jobs, wifes, a life.

I don't understand why you guys have to be mean to the guy. He is new to the forum and probably new to smart phones. He may even have very little knowledge of what a programming environment would be like and how great the downside could be for someone to leak said information. He had what he thought was a good idea and was a b it ignorant. That does not mean he should be treated like crap.

I have some advice for you omni, go get yourself an iphone and leave this forum... i can't believe that you would have the mentality to whine about some of the brightest minds that we have come to respect in this forum, complaning that they don't work fast enough for you... your a very selfish person who has no right to treat the respected members of this forum in such a way.
I for one love this phone and will continue to use it with or without custom roms...
And a special thanks to those working on the bootloader/ custom rom programming... we will wait for your perfection.
Sent from my DROIDX using XDA App

Some phones are easier to work with then others. The DX has not been out that long, have patience.
As an example the Droid Incredible was rooted and a custom recovery added pretty dang quick. On the other hand the Droid Eris took awhile to root and even then, some Eris users had "upgraded" to one of several "leaked" roms and could not root while others that did not leak could. I was a "leak" adopter and it took them several more months to finally get root for the "leaked" Eris owners.
Give it time. They will figure it out eventually.
Or go get something that is more customizable, like the DInc.

People using YOUR ROMS to make money..interesting

I called and spoke to the arrogant person who ran this ad on Craigs List and found out they he truly thinks what he is doing is "alright". From what I see, using ROMS created here and posted by DEVs here at XDA to make cash is a little more than shady. When I called, I posed as a customer and tried not to laugh as the guy stuttered through the "how to" of installing Android. The funny thing is that he claims they are doing a FULL INSTALL of Android, "converting" the phone to Android from WM.................. They are charging people $99 for this "service". I told the guy that $99 sounded a little high a charge just to drop a folder on a SD card (yeah..i know theres a lil more to it but I'm sure that comment made him feel stupid after telling me the "how to" of it all..lol). I also told him that i was a member here at XDA and I wanted to know which ROMS he was using to make this money. He told me he was "Charging for the ROMs, just the service". My problem with that is this, HE didnt create the roms and NEVER claimed to. He DID however admit to being a member here.........................
http://panamacity.craigslist.org/mob/2043941262.html
What do you think?
like i said the guy said he is a member here...so if you're reading this please do share your inane little excuses for what you are doing. Just wondering, do you happen to send a check at the end of the month to each of the DEVs for use of their ROMS? Or is this something that is not frowned upon around this community UNLIKE others?

get everyone you can to to flag this as prohibited and spam him with emails saying how wrong it is.
people disgust me..... what they will do to make a little money..... stealing other peoples work and marketing it as their own. lying cheating little worthless ******** ******* **********

malaeus said:
get everyone you can to to flag this as prohibited and spam him with emails saying how wrong it is.
people disgust me..... what they will do to make a little money..... stealing other peoples work and marketing it as their own. lying cheating little worthless ******** ******* **********
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Everyone should give the guy a call and let him know how they feel about it. I asked the idiot whos roms he is using and he wouldnt say anything. He actually gave the phone over to some arrogant little prick who said, "you have a great day sir". The idiot didnt even try to defend himself or "explain" why they are charging $99 to put Android on HD2s.

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This scam has been around for a while unfortunately
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

Unfortunately these ass-clowns will just pop up somewhere else, but well done guys, I cant stand people who make money in this way, $99 vs a little research, I know what I would rather do.

Look at this guy!
http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/mob/2043679363.html
and look what this one claims! LOL
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/mob/2044497140.html

Yeah I've seen this ads also but never $99 that's just crazy.
These guys post these ads waiting for people who don't know about sites like XDA. I got a lot of people around my way who have an HD2 and want Android or custom wm rom and I just text them the forum link and tell them to READ and LEARN. If you start doing it for them they call you drowning you with questions and problems because we all know no Android build is perfect (yet) and you can't sell something that's going to turn a one time sale into series of complaints from customers you charged for something you never created yourself.
Shame on these guys and they should be banned from XDA.

I ran across one like that in my local area CL a few weeks back. I simply took his original subject line and added [FAKE] at both ends, then posted pretty much the full instructions on setting up Android on HD2 in my reply. Copied and pasted the whole deal and saved it to a txt file so I would have it if ever I happen to see it on there again.
These folks are the lowest of the low. Making money from other folks hard work, and screwing their so called customers as well. Pure slime!

