with the chatter about the shift/knight coming out, and the evo-epic debate, had me wondering what the ideal phone for me would be....
4 inch screen(amoled or lcd is fine)
processor and gpu from the Galaxy S line
NO physical keyboard
NO 4G(to hopefully save $10 per month)
HTC Sense
android 2.2 or higher
would be nice but not necessary...
front facing camera
basically I'd like for HTC to manufacture a phone with the same specs as the Galaxy S series(minus the Epic's keyboard). I love the Evo, but it is a tad bit large and the 4G lag is a real headache.
What would your ideal Android phone be?
4.3" Screen
8MP Cam
1GHz processor
kickstand
Sense
HTC build
4G
Wait...
3.0ghz core2quad
32gb ram
2tb hdd
5" screen
26mp camera
15 year battery
Laser mini projector
wireless everything
transforms
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Oh you meant FEASIBLE (sorry, i had to)
i really do like the EVO, but i wouldn't mind the same footprint with updated specs. better processor, more storage, higher-def screen, better camera(not higher pixels, just better processing) better mics, USB host capabilities.
Anything labeled with the "i" brand. FTW!
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Despite what Sprint says, the $10 fee is not only for 4G. It's to pay for additional data usage that a faster phone (Evo, Epic) will access. I don't want to look for the Sprint page where I read that but I argued tirelessly with those guys (Sprint) and that's what they said.
Now, the specs:
Lose Sense (Shiny user interfaces are losing their shine) the ideal interface should be clean, borderless and focused on displaying information relevant to the user. I hate to say this but iPhone is closer to this than anything I've seen. Phandroids may hate iOS but it's well thought out--like it or not. When I first bought my Evo, my reaction, "wtf is this? Where's the Android UI that I can modify?". I bought it and ROMed it.
Battery life needs to be addressed in a serious way. Find a way to work in undervolting and cyclic use of Airplane mode to save battery life.
Camera, bring it back down to a max of 6mp and save the battery life. CMOS chips are just not there yet to capture that much data. Close, but not yet.
Everything else is fantastic.
SilverStone641 said:
3.0ghz core2quad
32gb ram
2tb hdd
5" screen
26mp camera
15 year battery
Laser mini projector
wireless everything
transforms
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Oh you meant FEASIBLE (sorry, i had to)
i really do like the EVO, but i wouldn't mind the same footprint with updated specs. better processor, more storage, higher-def screen, better camera(not higher pixels, just better processing) better mics, USB host capabilities.
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nice... LOL
45nm dual core 1 GHz Cortex-A9 CPU + Mali 400 GPU
The CPU would be energy efficient due to it's 45nm construction + speed. A single A9 core would outperform the EVO, two would just make it look low end. The GPU would be 8 to 20 times more powerful than the pitiful Adreno 200 in the EVO.
4" Super AMOLED WVGA Display
Makes the crappy display on the EVO look even more crappy. I like 4.3" but 4" is a nice pocket friendly compromise.
768 RAM + 8-16 GB of ROM
50% more RAM and a crap load more of internal storage.
A decent QUALITY front and back camera
I want quality, not marketing numbers.
Stock Android 2.3 with timely updates
...because waiting sucks; and so does Sense and other inconsistent, slow to update, ugly skins.
WiMax/LTE/HSPA+
...because I tether.
I guess I just described a Sprint Nexus S variant with WiMax. Come on Sprint, make it happen!
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Despite what Sprint says, the $10 fee is not only for 4G. It's to pay for additional data usage that a faster phone (Evo, Epic) will access. I don't want to look for the Sprint page where I read that but I argued tirelessly with those guys (Sprint) and that's what they said.
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Lets see them release a non-4G phone without the fee first.
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Lets see them release a non-4G phone without the fee first.
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either way, that definition is crap. i used more data with my HTC Mogul back in the day then i do NOW with the EVO. plus the 4g is so slow and spotty here in Dallas that i don't even bother turning it on.
My Ideal Phone: The Mozilla Seabird
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either way, that definition is crap. i used more data with my HTC Mogul back in the day then i do NOW with the EVO. plus the 4g is so slow and spotty here in Dallas that i don't even bother turning it on.
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spotty? slow? works fine for me. constant 5-10mbs
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My Ideal Phone: The Mozilla Seabird
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damn, forgot this one. I agree, this is a better plan
Same as EVO, but instead of the search capacitive button there would be a sandwich button that will somehow make a kick ass sandwich appear. A really good sandwich though. Not some generic sandwich.
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My Ideal Phone: The Mozilla Seabird
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THIS! How did I never see this thing before? Just looked it up... *nerdgasm*
Dual Quad Core 3.06Ghz, 8GB Ram, 10GB internal storage, 5inch screen. Oh and 10 hours of battery life with heavy use. Running CM6 nighties w/snap 7.6 turbo. 12MP camera front and rear.
(Shiny user interfaces are losing their shine) the ideal interface should be clean, borderless and focused on displaying information relevant to the user. I hate to say this but iPhone is closer to this than anything I've seen.
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You must be looking at some top secret, yet to be released iPhone because when I look at my sister's iPhone, all I see are apps. No relevant information there. In my opinion, Android is leaps and bounds beyond iOS in this regard. We get to CHOOSE what information is relevant to us and customize our home screens to show that information.
For all the crap I hear about Sense, ill never be able to go back to a phone without Smart Dialer.
Full UI output
USB host
Full BT stack
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For all the crap I hear about Sense, ill never be able to go back to a phone without Smart Dialer.
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That was the hardest thing for me to say goodbye to when I made the jump to MIUI. Thank god for DialerOne, though it still doesn't even compare.
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You must be looking at some top secret, yet to be released iPhone because when I look at my sister's iPhone, all I see are apps. No relevant information there. In my opinion, Android is leaps and bounds beyond iOS in this regard. We get to CHOOSE what information is relevant to us and customize our home screens to show that information.
