I'm not sure if anyone else has experienced this "T-Mobile cap your bandwidth speed after 500mb on Unlimited Plan" but I feel their going to loose a few customers for this. How do other tmobile customers feel about this????
This defeat having an unlimited plan!!! I used 1.8gb of data over a three week period and T-Mobile cut my internet speed to lower than 200kb. This is Bullsh*t!!!
No i'm not making the numbers up, that's what the Tmo rep told me!!!!
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I'm not sure if anyone else has experienced this "T-Mobile cap your bandwidth speed after 500mb on Unlimited Plan" but I feel their going to loose a few customers for this. How do other tmobile customers feel about this????
This defeat having an unlimited plan!!! I used 1.8gb of data over a three week period and T-Mobile cut my internet speed to lower than 200kb. This is Bullsh*t!!!
No i'm not making the numbers up, that's what the Tmo rep told me!!!!
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It's not 500MB. It's 5GB. Big difference. Tmobile rep told you wrong and you shouldn't have been capped at 1.8GB. If they really capped it at 500MB it would make a smartphone worthless.
I found it a little ludicrous to but apparently they did cap it because I have decent signal and my internet it slow as hell. Oh yea they also sent me a message saying that i used to much data!!!!
Yeah it's 5GB, not MB...HUGE difference. Unless you are using the T-Zones hack...THEN it is indeed 500MB, and to which I say suck it up.
Then take your service to att where they will be very happy to charge you for using more than 2gb of data, but don't worry... It will be full speed!
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ME: I received a text message from customer care sating that :"Due to the amount of data you have used this billing cycle, your data speed will be slowed for the remainder of the cycle" I havent found anywhere in my contract that says i have a limit on the amount of data i can transfer before i hit some kind of penalty. I have an unlimited data useage plan...
~Marrianne W: You do have unlimited data on your account. What has happened it that due to the data you have used already during this month. When you try to access more data, it is just going to be slower, then it was at the beginning of the month.
~Marrianne W: Once your new bill cycle start, which is on the 20th of the month. It will be faster to download again.
ME: right, I'm not seeing anywhere in my contract that says my data speed will be slowed if i use over a certain amount of data
~Marrianne W: I do regret that you were not informed of this before.
ME: I am a databse developer and I am on the move all the time. part of the reason i got the phone and plan i did was so that i would be able to upload and download databases as needed while i am out of th eoffice
ME: what is this data useage limit that i am required to stay under to keep my connection speed?
ME: and where can i find this in my contract?
~Marrianne W: Once you reach 5GB then the speed slows down.
~Marrianne W: This is for everyone that has the data on their account.
ME: and there is no separate plan to remove this cap?
~Marrianne W: I do regret that there is now other data plan that is available to remove the cap.
~Marrianne W: All the unlimited data plan have a cap on them..
ME: so in actuality, you can download/upload as much as you want, as long as you dont break 5GB, then you are slowed to <60Kbps and you can barely browse the web...?
~Marrianne W: That is what happens. There are so many people using this. That we need to slow the downloads, for customer the customer that use it a lot.
~Marrianne W: I do apologize for any inconvience this may cause you.
ME: it would make far more sense to a) tell the customers this, and b) offer a separate plan for X $'s more to remove the cap. All that is happening now is that customers like myself that HAVE to use a mobile data connection now have to turn to an alternative provider.
Totally awesome I tell ya.
Dude, we have all known about this for at least a month, it's been talked to death. If you don't like it, then switch to another carrier, which all have caps at 2GB mind you, and they all also have MUCH more expensive unlimited plans.
I don't mind the 5gb cap. but I do mind the poor reception I been getting from T-mobile in Los Angeles.
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I'm not sure if anyone else has experienced this "T-Mobile cap your bandwidth speed after 500mb on Unlimited Plan" but I feel their going to loose a few customers for this. How do other tmobile customers feel about this????
This defeat having an unlimited plan!!! I used 1.8gb of data over a three week period and T-Mobile cut my internet speed to lower than 200kb. This is Bullsh*t!!!
No i'm not making the numbers up, that's what the Tmo rep told me!!!!
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Are you using your phone as a wireless router for internet service?
Ashasaur- i'm not using T-zones I'm on the unlimited plan, well the supposed to be unlimited bull plan.
djdanska- the point is they should inform me that the plan is limited before signing a 2 year contract for $30 dollars that they claim is unlimited. I would of preferred not paying anything at all than paying $30 a month for 2gb!!!! After 2gb the internet is useless if your paying for it!!
mechanix619- Sometimes but that is not the point I had less than 2gb for the month!!!