What these guys were doing is obviously wrong. I wonder where the line is, exactly?
I mean, time is valuable and if you're taking the time to mod someone's phone for them, compensation isn't unreasonable.
Personally, the few times I've "redone" someone's phone, I've done it out of the goodness of my heart in the interest of paying it forward.
For an HD2, though? It doesn't get much easier than dropping some files onto an SD card, ya know? Doing my friend's MyTouch 3G was a pain simply because of the different models out there. Doing recon on a phone I don't own was enough of a pain to think about taking money but the notion of using someone else's work to profit was enough to make me think otherwise.
Thoughts?

Update:
the idiot actually called my phone wanting to know what my problem was! It seems that he was a little paranoid about the first phone call I made to him. I let him know that his CL ad was posted here on xda and people would be flagging his ads. He asked if I had posted his number, I told him "no but of course its in your ad so whatever".
This idiot actually said that what he is doing is no different than charging someone to fix a car. Saying, "mechanics use knowledge, parts and tools that they did not create". WTF? I tried for 20 min to help him understand that people are kind enough to make these roms and that he is wrong for using them for profit. At the end of the conversation I was right where I started, he just didn't get it. I've said it before and ill say it again, the world wasn't ready for the technology we have now and is you want proof, just walk into a room and ask how many techs are willing to help you with something........every idiot with an internet connection is the next Dave Wozniack (sorry if I spelled Woz's name wrong)
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Sleef said:
What these guys were doing is obviously wrong. I wonder where the line is, exactly?
I mean, time is valuable and if you're taking the time to mod someone's phone for them, compensation isn't unreasonable.
Personally, the few times I've "redone" someone's phone, I've done it out of the goodness of my heart in the interest of paying it forward.
For an HD2, though? It doesn't get much easier than dropping some files onto an SD card, ya know? Doing my friend's MyTouch 3G was a pain simply because of the different models out there. Doing recon on a phone I don't own was enough of a pain to think about taking money but the notion of using someone else's work to profit was enough to make me think otherwise.
Thoughts?
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people here usually lost their reasoning when seeing such topics. So don't bother having a constructive discussion on the time/energy spent on modding people's phones.

I wonder what HTC would think about people charging for this as it is a little naughty.
The devs don't charge, hell HTC probably get good ideas from them, so they're tolerated but if they had a list of people charging for this they might not look so kindly on them. Included is the unhappy customers who might have problems.
Karma's a ***** and I can see the day they WILL get ***** slapped back into the time before mobile phones...

jagpoag said:
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the idiot actually called my phone wanting to know what my problem was! It seems that he was a little paranoid about the first phone call I made to him. I let him know that his CLUB ad was posted here on xda and people would be flagging his ads. He asked if I had posted his number, I told him "no but of course its in your ad so whatever".
This idiot actually said that what he is doing is no different than charging someone to fix a car. Saying, "mechanics use knowledge, parts and tools that they did not create". WTF? I tried for 20 min to help him understand that people are kind enough to make these roms and that he is wrong for using them for profit. At the end of the conversation I was right where I started, he just didn't get it. I've said it before and ill say it again, the world wasn't ready for the technology we have now and is you want proof, just walk into a room and ask how many techs are willing to help you with something........every idiot with an internet connection is the next Dave Wozniack (sorry if I spelled Woz's name wrong)
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His comaparison to mechanics fixing your car is stupid. Mechanics charge and fix cars with other peoples products but they pay for those products. What is he giving the developers who make the roms and builds? Taking your time to do something might be worth some compensation and that really depends if it requires a skill you have trained or studied for but something as simple as flashing and copying over a folder is not worth the crazy fees their charging especially for something that is made by developers for a community of smartphone users who can voluntarily donate. The guides are there for everyone to do this on their own. You dont need special training or a college degree to get android on an HD2. All the hard work has been done already by the developers. The rest is simple.