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I didn't say that the iPhone displayed relevant the way widgets do. I simply meant that Sense could do better. Look at Warm TwoPointTwo ROM--Myn did exactly what I'm talking about--it's beautiful and still Sense UI. Android is not leaps and bounds in terms of design, that's why there are so many designers looking for ways to improve the interface and Google knows and fascilitates it. When I walk into an Apple store and place my Evo next to an iPhone--the iPhone always seems snappier, quicker and I'm able to get to information that I need faster. Look at it this way. ADW has a theme (or themes) that makes your Android phone look like an iOS phone is iPad but I don't see iOS users looking for ways to make their iPhones look like Android phones, just an observation.
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Anyone ditching there n1 for the new mytouch 4g? Would it be worth it to ditch the n1?
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Anyone ditching there n1 for the new mytouch 4g? Would it be worth it to ditch the n1?
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I don't even have an Nexus One and I don't think that's a good idea. I've seen the specs and I'm not that impressed.
No. Its all about personal preference, and I personally love my N1.
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No. Its all about personal preference, and I personally love my N1.
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* 1Ghz Snapdragon MSM8255
* Android 2.2
* 5MP Camera
* Front Facing Camera
* 3.8” display
* 8GB microSD
* Comes in 4 different colors: Black, White, Plum and Red
It's good but I mean the N1 has all that besides maybe the front camera and a 3.7" display instead of 3.8" display. But like he said...it's all preference
Don't forget the newest Snapdragon and GPU and the 768MB memory and 4GB of ROM.
I love my N1, but this is pretty solid. Though I'm clinging on to my N1 until the Gingerbread update to see what it's all about. Then, as soon as the source code is released, I'll sell the N1 at an all time high on eBay to the desperate souls wanting a taste of Gingerbread.
Then hopefully use the money to help buy a MT4G outright and wait a few weeks for CM's Gingerbread since the source would have been released.
This is all contingent on the assumption that the MT4g doesn't have the rooting issues that is plaguing the G2, DHD, etc..
Edit: Also don't forget about the very fast HSPA+ (the reason we're even calling it the -4G)
Kind of ironic that the codename is glacier even though it's such a fast phone in almost every right lol
Unless you want a front-facing camera (and who really absolutely needs that?...), there's absolutely zero reason to switch.
Same performance; almost the exact same screen-size...
But then you get a crappy OS layer
Not as open
No custom ROMs yet
Slower OS updates
Hassle of switching
The ONLY reason I'd switch is to get a 4.3" screen or 3.7-4.2" screen with a higher resolution (a la the retina display), and of course faster processor/GPU.
It bothers me that every carrier in the US has a 4.0 or 4.3" (native-)Android phone except for T-Mobile. (HD2 is not native Android.)
Not worth it...do yourself a favor and keep the N1 for now (till the new year when a lot of new devices hit the market).
Thanks for all of your input...i really didt want to switch unless the phone blew my N1 out of the water...and im also on att and were i live tmobile kinda sux...thanks again...
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Unless you want a front-facing camera (and who really absolutely needs that?...), there's absolutely zero reason to switch.
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Really? I like my N1 but wouldn't mind having a better processor, better touch sensor, more responsive screen, better antenna, more RAM and a front facing camera.
I don't think people are doing their research, I love my N1 but I had this bad boy since January. The myTouch 4g is not the same with just a ffc and a 3.8" screen, It's BETTER!
I don't know I had my nexus since launch haven't seen anything yet to come close
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I think my next phone will be 4inch, new internals and google experience. Second cam would be fun, but I could live without.
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I'd wait. There's bound to be a more powerful Android phone released for the holidays. Maybe a stock 1.5GHz device. Try to wait until Dec. That's what I'm doing even though I'm ready to throw this G1 in front of a moving car.
I am thinking I will get the MT4G. My N1 has terrible reception at work while my coworkers with tmo have better signals. My screen locks up and I have to remove the battery at least once a day. I am out of space on my phone. I don't have many apps but I am out of space.
The phone will be rooted before long and there will be a custom ROM so I am not too worried about the custom interface.
I'm growing so bored of my N1. I want to want every new phone that comes out, but there's always ONE thing about a device that comes out that is just retarded and breaks the deal. Evo 4G; no GSM, SGS phones; bad GPS and no stock, G2; No permanent root or custom ROMS, same with the Desire HD and apparently this phone. It's getting pretty depressing.
I even wanted to go w the new WP7 phones, but the OS is useless to me with no voice or multitasking or C&P. Even though I think it looks great and has potential I'll have to wait til V2.0.
I really want a WebOS experience, but there is nothing compelling about the current hardware.
Long story short, this year is bull****. If you got a smartphone in 2010, just keep it because every phone is basically the same or you'd be giving one thing up for another. I suggest waiting til the new year after CES with better phones with better screens, gpu's and OS's and hardware. No compromises.
I've been thinking about this too. Really there is nothing about the phone making it much better than my N1. Wifi calling would be nice since my signal at home sucks but otherwise there isn't much more it offers over my N1.
Sure it has more internal memory but I've been using a2ext since my G1 so no issues with running out of memory or apps. Cell reception on my G1 was MUCH better and as annoying at it is when my N1 can't hold a signal nearly as well it's not a reason to jump ship to a comparable phone hardware wise and no guarantee of better signal strength.
I have the MIUI ROM which is quite simply blazing fast, no other ROM has even come close to speed.
Once a phone with a larger and better screen with more internal space and a much better processor comes out I will dump my N1.
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I've been thinking about this too. Really there is nothing about the phone making it much better than my N1. Wifi calling would be nice since my signal at home sucks but otherwise there isn't much more it offers over my N1.