These phone providers are straight pimping their consumers. Plain and simple if they claim that the heavy users are bogging down their system well give us the rest of our damn money back, don't take our money if you can't commit.
I don't know about you all but 2gb of data is nothing for what our smartphones were meant for. The services alone on most of the applications we use stay running constantly. I might as well move to simple mobile where I get everything in one for $60 compared to $30 dollars extra for 2gb of data. Of course i'm expecting simple mobile internet to be slower but guess what I'm not paying for it.
Seriously, YOU STILL HAVE UNLIMITED DATA. Why don't you people understand this? T-Mobile has done NOTHING WRONG IN LIMITING YOUR SPEED. IF THEY CUT YOU OFF COMPLETELY BECAUSE YOU GO OVER THE CAP THEN YES THEY ARE IN THE WRONG. Unlimited data DOES NOT mean you will always recieve 3G speeds, it simply means that you have unlimited access to mobile internet service.
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Seriously, YOU STILL HAVE UNLIMITED DATA. Why don't you people understand this? T-Mobile has done NOTHING WRONG IN LIMITING YOUR SPEED. IF THEY CUT YOU OFF COMPLETELY BECAUSE YOU GO OVER THE CAP THEN YES THEY ARE IN THE WRONG. Unlimited data DOES NOT mean you will always recieve 3G speeds, it simply means that you have unlimited access to mobile internet service.
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Ok first of all they did do something wrong they cap my internet before 2gb. Secondly do you think it's worth paying $30 dollars for 2gb of data? Yes I do understand that the internet is not off but only the speed has been cut. But have you tried doing anything at 60kb?
Up to my darn Pandora software don't even run good on it, damn thing stop every second. I'm just saying wouldn't limited sound much better then unlimited?? The way they use unlimited is a lie because the internet is limited. Lets say even if you wanted to, do you know how long it will take to go over another 3gb going at 60kb? FOREVER!!!!
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.....ME: it would make far more sense to a) tell the customers this....
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Step 1: sign contract
Step 2: Use services
Step 3: get mad
Step 4: *****
Step 5: Read contract's fine print
Step 6: Feel sheepish
The data cap has been in your contract since the day you signed it.
I quote T-Mobiles Terms of Use:
We(T-Mobile) reserve the right to at any time limit a persons access to mobile internet services(TDMA, GPRS, EDGE, 3G, 4G) in accordance with their contract. These limits may include(s); Lower bandwith, lower overall data speeds, limited access at peak hours of service etc.
Seriously, go and read your contract and the TOS. It's all in there.
JCopernicus- can you please show me where in the contract I will be capped for going over 2gb please!!!! Have you notice I have not complained about 5gb? Another thing this is something new because I've had no issue in the past!!! So what ur saying is incorrect!!!
By the way how much is T-Mobile paying you???? Jus a joke lol!lol! Their still a thief 60kb are you for real!!!!! MetroPCS does better than this!!!!
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JCopernicus- can you please show me where in the contract I will be capped for going over 2gb please!!!! Have you notice I have not complained about 5gb? Another thing this is something new because I've had no issue in the past!!! So what ur saying is incorrect!!!
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It's in the contract, as posted above.
You haven't had an issue in the past because t-mo has always been crazy linient in regards to data services.
I can only assume their towers are getting gangraped between the HD7 and the 4G/G2 recently.
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Ok first of all they did do something wrong they cap my internet before 2gb. Secondly do you think it's worth paying $30 dollars for 2gb of data? Yes I do understand that the internet is not off but only the speed has been cut. But have you tried doing anything at 60kb?
Up to my darn Pandora software don't even run good on it, damn thing stop every second. I'm just saying wouldn't limited sound much better then unlimited?? The way they use unlimited is a lie because the internet is limited. Lets say even if you wanted to, do you know how long it will take to go over another 3gb going at 60kb? FOREVER!!!!
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If they cut you off at less than 2GB I would call Customer service and find out why when they have it published that you get throttled at 5GB. Escalate that **** up the chain of command if you have to. they shouldn't be capping you at 2GB. I would be pissed too.
I was sold unlimited access to the internet. That is how t-mobile explained it to me. Them slowing down my speed doesn't matter. I still have unlimited access to the internet. I have never heard t-mobile EVER mention having unlimited speed, and i've been with them since the voicestream days. They never made any guarantee of speed for your entire bill cycle. So, im going to still have to disagree on it being limited.