tantrum829 said:
His comaparison to mechanics fixing your car is stupid. Mechanics charge and fix cars with other peoples products but they pay for those products. What is he giving the developers who make the roms and builds? Taking your time to do something might be worth some compensation and that really depends if it requires a skill you have trained or studied for but something as simple as flashing and copying over a folder is not worth the crazy fees their charging especially for something that is made by developers for a community of smartphone users who can voluntarily donate. The guides are there for everyone to do this on their own. You dont need special training or a college degree to get android on an HD2. All the hard work has been done already by the developers. The rest is simple.
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This guy is one of those that talks down to people and tries to convince everyone around him that anything he does is of some alien skill that other humans just cant seem to grasp. I'm sure a lot of you know the type, the "gurus" as I've heard them called...lol. These people are all the same, google is the only "knowledge" they have on any subject at the end of the day.
I had fun with the guy over the phone to say the very least. He could not answer any of my questions at all, just wanted to keep insulting me and making inane excuses. As far as the mechanic comment, he also tried to compare what he is doing to the work performed by a barber shop Typical idiot with the money to open a store but not enough knowledge to actually do anything worth a crap for customers. I fix computers for people who have taken their PCs to guys like this all the time. They all have a lot of stock in the store, pretty lights and talk "over your head" to try and smoke screen the fact that they really dont know anything past formatting your hard drive and installing windows all over again to fix ANYTHING....its pathetic.
Anyways, I will continue to contact anyone I see posting things like this on CL when I see them just as I have been doing for years with people posting "I can jailbreak your IDevice for $" ads. I cant stop them all but if everyone would call them out when they see it being done, maybe they would wake up. Like I told the guy on the phone, I'm sure there are teenagers here at XDA that have a bright future and create ROMs for the community. It's bad enough that someone like him would use another persons work for profit but stealing from kids also?
I noticed I started this thread in the wrong section, I'm sorry about that. Thanks to whomever moved it for me.

richteralan said:
people here usually lost their reasoning when seeing such topics. So don't bother having a constructive discussion on the time/energy spent on modding people's phones.
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Heh. You're probably right.
I guess, ideally, if you're working on a phone that actually takes some time and effort to spiff up, you could say "Give me five bucks and put five bucks into (your dev here)'s paypal account."
Those are arbitrary figures but you get the idea. I'm sure scumbags will still profit without giving credit or a share of the loot but there's also the notion that some people will do it honestly.

I see your point guys but I cannot agree with you at all.
I'll say it with just a few words: capitalism, time and money. Those words should explain the whole situation.
What is more, I don't think it's just copying files to an SD Card. It takes a lot of time to test everything and to fix specific problems with the roms themselves. To know exactly what's the difference between a TMobile HD2, or Telstra HD2, etc.
I respect people's work here. I also try to donate to any person that makes my HD2 happy But I don't think you can criticise that guy's work. Personally, I've been more than one month spending my time on Android and I know for sure most people won't be able to do it the way I do. You're also working on borrowed hardware designed to run windows mobile and finally but most important you are working on other people's software (Android Kernel, Hi Mr. Google and thanks for that BTW) that made all of this possible.
Guys, think it this way. What's better? To have someone with experience taking all responsability working on your phone? Or to have a nice, expensive and useless brick (TMobile HD2 and .50 radios anybody?).
Ok, let the flame on me begin

This unfortunately isn't the first time I've these douchebags taking credit from our hardworking devs. Ill do my part and flag down their postings.
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http://mcallen.en.craigslist.org/mob/2043216730.html
http://mcallen.en.craigslist.org/mob/2042750762.html

Sorry i don't get why most you are so upset when it comes to charging for a service. You r all talking about giving no credit and making money with other peoples work.
I have to say I am a experienced pc user but it took me a couple of days reading, researching to get my first build to work properly. Even now I have some pickups from time to time. Not talking about bricking phones while flashing a well working window build and a good radio Rom.
I totally agree with you that its kind of shabby to charge for other peoples work. But in this case the guy is responsible to get the phone up and running like his customers expect it. If he bricks a phone he has to replace it, if he breaks the phone physically he has to replace it, if his customer is unhappy with his work he has to refund and I haven't even mentioned the time he needs to get Android running, shipping the phone answering phone calls and so on.
It's like charging for fixing other peoples pc, console what ever... you get charged for the service. What do you think how much OS software is used out there and you get charged. Those people invest there time and effort to get something working what you can't do because you are not callable, don't have time, take the risk or any other reason you could think of. It's like those guys are selling instructions and telling you how to do it on your own bit don't take any responsibility if something is not working as expected. What do you think how many people go to service stores to get there cell phones fixed, updated, debranded or what ever? thousands every day and they get charged for it. What do you think those guys are using? You are right, tool that other people created and some of them they don't have to pay for.
Are you working without charge for your customers? You seems to be the welfare. Do you wanna come over and mow my lawn, clean my house and fan me some fresh air with a palm leaf?
$99 sounds much to us and even for me i won't take this service for that price. If somebody is willing to spent it, he should go ahead and do it. If somebody else is willing to offer the same service for a lower price, even better. And somebody is willing to do it without payment, perfect. But the last guy shouldn't complain if he is not able to pay his bills.
post is free for rant.
€dit: @jagpoag, you are a prick! sorry normally i don't call anybody i never spoke to, names he might get upset about. but your last post was just ridiculousness. Complaining about the wording, the argumentation, knowledge and language. You might wanna read your post again and reconsider your wording, spelling and so on. Ever thought about the fact that English is not the main language for somebody. oh no i forgot, you are American, just to bring up a little bit more preconceptions. Not everybody is as bright as you are figuring out technical thinks in the time you can. My mother can't, my sister can't, my boss can't and a whole lot of other people i know would kill there phones with inattention. they don't even want to figure out stuff like that, because they are not interested in it and are willing and able to pay somebody else for things they don't want any hassle with. I would have much more harsh words for you but i think i would get kicked out of a great place called xda-dev if i really say what i am thinking.
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My thoughts against unthankful users.