Sure it has more internal memory but I've been using a2ext since my G1 so no issues with running out of memory or apps. Cell reception on my G1 was MUCH better and as annoying at it is when my N1 can't hold a signal nearly as well it's not a reason to jump ship to a comparable phone hardware wise and no guarantee of better signal strength.
I have the MIUI ROM which is quite simply blazing fast, no other ROM has even come close to speed.
Once a phone with a larger and better screen with more internal space and a much better processor comes out I will dump my N1.
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It IS a better processor than our Nexus Ones! Why does everyone assume that just because it's clocked the same, it's the same processor? This is a second generation Snapdragon on a 45nm architecture with an Adreno 205 GPU. The processor SMOKES ours.
That being said, I'm holding out till January... I want to see what, if anything, happens with the rumored new developer phone.
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Unless you want a front-facing camera (and who really absolutely needs that?...), there's absolutely zero reason to switch.
Same performance; almost the exact same screen-size...
But then you get a crappy OS layer
Not as open
No custom ROMs yet
Slower OS updates
Hassle of switching
The ONLY reason I'd switch is to get a 4.3" screen or 3.7-4.2" screen with a higher resolution (a la the retina display), and of course faster processor/GPU.
It bothers me that every carrier in the US has a 4.0 or 4.3" (native-)Android phone except for T-Mobile. (HD2 is not native Android.)
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I agree!!!
It seems to me that you have to pay extra to tether and use your phone as a wifi hotspot. With the n1, you can do it for free for now I am staying with my n1.
I had to pick one up. Im going to hang on to my n1. so far I think its awesome. at work I have absolutely no signal so the wifi calling is a plus. aswell as being able to video chat with yahoo messenger.
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http://androidandme.com/2010/11/new...ped-new-dual-core-version-already-in-testing/
talks about tech crunches report on "serious hardware issues."
here's hoping!
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Dual core?
Now we're talking.
Hooray! Another thread on the same subject!
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Hooray! Another thread on the same subject!
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Chill.
The other thread is locked now.
But on the subject....I could live with this phone.
Make sure its HSPA+ compatable though !
According to tmonews, it only supports up to 7.2/5.76 HSPA (not plus, sorry).
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/11/nexus-s-specs-leaked/
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According to tmonews, it only supports up to 7.2/5.76 HSPA (not plus, sorry).
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/11/nexus-s-specs-leaked/
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looks like you missed the main topic of this thread... there's a new Nexus S in the works with a newer cpu.. supposedly the dual core Orion from samsung. You are still talking about the old specs on the single core CPU. Maybe the change to Orion the radios will change also.
And maybe also the Nexus S will be able to transform into a transmitting device that can place cellular connections with other people that are scattered throughout the United States of America for the provider cost that is paid monthly and also be able to look up various information on the world wide web and display a H on the top of the taskbar which people will still assume is stock on all phones!!!!
I agree the specs of the original Nexus S made me really sad. The original Nexus set the standards for the year to come. Phones are still coming out with the same specs as the N1 even now! So I expect a Dual Core Processor with 32 gig internal running Tmo 4g 10mega pixel camera capable of 1080p 4'3 or bigger display ....have I left anything else out?....oh yeah Angry Birds comes standard
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I agree the specs of the original Nexus S made me really sad. The original Nexus set the standards for the year to come. Phones are still coming out with the same specs as the N1 even now! So I expect a Dual Core Processor with 32 gig internal running Tmo 4g 10mega pixel camera capable of 1080p 4'3 or bigger display ....have I left anything else out?....oh yeah Angry Birds comes standard
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as long as its not 10mp of ****... id rather have 5 of quality than 10 of ****...
1080p recording is just obnoxious...
4.3inch screen is just obnoxious... if there is one thing samsung got right it was the 4inch screen
Nexus S - First Samsung Orion Smartphone?
http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/cell-phones/nexus-s/11523.html
By Sindre Lia, Friday 12 November 2010
The Nexus S is destined to become the first Samsung Orion smartphone, as in the first smartphone to make Hummingbird look old.
The Nexus One was a failure at all but one account: It brought new Android features to smartphone influencers and developers early throughout 2010. Having a star in your fleet of this kind is crucial, and nobody knows it better than Google. The days when you got straight answers from Google executives are long gone - they play ball like OS makers play ball now. We all get confused and then surprised. It's PR at its best and it makes smartphone influencers pay even more attention to what you're really up to.
The Nexus S by Samsung and Google will likely be the most powerful smartphone you've ever seen, as it'll likely be powered by the new Samsung Orion application processor. Its specs pretty much speaks for itself, and we guess the Nexus S will instantly be regarded as the new Android smartphone to be had amongst smartphone influencers and developers looking to get an early taste of new Android features throughout 2011 - and a lot should go wrong if they don't like it. Check out what the processor brings to the table here:
Designed using Samsung's 45 nanometer low-power process technology, Orion features a pair of 1GHz ARM Cortex A9 cores, each comes with a 32KB data cache and a 32KB instruction cache. Samsung also included a 1MB L2 cache to optimize CPU processing performance and provide fast context switching in a multi-tasking environment. In addition, the memory interface and bus architecture of Orion supports data intensive multimedia applications including full HD video playback and high speed 3D action games.
Samsung's new application processor incorporates a rich portfolio of advanced multimedia features implemented by hardware accelerators, such as video encoder/decoder that supports 30fps video playback and recording at 1080p full HD resolution. Using an enhanced graphics processing unit (GPU), the new processors are capable of delivering 5 times the 3D graphics performance over the previous processor generation from Samsung.
The Orion processor will let customers use different types of storage, including NAND flash, moviNAND, SSD or HDD providing both SATA, and eMMC interfaces. Customers can also choose their appropriate memory options including low power LPDDR2 or DDR3, which is commonly used for high performance. In addition, a GPS receiver baseband processor is embedded in the processor to seamlessly support location based services.
