Hi guys,
I do have a lot of contacts on my phone and this has perhaps caused a problem.
I'm currently on the Froyo stock ROM - and i noticed earlier that my contacts list amounts to about 20MB of space.
That's quite a lot since moving apps to sdcard is still limited in froyo stock.
Went to settings -> applications -> manage apps -> ALL -> Contacts storage
This file is 20MB big!
I've cleared data and copied a vcf backup and it's now 4MB.
Everytime my phone sync contacts with google or fb, the filesize blooms again.
Technically, i could disable sync contacts for gmail/fb/twitter, but i foresee this not as a long term solution.
Any ideas to keep this file size small and snappy?
or a contact application optimizer app?
Sounds to me, as if the profile-pictures are your problem. You could try to disable FB-Contact-sync and see, if the size still increases. If this is really the problem, then, technically speaking, your solution would be to downsize those profile pictures. Problem with this is, you would have to check after every fb-sync, if there were changes. I don't know of any app that handles this automaticaly fo you, but maybe there is a dev who has some spare time and like the idea?
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Sounds to me, as if the profile-pictures are your problem. You could try to disable FB-Contact-sync and see, if the size still increases. If this is really the problem, then, technically speaking, your solution would be to downsize those profile pictures. Problem with this is, you would have to check after every fb-sync, if there were changes. I don't know of any app that handles this automaticaly fo you, but maybe there is a dev who has some spare time and like the idea?
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Thanks for the feedback. I've already disabled sync with FB/gmail for contacts.
Hope someone might be keen to develop something for this. It's pretty annoying to have your contacts taking up space instead of having angry birds on your phone. LOL.
You really have a lot of contacts!! I have around 800 contacts and current storage is 8.59 mb.
So, 20 mb means you should have around 35.000 contacts. Is that right more or less? It is just to check. For example, if you have 300 contacts, then it is very strange that your Legend requires 20 mb and then, maybe, there is something wrong there.
I have a very rich info in my contacts, (phone, address, email, notes,...). Maybe you have a lot of pictures? I suppose they require a lot of storage.
technically, i have 300 friends with numbers, the others are from previous gmail syncs and totals at 1,200.
But it still doesn't make sense why it's bloated to a 20MB size.
It's frustrating. At the moment, i've disabled sync and it's been locked to 4.25MB.
Thing is, google sync/fb sync is not helping do much in terms of new contacts.
But where did the additional 16MB come from?
FB pics can't be that big right?
It's annoying because that's 16MB of space that could be used for other things.
i mean 16MB is really A LOT OF APPS. Or one big-sized fruit ninja or angry birds.
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I've been using Yahoo Go for Email/Contacts/Task/Calender/Photo retrieval and syncing between my Yahoo account and my TyTn. It's great mainly because it supports email folder access/syncing with my Yahoo Email account using the native WM5 mail client.
The issue i'm having is that it seems like the yconnections.exe program that is the guts of the thing seems like it has a memory leak or something. If I softboot my phone, yconnections.exe uses approx 430k of memory and the heap size is 150k, assuming the values are in KB, as per SKTools.
Note: Other (native WM5) programs also seem to use more and more memory as time goes on (gwes.exe, filesys.exe, etc) and i'm not sure if this is normal also?
Over a day or so the memory and heap size can increase dramatically (many MB's), to the point where there is so little free memory that a WM5 dialog box will pop up warning me of low memory and asking me to close applications to free up memory. At this point, I usually need to softboot.
Anyone have a similar experience or can explain whats happening? Also, can anyone explain the difference between "size" and "heap" as it relates to SKTools process information?
Thanks,
C
I can confirm the memory leak... I was attributing the leak to Active Sync till I installed a free task manager.
The Yahoo go application runs in the background and fetches emails on a user defined frequency.
I noticed that the application keeps increasing in size/footprint while active and the free memory on my phone goes from ~19 MB post install to less than ~4 MB within a couple (usually within 6 to 7 hours) of hours of use.
wow, you're totally right... this thing is leaking memory... is this yahoo's fault or the phones fault.
anyone else have ethis problem?
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wow, you're totally right... this thing is leaking memory... is this yahoo's fault or the phones fault.