Just wanted to mention that all the users who attacked the devs have changed their tune since oem support is crap.
I've been holding my feeling against all the ignorant users who attacked the devs.
Thanks, that is all.

I'm not sure exactly what you were trying to say, but I got the gist of it.
And I agree.
That is all.

Translation:
All those who attacked the devs and coined them faildev.team are all of a sudden changing their tune now that they are speaking out about their projects, and OEM support has been so crappy.
Sad that people act like this.

I dont undestand why anyone would attack the developers. They aren't obligated to do anything, what they do is out of their own will and desire to better the device. If people have a problem with the phone then blame the manufacturer, not the people picking up after their mess.

Thanks for the translation...

FDro said:
I dont undestand why anyone would attack the developers. They aren't obligated to do anything, what they do is out of their own will and desire to better the device. If people have a problem with the phone then blame the manufacturer, not the people picking up after their mess.
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People demand instant gratification, and when they do not get it, they get ugly because they think for some reason, they are owed everything. Then there is the jealousy factor. Then there are those who think the devs withhold stuff from the community.
Then there are those who just attack me because they can.
The android community is young, and due to it being user friendly, it attracts young folks. Some just happen to be very immature. It *should* get better with time.

All this cool and dandy...
However developers also have some room to improve situation on the forums.
As adrynalyne pointed here there is a lot of childish behavior here. But developers, being leaders of community, not always behave as such.
I understand all sorts of emotions etc. I personally fall victim of them... Sorry if I hurted somebodys feelings.
But, I cannot stand some sort of elitism growing here.
Devs, please do not threat rest of the crowd as a bunch of morons! It will reflect positively on you as well.
If you have time to read all crappy posts on the forums and post aggravated responses, why do not spend this time typing meaningful response, holding grain of knowledge? If not, just stay calm and do not feed flame.
I do not want to repeat myself again and again. Just want to see some professionalism and respect in forums. It's not going to help moving to IRC, twitter or whatever. Root cause must be resolved.
Personally I was really impressed, more by anything else, of adrynalyne responding to that guy posted leak on other forums. Seriously! It was so different from how I percept him at forum. Like completely different person.
Respect!

While moving to irc may be unfortunate for some...it provides real time interaction for development. That simply is not possible on a forum. I work with a lot of people, and can fix problems 90% faster in real time.
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FDro said:
I dont undestand why anyone would attack the developers. They aren't obligated to do anything, what they do is out of their own will and desire to better the device. If people have a problem with the phone then blame the manufacturer, not the people picking up after their mess.
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I totally agree, the devs have my support in anything that they do, in whatever time frame they can make happen. Still better then the OEM time frame for an "update".

i hope the poster(s) who jumped all over the devs awhile back (i forget who) arent using anything that they have done recently and will avoid froyo/gb unless it comes from verizon/samsung