A mobile device using the Orion processor can simultaneously support two on-device display screens, while driving a third external display such as a TV or monitor, via an on-chip HDMI 1.3a interface.
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Damn that sounds awesome. SetCPU better get working on a dual CPU version
SO NICE DESIGN !
plastic....but, lighter, never get "over-hit",safer from falls....
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Meh.
It isnt too exciting really. The things I want are a better physical design, improved build quality, vastly better battery life, at least iPhone 4 camera quality, proper multitouch, wireless inductive charging, 5ghz N wifi, HSPA+, higher resolution screen etc
Having a dual core processor doesnt do a thing for those issues (except the higher res screen, and even there a dual 1ghz processor is way overkill).
I thought i'd throw my 2cents is as a newb to the phone. I have probably wrestled with keeping it or selling it more than anyone these past two weeks of owning it. (in fact I actually advertised it with all accessories for sale, like stuff I bought thats on its way..but I've been having second thoughts).
Ok. For one, I was in awe of the Galaxy S, even though i hadn't seen one powered on in person. (Plus the girl I like mentioned it when we were talking about my "new phone" and asked if it was a Galaxy )
In all seriousness though, the discussions that got me leaning to the N1 noted:
- Form factor, form factor, form factor. Whether I like the specs or not, I have to like the bling (dare i say), or form factor in general. This phone just fits sweet in the pocket.
- In the other Nexus S thread, guys mentioned how they came back to their N1 after the Galaxy, and one chap mentioned how he's had his N1 for a year and it has no scratches without babying it. (I know from other HTC plastic phones that this can happen, and it does save you money in the long run by not wanting to buy "fresher" fones after 6 months, just based on the looks factor).
- Touchscreen. Yes it may not be as responsive as the Galaxy S, but I can live with it. And the more I think about it, I don't want to relearn how to flash and root a new device, and how to apply all the fixes. (i seriously spent a full week learning stuff for the N1 and thats a lot of investment).
And more applicably to the Nexus S. The first thing that struck me when I looked at it was it looked too bulgy. I gotta like the way my phone looks man and I gotta say after two weeks of owning this it is timeless and slim. AND i'm not just saying this, because I have a buyer already waiting ..who i've been procrastinating turning down. NEway, later for that ;P (I'll help him find a nice one on ebay tho)
one thing i realized without thinking about it too, is there is brand loyalty involved too. I never really realized this before until I saw you guys' sigs, and looked back. i have been an htc fan and never really noticed it. now I know why.
peace out, and have a good night.
PS: be careful when SMSing tonight! TGIFers! heh! Use your Winmo device like I do ;P and heed the SMS Random Selection fairy! ;P
Oh and whoever said the N1 is not good at gaming, might be right BUT i was highly impressed by quake3demo on the nexus one the other night, and really: im not much of a gamer (on my phones).
I play psx emu on there all the time. Its sweet!
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I thought i'd throw my 2cents is as a newb to the phone. I have probably wrestled with keeping it or selling it more than anyone these past two weeks of owning it. (in fact I actually advertised it with all accessories for sale, like stuff I bought thats on its way..but I've been having second thoughts).
Ok. For one, I was in awe of the Galaxy S, even though i hadn't seen one powered on in person. (Plus the girl I like mentioned it when we were talking about my "new phone" and asked if it was a Galaxy )
In all seriousness though, the discussions that got me leaning to the N1 noted:
- Form factor, form factor, form factor. Whether I like the specs or not, I have to like the bling (dare i say), or form factor in general. This phone just fits sweet in the pocket.
- In the other Nexus S thread, guys mentioned how they came back to their N1 after the Galaxy, and one chap mentioned how he's had his N1 for a year and it has no scratches without babying it. (I know from other HTC plastic phones that this can happen, and it does save you money in the long run by not wanting to buy "fresher" fones after 6 months, just based on the looks factor).
- Touchscreen. Yes it may not be as responsive as the Galaxy S, but I can live with it. And the more I think about it, I don't want to relearn how to flash and root a new device, and how to apply all the fixes. (i seriously spent a full week learning stuff for the N1 and thats a lot of investment).
And more applicably to the Nexus S. The first thing that struck me when I looked at it was it looked too bulgy. I gotta like the way my phone looks man and I gotta say after two weeks of owning this it is timeless and slim. AND i'm not just saying this, because I have a buyer already waiting ..who i've been procrastinating turning down. NEway, later for that ;P (I'll help him find a nice one on ebay tho)
one thing i realized without thinking about it too, is there is brand loyalty involved too. I never really realized this before until I saw you guys' sigs, and looked back. i have been an htc fan and never really noticed it. now I know why.
peace out, and have a good night.
PS: be careful when SMSing tonight! TGIFers! heh! Use your Winmo device like I do ;P and heed the SMS Random Selection fairy! ;P
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Keep in mind that any software related issues with the galaxy series would be non existant on a samsung made nexus phone.
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Keep in mind that any software related issues with the galaxy series would be non existant on a samsung made nexus phone.
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Granted.
I would still wait, personally, for a nexus phone with the same form factor as this one. Too slim!
If it is really an orion cpu and can work on the same tzones/web2go plan then i would switch and give up the superior design of the nexus.
If it is licensed thru tmo, you will likely need a full data plan...
Afaik only the dev phones can pull this off as tmo has no record of the imei
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
I'm happy to say that I have no problem with sticking with my evo. The shift seems like the att airea to me - very degraded and outdated tech.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
I'm happy to say that I have no problem with sticking with my evo. The shift seems like the att airea to me - very degraded and outdated tech.
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I wouldn't get it but I also wouldn't call the CPU/GPU outdated. It's practically a given that it's just a rebranded Desire Z which is part of HTC's latest line of phones -- at least for now.