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I don't use that yahoo go, but i have the same problem, even properly shutting down active programs doesn't sort it, when my memory gets low, i delete the 'previously viewed' web content in IE and soft reset, that brings the memory back up. Its a pain in the arse!
I downloaded the task manager (look for it on this forum) and use that to kill Yahoo Go!... so far I haven't needed to soft-reset since yesterday afternoon (usually had to do that every night to keep the phone stable and usable). Additionally, I currently have ~21 MB of free RAM to run my programs in.
I used the IE hack to move all the cache, history and cookie storage to my SD card, that helps a lot when browsing the web.
I also have SPB Pocket Plus installed that kills the programs on close (similar to the HTC close/X program); rather that the windows default behavior to minimize them.
Any one have a fix for the Yahoo Go! memory leak??
This is been a problem for it since it was released for Windows Mobile. I had it on my 8125 and it was terrible. I had to soft reset to actually get it to stop using memory. I haven't used it since.
Something is eating my internal memory. I'm aware of the BT issue, but I don't use BT... it has to be something else. Any pointers on how to track this down?
What do you mean by "eating"?
Apps and app data use internal memory.
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What do you mean by "eating"?
Apps and app data use internal memory.
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Yeah. but not at 5mb/day when I don't install anything.
I have also seen this. For example. I was up to 115 meg now I am at 100 meg with the same apps installed. I do use BT but I also know when I need to flush out the core files so that is not the issue. What I have noticed is when I use the browser or set up my email account is when I see the drop. I have gone to apps and deleted cache but have also learned when I do that on Mail, Browser and contacts I lose all my contacts, mail settings and bookmarks. I cannot believe those would eat up 10 meg of space. If I keep using these programs will my internal memory keep getting lower and lower. I also just started using peep yesterday, and that is when it dropped from about 105 to 100.
You can empty the browser cache by going into Settings in the Browser and hitting "Clear cache."
Go into Applications in the Settings menu. Go to all the apps you use, and hit "Clear data" Problem solved.
someone should make a app that does this automaticly if there isnt one yet.
I had this same problem. I went back to Best Buy and got a new replacement. The new phone even had the EVDO Rev A, instead of the Rev 0, and the new one has "with Google" on the back.
I have read that there were a large bad batch of these phones, and that there were issues with them.
I also read that there are also other issues involving SMS/Text and Bluetooth that may or not be related to this.
If you can, go to where you bought it and get a replacement, if at all possible.
Just my thoughts!
The phone I have does have Rev 1 and with google on the back so I don't think that is my issue. I also have no dust problem. I just see the memory drop daily and unless I go and clear cache daily it won't come back. This should not be nec IMO. There is not much left on the phone with nothing installed and seems to me using APP2SD we should not ever fall below 115-110. My wifes Moment has the same apps and she has about 220 left on hers
Hi,
I currently only have 4.98mb left of the 180.85mb total storage available on my device and am now getting 'critically low memory' warnings. I have not installed many apps or anything else to the phone and can't really understand why this is so high.
I had a look at the folders which are: -
Application Data 39.8mb
Documents and Settings 1.07mb
My Documents 2.77mb
Program Files 10.4mb
Windows - doesn't say but must be approx 115mb for the total to be correct? Is this normal?
Also, I have 115.06mb free of the 336.93mb total program memory available.
Is anyone else having similar issues? If the windows section is suppossed to use this high amount why has the phone not been allocated enough memory to deal with it?
Thanks
James
You should search a bit, but, empty the cache folder of HTCAlbum, Opera, etc.. in Application Data.
Thanks for the help. I have deleted the contects of the HTCalbum cache and Google maps and this has increased the available memory to 39.57mb.
Why should we have to delete cache data to be able to use our device? This seems a bit crap to me
Your memory usage is not normal- the HD2 has about 135MB free Storage Memory after a hard reset, so something has grabbed your memory somewhere.
I'd suggest downloading a small program called SpaceFinder which can give you a tree view of where the memory has gone sorted by folder size. It was designed for much older versions of WinMo but still works well. Some of the fiels it sees are in the ROM, but at least it will give you some clues.
Culprits for memory usage apart from the caches are music and video files- look in those folders to see if there's anything obvious.
Hello JJJJacksonjjjjj
Your problem is not new and has been reported many times on here.