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i hope the poster(s) who jumped all over the devs awhile back (i forget who) arent using anything that they have done recently and will avoid froyo/gb unless it comes from verizon/samsung
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adrynalyne said:
While moving to irc may be unfortunate for some...it provides real time interaction for development. That simply is not possible on a forum. I work with a lot of people, and can fix problems 90% faster in real time.
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And that's OK. Unfortunately it doesn't leave any footprints anywhere else.
That's why we same questions everyday... Technical or whatever. The commonality between them is that they do not have posted answers here.
I'm talking for myself only. Please do not take it personally in any way and keep in mind that my English is not my native language, so something might sound harsh.
Like I got an understanding that RIL is the problem, by I was unable to find any technical explanation why, what was done to overcome etc. So, I asked here... I even do not want to think about what resulted. And all I wanted to have some technical answer, and may be share some ideas, because I'm in the IT field as well...
Now, looks whats going on around. Punkkaos got it working at least partially. I understand that other people contributed, and work probably started not 10 minutes ago. But nonetheless RIL is in progress or already done.
How I suppose to feel about this? I'm mixed.
Fist of all I'm THANKFUL for you guys who put all time and efforts in this! I'm not going to use it immediately, but I like that secure feeling that phone will not become a paperweight in 6 months down the road. I definitely will enjoy results of this work in the close future.
But, I need to admit that I have another side, as well. It's not necessarily dark, just kind of human nature, I guess. It kind of disappointment...
I ask myself - well, if it is done and done pretty quickly, why it didn't happened before? Months ago...
Like, just an assumption, please do not take it personally.
I think what if devs took a quick look and it didn't worked immediately and samsung promised update soon. People think - OK, we will wait for update, not worth to spend time on it. But time goes and goes and there is no update or leak... And tension is going up and up. And all this is OK and well understood. But doesn't solve the problem.
Yesterday, I've created twitter account (yes, call me a dinosaur) and specifically asked punkkaos how he addressed the problem. And guess what, he answered as expected that RIL is basically adapted and he does call result translation between old and new one. This is exactly how I would personally approach this problem myself.
My point here is that aside of actual work to be done, it is not rocket science. It is well known approach in programming.
And now you can throw all rocks you have into me, saying that if I so smart ass why I do not do it myself. That, right.
But, I know my limits and I'm not going to wipe out one of my comps, partition it to install Linux, to install tool chain, sources etc, to reinstall Windows and all crap me and my family needs in everyday life, just to try adapt RIL knowing that I will fail, because of my zero knowledge of subject. Or, even worse without knowing that it was already attempted and failed. And it was attempted by someone who is really ample to do it. Do you see holding factors?
That's why I asked questions. And being this question answered properly, who knows, may be another brave soul would had managed to accomplish what punkkaos did, but one month earlier, simpler or better. I feel like bad temper and communication let community down, at least temporarily.
And I think we are all at fault here. No need to point fingers.

No one is at 'fault' here. Your sense of entitlement is astounding; you are not owed anything. This OP was directed at people like you.

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No one is at 'fault' here. Your sense of entitlement is astounding; you are not owed anything. This OP was directed at people like you.
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Did I ever said that I'm owed? My grief is about this particular community in general. And because we all members, we all equally responsible for a atmosphere here. Or you think that bashing somebody here helps a lot?
And you know what? OP is right at the moment, I'll stay away from any custom roms or mods or whatever. At least for now. Because to be "cool" is not only thing in my life anymore. I outgrown it long time ago.
My crave for update is stemming not from desire to have highest score in quadrant, but from wish to have stable, usable and secure platform, from which IMHO any current phone is far away.
Out of the box SF is fairly usable, thought not ideal. Having Froyo and GB, means that I can get all bug fixes, improvements and new features such as native code extensions for applications and games, enterprise stuff etc.
Using rooted phone might be OK for me, but definitely not for my wife or children. So, manufacturer support is still important. Unfortunately my believe in Samsung faded out very quickly. And that essentially raised importance of independent developers proportionally. I do not see anything wrong with it.

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No one is at 'fault' here. Your sense of entitlement is astounding; you are not owed anything. This OP was directed at people like you.
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this guy does not seem to be in the entitlement crowd. He even states that english is a second language and to cut him some slack. I think what he was trying to say is that he was disappointed that samsung kept getting everybodies hopes up, which may have pushed devs off of working on getting things rolling for this device (why wouldn't they wait when they are being told froyo is on the way? From what I understand it would be easier to rip through that and make changes than to pull it off a different phone and sort of start from scratch). This doesn't sound too "tinfoil hat" to me, and certaintly doesn;t come off as entitled. More like he was pointing out one possible contributing factor as to why there has been a lot of waiting around (not complaining here guys, statement of fact. Did/do appreciate all the nonfroyo/gb roms and fixes that have been pushed out for us) for word of froyo. Now that Kaos/JT/Birdman have gotten some Froyo alpha's posted up, I am getting the feeling that the floodgates are about to open.