Award Tour said:
I wouldn't get it but I also wouldn't call the CPU/GPU outdated. It's practically a given that it's just a rebranded Desire Z which is part of HTC's latest line of phones -- at least for now.
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Hmm, well the latest specs that I read (about a week ago) said that it would have an 800mhz processor - endgadget says 5mp camera, no front-facing, ect. Not sure the front facing camera has every been used on my phone, but it's still cool to have, I guess; I was referring more to the outdate/price of it in my mind - Radio Shack said $150, so to me, it's outdated/slower/smaller than the EVO and costs more.
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Hmm, well the latest specs that I read (about a week ago) said that it would have an 800mhz processor - endgadget says 5mp camera, no front-facing, ect. Not sure the front facing camera has every been used on my phone, but it's still cool to have, I guess; I was referring more to the outdate/price of it in my mind - Radio Shack said $150, so to me, it's outdated/slower/smaller than the EVO and costs more.
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How is it slower? I agree that it's not a overall very appealing phone but how is it faster? It has a better CPU but more importantly it has a much better GPU.
This is the 2nd gen snapdragon and it overclocks like a motha! I been hearing 1.7 Ghz OC stable on G2's. I'm just turned off by the small screen and the keyboard. It's a shame really. I just hope the next evo has the looks of the Desire HD, but with better cpu/gpu.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/01/02/sprints-htc-evo-shift-4g-specs-leak-online/
looking much better???
Dan330 said:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/01/02/sprints-htc-evo-shift-4g-specs-leak-online/
looking much better???
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I am all over this if those specs are correct. I have been looking for a slide out keyboard smartphone running android. I know there is the Epic, but Samsung phones have a history of no support/sucking.
Currently got an Touch Pro 2, and just waiting for the perfect phone. The front facing camera is the make or break for me. I would like to have that, and if this phone ends up not having it then I won't get it. All the pictures seem to show a camera on the front by the top speaker bar, so I am hoping all the rumors that there is no FFC are wrong.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
Previous specs from androidpolice.com NOT correct (here is the box showing the 5MP camera, no ffc). It's the desire-z without the hinge. Still a better cpu/gpu than the evo, but...
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
I'm happy to say that I have no problem with sticking with my evo. The shift seems like the att airea to me - very degraded and outdated tech.
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What's funny is the Evo is actually about to be outdated tech. Hell, the CPU/GPU is the next generation of Snapdragon, so it is actually moving forward.
My girlfriend has an Evo, and i love it, but i like how this phone has the same resolution in a smaller screen.
I'm definitely getting one on launch day.
The internals are better in the Evo shift than the Evo.
Clock speed is irrelevant, much like clock speed on processors.
Don't even try to suggest that the i5s at 2.5 ghz are slower than the Pentium 4 3.0ghz.
My comment to the Evo shift is the fact that, while it is better than the Evo, it is 2010 technology.
By summer we are going to have 2011 technology.
Why would I not just wait 3 - 5 months and pay the same amount for much better?
I find it odd not one person has mentioned the landscape sense. That's usually a hit
I'm still unsure about this device. I love my EVO, and I love the G2, but the screen size on the Shift is just too small for me. Not to mention, the buttons at the bottom look laughably too big on the poor thing.
I guess it would be pretty nice to have the new CPU/GPU butttt I'm not sure. I'm pretty picky about keyboards so maybe I will know once I've played with one in person.
Alfred F. Jones said:
I'm still unsure about this device. I love my EVO, and I love the G2, but the screen size on the Shift is just too small for me. Not to mention, the buttons at the bottom look laughably too big on the poor thing.
I guess it would be pretty nice to have the new CPU/GPU butttt I'm not sure. I'm pretty picky about keyboards so maybe I will know once I've played with one in person.
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I would be surprised if there wasn't an Evo 2 to with dual-core processor released in the summer.
Good point; it doesn't have the new Sense either, which sucks!
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Well the phone is smaller but that D-pad does not make any sense... why include such thing on a device with a touchscreen. Even better would be to remove the D-pad to make space for some additional keys OR expand the current keys.
It looks 'toy-like' similar to the Epic.
I think I will wait for another device. Staying with the EVO until something else pops up.
mattykinsx said:
The internals are better in the Evo shift than the Evo.
Clock speed is irrelevant, much like clock speed on processors.
Don't even try to suggest that the i5s at 2.5 ghz are slower than the Pentium 4 3.0ghz.
My comment to the Evo shift is the fact that, while it is better than the Evo, it is 2010 technology.
By summer we are going to have 2011 technology.
Why would I not just wait 3 - 5 months and pay the same amount for much better?
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You hit the nail on the head. Right on all counts.
Second Gen Snapdragon kills it, but I'm waiting for the dual cores!!!
mattykinsx said:
The internals are better in the Evo shift than the Evo.
Clock speed is irrelevant, much like clock speed on processors.
Don't even try to suggest that the i5s at 2.5 ghz are slower than the Pentium 4 3.0ghz.
My comment to the Evo shift is the fact that, while it is better than the Evo, it is 2010 technology.
By summer we are going to have 2011 technology.
Why would I not just wait 3 - 5 months and pay the same amount for much better?
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firemedic1343 said:
You hit the nail on the head. Right on all counts.
Second Gen Snapdragon kills it, but I'm waiting for the dual cores!!!
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that is a great arguement/point..
but it has a great flaw as well!
wait 3-5 months... and reuse
wash, rinse, and repeat...
Hrshycro said:
Good point; it doesn't have the new Sense either, which sucks!
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that is exactly what i was gonna say, if it had the new sense then i would've thought about it. Plus it wont work with a powermat, i love my evo for that
fenixjn said:
Well the phone is smaller but that D-pad does not make any sense... why include such thing on a device with a touchscreen. Even better would be to remove the D-pad to make space for some additional keys OR expand the current keys.