If you look in the hints and tips thread in this forum there are a number of suggestions for clawing back memory space, which I suggest you implement.
Other thing is I bet you have been installing all of your apps onto the phome memory when you could have done so onto the storage card. If I am right then I would suggest you backup all your data using, say Sprite Backup or my preferred app which is SPB Backup, hard reset your phone and rebuild it from scratch, installing your apps carefully and onto the memory card instead.
Might sound a bit heavy handed but you will reap the benefits in the long run (If too drastic for you then deinstall and reinstall apps onto external memory instead without hard resetting).
I built my phone exactly this way from day one. Every app that gets installed gets assessed by me as to whether it needs to be in phone memory or not. If not then its straight onto the memory card (running an 8GB at the moment, waiting for the 32GB to come onstream and at at a reasonable price).
This, plus all the tips in the thread I mentioned earlier, have left me a happy bunny memory wise.
Good luck with it.
WB
Thanks guys, I am sorted now.
I downloaded spacefinder (really good program) and found out straight away that I had 30mb+ in Windows>Opera9>Profile>Download. I didn't know it kept all the downloaded cabs and pdfs etc you download (without saving), I thought these would be cleared when you exit Opera.
Also there were loads of facebook pictures in the temporary internet files of Internet Explorer! Why does it save all these?!
Anyway, I am now at 93.5mb free out of 180.85mb so all is good
Don't get me wrong I love my HD2 (and TP before) but HTC will never win over the mass market unless they sort out these kind of issues. Most people I know wouldn't have the first idea about all the messing about we have to do with these devices, and as a result they would have a sluggish, buggy device within weeks of normal use.
Without the help form you guys on XDA I would have probobly ditched the TP after a month or so, and I think I knew deep down I was being too hopeful, but I thought the HD2 would be free from the minor niggles I had with my TP.
That turned into a bit of a rant lol.
Thanks again guys.
...many problems are for cache of programs like htc album, opera, google maps...
...in this post there are many advice, and explain how to move the htc album cache to storage card
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=600578
...i have a good result with SKTOOLS program, because i had the same problem with the internal memory
good luck!
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Don't get me wrong I love my HD2 (and TP before) but HTC will never win over the mass market unless they sort out these kind of issues.
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Glad you're sorted- despite its age, I still always load Spacefinder as one of my 1st apps. Only 72KB and does exactly what it says!
Don't blame HTC for these issues- it is down to both MS and the application developers like Opera to define whether & where they store stuff.
At least the HD2 has a fair amount of free space- unlike earlier devices which ground to a halt because of these stupid problems.
Spacefinder download link please gents (google is not turning up what I am looking for)?
Cheers
WB
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Don't blame HTC for these issues- it is down to both MS and the application developers like Opera to define whether & where they store stuff.
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I am probably being a bit unfair to HTC, but a lot of the common issues most people seem to have are (as far as I can see) ones that HTC should sort - sms, pink camera etc (I didn't just mean the memory). How can they release a top line device with these issues and expect that users will check for and install fixes?
My point is that they are selling us a product; which they know things like Opera, the facebook app, HTC photo etc are integral to how it will be used by the consumer, so they should ensure these functions work reliably out of the box without user research and fixing.
I don't want to knock HTC (I wouldn't have any other device now), but there are always niggles that they should sort out before release
It seems as if there's some code in the SMS-receiving app that says 'if the phone is reporting low memory, fire a 'warning' notification and completely forget the message I just got sent'. We do not get to see who sent the message, and the sender is not sent a 'message failed' response.
As we know the phone reports 'low memory' a bit cautiously, you could actually have 10mb spare - plenty for an SMS. It's possible for the phone to reach a 'low memory' status whilst in your pocket, so the user doesn't know he's going to miss txts until one comes in.
Could really do with a mod to do something about this - still show the warning but accept the text as normal rather than dropping it?
This would go wrong if there actually isn't enough space to store the message (<1k?), but if the warning fires on every text then at least the user has had a chance to do something about it.
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It seems as if there's some code in the SMS-receiving app that says 'if the phone is reporting low memory, fire a 'warning' notification and completely forget the message I just got sent'. We do not get to see who sent the message, and the sender is not sent a 'message failed' response.