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Ashasaur- i'm not using T-zones I'm on the unlimited plan, well the supposed to be unlimited bull plan.
djdanska- the point is they should inform me that the plan is limited before signing a 2 year contract for $30 dollars that they claim is unlimited. I would of preferred not paying anything at all than paying $30 a month for 2gb!!!! After 2gb the internet is useless if your paying for it!!
mechanix619- Sometimes but that is not the point I had less than 2gb for the month!!!
These phone providers are straight pimping their consumers. Plain and simple if they claim that the heavy users are bogging down their system well give us the rest of our damn money back, don't take our money if you can't commit.
I don't know about you all but 2gb of data is nothing for what our smartphones were meant for. The services alone on most of the applications we use stay running constantly. I might as well move to simple mobile where I get everything in one for $60 compared to $30 dollars extra for 2gb of data. Of course i'm expecting simple mobile internet to be slower but guess what I'm not paying for it.
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While i don't like, but understand the speed limiting, i do think it may lead to more. If they can slow down my speed to whatever they limit it to, how hard would it be for them to have tiers, like how comcast does? Do you want 3 meg internet? 8 meg internet? 21 meg internet? Is that where this throttling thing may end up like? Different caps for different tiers? If i was talking about att, i would guarantee they would do it in a heartbeat, but would tmobile do something like that?
edit: I too was throttled today on my tmo dell mini netbook. Quick change of the apn and im back to full speed again! epc.tmobile.com can be throttled but apparently the old voicestream apn of internet2.voicestream.com doesn't yet. So, if your throttled, change your apn to internet2.voicestream.com and see if its better for you. If you do that on a phone and keep it that way, you will most likely need to mess with the mms settings because they are different with the internet2 apn. I could never get them to send with that apn.
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I think sprint's unlimited is at 6.4gb, not 5gb. If you go to sprint 'plan optimizer' and look at the top the line for unlimited is at 6400000kb.
https://manage.sprintpcs.com/Manage/myportal/MyUSC/PhoneAndPlanDetails/PlanOptimizer (don't know if that will take you there or not, sorry if it doesn't work)
Why do they say unlimited when unlimited is a finite number which can EASILY be hit?
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Why do they say unlimited when unlimited is a finite number which can EASILY be hit?
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not wanting to start a "BUT I PAID FOR UNLIMITED" thread, just seeing if i'm getting confused or we really do have 1.4gb extra.
unlimited
when i called in and asked about my unlimited data i was told "there is no cap". i asked a supervisor even with the same reply. im on the family 1500 anything anytime plan
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not wanting to start a "BUT I PAID FOR UNLIMITED" thread, just seeing if i'm getting confused or we really do have 1.4gb extra.
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I've easily used 6.4 gbs already and haven't been capped yet
If you have the EVO and are paying the $10 data charge, you get unlimited 3g and 4g.
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If you have the EVO and are paying the $10 data charge, you get unlimited 3g and 4g.
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So, time to torrent the Internet?
jigglywiggly said:
So, time to torrent the Internet?
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Doing it on 4G?
mrono said:
I think sprint's unlimited is at 6.4gb, not 5gb. If you go to sprint 'plan optimizer' and look at the top the line for unlimited is at 6400000kb.
https://manage.sprintpcs.com/Manage/myportal/MyUSC/PhoneAndPlanDetails/PlanOptimizer (don't know if that will take you there or not, sorry if it doesn't work)
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I'm 99% sure that the number is just there to give a top limit to the graph, not an actual representation of your "cap". If the top of the graph *were* unlimited...you would never get a graph as the line would be infinitely small at the bottom no matter how much data you used. Mine shows much less because I'm using less and to show it, it picks a number not too far off.
I'll bet you could use more and the top of the graph would increase.
Basically, yes, you have unlimited transfers on the Sprint network. You've pretty much always had no cap on any Sprint phone.
But yes, Sprint has the power to cut you off and/or limit your connection speeds if you go absolutely nuts with your bandwith.
So go crazy with your music listening. Torrenting however while tethered to a PC? That'll get you in trouble.
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Basically, yes, you have unlimited transfers on the Sprint network. You've pretty much always had no cap on any Sprint phone.
But yes, Sprint has the power to cut you off and/or limit your connection speeds if you go absolutely nuts with your bandwith.