2 cents
I am not a developer.
My phone was decent out of the box.
Thanks to all the developers hard work, that i don't yet have the ability to do, my phone has gone from decent to fantastic.
The best part is that they aren't done yet
The future is exciting and if i ever think i am entitled to anything from someone elses work then, please, someone on here ***** slap me.
To all developers on here....you have my respect and gratitude. You have improved my life and saved my ass more than once. (Or twice)
Please keep doing your thing. And when i learn how to help i will.
Sent from my fascinate through xda app.

Well, the goal isn't to instill hostility, but to bring awareness to be thankful.
I can see what CNemo means because he doesn't understand what's going on. I can assure you that there is no intended elitism going on. Most of the roms tested in irc are shared here as soon as they are determined to be stable enough for testing.
It may seem like there is no transparency, but actually if you care, there is... The source codes are public. You can see what the devs are doing on github.

Yeah I've tried the whole, "Im just gonna throw it out there on the forums" thing. It does not work well, and you end up ticking people off when things stop working. Always best for the IRC crowd to muddle through the stuff first.

adrynalyne said:
Yeah I've tried the whole, "Im just gonna throw it out there on the forums" thing. It does not work well, and you end up ticking people off when things stop working. Always best for the IRC crowd to muddle through the stuff first.
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I agree and disagree. I disagree because it's nice to have this stuff in the forums where more people can try it. On the other hand, no matter how many warnings you give, there are going to be those who AREN'T comfortable with ADB, etc and go ahead and do it anyway... then we as a community lose valuable time while you fix everyone's fubar. It's frustrating to me, I can only imagine being on the other side. As far as Devs go, I don't envy them... It's the utimate "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.
Aside from donations and thanks, the other way to support the Dev community is to PAY for apps. I have quite a few paid apps on my phone. The only caveat to that is when I'm looking at an app and I'm unsure if I want/need it. From time to time I'll grab it from ********* and give it a 5min test spin. If it works, I uninstall and grab it from the Market. If it doesn't, I just uninstall. I know (for the most part) that we're talking about two separate types of devs, but the point is the same... if you're using someone's work... support them!
In response to the post above, I think I get what he was saying... I've done some programming (old school, mostly... BASIC, MS Acess) and while that doesn't really apply to Android at ALL, there may be some of us that have ideas that could help. In the end, a variable is a variable is a variable. I've thrown questions and ideas out only to be ignored. I don't take it personally, but even a "no, dip****... it doesn't work like that" would be appreaciated

No seriously, the guys in IRC will flash anything thrown at them... Some of them will end up with serious issues that were found to be seriously flawed.
Here's an example. VooDoo 5. When it first started rolling around in IRC from jt, it was considered unstable. It did not have the tools required for the average user to repair their phone. Adrynalyne preemptively produced the DI01 all in one ROM to repair everything from the radio, the kernel, the MBR, the recovery even... Did Adrynalyne have to do that? No, he did it because he knew that kinds of issues that would arrive when VooDoo 5 was introduced. Then VooDoo 5 was released.
Compared to VooDoo 4, the amount of incidents are exponentially less because of Adrynalyne putting a fix out there.
Also with phone repairs, it's much easier to help someone fix something in real time than it is to wait on them to try something, post, wait for response, in that sequence than it is to discuss the repair live in a chatroom.
BTW, this is in no offense to anyone. This is to clarify why some of the people are perceived as elitists. It's not that the IRC crowd are elitists, it's that they're more up to date with the latest development because they're busy flashing and screwing up their phones first so that you don't have to. On the same token, if you want to learn/test latest development, hop on IRC and ask any of the guys in #Samsung-Fascinate for help. It's very friendly in there contrary to what you would think (as long as you're not wozzy/sherwood1).

[Request] Bootloader and non-devs

To people that troll the forum... shut up if you arent helping with dev...
Especially dont be rude and drive them away... They are our only hope until moto releases an unlock bootloader - if ever
P.S I know this isnt dev related... But I hope the post can be here for a bit so people can see this.
Link below... CellZealot pointed out we arent very warm to people just trying to help.... Lets not be like that....
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/android-hacks/6511-moto-atrix-4g.html#post58112

Hopefully, "Recognized Developer" status will help with this, since it will allow said developers to partially police their own threads (yay the ability to close your own thread until you're ready to say more!). But that's still several weeks away.