As we know the phone reports 'low memory' a bit cautiously, you could actually have 10mb spare - plenty for an SMS. It's possible for the phone to reach a 'low memory' status whilst in your pocket, so the user doesn't know he's going to miss txts until one comes in.
Could really do with a mod to do something about this - still show the warning but accept the text as normal rather than dropping it?
This would go wrong if there actually isn't enough space to store the message (<1k?), but if the warning fires on every text then at least the user has had a chance to do something about it.
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Can the Nexus One actually run out of memory to receive a mere SMS? :/ Has this ever happened to you before or is this just a hypothetical question/request?
I don't think he would talk so specifically about it in detail if he was just making it up. I've lost an sms before too.
I was under the warning limit, but between 10mb and 20mb free, and my phone decided to tell me there wasn't enough room on the phone when an sms came in and that's that. No indication as to whom it was from, and definitely no way to get it again.
Yeap, it definitely does this. I've had it happen a few times and very annoying it is too. The message never gets received but shows as delivered at the other end.
Yes it has happened to me several times since having the N1, and just a few days ago on 2.2. Sometimes it's been 'my fault' because I've ignored the 'low on memory' notification, sometimes it's been the first I've heard of it - by then it's too late.
Either way, just dropping the message like that is not good :-/
Oh, and no, I don't think I've ever *actually* run out of memory, I've seen that 'low memory' warning appear but still have just under 10mb free.
So I think the SMS-receiving-code is being overly cautious/strict.
+1 for some workaround for this situation, when I went from cyan ext3 to froyo stock and trying fit everything on I did lose a few texts, which I had no idea where they were from.
what is the low memory warning? Can this phone actually run out of memory?
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what is the low memory warning? Can this phone actually run out of memory?
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Low internal storage space. The SMS's are not saved in ram you know? Install too many applications and you run out of internal storage space.
So can we clarify if this is low MEMORY or low STORAGE being as the two are completely different?
I've had missing messages so this may explain it?
It is when you have low STORAGE. Internal storage to be precise. Would be nice if you could have SMS going to mem-card. But yes, I have had the same issue in the past. And there is no way to retrieve the 'delivered' message that I know of. Very annoying.
Yes, low storage.
Install a load of stuff... Google Earth and Fennec beta should do it, and you'll get the warning. But it's a bit over-sensitive, you could still have 10mb or so left.
There's an issue for this on the official tracker:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=4991
doesn't look like it'll be looked at in a hurry though as there's not very many stars... so I hope a mod might be possible until G gets around to it?
(if you want to register your interest in the issue just star it, no need to comment with a 'me too' unless you're adding some info)
Edit: please keep 'store messages on SD card' to another thread... that is a big job, and it's not like we would actually have problems storing one 250-character message when we've got 10mb of space. The fix is for it to ignore that warning.
IDEA, install a program that when internal mem is detected as below the threshold where the system will rej, and overwride the default messaging and take hold of the message itself (and presumably SD it)
a very irratating bug indeed.. i have missed countless sms cause i have tonz of apps installed on an unrooted fone; leading to low internal storage RAM and thus getting this error... FROYO isnt much of a help with the option to put apps to SD since the apps have to integrate that feature and 95% of apps currently in the marked dont have that feature YET.. even GOOGLE Earth (25mb <- WAAA so big!!!) ..
I've added a comment to the bug. I would suggest everyone else does if you want this bug fixed officially, otherwise talk nicely to a dev on this forum
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I've added a comment to the bug. I would suggest everyone else does if you want this bug fixed officially, otherwise talk nicely to a dev on this forum
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No, don't add a COMMENT, just add a STAR. 'Me too' comments get emailed to everyone and are annoying. STARs register interest. Thanks!
So is it possible to fix this with a mod? Is it even in the SMS app or is it some other code that handles receiving the message?
try this post for altering your low space threshold:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877793
I have had this happen to me too.
The most infuriating part of the matter is that the phone rejects the message, but the message is GONE forever. You have no idea who sent it, and they have no idea you never got the message. On top of that, there is still nearly 20mb of space left. WTF the phone needs to reject a 1kb sms when there is 20mb of space left completely blows my mind.
It is a terrible glitch and one of the few things I severely dislike about android.
One option could be an app for when the phone hits low storage, to put the phone in air plane mode?