It looks 'toy-like' similar to the Epic.
I think I will wait for another device. Staying with the EVO until something else pops up.
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My wife is completely gaga over this phone and being someone who got suckered by Samsung and my local sprint reps (When I was torn between the epic and the evo at epic launch, they all said 'hands down its the epic it'll have 2.2 in a few weeks'...heh) into buying a phone with a keyboard I wish I had gone the other way. Personally, I hate the blue tint of the phone, I despise the trackpad (who uses a trackpad anymore?), I could care less about the lack of FFC or the 5mp vs 8mp but in all honesty there needed to be a smaller alternative for people wanting high-end hardware on sprint without having to have a massive screen. Part of the reason my better half loves this phone is that she rarely carries a purse and if she got an Epic or an Evo she could not carry her phone in her pocket as she is used to and would then have to carry a bag for it.
Sprint just posted the fact sheet but no availability date.
http://newsroom.sprint.com/news/htc-evo-shift-4g-fact-sheet.htm
the fact sheet says it has the newest version of HTC Sense. There's no reason they wouldn't include it.
So the Evo 2 might be coming or not that's up to sprint and HTC to decide anyways, what are something that you would like in your Evo, the would be sweet to make it a better phone then what it is already?
I would like the retina display, of course for the Evo would be more resolution then the iPhone cause is a bigger screen , and also flash memory like the apple devices not for nothing but the speed things a lot
What are your suggestions ?
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Get rid of the gimmicky kickstand, and with that space install a larger battery.
Use a screen that can show millions of colors instead of just 65k.
That's it. Any software issues can be addressed with rooting+ROMS.
dedc said:
Get rid of the gimmicky kickstand, and with that space install a larger battery.
Use a screen that can show millions of colors instead of just 65k.
That's it. Any software issues can be addressed with rooting+ROMS.
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The 65k limitation was an Android limitation. 2.3 is supposed to be the first version that allows more than 65k colors. I believe it's been said the evo screen can handle 24bit color.
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The 65k limitation was an Android limitation. 2.3 is supposed to be the first version that allows more than 65k colors. I believe it's been said the evo screen can handle 24bit color.
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I heard that too
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An extended life battery that comes stock so the phone could easily be used all day and night on one charge. The sprint extended battery for the evo is acceptable. I really dislike the whole sd card mechanism. How about a spring loaded one like the epic? Last but not least, better radios. 3g, 4g, and wifi reception is worse than other top tier phones. Once again, the epic performs better in that category than the evo (in tests with myself and gf using each of the phones). I'm not saying epic is a better phone than the evo either. I'm saying the evo has room for improvement.
I'm not going to start ranting about samsung.....
I would like to see a better display, the latest hardware available like dual care and better GPU, and like the man above me stated an easy to access sdcard slot on the side of the phone instead of under the battery. Pretty annoying to have to power the phone down and remove the battery just to access the sdcard. Most Samsung phones have the sdcard in a side slot. Why can't HTC do this?
I love the kickstand i dont find it gimicky at all ... I dont know how many times ill be watching a UFC fight or sporting event and with out the kickstand it would be blah to have to sit and hold it there. Much easier to prop it on my work desk and just chill.
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I love the kickstand i dont find it gimicky at all ... I dont know how many times ill be watching a UFC fight or sporting event and with out the kickstand it would be blah to have to sit and hold it there. Much easier to prop it on my work desk and just chill.
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+1 I love the kickstand. Try playing snes games with a wii classic controller without a kickstand. You don't.
Its also nice for watching videos
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Improved Wi-Fi reception
Improved battery life
Faster processor and GPU
Android 2.3 without having to root and flash CM7
Also, +1 here for loving the kickstand.
Factory option for AOSP. I don't mind carriers and manufacturers to theme Android, but I think that allowing the phone to have AOSP on it should be REQUIRED and an option right out of the box.
Also, +1 for the kickstand love
i agree with the AOSP option although I just dont see it all that likely.
definitely an LED screen. not that it bothers me, but the droid x with the camera button and using the volume rocker as zoom, I think thats pretty innovative. maybe the camera not so exposed as well.
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i agree with the AOSP option although I just dont see it all that likely.
definitely an LED screen. not that it bothers me, but the droid x with the camera button and using the volume rocker as zoom, I think thats pretty innovative. maybe the camera not so exposed as well.
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Yeah, HTC made a HUGE design mistake by having the camera stick out like it does. Waaaaaay to easy to scratch.
Also, am I the only one who misses mini-USB over micro-USB? It seems micro-USB is more finicky, and the cables break easier.
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Factory option for AOSP. I don't mind carriers and manufacturers to theme Android, but I think that allowing the phone to have AOSP on it should be REQUIRED and an option right out of the box.
Also, +1 for the kickstand love
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The only problem with having AOSP as an option, is that it's only attractive to geeky types. The mass market can't handle choice. If they have to research a product for 10 extra minutes to figure out which option they'd like, the consumer will probably just pick the phone that chooses for them.
This is exactly why the iphone is so successful. People only have to decide how much memory they need (which is still a chore for a lot of users), and Apple does the rest.
I realize that choice is one of the main marketing points of Android, but like I said, too much choice drives people away. I think the current model is the best way to go. This way, the mass audience gets the easy setup, no hassle environment they want, and geeks can figure out how to customize it themselves.
SolsticeZero said:
Factory option for AOSP. I don't mind carriers and manufacturers to theme Android, but I think that allowing the phone to have AOSP on it should be REQUIRED and an option right out of the box.
Also, +1 for the kickstand love
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+ one fvcking million
EndlessDissent said:
The only problem with having AOSP as an option, is that it's only attractive to geeky types. The mass market can't handle choice. If they have to research a product for 10 extra minutes to figure out which option they'd like, the consumer will probably just pick the phone that chooses for them.