So go crazy with your music listening. Torrenting however while tethered to a PC? That'll get you in trouble.
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This guy torrents regularly while technically (kinda) roaming.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696073
I'll just chime in and say that I am 99.99999% sure that there is no cap. I've had the 1500 family everything plan for quite a while and I use data like a MOFO, including tethering for my netbook... never seen anything about it in my bill. If there's a cap, who cares, cause I can't reach it anyway! LOL
Yep... data to the phone itself is 100% unlimited - unless it becomes detrimental to the network. But actual usage totals don't matter. The 5GB cap only affects modem cards, WiFi connect devices and phone as modem users.
everyone seems to agree, it's truly unlimited if you're paying the $10/mo charge that you had to agree to to get the evo. you can fully saturate your 3g/4g connection 24/7 all month and not be charged.
remember, "unlimited" will always be a finite amount in that there is only so much data that can be transmitted over a given connection speed within a set timeframe.
Got the following text message this morning:
Free T-Mobile msg: Your usage has reached the data threshold for your rate plan this month. Your speed has been reduced for the rest of this billing cycle.
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Sure enough, i'm now getting 96 kbs down / 105 kbs up.
I wasn't aware there was such a threshold on the Android unlimited data plan. I sure don't remember seeing that in the fine print.
Rather annoying that I didn't know this was coming.
I can't say anything about the fine print although I assume there would certainly be some information about the cap but I wish state or federal government would go after telco's who keep claiming unlimited while actually have a cap set.
It's not so bad in your case where I guess it is still unlimited, just throttled, but in Canada if we go over our "unlimited" amount we actually get charged per kb.
Now perhaps if Tmo said it is unlimited 3G data it could be even more frustrating.
Well how much data have you used?
That's a normal T-Mobile thing. Any of the other 3 carriers will shut you off and/or bill per KB.
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RogerPodacter said:
Well how much data have you used?
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This ^
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T-mobile has a fair usage clause. Basically unlimited means that you get to use what the "average" data usage is from all of tmo's data users. If you go over that, you still get data free but you get throttled. It is to help keep the network from being overloaded. Also Tmo doesn't charge you for tethering like every other carrier and I would assume that by getting that message you have been tethering all month.
I have used about 3gigs of data on Tmo and never had that issue come up. You must really be sucking down some data. Be thankful you are not on one of the other carriers. They would have hit you with a huge tethering bill and the associated data charges!
As far as I know the softcap is 5GB.
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wow. I checked my account with t-mobile and I had used a whopping 10 gb this month! (I usually average about 4 gb but for the last week I let a coworker with an iPhone 4 tether off my line, and between us, we were sucking up over 1/2 a gig a day.)
No more data for you iPhone dude.
On the bright side, my billing cycle ends in a couple of days.
Wow, I'm really happy to see 5GB is the softcap! I just hit 1GB and started getting really worried. All this tethering to my PS3 for Call of Duty is adding up lol.
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I use about 1GB a month...I'll never reach 5GB, but good to know I have some room to spare Definately, Tmob is the best for data compared to the other carriers.
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Got the following text message this morning:
Sure enough, i'm now getting 96 kbs down / 105 kbs up.
I wasn't aware there was such a threshold on the Android unlimited data plan. I sure don't remember seeing that in the fine print.
Rather annoying that I didn't know this was coming.
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YESSSSSSSSSS!!!! I LOVE T-Mobile for doing this to the ones that abuse the fair usage of the network! T-mobile made me a happy man today
I thought the cap was 10gb. If the OP used 10gb like he said, then it seems 10gb is the cap.
Why did the OP have an iphone tethered to him? Makes no sense!
The Android "plan" for T-Mobile has a 10GB softcap. Not the 5GB softcap.
The throttling is to 50kbps for the rest of the billing-cycle but it looks like there's a bit of give on the throttling.
Cheers,
Kermee
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Why did the OP have an iphone tethered to him? Makes no sense!
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Because the iphone has less bars in more places?
I don't get it. If there's a cap then it's not unlimited. If it's not unlimited why is T-Mobile allowed to advertise it as that?
Mokurex said:
I don't get it. If there's a cap then it's not unlimited. If it's not unlimited why is T-Mobile allowed to advertise it as that?
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unlimited data, not unlimited 3g/H as it turns out
I gave iPhone guy access so he could setup his new iphone4, also demo facetime and hd youtube (which he can't do over 3g). I suspect he abused the connection since my data usage more than tripled those days...