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Hopefully, "Recognized Developer" status will help with this, since it will allow said developers to partially police their own threads (yay the ability to close your own thread until you're ready to say more!). But that's still several weeks away.
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+1. Can't come quickly enough

It really does astound me the amount if hatred and misinformation being spread around about this device, and a lot of it comes from people who don't even own one, or used it for a day and returned it. Very sad indeed. I agree with Sogarth, though

+1 So many people just spew out things not fully understanding, or make statements because they made changes to their device that they don't fully understand. My viewpoint is if you are going to make a change to your device, you should know what the change you are making is and the consequences of such. If you modify your software by modding files know that updates released by the manufacturer will not work on your device unless you put it back to factory.
Quite a few people here state moto is intentionally bricking their device because they can't install the update over their mods. It's problematic because it breeds misinformation as well as hatred/flamewars on the boards
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It really does astound me the amount if hatred and misinformation being spread around about this device, and a lot of it comes from people who don't even own one, or used it for a day and returned it. Very sad indeed. I agree with Sogarth, though
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+1. Without Dev's, this device is just another "one year wonder" (if even in my use). We need to attract Devs, not push them away.

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+1 So many people just spew out things not fully understanding, or make statements because they made changes to their device that they don't fully understand. My viewpoint is if you are going to make a change to your device, you should know what the change you are making is and the consequences of such. If you modify your software by modding files know that updates released by the manufacturer will not work on your device unless you put it back to factory.
Quite a few people here state moto is intentionally bricking their device because they can't install the update over their mods. It's problematic because it breeds misinformation as well as hatred/flamewars on the boards
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For some reason this reminded me of an article on Engadget that was posted a while back:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/23/editorial-the-dark-side-of-android-hacking/
I'm always amazed at how many people manage to fudge up their phones and don't take responsibility for it, or try and blame the developer. I think there was a flare up last night because an Android blog posted something in a similar vein stating CyanogenMod was "ruining" a bunch of phones.
Going back to the Nexus One, I've always been amazed by how people talk to the devs here. They have much thicker skin than I do, thankfully. Haha.

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+1. Without Dev's, this device is just another "one year wonder" (if even in my use). We need to attract Devs, not push them away.
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Sigh... We really need devs badly for the atrix

That was one of the things I remembered reading a while back and it stuck with me, I remembered from my time working for Apple how people would **** up their phones jailbreaking it because they thought it would always be "one click and done". My girlfriend has an iPhone and wants to jailbreak it so she can do "cool things" with it. But she has no idea what the cool things she can do are. Nor the consequences that can happen should she mindlessly update her phone. Even I am sometimes skeptical of hacking my device until I know I can revert back.
As was said in Spiderman "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility"
In the end what people have to remember is that as Devs software gets cracked not because everyone asks for it to be done, but it's Because they can. Back in the day whenever someone would ask "Why are you bothering with this" the response was always "Why? Because I can." Users of the mods have to remember this and know that things don't always "Just work" you have to know what you are doing. Part of the reason I'm teaching myself bit by bit how to mod so I can take part properly in the Dev Community.
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For some reason this reminded me of an article on Engadget that was posted a while back:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/23/editorial-the-dark-side-of-android-hacking/
I'm always amazed at how many people manage to fudge up their phones and don't take responsibility for it, or try and blame the developer. I think there was a flare up last night because an Android blog posted something in a similar vein stating CyanogenMod was "ruining" a bunch of phones.
Going back to the Nexus One, I've always been amazed by how people talk to the devs here. They have much thicker skin than I do, thankfully. Haha.
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In the end what people have to remember is that as Devs software gets cracked not because everyone asks for it to be done, but it's Because they can. Back in the day whenever someone would ask "Why are you bothering with this" the response was always "Why? Because I can." Users of the mods have to remember this and know that things don't always "Just work" you have to know what you are doing. Part of the reason I'm teaching myself bit by bit how to mod so I can take part properly in the Dev Community.
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I remember that DEVS are doing this because they can, but now we have also some stimulus for the brave one(s) who'd crack the security issues that are preventing from flashing new kernels etc.
I also agree that if somebody is doing something with device like rooting, hacking Webtop or anything else should know what are they doing. I think that it'd be much more 'secure' - less number of bricked phones. But there are a lot of people that just want oneclick for everything, because the dont want/cant go into the command line, flashing or extraordinary instructions - its too complicated for them.

Moving this to general as not android development