This is exactly why the iphone is so successful. People only have to decide how much memory they need (which is still a chore for a lot of users), and Apple does the rest.
I realize that choice is one of the main marketing points of Android, but like I said, too much choice drives people away. I think the current model is the best way to go. This way, the mass audience gets the easy setup, no hassle environment they want, and geeks can figure out how to customize it themselves.
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No one said it had to be default. HTC could have sense as the default, and if that was all you wanted, so be it. You'd never have to worry about vanilla. Adding an option to switch to vanilla buried somewhere in the menu IS NOT going to keep people away. Hell, who is even saying they would have to advertise it? Just put the option in there. For 90% of the population, nothing would change. For the other 10%, our experience would be much more satisfying.
I would like a dual core processor, more internal memory(i am just to damn cheap to buy a 32gb microsd card).
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No one said it had to be default. HTC could have sense as the default, and if that was all you wanted, so be it. You'd never have to worry about vanilla. Adding an option to switch to vanilla buried somewhere in the menu IS NOT going to keep people away. Hell, who is even saying they would have to advertise it? Just put the option in there. For 90% of the population, nothing would change. For the other 10%, our experience would be much more satisfying.
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Exactly my point
LOL
tejasrichard said:
+ one fvcking million
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I second that! And more memory won't hurt (like thunderbolt).
This on too!
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I would like a dual core processor, more internal memory(i am just to damn cheap to buy a 32gb microsd card).
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Dual core, which means it would need a better battery or else it dies out 2x faster with the stock (well sort of)
Dual core, as a HTC device that pretty much means the dual core 1.2 GHz Scorpion. I'd rather have the Tegra 2 since I have a feeling that battery life is better but not much HTC can do. GPU is bundled with this but
More RAM - 1GB. Not needed really but why not future proof it? Plus the newer GPUs reserve much more RAM anyway.
More internal Storage - 4-8GB. No more worrying about app space.
Higher resolution - 4.3" display but only WVGA resolution? Why? qHD at least. Throw in a SLCD, OLED is nice but HTC could probably only get their hands on the old bum-ish ones.
Better front and back camera - I'll take a VGA FFC and 5-8 MP if it means iPhone 4 or better clarity. I'm not going to do a large print from my phone any time soon anyway.
Bigger battery - 1800+ mAh. The Atrix did it, why not a 4.3" phone?
Sprint ID - I'd rather want bone stock Android but that's not happening. Sprint ID is basically stock Android with a slightly modified launcher. Throw Launcher Pro or any other Launcher and you're pretty close to or right at stock.
An smaller, more efficient WiMax radio. It exists so why not?
http://phandroid.com/2011/05/17/rumor-samsung-hercules-is-a-4-5-inch-dual-core-beast-for-t-mobile-but-it-isnt-a-galaxy-s-ii/
Samsung Hercules is a 4.5 Inch Dual-Core Beast for T-Mobile, But It Isn’t a Galaxy S II
NO MORE COMPLAINING ABOUT GETTING ANDROID UPDATE after Global SGSII because it is a different phone
+ 4.5-inch 480 x 800 Super AMOLED Plus display
+ Android 2.3 (Gingerbread)
+ NFC support, though compatibility with the forthcoming ISIS mobile payment standard is "to be determined"
+ Category 24 HSDPA (42Mbps) and Category 6 HSUPA (5.76Mbps) for extremely fast HSPA+ support -- faster than any HSPA+ phone currently sold in the US
+ AWS plus 850 / 1900MHz compatibility for support on AT&T’s "4G" network if the merger succeeds
+ Preliminary measurements place it at 5.16 x 2.76 x 0.37 inches -- within a few hundredths of an inch of the Infuse
+ 16GB internal ROM, 1GB internal RAM, external microSD up to 32GB
+ Here’s where it outdoes the Infuse: it’s quoted with a Qualcomm 1.2GHz dual-core APQ8060 application processor, which is extraordinarily unusual for a Samsung -- particularly considering the availability of Samsung’s own multi-core Exynos line; it’s paired with an MDM8220 modem processor
8 megapixel primary camera with flash and 1080p video capture, secondary front-facing camera
+ Like the Galaxy S II, the Hercules won’t have a dedicated HDMI port -- it’ll move high-def video over Micro USB using MHL
The hercules phone does look nice but Is there any definite answer that we arent getting the sg2???
Love it. Now it REALLY won't be compatible with the international Galaxy S II ROMs which are sure to come in the future! Brilliant! And why is the different processor listed as an "improvement?"
Aws :O
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Ready to Trade In your Vibrant for this BABY ??? T-Mobile got you covered
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-wants-you-them-paying-you-make-it-happen
Up to $300 in cash for your used phone . Assuming Vibrant is T-Mobile Flagship phone, we might get $300 in CASH. GREAT !!!
I just hope its audio capabilities is at least as good as the vibrant (voodoo sound or similar capable).
a bigger pos vibrant... No LED Notifications, ****ty processor, ****ty resolution SAMOLED screen... wtf
Looks pretty cool but i'm not sold on qualcom's cpu/gpu's yet. I'd want to see how the sensation performs in the real world before even considering this. Plus how good does 480x800 resolution look when stretched out to 4.5 inches?
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a bigger pos vibrant... No LED Notifications, ****ty processor, ****ty resolution SAMOLED screen... wtf
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The vibrant may be aging a little bit, but it's definitely no POS. Why all the hate?