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I don't get it. If there's a cap then it's not unlimited. If it's not unlimited why is T-Mobile allowed to advertise it as that?
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It is still unlimited. Just throttled. 10 gigs is more than generous.
yeah it is unlimited but to keep network congestion down after you use a certain amount of data they slow you down. They don't charge you more though. The other carriers do a real nice tethering charge if you go over a certain amount, saying that you didn't pay to tether and you would never use that much data if you weren't. T-mo is awesome, believe it!
It could be worse. Some broadband providers are throttling users on their home accounts due to excessive bandwidth usage.
ok, so i work for tmobile and i spoke to the tmobile vice president yesterday when he came in for a visit, and yes its true, the 5 gig limit to data service will be applied, once you go over 5 gig you will be throttled down to edge connection until your following month and also tethering will now be available as a feature which will cost 15 dollars a month, this will all go official real soon, so everyone who has been tethering on the side, sorry
What do you mean by that last line?
Bbe1367 said:
also tethering will now be available as a feature which will cost 15 dollars a month, this will all go official real soon, so everyone who has been tethering on the side, sorry
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This is worse news for me by far. I tether only now-and-then, but I do use it, and I'd hate to have to pay extra for the few times I do...even though, yes, other carriers currently charge.
This sucks! Well they are a business so I understand them charging for tethering but changing the cap to 5gb is pointless since tethering requires 15 bucks a month extra...
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I wonder if this applies to nexus one owners. I have had tethering for months on my nexus one have never neared the data cap. Why would I start paying monthly for a feature that I can get for free on my nexus one or for a 1 time fee from the app market for my G2?
Pretty sure that when I signed up for service, I signed up for unlimited data and when I bought my phone, it advertised HSPA+ speeds. So if my phone can only do HSPA+ speeds for a while and T-Mobile wants to try to act like the internet is a depleteable resource. I will be returning my phone and cancelling all of my family's lines and finding a new carrier.
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and T-Mobile wants to try to act like the internet is a depleteable resource.
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Air interface bandwidth is [a limited resource].
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Pretty sure that when I signed up for service, I signed up for unlimited data and when I bought my phone, it advertised HSPA+ speeds. So if my phone can only do HSPA+ speeds for a while and T-Mobile wants to try to act like the internet is a depleteable resource. I will be returning my phone and cancelling all of my family's lines and finding a new carrier.
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Any of those carriers you switch to will have an even more expensive tethering fee. Best thing to do at this point is to root. I use my nexus when I want to wifi tether.
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Pretty sure that when I signed up for service, I signed up for unlimited data and when I bought my phone, it advertised HSPA+ speeds. So if my phone can only do HSPA+ speeds for a while and T-Mobile wants to try to act like the internet is a depleteable resource. I will be returning my phone and cancelling all of my family's lines and finding a new carrier.
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It sounds good and all but be sure to compare. Tmobile has a "fair" usage clause. They base what is fair usage on what the average data usage across the network is or something very similar to that. They never charge more for going over the cap, they just slow you down.
I'm guessing that they will make the tethering official and roll out the OTA at the same time.
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The majority of smartphone users likely don't crest 5GB usage. Those who do continue to have unlimited access at a slower speed. If this is unacceptable to them, they are free to terminate their accounts. As a moderate dataplan user, I'm perfectly fine with that, since in an unlimited scheme, moderate users are basically subsidizing the few outlier heavy users.
I was fine with the 5gb reduction too but charging another 15/month on the "unlimited data" plan to tether? 45/month seems excessive. Need some new perspective.
the cap is for web connect data plans, not for the unlimited plans connected to cell phones
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The majority of smartphone users likely don't crest 5GB usage. Those who do continue to have unlimited access at a slower speed. If this is unacceptable to them, they are free to terminate their accounts. As a moderate dataplan user, I'm perfectly fine with that, since in an unlimited scheme, moderate users are basically subsidizing the few outlier heavy users.
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You do realize that once there are no more heavy outliers, you become the heavy outlier. When T-Mobile lowers the cap again to below your data usage, I guarantee you'll be the first to complain.
What? Tethering won't be free? Sad face...
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How are they gonna block stuff like PDAnet from being used? heck Id rather pay for their full version than to pay a monthly fee for 2 years..