This would prevent ANY sms from being rejected until you delete space, and take the phone out of air plane mode.
Once you get up to the limit on apps no matter where the low storage limit is set you always run the risk of running into it. It would be better to simply put all the data on sd, there would be no performance hit and the problem is permafixed. As an added advantage all your texts are backed up locally and with just a little more coding could be set up to be restored as needed when the app was reinstalled on the same or new device.
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I have had this happen to me too.
The most infuriating part of the matter is that the phone rejects the message, but the message is GONE forever. You have no idea who sent it, and they have no idea you never got the message. On top of that, there is still nearly 20mb of space left. WTF the phone needs to reject a 1kb sms when there is 20mb of space left completely blows my mind.
It is a terrible glitch and one of the few things I severely dislike about android.
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It is not that simple. AFAIK sms/mms are stored in the sqlite database. Which needs some maneuver space to operate normally. In fact, android SQLiteOpenHelper under certain threshold will open the database only in the readonly mode. Which seems to be happening here.
The pragmatic solution would be to "tweak" the free space display and show the real size minus some 30mb "reserve". So, the user would see "0 bytes left" and would not complain. Better still - stop receiving messages and signal "memory full" to the Short Message Service Center. Adding nagging notifications to the user. Seems like unfinished work by google.
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Once you get up to the limit on apps no matter where the low storage limit is set you always run the risk of running into it. It would be better to simply put all the data on sd, there would be no performance hit and the problem is permafixed. As an added advantage all your texts are backed up locally and with just a little more coding could be set up to be restored as needed when the app was reinstalled on the same or new device.
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The SD way would be a straight road to hell, since all the data can "disappear" from under your arse at any random moment.
It's enough just to plug-in the USB cable or simply pop-out the card (easily doable on many models).
Even worse: someone can easily delete anything on the card since it is a stupid FAT32 with no permissions whatsoever. O just insert different SD card from the different phone. It is far from trivial to define what should the apps do in this case.
I know I could use a program to back up my applications... but I am really against that kind of thing.
Every time I flash, which has become very often lately, I spend quite a bit of time getting the applications I really like from the market. I don't mind the download/install time, I just wonder if there would be some way to script this action so I could create a list of links or something to the applications, then just wait 10mins or so for them all to be downloaded and installed.
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I know I could use a program to back up my applications... but I am really against that kind of thing.
Every time I flash, which has become very often lately, I spend quite a bit of time getting the applications I really like from the market. I don't mind the download/install time, I just wonder if there would be some way to script this action so I could create a list of links or something to the applications, then just wait 10mins or so for them all to be downloaded and installed.
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AppBrain market is what I use... it'll save a list of your applications then it will chain link it through the Market when you need to A) reinstall or B) update.
This looks like what I need, thanks.
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I know I could use a program to back up my applications... but I am really against that kind of thing.
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Your against backups?
I believe in backing up things like contacts, only if they are stored in a very pure form free of errors... like how Android currently implements this with Gmail, it is great. I hated even getting the pim.vol file in Windows Mobile days, I know that within that file is tons of markup garbage, version-specific information, cached information, and even problems.
I do not like backing up programs at all. When I reformat a Windows install, it makes sense to not bring old programs over... they should be clean-installed from the latest version. I have translated this thinking over to my phone. The only benefit of a backup is saving time, eventually a problem will come of it I think.
So on my phone, I back up nothing. I flash the phone, it grabs the contacts and calendar fresh from Gmail, and then I reinstall all applications. I never question the cleanliness of it.
AndrewZorn said:
I believe in backing up things like contacts, only if they are stored in a very pure form free of errors... like how Android currently implements this with Gmail, it is great. I hated even getting the pim.vol file in Windows Mobile days, I know that within that file is tons of markup garbage, version-specific information, cached information, and even problems.
I do not like backing up programs at all. When I reformat a Windows install, it makes sense to not bring old programs over... they should be clean-installed from the latest version. I have translated this thinking over to my phone. The only benefit of a backup is saving time, eventually a problem will come of it I think.
So on my phone, I back up nothing. I flash the phone, it grabs the contacts and calendar fresh from Gmail, and then I reinstall all applications. I never question the cleanliness of it.
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I do the same exact thing... I always prefer installing the app from the market instead of from a backup.
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