Yeah I also think 4.5 inches with the SAME resolution as the 4.0 Vibrant is a BIT too big. If they are going with such screen size, at least try to double or 1.5x the pixel resolution. I think I'mma get an international SGS2 when prices settle a bit lower. I don't use 3G anyway.
so does anyone know the definite answer if we are getting a sg2 and this or no sg2??
subzerold said:
a bigger pos vibrant... No LED Notifications, ****ty processor, ****ty resolution SAMOLED screen... wtf
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Get a HTC for your LED Notification. Why complaining ??? It's your choice to get the Vibrant and the whole world knows it does not have LED Notification.
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Get a HTC for your LED Notification. Why complaining ??? It's your choice to get the Vibrant and the whole world knows it does not have LED Notification.
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Why complain that Samsung is releasing a "new" phone that's missing basic or "new" features? I haven't said anything against the vibrant maybe you need to reread. I'm content with my vibrant. Love the screen. Would love to have a 4.5 inch SAMOLED phone with a higher resolution to match, a notification led, working gps, dual core processors, 3D cameras, a metal frame, a kick stand, and a battery that doesn't die every 6 hours. This "new" phone is not it.
I'm for technological progress, not releasing "new" things with subpar attributes.
Super amoled plus .. not the same display as the vibrant ... same as the sg2 .. its dual core...
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subzerold said:
Why complain that Samsung is releasing a "new" phone that's missing basic or "new" features? I haven't said anything against the vibrant maybe you need to reread. I'm content with my vibrant. Love the screen. Would love to have a 4.5 inch SAMOLED phone with a higher resolution to match, a notification led, working gps, dual core processors, 3D cameras, a metal frame, a kick stand, and a battery that doesn't die every 6 hours. This "new" phone is not it.
I'm for technological progress, not releasing "new" things with subpar attributes.
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Congratulations. I hope you have fun with your ****ty EVO 3D which will match every single one of your requirements, including that ****ty battery life and a gimmick called 3D on a PHONE. And where have you been? The snapdragon mentioned is a dual core, just not a ARM A9. But then again, you'll be too lost in your ****ty battery life and constantly trying to find a charger to plug in your EVO 3d to even care.
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Congratulations. I hope you have fun with your ****ty EVO 3D which will match every single one of your requirements, including that ****ty battery life and a gimmick called 3D on a PHONE. And where have you been? The snapdragon mentioned is a dual core, just not a ARM A9. But then again, you'll be too lost in your ****ty battery life and constantly trying to find a charger to plug in your EVO 3d to even care.
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Retard i said nothing about a EVO 3D. I was describing what a new phone in 2011 should look like. And gimmick... just because you can't afford a 3D tv doesn't mean the rest of the world can't. EVO 3D's don't have SAMOLED screens either.
I didn't say the snapdragon wasn't a dual core either. Man you need to go back to grammar school so you can relearn how to read.
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Why complain that Samsung is releasing a "new" phone that's missing basic or "new" features? I haven't said anything against the vibrant maybe you need to reread. I'm content with my vibrant. Love the screen. Would love to have a 4.5 inch SAMOLED phone with a higher resolution to match, a notification led, working gps, dual core processors, 3D cameras, a metal frame, a kick stand, and a battery that doesn't die every 6 hours. This "new" phone is not it.
I'm for technological progress, not releasing "new" things with subpar attributes.
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Congratulations for reading your own post. If you rephrased it correctly, you could have stated "Along with the dual core processor and the 4.5 inch SAMOLED PLUS screen, I would prefer that Samsung incorporated a higher resolution (already did with SAMOLED Plus and the ridding of pentile), a notification LED, a better GPS, 3D cameras, and a metal frame and kickstand (both useless as they dent and add no useful function unless you can't hold your own device, while increasing the weight of the device).
And funny, as the specs you mentioned correspond almost directly to the EVO 3D.
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Retard i said nothing about a EVO 3D. I was describing what a new phone in 2011 should look like. And gimmick... just because you can't afford a 3D tv doesn't mean the rest of the world can't. EVO 3D's don't have SAMOLED screens either.
I didn't say the snapdragon wasn't a dual core either. Man you need to go back to grammar school so you can relearn how to read.
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Yes, in YOUR opinion. Not everyone wants a brick device in their pockets, or a 3D camera as opposed to the better Samsung 8 megapixel camera, and not everyone needs a 3D function that will only drain battery further and add price to the device.
And to your 3D comment, I find no use for 3D whatsoever. It only wastes your eyesight even faster than a normal screen. I would much prefer my 56 inch Samsung LED TV. Funny how you mention how I can't afford anything, as I live in Southlake, Texas, one of the cities in the U.S. with the highest incomes per capital.
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Yes, in YOUR opinion. Not everyone wants a brick device in their pockets, or a 3D camera as opposed to the better Samsung 8 megapixel camera, and not everyone needs a 3D function that will only drain battery further and add price to the device.
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Brick device? Where do you get that from. Why not have 2 Samsung 8 megapixel cameras? Why not have 2 Samsung 12 megapixel cameras with swapable lenses? How does having a 3D function deminish battery life? And add to the price? These are $600-700 phones, if these are TOP OF THE LINE phones **** price. I wouldn't buy a ferrari if i was afraid of the price, it's a ferrari.
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Brick device? Where do you get that from. Why not have 2 Samsung 8 megapixel cameras? Why not have 2 Samsung 12 megapixel cameras with swapable lenses? How does having a 3D function deminish battery life? And add to the price? These are $600-700 phones, if these are TOP OF THE LINE phones **** price. I wouldn't buy a ferrari if i was afraid of the price, it's a ferrari.
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Because metal would only add weight?
As for the camera, two would again only add size and weight.
3D would require the screen to use more power to display those gimmick 3D effects.
Manufacturers will continue to add those useless functions on a phone and increase the prices for those functions. My Vibrant was 500 off contract without tax, T-Mobile will only increase the price on these new phones with these useless functions. For example, the Droid Charge runs at 300 on contract as opposed to the normal 200.