Iphone tethering is only 10$.. I dont beleive it til i see it. Im thinking it will be free but just capped at 5gb before they throttle to stop people from abusing it
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ok, so i work for tmobile and i spoke to the tmobile vice president yesterday when he came in for a visit, and yes its true, the 5 gig limit to data service will be applied, once you go over 5 gig you will be throttled down to edge connection until your following month and also tethering will now be available as a feature which will cost 15 dollars a month, this will all go official real soon, so everyone who has been tethering on the side, sorry
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are you saying the 5GB cap will apply to customers on contract (and grandfathered customers free of contract) as well as prepaid customers? - the way that news release is worded, it appears to only apply or refer to prepaid customers.
any clairification appreciated
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You do realize that once there are no more heavy outliers, you become the heavy outlier. When T-Mobile lowers the cap again to below your data usage, I guarantee you'll be the first to complain.
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There will always be heavy outliers in a chart of users (whether in 1990, 2010 or 2100). The important question is whether the bar is above or below the average. Realistically speaking the bulk of those exceeding 5GB are probably tethering (I don't actually agree that tethering should be separate from the phone access, but that's a different discussion), so with the $15 tethering fee it might move the curve back even further under 5GB.
Well, I just checked my month use on t-mobile's website and looks like i only used 1.7 GB for the whole month. Not bad since most of my heavy downloading is done through my residential internet connection anyways. I don't think that I'll ever reach 5GB..
I'm not worried.
Can they just knock us off from a 10gig soft cap to a 5gig? Isn't there a grandfather clause kinda thing?
Besides, how would they know if i tether using pdanet. My data usage doesn't reflect how its being used.
So this is what it's come to...
http://phandroid.com/2010/11/01/t-mobile-launches-200mb-data-plan-and-tethering-add-on/
15 dollar for the right to tether. Still 5gb cap!!!
More like 5gb crap!
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So this is what it's come to...
http://phandroid.com/2010/11/01/t-mobile-launches-200mb-data-plan-and-tethering-add-on/
15 dollar for the right to tether. Still 5gb cap!!!
More like 5gb crap!
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like anyone here is going to buy that tethering plan...lol a data plan is enough to pay for..just use it
You laugh...if they pull a sprint you hit 5gb you are tethering. You will pay. No tethering is in our contracts I believe.
They can do deep packet inspection from their network to detect tethering. Doesn't mean they will.
Even though TM has the 5GB cap, once a customer reaches the cap, TM has the option to throttle the speeds depending on the customer's past usage. But TM won't charge an overage fee like the other carriers.
I've thought about this after I saw the press release yesterday and was wondering if they weren't going to institute the soft cap for people that are buying the tethering. If that was the case, I may actually pay up and ditch my home internet or go to an economy plan just so my wife can surf. If they are still enforcing the cap for people buying the tethering plan, this is total crap.
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They can do deep packet inspection from their network to detect tethering. Doesn't mean they will.
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LOL. Trust me, unless a LOT has changed in the past 2 years.... deep packet inspection won't be happening any time soon.
For the most part, it is all cell phone companies can do to keep their sites working properly while slowly expanding service.
I'm not saying it won't ever happen... but we are still a few years from it making financial sense for them to dedicate resources to reading the user-agent on your http requests
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LOL. Trust me, unless a LOT has changed in the past 2 years.... deep packet inspection won't be happening any time soon.
For the most part, it is all cell phone companies can do to keep their sites working properly while slowly expanding service.
I'm not saying it won't ever happen... but we are still a few years from it making financial sense for them to dedicate resources to reading the user-agent on your http requests
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I find the trend towards cap + tethering fee quite offensive. A tethering fee with unlimited data makes some kind of sense, but when you're only getting 5GB regardless it seems horribly anti-consumer.
We can observe that, e.g., AT&T hasn't made an effort (at least, not a successful one) to crack down on tethering, and we can hope that the same is true for T-Mobile. But it doesn't change the fact that this is a horribly annoying move from a carrier that I used to think had the most pro-consumer policies in this country.
If it comes to it, I'll route through a VPN when tethering to avoid detection before I'll pay this fee.
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I find the trend towards cap + tethering fee quite offensive. A tethering fee with unlimited data makes some kind of sense, but when you're only getting 5GB regardless it seems horribly anti-consumer.
We can observe that, e.g., AT&T hasn't made an effort (at least, not a successful one) to crack down on tethering, and we can hope that the same is true for T-Mobile. But it doesn't change the fact that this is a horribly annoying move from a carrier that I used to think had the most pro-consumer policies in this country.
If it comes to it, I'll route through a VPN when tethering to avoid detection before I'll pay this fee.
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As has been stated MANY TIMES now, unlike other providers, all T-Mo will do if you hit the 5gb "cap" is slow the connection down, not cut you off or charge you up the wazoo, so it's not really capped
RobBull69 said:
I've thought about this after I saw the press release yesterday and was wondering if they weren't going to institute the soft cap for people that are buying the tethering. If that was the case, I may actually pay up and ditch my home internet or go to an economy plan just so my wife can surf. If they are still enforcing the cap for people buying the tethering plan, this is total crap.
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Your 5GB cap still applies while tethered. Download 100MB of slacker on your phone, then tether to your PC to download 100MB of porn, and you just used 200MB of your allotment (although you had an arguably fun time doing so).
That said, I don't see why a single person in this forum would be concerned. None of the rooted roms will have the tethering feature blocked anyways. So T-Mobile won't know the difference.
Oh, and for what it's worth, I hit 5GB a few days ago and will theoretically be capped for another few days.
You don't wanna get capped.
JeremyNT said:
I find the trend towards cap + tethering fee quite offensive. A tethering fee with unlimited data makes some kind of sense, but when you're only getting 5GB regardless it seems horribly anti-consumer.
We can observe that, e.g., AT&T hasn't made an effort (at least, not a successful one) to crack down on tethering, and we can hope that the same is true for T-Mobile. But it doesn't change the fact that this is a horribly annoying move from a carrier that I used to think had the most pro-consumer policies in this country.
If it comes to it, I'll route through a VPN when tethering to avoid detection before I'll pay this fee.
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I really despise the attitude that any additional charges automatically equals "anti-consumer". T-mobile is not anti-consumer. No corporation with individual customers is anti-consumer. These networks have every NEED and RIGHT to charge for data services, and charge in such a way encourages moderate consumption. If any single carrier implemented a 15$ unlimited data+tether plan, the flood of consumers would bring the network to it's knees.
In reality, a plan which encourages moderate consumption over vast over gorging on data is entirely "pro-consumer" according to your terms, because it increases the likelihood of stability of the network.
And last of all, T-mobile doesn't have a cap. It's a throttle point. It's not a cap. Furthermore, T-mobile doesn't charge for data over the "cap". Other networks do. It encourages moderate consumption, it protects itself from zealous consumers, and DOESN'T charge overrages and extra fees. That sound pretty darn pro-consumer to me.
I don't mind the tmo 5gb "cap", it's reasonable and I've never come close to it. I also don't try to use the cellular network for bittorrent and such. I do stream audio and video over it a fair bit though. IMO, the tethering fee is retarded. It shouldn't matter what device I use 5gb of data on, only THAT I use 5gb of data. That said, it's probably in part to pay for the support of idiots that can't figure out how to use it. Customer support is EXPENSIVE compared to network time. People here will just use our root apps and such to do it, and they will likely never know. DPI can tell, but encryption will remove that issue. VPN is easy enough to set up.
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In reality, a plan which encourages moderate consumption over vast over gorging on data is entirely "pro-consumer" according to your terms, because it increases the likelihood of stability of the network.
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But that's not what a tethering surcharge is, when you're already capped at 5GB.
Pay per use? Fine. Charge for tethering when a plan's unlimited (I mean, really unlimited)? Fine, I can see that. But to both impose a 5GB limit (and don't kid yourself, you do not want to be throttled to dialup speeds) and to charge for tethering is just an arbitrary fee.
Mobile providers are dumb pipes, and that's how they should bill. I don't mind if they bill me for how many geebees of data I use, but I do mind when they bill me based on how I use that data.
Oh, and I realize that T-Mobile could be worse. There's a reason I'm still with them. But that doesn't mean that they're good, or that this policy doesn't negatively impact my perception of their pricing structure.
Do they have the right to do it? Sure they do. But it's a tactic that counts as a negative for me personally, so I'm more likely to switch to another carrier in the future if one has a pricing structure that I'm more comfortable with.
They aren't charging for "how" as much as they're charging for convenience. Tetherable smartphones undercut data stick sales and monthly data stick fees that road warriers used to pay. The fees are their way to make up for that loss.
does t-mobile have a dial code to check monthly data usage? like #674# for text?
There are other news media reporting the same story, it will be interesting to see if AT&T will stick to their guns and continue throttling us. I realize there have been other threads discussing this topic but I felt this story deserves it's own thread.
AT&T is offering to discuss a settlement with an iPhone user who won a small-claims case that alleged the company was slowing down his "unlimited" data service
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I see them back in court soon, (them being AT&T).
Now they will throttle at 3GB which effectively renders the unlimited plan null and void and puts everyone with "unlimited" on the 3GB plan!
Nice to see the wee guy win for a change!
Eff phone companies. Greedy whores.
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It is kinda bullsh*t that those of us with unlimited plans do get throttled (Though i have yet to breach my limit... don't often use that much data when i'm out and about)... but i think it's even worse that phone service providers charge extra for tethering. If you ask me, any data plan should come with SOME data allowance for tethering.... say.... if you have the 3GB data plan, maybe allow somewhere around 1-2GB of data that's ONLY for tethering alongside that 3GB mobile data allowance. So you'd have 3GB to use on the go if you're doing stuff on your phone, but have that little extra to use if you're doing something more bandwidth intensive that the phone itself isn't capable of, and you're not near a WiFi connection.
If you ask me... that would probably be the perfect way to please their customers. Hell... it'd make me a little happy. Although... then again... i don't really have any mobile devices BUT my phone... so possibly not.
I hate to be throttled and I've been throttled every month since it started, but really I don't think "unlimited data" guarantees the data has to be a certain minimum speed (real slow downs from network congestion or manufactured through throttling).
I can't quite remember where I read it, but somewhere I read that AT&T promised unlimited, not necessarily fast. (Not a viable excuse, just thought it was a funny thought ) I do wonder however how many people will try to follow with this and how 'out of hand' it may get. I wonder what it will push AT&T to do.
mysticdrew said:
I hate to be throttled and I've been throttled every month since it started, but really I don't think "unlimited data" guarantees the data has to be a certain minimum speed (real slow downs from network congestion or manufactured through throttling).
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.... Generally... when you hear "Unlimited"... you don't think "Well, it'll become slower than hell if i go this far". That'd be like going to an all you can eat buffet, and they tell you that you can have all you want for the first 15 minutes you're there... but after that you have to wait 10 minutes in between each plate. At this point, there are only really two differences between the 3GB plan and the "Unlimited" plan. Those being that the unlimited plan doesn't get charged for going over 3GB but supposedly goes so ungodly slow after being throttled that it's hardly worth using.... and that the 3GB plan may be charged extra per GB... but at least they can probably use it without being throttled.
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I hate to be throttled and I've been throttled every month since it started, but really I don't think "unlimited data" guarantees the data has to be a certain minimum speed (real slow downs from network congestion or manufactured through throttling).
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The slowdown... makes a phone difficult to use for anything but calls, texts and some emails... .
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I see the point you are trying to make but if it is throttled to the point that it makes using the Internet pointless then it's really no longer a Data Plan.
I would be interested in seeing what information he provided to make his case. I've had an unlimited plan for a few years and this month was the 1st time I got a txt saying I was over 3gb of data. I guess I got thorrtled, but my radio seems to keep me slow the way it is
Actually, once I got the txt, I was a Tad faster.
Yeah it BULL , at&t took my unlimited data plan away cuz i tethered three times to send one email, so i escalated to and asistant call center manager that put it back, at&t is a bunch of deucshe bags, they no how to treat there loyal customers dont they if i could do something about this i would it pisses me off enough too. I WILL SAY THIS ... I NOW AM GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AT&T COMPLETELY, I WILL RIP THEM OFF AND TREAT THEM AS THEY HAVE TREATED ME AND THE REST OF YOU. YOU WANNA CAP MY DATA AND MAKE IT INSIGNIFICANT TO HAVE IT AT&T? HUH? WELL WATCH AS YOU PAY FOR MY DATA PLAN EVERY MONTH, I WILL HAVE MY REVENGE OR ILL JUST GET AN LTE PHONE AND COMPLAIN AND NEVER DO A THING THAT I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN THIS RIDICULOUS COMMENT> BUT IT SURE PISSES ME OFF
some links from that guy's research and other helpful info:
http://taporc.com/
http://www.getheroik.com/featured/h...aims-court-and-win-matthew-spaccarellis-docs/
also, quick question. for those of us who did the iPhone 2G workaround to get unlimited data... how would we go about showing contractual documentation of AT&T providing unlimited service?
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Maybe stop calling it an unlimited plan. That might go a long way to helping their case.